Guild Wars 2

conquest point zerging is bad enough without mesmers thrown into the mix. It’s simply way too much on the screen for most players to keep up with including myself and it renders the entire fight useless. i’ve got to the point of just throwing my arms up when this starts happening. how can i sustain damage on a single target that keeps moving, teleporting, going invisible, creating clones, and worst of all untargeting themselves…

longbow – single target damage. POINTLESS
shortbow – single target damage. POINTLESS
Axe – bounces multiple targets, kitten damage. POINTLESS
Greatsword – single target damage, slow. POINTLESS
Sword – single target damage. target dodges, goes invisible. POINTLESS
Entangle – Thief and Mesmers completely immune to my control. POINTLESS
Pet. POINTLESS

Berry Pun Pup.6904:

A big sign the size of your house in flashing neon lights:

L2P…L2P…L2P

Post of the week

Remove necros, Remove rangers, remove mesmers….

If you start removing classes whats the point?

Learn to play. Thats all there is too it.

Have a bucket of protips:
You don’t actually have to kill the clones. Just dodge when they all run at you.
Phantasms look like ghosts. You may or may not want to kill them, but that’s easy.
The real mesmer is the one who actually moves like a human player.
Sic ‘Em is a pretty good skill.
Entangle is a pretty good skill, even if it doesn’t seem that way to you right now.
Have you tried, like, just Rapid-Shotting the mesmer?

You should play mesmer

I would really like to know if OP actually has a Mesmer amongst his Characters…

pdavis.8031:

Remove necros, Remove rangers, remove mesmers….

If you start removing classes whats the point?

Learn to play. Thats all there is too it.

necros are fine.. rangers are fine. warriors, guardians, even eles. i had good fights against all these classes. Everyone complains about turret engies but seriously i never called bullkitten on an engineer that beat me. stop hating engineers and start hating mesmers because this spam class is a nuisance through and through for anybody.. a fun class idea turned inconvenient and frustrating. visual effects that fill up your entire screen for example..

phirefox.2568:

I would really like to know if OP actually has a Mesmer amongst his Characters…

no only real, fair, balanced classes. warrior, guardian, ranger, engineer..

Maybe you can join party with this guy? He probably knows how to beat mesmer

Drakortha.6974:

no only real, fair, balanced classes. warrior, guardian, ranger, engineer..

Please create yourself an “unfair” Mesmer and get yourself a Shatterbuild. We can search ourselves an empty server, then you can pit your Mesmer against my LB Pew Pew Ranger. I Gurantee you that you willl lose every single duel

phirefox.2568:

Drakortha.6974:

no only real, fair, balanced classes. warrior, guardian, ranger, engineer..

Please create yourself an “unfair” Mesmer and get yourself a Shatterbuild. We can search ourselves an empty server, then you can pit your Mesmer against my LB Pew Pew Ranger. I Gurantee you that you willl lose every single duel

no i don’t wear womens clothing, thank you..

Here, look:
Target drops due to stealth.
Count to three.
Click on the new one that appears. Or tab through until you see the one that has any boons on it, or the one who actually moves laterally or dodges or whatever. (Yeah, yeah, it’s sometimes annoying, I know. Welcome to GW2. They’re not gonna change this because there’s an entire profession designed around it.)
Burst.

Or just use Sic ‘Em and burst while they’re revealed.

“How can I sustain damage?” You don’t need to. Your opponent is made of paper and a single Rapid Shot burns like half their health!

Some pro tips 4 u op:
if there’s a purple bubble over you don’t rapid fire
target the one with boons (and maybe signets)
if all the clones run at you dodge
use entangle with krait runes on a condi build, the mesmer will have a bad time
bring stability and/or sig of stone
read my earlier post in this thread.

edit: I forgot condi mesmers, if its a condi mesmer lol

thank you. (15 letters)

o_O
I rarely have any issues with Mesmer with any class i play
Ranger → Sic ’Em → Great Sword Hilt Bash → Rapid Fire → Stomp
Necromancer →bunch of marks → If you use minions blow them up → Stomp
Thief → Basilisk Venom → Steal for Consume Plasma → Kill → Stomp
Guardian → Ring of Warding → Dps down → Stomp

Wow. Someone calling mesmers OP cuz they cant find the real one. Are we in beta weekend 1 again? O.o

Drakortha.6974:

no only real, fair, balanced classes. warrior, guardian, ranger, engineer..

lmao. Real fair and balanced. Sounds like Fox News with about just as much perspective.

On a simple matter of mechanics, Memser’s have been as off putting to play against or more so than Thieves. Both thieves and Mesmer’s should not have the burst capacity they have. Not with the gimmicky mechanics the professions possess. It should be a trade off of one of the other, not both. In a PvP setting, I’d much rather have a straight up fighting.

Here’s my motto in PvP….
Anything else is cowardly.

DeWolfe.2174:

On a simple matter of mechanics, Memser’s have been as off putting to play against or more so than Thieves. Both thieves and Mesmer’s should not have the burst capacity they have. Not with the gimmicky mechanics the professions possess. It should be a trade off of one of the other, not both. In a PvP setting, I’d much rather have a straight up fighting.

Here’s my motto in PvP….
Anything else is cowardly.

And I like to fight with underhanded tactics, unfair stealth, and listen to the screaming rage while I snicker and run away. That’s why I play mesmer and thief.

To each their own. x.x

DeWolfe.2174:

On a simple matter of mechanics, Memser’s have been as off putting to play against or more so than Thieves. Both thieves and Mesmer’s should not have the burst capacity they have. Not with the gimmicky mechanics the professions possess. It should be a trade off of one of the other, not both. In a PvP setting, I’d much rather have a straight up fighting.

Here’s my motto in PvP….
Anything else is cowardly.

Rangers have stealth and immunities, eles have stab tons of healing and immunities, warriors have tons of condi clear, health and armor.

All of these are gimmicky and unfun to fight against. Seriously tho the higher you get in pvp the easier thieves and even more so mesmers become to deal with. Here’s a little insight for u too. Mesmers have not been on a winning team for any major tournament in over a year. So how OP are they really?

Drakortha.6974:

pdavis.8031:

Remove necros, Remove rangers, remove mesmers….

If you start removing classes whats the point?

Learn to play. Thats all there is too it.

necros are fine.. rangers are fine. warriors, guardians, even eles. i had good fights against all these classes. Everyone complains about turret engies but seriously i never called bullkitten on an engineer that beat me. stop hating engineers and start hating mesmers because this spam class is a nuisance through and through for anybody.. a fun class idea turned inconvenient and frustrating. visual effects that fill up your entire screen for example..

I was referring to the various threads where people are asking for X profession to be removed because “It’s too hard” or whatever.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Please-just-remove-necro-from-the-game/page/3#post4918551

This is the most recent one. But I know I’ve see remove X profession threads at least once.

In the end though, it’s really about learning to counter them. To find the real one, look for the one with signets, or the one that is dodging or moving out of AoE. Once you figure it out, it’s not that complicated.
But they shouldn’t remove a particular class because its difficult to fight. Even with all the visual effects (i.e. clones, phantoms, etc.).

Mesmer isn’t more braindead broken than Turret Engi for example. But still a very braindead easy class to play.

Be careful with what you Mesmer mains want nerfed

P.S Maybe stop playing victim saying your class is UP. It’s easy to play atm and buffing it will screw balance.

Amir.1570:

Mesmer isn’t more braindead broken than Turret Engi, Guard, or Ranger. But still a very braindead easy class to play.

Be careful with what you Mesmer mains want nerfed

P.S Maybe stop playing victim saying your class is UP. It’s easy to play atm and buffing it will screw balance.

At the Scrubcake level sure mesmer is easy to play. But at the Scrubcake level there are a bunch of PU mesmers, and condi mesmers. Of course you are gonna hate fighting these guys, but the bigger the fight and the higher up they go in skill. The less useful they become.

History lesson kids:
Mesmer is the ONLY class in the game that has only had one competitive build for use in tournaments since release.

pdavis.8031:

Drakortha.6974:

pdavis.8031:

Remove necros, Remove rangers, remove mesmers….

If you start removing classes whats the point?

Learn to play. Thats all there is too it.

necros are fine.. rangers are fine. warriors, guardians, even eles. i had good fights against all these classes. Everyone complains about turret engies but seriously i never called bullkitten on an engineer that beat me. stop hating engineers and start hating mesmers because this spam class is a nuisance through and through for anybody.. a fun class idea turned inconvenient and frustrating. visual effects that fill up your entire screen for example..

I was referring to the various threads where people are asking for X profession to be removed because “It’s too hard” or whatever.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Please-just-remove-necro-from-the-game/page/3#post4918551

This is the most recent one. But I know I’ve see remove X profession threads at least once.

In the end though, it’s really about learning to counter them. To find the real one, look for the one with signets, or the one that is dodging or moving out of AoE. Once you figure it out, it’s not that complicated.
But they shouldn’t remove a particular class because its difficult to fight. Even with all the visual effects (i.e. clones, phantoms, etc.).

If you look, the “please remove necros” thread was actually from a Necro player’s perspective. Not the best representation of your point.

Your point is still fair, though.

Maybe you should point less fingers and start asking for help. Aw yeah~

Sorry bro, but it totally l2p issue.
Seems you started pvp recently. Read and use tips above to deal with mesmers. With experience you will distinguish real one subconsciously. Most time consuming task would be mouse movement (or tabbing) to mark mesmer, but not search real one.

jportell.2197:

Wow. Someone calling mesmers OP cuz they cant find the real one. Are we in beta weekend 1 again? O.o

That’s a good sign actually! It means we have some fresh blood in pvp.

Sorel.4870:

jportell.2197:

Wow. Someone calling mesmers OP cuz they cant find the real one. Are we in beta weekend 1 again? O.o

That’s a good sign actually! It means we have some fresh blood in pvp.

That’s actually an interesting way to look at it.

@OP….nm, not even gonna.

Sitting at 1500 range doing massive attacks while your pet knocks people down and applies conditions is such a hard life isn’t?

Please remove the classes and builds that directly counter mine.

Fay.2357:

Sorel.4870:

jportell.2197:

Wow. Someone calling mesmers OP cuz they cant find the real one. Are we in beta weekend 1 again? O.o

That’s a good sign actually! It means we have some fresh blood in pvp.

That’s actually an interesting way to look at it.

@OP….nm, not even gonna.

An interestijg way to look at it. I just hope no more of these posts show up or anet will do something like put a 10s icd on deceptive evasion lol.

Seriously, though, Sic ‘Em is a pretty good skill and it absolutely SHREDS stealth users if you wait a bit to make sure they’re low on dodges / poorly positioned.

Also the pet buff is pretty significant so it’s not a total waste even if your don’t face people you want Revealed.

jportell.2197:

Fay.2357:

Sorel.4870:

jportell.2197:

Wow. Someone calling mesmers OP cuz they cant find the real one. Are we in beta weekend 1 again? O.o

That’s a good sign actually! It means we have some fresh blood in pvp.

That’s actually an interesting way to look at it.

@OP….nm, not even gonna.

An interestijg way to look at it. I just hope no more of these posts show up or anet will do something like put a 10s icd on deceptive evasion lol.

Well, I do hope Anet doesn’t take balancing advice coming from the forums too seriously.

ASP.8093:

Seriously, though, Sic ‘Em is a pretty good skill and it absolutely SHREDS stealth users if you wait a bit to make sure they’re low on dodges / poorly positioned.

Also the pet buff is pretty significant so it’s not a total waste even if your don’t face people you want Revealed.

wasting a skill slot simply to stop invisibility for 6 seconds? seems like a waste, when you ask me to build my character based on a broken, unfair class i occasionally encounter. My main problem doesn’t lie with invisibility itself but the untargeting it does. The big advantage THEY have, is they have the luxury of keeping me targeted throughout an entire fight. Meanwhile im spending half the fight retargetting them over and over again, before i can even do a shred of damage…. it’s a complete waste of my time and skills and they are only winning those fights because im wasting half my skills on air (thanks 400 ping and 1 second delay on skills).

so to them it’s like: doing damage > doing damage > doing damage > doing damage >
for me it’s: doing damage > retarget > doing damage > retarget > doing damage…

get it? it’s too slow, it feels like a huge chore, every time. He’s probably slowing my attack rate by 50% and all he is doing is activating a few skills. oh, but i get 6 seconds of sic em. please..

it’s got to the point where as soon as I see “mesmer” above their heads i turn around and go the other direction.. hope to find a more interesting fight on another cap.

Here’s my solution Anet; When I target my enemy at the beginning of a fight, please KEEP them targeted. I should be focusing my attention on my skills and the combat, not the UI.. these fights feel more like im fighting the game rather than the player. That to me screams BROKEN. Shame on you if you’re playing it.

Drakortha.6974:

ASP.8093:

Seriously, though, Sic ‘Em is a pretty good skill and it absolutely SHREDS stealth users if you wait a bit to make sure they’re low on dodges / poorly positioned.

Also the pet buff is pretty significant so it’s not a total waste even if your don’t face people you want Revealed.

wasting a skill slot simply to stop invisibility for 6 seconds? seems like a waste, when you ask me to build my character based on a broken, unfair class i occasionally encounter. My main problem doesn’t lie with invisibility itself but the untargeting it does. The big advantage THEY have, is they have the luxury of keeping me targeted throughout an entire fight. Meanwhile im spending half the fight retargetting them over and over again, before i can even do a shred of damage…. it’s a complete waste of my time and skills and they are only winning those fights because im wasting half my skills on air (thanks 400 ping and 1 second delay on skills). it’s got to the point where as soon as I see “mesmer” above their heads i turn around and go the other direction.. hope to find a more interesting fight on another cap.

Here’s my solution Anet; When I target my enemy at the beginning of a fight, please KEEP them targeted. I should be focusing my attention on my skills and the combat, not the UI.. seriously, these fights feel more like im fighting the game rather than the player. That to me screams BROKEN. Shame on you if you’re playing it.

Rapid fire already tracks them through stealth duder. Also if you could always keep target through stealth that would kinda defeat the whole point.

Berry Pun Pup.6904:

Drakortha.6974:

ASP.8093:

Seriously, though, Sic ‘Em is a pretty good skill and it absolutely SHREDS stealth users if you wait a bit to make sure they’re low on dodges / poorly positioned.

Also the pet buff is pretty significant so it’s not a total waste even if your don’t face people you want Revealed.

wasting a skill slot simply to stop invisibility for 6 seconds? seems like a waste, when you ask me to build my character based on a broken, unfair class i occasionally encounter. My main problem doesn’t lie with invisibility itself but the untargeting it does. The big advantage THEY have, is they have the luxury of keeping me targeted throughout an entire fight. Meanwhile im spending half the fight retargetting them over and over again, before i can even do a shred of damage…. it’s a complete waste of my time and skills and they are only winning those fights because im wasting half my skills on air (thanks 400 ping and 1 second delay on skills). it’s got to the point where as soon as I see “mesmer” above their heads i turn around and go the other direction.. hope to find a more interesting fight on another cap.

Here’s my solution Anet; When I target my enemy at the beginning of a fight, please KEEP them targeted. I should be focusing my attention on my skills and the combat, not the UI.. seriously, these fights feel more like im fighting the game rather than the player. That to me screams BROKEN. Shame on you if you’re playing it.

Rapid fire already tracks them through stealth duder. Also if you could always keep target through stealth that would kinda defeat the whole point.

Then it’s a flawed system and probably needs to be reworked from the ground up to start with. Remember stealth in Halo? it was more like a camo, not like this pseudo invisibility hack. The entire style of it (complete vanishing, no tells, no signs) feels like a 4th wall trick.

And you say if i could keep target through stealth, then what is the point of stealth? well, for one, they completely avoid damage. That’s a pretty powerful thing to have and it’s already abused to no end (finishing, rezzing, escaping, etc). The untargeting is just adding more insult to injury..

Really hoping they make some kind of change to this system to restore some fairness to these encounters.

Drakortha.6974:

Then it’s a flawed system and probably needs to be reworked from the ground up to start with. Remember stealth in Halo? it was more like a camo, not like this pseudo invisibility hack. The entire style of it (complete vanishing, no tells, no signs) feels like a 4th wall trick.

And you say if i could keep target through stealth, then what is the point of stealth? well, for one, they completely avoid damage. That’s a pretty powerful thing to have and it’s abused already to no end. The untargeting is just adding more insult to injury..

Really, REALLY hoping they make some kind of change to this system to restore some fairness to these encounters.

Berry Pun Pup.6904:

A big sign the size of your house in flashing neon lights:

L2P…L2P…L2P

Seriously this is not an issue outside of the lowest tiers lol.

Berry Pun Pup.6904:

Drakortha.6974:

Then it’s a flawed system and probably needs to be reworked from the ground up to start with. Remember stealth in Halo? it was more like a camo, not like this pseudo invisibility hack. The entire style of it (complete vanishing, no tells, no signs) feels like a 4th wall trick.

And you say if i could keep target through stealth, then what is the point of stealth? well, for one, they completely avoid damage. That’s a pretty powerful thing to have and it’s abused already to no end. The untargeting is just adding more insult to injury..

Really, REALLY hoping they make some kind of change to this system to restore some fairness to these encounters.

Berry Pun Pup.6904:

A big sign the size of your house in flashing neon lights:

L2P…L2P…L2P

Seriously this is not an issue outside of the lowest tiers lol.

If L2P is the best argument you can come up with I don’t know why i bother responding to you.

And you say “lowest tiers”, like it doesnt even matter. But what you fail to realize is 99% of the pvp player-base is low tier. So you’re effectively telling me, “oh, this only effects most of the playerbase so it doesn’t matter.”

Maybe invisibility should require a channeling animation. I would call that a lot more fair and is less likely to be abused mid fight. Could even interrupt it.. just give us something so we can counter it.. not “Sic em”, which at best was a lazy attempt at creating a counter to invisiblity.

i’m not going to explain to you how to fight a mesmer, it should be simple enough. just about any build you can come up with on a ranger will shut down a mesmer, regardless of their personal skill. however, i would like to point some things out(speaking as a ranger main):

Drakortha.6974:

longbow – single target damage. POINTLESS

longbows are literally anti-mesmer: you can hit outside of their maximum range, rapid fire tracks through stealth, barrage slows their already low mobility and breaks their illusions, and it has insanely high burst that totally punishes mesmers literallyno sustain.

shortbow – single target damage. POINTLESS

shortbows, being a condition weapon(and having an on-demand evade, interrupt, and poison) is very anti-mesmer. sure, you’re in their attack range with a shortbow, but they can’t cleanse the constant bleeds

Axe – bounces multiple targets, kitten damage. POINTLESS

except the might that it applies, the chill and bleed shotgun, etc. it should be noted that basically every mesmer doesn’t take any condition cleanse, a mainhand axe can and will cripple them

Greatsword – single target damage, slow. POINTLESS

2/5 skills are single target, the rest cleave. maul in particular will 1 shot any illusion

Sword – single target damage. target dodges, goes invisible. POINTLESS

sword’s autoattack cleaves and sticks to its target, has 2 evades, and a poison that EVERY CLASS EVER WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, literally our best melee weapon

Entangle – Thief and Mesmers completely immune to my control. POINTLESS

since when are either of these classes immune to control? are you confusing mesmers and thiefs for guardians and warriors?

Pet. POINTLESS

sic ‘em, knockdowns, fears, chills.. i know it has a hard time chasing running targets, but it’s far from useless

I would say most of the playerbase figures “Oh, they can do something I can’t because they’re playing a different class than I am. I probably have things I can do that they can’t. Maybe I can use those to beat them?”

Sure, things can be difficult for them, but I would venture a guess that most players can figure out that there are things they can do to improve PvP matchups outside of screaming for their enemies to just be deleted.

Plzzz listen to Drakortha.6974. He makes a valid point & total sens. Mesmers are so confusing it’s hard to know wich to hit. I know i know, They bin super nerf multiple times for the last 3 years but it’s not anoth. They need to be re-nerfed & after that..nerfed again. Till there spam no more clone burst. Infact they should not even spam at all. they should be spamless. I’m serious!

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

I would venture a guess that most players can figure out that there are things they can do to improve PvP matchups outside of screaming for their enemies to just be deleted.

I think the enemy already got deleted.. oh there he is again.. he had just gone invisible

Isn’t it funny how most of the threads that are “X-profession is OP” comes mostly from a vast misunderstanding of how said profession works, without any effort from any OP to learn as to how they work?

Oh well Let the records play I guess… These tears will never go away as long as there will be people who cannot adapt… Have a nice day

It’s been awhile since We’ve seen mesmer Op thread.. >.<

It’s been said a couple times now, but I think it needs to be said again.

L2P

Drakortha.6974:

If L2P is the best argument you can come up with I don’t know why i bother responding to you.

And you say “lowest tiers”, like it doesnt even matter. But what you fail to realize is 99% of the pvp player-base is low tier. So you’re effectively telling me, “oh, this only effects most of the playerbase so it doesn’t matter.”

If you want a game that’s designed with the lowest tier of play in mind, go play tic-tac-toe. What makes this game fun, engaging, and challenging long after your first few games is the fact that it has unique and complex mechanics. Proposing to take content (in this case, an entire profession) out of the game because you found it too difficult without even asking for advice just leads us all down the garden path to a truly bland experience.

jportell.2197:

Fay.2357:

Sorel.4870:

jportell.2197:

Wow. Someone calling mesmers OP cuz they cant find the real one. Are we in beta weekend 1 again? O.o

That’s a good sign actually! It means we have some fresh blood in pvp.

That’s actually an interesting way to look at it.

@OP….nm, not even gonna.

An interestijg way to look at it. I just hope no more of these posts show up or anet will do something like put a 10s icd on deceptive evasion lol.

Don’t even joke about that, I am almost at the point of treating mesmer nerf jokes like Actors treat Hamlet.

Zarathustra.1458:

jportell.2197:

Fay.2357:

Sorel.4870:

jportell.2197:

Wow. Someone calling mesmers OP cuz they cant find the real one. Are we in beta weekend 1 again? O.o

That’s a good sign actually! It means we have some fresh blood in pvp.

That’s actually an interesting way to look at it.

@OP….nm, not even gonna.

An interestijg way to look at it. I just hope no more of these posts show up or anet will do something like put a 10s icd on deceptive evasion lol.

Don’t even joke about that, I am almost at the point of treating mesmer nerf jokes like Actors treat Hamlet.

It’s not really a joke. Anet threw the idea out there about a year ago in either the State of The Game, or A Ready Up Episode. It was gonna be the same time they nerfed vigor, etc. So yeah.

looks at half empty wine bottle and grabs another What the flipping kitten! How the hell could I not remember that bloody nightmare of a suggestion. To the OP just learn to bloody play. I spend enough time as it is getting mauled by your bloody ranger pets and stupid 1 spam while trying to close the gap to a ranger to know that your class is in an excellent position versus mine. My only hope to kill you is not connected to burst at all, it is entirely connected to being able to Line of Sight you and hoping my phantasms can chew you to about 50% health and then that I am lucky enough to interrupt your heal skill while your running away to proc CI and be able to finish you off. Stealth does not really change anything, as mesmer still has limited access to it, namely a 30 second cooldown on torch. Now if it was a thief’s stealth then I would have time for your complaints, but at this point it is simply a case that you found yourself against a player who understood and could react better to the changing situation between the two of you in your engagement. As they say, your problem is Pebkac, or Problem exists between keyboard and chair.

LOL

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/15char

Put your pet on passive, once you have pressed f1 it keeps going after the real mesmer even after stealth. It helps alot, also asume they burst out of stealth so keep moving and try and anticipate there burst and dodge. I hated mesmers until i played one, and understoud them better, so that helps aswell, though if i fight 2 mesmers ill just cry in acorner.