Guild Wars 2

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

I main a mesmer, and if i didnt have alot of games under my belt on thief, warrior and engy i can tell you right now i would think trap rangers are the most OP thing ever. They simply destroy shatter mesmers.

daydream.2938:

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

I main a mesmer, and if i didnt have alot of games under my belt on thief, warrior and engy i can tell you right now i would think trap rangers are the most OP thing ever. They simply destroy shatter mesmers.

Don’t they destroy pretty much anyone 1v1?

DPS Guardian > all except ele. Ele is the only class we cannot efficiently beat 1v1 all the time. And occasionally an Engi.

Larynx.2453:

daydream.2938:

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

I main a mesmer, and if i didnt have alot of games under my belt on thief, warrior and engy i can tell you right now i would think trap rangers are the most OP thing ever. They simply destroy shatter mesmers.

Don’t they destroy pretty much anyone 1v1?

the traps eat up our clones, very annoying. And , ya, sorta, engies and necros can beat trap rangers 1on1. Sometimes thiefs.

daydream.2938:

Larynx.2453:

daydream.2938:

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

I main a mesmer, and if i didnt have alot of games under my belt on thief, warrior and engy i can tell you right now i would think trap rangers are the most OP thing ever. They simply destroy shatter mesmers.

Don’t they destroy pretty much anyone 1v1?

the traps eat up our clones, very annoying. And , ya, sorta, engies and necros can beat trap rangers 1on1. Sometimes thiefs.

And dps guardians

daydream.2938:

Larynx.2453:

daydream.2938:

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

I main a mesmer, and if i didnt have alot of games under my belt on thief, warrior and engy i can tell you right now i would think trap rangers are the most OP thing ever. They simply destroy shatter mesmers.

Don’t they destroy pretty much anyone 1v1?

the traps eat up our clones, very annoying. And , ya, sorta, engies and necros can beat trap rangers 1on1. Sometimes thiefs.

this statement is invalid.

Oblivion.8307:

daydream.2938:

Larynx.2453:

daydream.2938:

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

I main a mesmer, and if i didnt have alot of games under my belt on thief, warrior and engy i can tell you right now i would think trap rangers are the most OP thing ever. They simply destroy shatter mesmers.

Don’t they destroy pretty much anyone 1v1?

the traps eat up our clones, very annoying. And , ya, sorta, engies and necros can beat trap rangers 1on1. Sometimes thiefs.

this statement is invalid.

Can. Not always, but you can.

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

haha :P no,but seriously,i got beaten by all classes once at least…depends on the player

List is now updated – 2/21/2013

Significant changes:
-Necro promoted up a rank.
-Guardian moved to Tier A.

-Added a new identifier: =
This identifier states that all classes in a Tier with an = have equivalent value in tPvP.

Example:

Mesmer
=Elementalist
=Guardian

In this case, the Mesmer is the most sought after / powerful, with Ele/Guardian being equivalent, but below Mesmer.

daydream.2938:

Arena net is aware that eles are too strong. Has commented on this.
And informed us they are getting a (small ) nerf.

Which is fair, they only need a small adjustment.

Ohhh…..you missed quite a lot of stuff, the devs have stated that ele got few strong aspects when using bunker build but in general there are a lot of weak stuff which will be buffed in return ^^, so yeah while bunker eles will get nerfed…the balanced eles will be buffed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0togRMEc_o&feature=player_detailpage#t=2344s

The only class getting close to balance is..ele, they nerfed the extreme burst of eles and now they’ll nerf extreme bunker builds, everything will affect positively the balanced eles..and this is good for the game, who need to worry now are those too used to extreme burst builds^^

defective how can u put guardians 4th on the list?
name ANY top team between release and now that hasn’t run a guardian?
infact people are complaining about double ele teams now when double guardian teams have been rampant since release (PZ comp) and even now there are many.

we just take guardians OPness for granted these days, DPS guardians are still 1 of if not the best dps classes, thankfully nearly all guardians run bunker since u cannot be a top team without a bunker guardian.

There have been MANY top teams in NA and EU that have run without a ranger,mesmer,necro,thief etc etc, but not a SINGLE team that hasn’t run without a guardian.

daydream.2938:

Larynx.2453:

daydream.2938:

Kardiamond.6952:

Dadi.1870:

my experience as playing as a mesmer in paid/free tpvp and spvp in general…

nothing is that OP, depends largely on the player and his build/skill and the teamwork of the team.

never once did i think: “man that class should be nerfed” or “my class is so bad against X”

these tier lists are completely unnecessary, will do more damage than good… my 2 cents

cheers

Well for sure, since you are a mesmer, no other class will feel OP compared to you! :P

I main a mesmer, and if i didnt have alot of games under my belt on thief, warrior and engy i can tell you right now i would think trap rangers are the most OP thing ever. They simply destroy shatter mesmers.

Don’t they destroy pretty much anyone 1v1?

the traps eat up our clones, very annoying. And , ya, sorta, engies and necros can beat trap rangers 1on1. Sometimes thiefs.

I’ve seen good mesmers, beat good rangers before it all depends on peoples mechanical skill. Also, trap rangers if not always, usually lose to good ele’s. I have to admit Elementalist are OP but it’s only the Traits/Spec.

In my opinion Top 3 Most OP:
1. Elementalist
2. Engineers
3. Rangers

I totally disagree that rangers, of all characters, is OP.

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Defektive.7283:

Updated 2/21/2013

Tier List Key:
S = Superior (Highest Tier)
A = Average
B = Below Average
C =

\\
The – (Negative) sign denotes that the class may fall into a lower Tier.
The + (Positive) sign denotes that the class may get bumped to a higher Tier.
The = (Equal) sign denotes that the class is equivalent to other classes with = in the Tier.
//
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Tier List v0.0.2

Tier S
Elementalist

Tier A
+ Mesmer
=Ranger
- Guardian

Tier B
Thief
= Necro
= Engineer

Tier C
Warrior
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Prefix:
Certain fighting games have a tier list to show which character(s) are on ‘top’ of the food chain.

This is usually depicted by number of tournament wins, available combos, and general skill cap.

I propose a Tier list, updated every new balance patch to reflect what the community as a whole believe the top classes are.

Sound off below and based on the responses I’ll re-organize the list. In your response please provide a one-two sentence reason as to why you believe class A should be in position X. I’ll be updating the list every few new responses so as to not make rapid changes.

Danke.

dimyzuka.7051:

defective how can u put guardians 4th on the list?

The Tier List isn’t for me to decide. These are aggregate results that follow the current meta, derived from players.

I’ve seen a lot of teams not bring Guardians as of late, but other teams still do. I don’t see them as a requirement anymore personally.

atheria.2837:

I totally disagree that rangers, of all characters, is OP.

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Tier A is equivalent to ‘Average’. This is the Tier classes SHOULD be in at the end of the day and all balance changes are said and done. This is the Tier that rangers have currently fallen into.

Imma let you you finish, but BM Ranger > Trap Ranger.

Also Trap Ranger existed since launch of game. Nothing has change in the build. No one used to invite my trap ranger until last month.

Poor Warriors. If they changed the Greatsword Burst ability to something worth a kitten maybe the Meta would change in Warrior’s favor. Also Tactics and Defense minor traits are crap with the exception of Adrenal Health. Warriors don’t have any access to protection. Why?

Defektive.7283:

dimyzuka.7051:

defective how can u put guardians 4th on the list?

The Tier List isn’t for me to decide. These are aggregate results that follow the current meta, derived from players.

I’ve seen a lot of teams not bring Guardians as of late, but other teams still do. I don’t see them as a requirement anymore personally.

Can you list most popular weapon combos that for the classes of each tier? :O

ilJumperMT.4871:

Imma let you you finish, but BM Ranger > Trap Ranger.

Also Trap Ranger existed since launch of game. Nothing has change in the build. No one used to invite my trap ranger until last month.

False, traps became unblockable…

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Imma let you you finish, but BM Ranger > Trap Ranger.

Also Trap Ranger existed since launch of game. Nothing has change in the build. No one used to invite my trap ranger until last month.

False, traps became unblockable…

A balance change like that would indeed change how useful a build is and thus how lusted after it would become to tPvP teams.

Changes like that is reason enough to have the list, it will chronicle how classes are perceived based on skill / attack / trait changes.

Dadi.1870:

never had that much of a problem with eles really…they are just annoying and guardians also

…b-but annoying = op, don’t you know?!

mist form ress x2 , armor of earth x 2/4 (ress and stomp), mist form on downed state x 2 ( pair this with the above list) + sustained healing and damage.

Yes, it’s OP.

Not by themselves for sure ( aside the S/D bunker), but when you stack eles in a team up to 2 or even 3, yes, it becomes clearly OP.

Defektive.7283:

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

ilJumperMT.4871:

Imma let you you finish, but BM Ranger > Trap Ranger.

Also Trap Ranger existed since launch of game. Nothing has change in the build. No one used to invite my trap ranger until last month.

False, traps became unblockable…

A balance change like that would indeed change how useful a build is and thus how lusted after it would become to tPvP teams.

Changes like that is reason enough to have the list, it will chronicle how classes are perceived based on skill / attack / trait changes.

This is another time of the many times someone has been like nothing was changed since beta and now we consider it OP. This is false in most cases because the game we have today is due to the many small random changes we saw along the way over the last few months.

The problem is the amount of good warriors and Necro’s in tPvP is almost nil. I regularly tPvP, and I have seen maybe 3 other Necro’s in the last two weeks. In the last month, I have seen maybe 8 or 9 different Necro’s with 3 of them maining staffs, and three being good. I have met 1 good warrior in the same time, most are horrible, and run around with GS and think it’s all they need.

So it’s a subjective list which makes it ridiculous, but here is my input. I will rate them based on potential and good players who play them

1. Elementalist – highest skill cap,a nd a good one can completely control a map
2. Mesmers – necros and rangers can own them, everyone else has trouble
3. Condition Rangers – crazy damage since they fixed the elite skill
4. Necromancers – too many players who have no idea how to play it effectively. The good ones are incredibly tough to kill.
5. Thief – Good ones are few and far between, but they can’t really change a game.
6. Engineers – Only one good build – grenade bunker
7. Guardians – completely awful outside of bunker builds, and speaking as a regular power necro they are extremely easy for necros to wreck.
8. Warriors – 100b is easy to kill, their bunker builds are 3rd tier, low skill cap means a large portion of bad players.

Lists like this are important because they are a good reference for newer players testing builds. Sure, it’s impossible to account for all the possible builds/comps/matchups, but that’s not the point. If it were possible, the game would be boring.

A common problem in the profession forums is for people to say, “yeah, we can’t do anything half as well as a warrior”—which is pretty ridiculous unless you’re talking about standing in one place and using your 1-5 weapon skills in PvE.

While the community opinion is there opinion, it just makes me sad that wars are in last place. Not that they don’t deserve to be there given state of the game, but that people aren’t investing the time into them to make them at least seem better.

I’m just baffled to how high up the ranks rangers are. I’ve never been a fanboy of fotm builds, I always try and find something that suits me and apparently I’m so far off it’s laughable. Every kitten class I run into in sPvP must be running around in batman, superman or even Chuck Norris mode, compared to w3 this isn’t even close to fun with the build I run around in. Wonders how it’s so much more effective in w3 but not in spvp?

Schwahrheit.4203:

Based on player performance and rate of success.

1 – God Tier
2 – Too good for this game’s standard tier
3 – Above average Tier
4 – Okay Tier
5 – Below Average tier

1.) Ele
2.) Mesmer
3.) Ranger
3.) Thief
3.) Guardian
4.) Engi
4.) Necro
5.) Warrior

I was gonna make a post but this guy did it for me. I agree with this entirely. Good post sir.

Phule.1968:

I’m just baffled to how high up the ranks rangers are. I’ve never been a fanboy of fotm builds, I always try and find something that suits me and apparently I’m so far off it’s laughable. Every kitten class I run into in sPvP must be running around in batman, superman or even Chuck Norris mode, compared to w3 this isn’t even close to fun with the build I run around in. Wonders how it’s so much more effective in w3 but not in spvp?

Because you’re fighting PvE players with terrible gear in WvWvW.

Mrbig.8019:

mist form ress x2 , armor of earth x 2/4 (ress and stomp), mist form on downed state x 2 ( pair this with the above list) + sustained healing and damage.

Yes, it’s OP.

Not by themselves for sure ( aside the S/D bunker), but when you stack eles in a team up to 2 or even 3, yes, it becomes clearly OP.

Only skilled eles paired together are OP, but then again skilled players paired together are OP on every profession

Lordrosicky.5813:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Based on player performance and rate of success.

1 – Most hated profession
2 – Professions that kill me with no fail
3 – Professions I normally get killed by
4 – Professions I can beat…sometimes
5 – My profession

1.) Ele
2.) Mesmer
3.) Ranger
3.) Thief
3.) Guardian
4.) Engi
4.) Necro
5.) Warrior

I was gonna make a post but this guy did it for me. I agree with this entirely. Good post sir.

There! changed for both of you^^

Arheundel.6451:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Based on player performance and rate of success.

1 – Most hated profession
2 – Professions that kill me with no fail
3 – Professions I normally get killed by
4 – Professions I can beat…sometimes
5 – My profession

1.) Ele
2.) Mesmer
3.) Ranger
3.) Thief
3.) Guardian
4.) Engi
4.) Necro
5.) Warrior

I was gonna make a post but this guy did it for me. I agree with this entirely. Good post sir.

There! changed for both of you^^

I’m going to guess you play an Ele.

Larynx.2453:

I’m going to guess you play an Ele.

Bingo!

Larynx.2453:

Arheundel.6451:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Schwahrheit.4203:

Based on player performance and rate of success.

1 – Most hated profession
2 – Professions that kill me with no fail
3 – Professions I normally get killed by
4 – Professions I can beat…sometimes
5 – My profession

1.) Ele
2.) Mesmer
3.) Ranger
3.) Thief
3.) Guardian
4.) Engi
4.) Necro
5.) Warrior

I was gonna make a post but this guy did it for me. I agree with this entirely. Good post sir.

There! changed for both of you^^

I’m going to guess you play an Ele.

And I’m going to guess..you got beaten by eles over and over again…

Quiet good listing. I would just consider moving rangers to Tier A + from Tier A = .
And maybe mesmer to Tier S - along with Elementalists; they’re quiet vital for a conquest setup right now (Illu of Life/Port/TW).

I’m seriously not trying to troll, so if you think I am please comment on why I am ludicrous. But from a thief’s perspective…. I see it like this

1. GUARDIAN – this class is so broken stupid…. in the game’s only pvp arena…. that I literally find myself asking why I don’t just go and roll this stupid thing already. Literally ZERO skill required. Just stand on a point… and turtle. You can literally eat anything a player throws at you…. and the best part.. you just kill them by having them.. KILL THEMSELVES on retal. sigh – When a guardian will stand inside your blind field…because they know – it doesn’t matter… that is broken.

after a long drop from the god heights of Guardian… then comes

2 & 3. Ele / Ranger
4. Mesmer

5. Thief
6. Warrior
7 & 8: Necro / Engy

Class balance is of course relative, since the typical burst damage Thief cannot deal with a Bunker Guardian alone. Enter the Condi-Burst Engi, Trap Ranger, or Condi Necro though, and that Guardian drops in under 20 seconds.

I see nothing troll about that list mursie, it’s simply your opinion. There is nothing wrong with an opinion as long as you discuss it, the problem is too many people are offended by another opinion on these forums. Taken from what I know as the Thief PoV, it makes sense as well. I am curious how the Condi Thief would work out against a Bunker Guardian though, but this is something I have no experience with.

1- Cosmic overlord
2 – God Tier
3 – Too good for this game’s standard tier
4 – Above average Tier
5 – Okay Tier
6 – Below Average tier

1.) Me
2.) Ele
3.) Mesmer
4.) Ranger
4.) Thief
4.) Guardian
5.) Engi
5.) Necro
6.) Warrior

It definitely depends a lot on what class and build you are playing in my opinion. I play a thief mainly but I have tried nearly all classes for pvp (except engineer and necromancer) and I have even have quite some games on mesmer, ele and warrior. I have a lot of perspective on the classes I have played so far.

In my opinion, dagger dagger eles are the strongest of all, if they hit the big attacks.
Thief can be extremely powerful but so squishy it’s not even funny. I could never kill Dagger dagger eles on the typical backstab build but now I run dagger pistol with slightly more defensive traits and only a really good ele is a problem now. I think all classes can be viable in some sort of way (spvp). I have been killed by engineers, especially 100nades.

This is a bad way to address a problem. OP does not mention important details as bunker/roamer/burst variations for instance. It makes a huge difference and will paint the wrong picture.

I will play along, however. As an ele who has tried a bazillion builds and approaches, this is my vote on the ele alone. I don’t know enough about each other profession and their different viable and dangerous builds to give accurate votes. I will be objective.

A bunker ele would be tier A+.
A roamer ele would be tier B-.
A burst ele would be tier C.

There should not be a tier S. But perhaps OP, as someone that plays a (biased?) warrior, knows that most people have an issue with the bunker ele, and cleverly added a league for the ele alone, just to bring extra focus to it. To me it comes off as whining in a more elaborate fashion.

Nothing against you personally, but I think you should rethink all this. The list is very crude, giving the wrong overall impression.

P.S.
I think all the bunkers variations are strong in their own right. Fighting two of a same profession is a bother, anytime. But two eles are nasty to be against, as they have better synergy than other classes might have.

However, if you bring two of the same profession to a TPvP fight, for example, it isn’t always a testament to a profession being too strong, but rather trying a different approach. The problem is that people will rip each other off when something different works, and then it suddenly becomes popular and receives the more attention. For good or for worse.
Just chill and wait for the patch. They have already said that they are looking at bunker eles. No need to go to extremes.

Ayestes.1273:

Class balance is of course relative, since the typical burst damage Thief cannot deal with a Bunker Guardian alone. Enter the Condi-Burst Engi, Trap Ranger, or Condi Necro though, and that Guardian drops in under 20 seconds.

I see nothing troll about that list mursie, it’s simply your opinion. There is nothing wrong with an opinion as long as you discuss it, the problem is too many people are offended by another opinion on these forums. Taken from what I know as the Thief PoV, it makes sense as well. I am curious how the Condi Thief would work out against a Bunker Guardian though, but this is something I have no experience with.

I’m not an awesome player, but I figure that I’m above average: to put it in perspective, with my non-cookie-cutter bleed thief, I go into fights against most professions feeling that I’ve got a reasonable chance of victory.

Anyhow, one evening I was in a duel server for a few hours and there was a bunker guardian in there killing everyone he fought. When my chance to fight him came up, we ended up calling it a draw after about 10 minutes: we both always had the cooldowns we needed to prevent the other from winning.

I imagine they had plenty of single condi cleanses to remove the bleeds when they got threatening, and a condi Thief doesn’t have much to cover up the bleed especially since it gets refreshed on the stack so often. Makes sense when I think about it more.

Ayestes.1273:

I imagine they had plenty of single condi cleanses to remove the bleeds when they got threatening, and a condi Thief doesn’t have much to cover up the bleed especially since it gets refreshed on the stack so often. Makes sense when I think about it more.

Exactly… it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if thief burst got toned down and we were given more readily stackable condition types.

Malcastus.6240:

This is a bad way to address a problem. OP does not mention important details as bunker/roamer/burst variations for instance. It makes a huge difference and will paint the wrong picture.

I will play along, however. As an ele who has tried a bazillion builds and approaches, this is my vote on the ele alone. I don’t know enough about each other profession and their different viable and dangerous builds to give accurate votes. I will be objective.

A bunker ele would be tier A+.
A roamer ele would be tier B-.
A burst ele would be tier C.

There should not be a tier S. But perhaps OP, as someone that plays a (biased?) warrior, knows that most people have an issue with the bunker ele, and cleverly added a league for the ele alone, just to bring extra focus to it. To me it comes off as whining in a more elaborate fashion.

Nothing against you personally, but I think you should rethink all this. The list is very crude, giving the wrong overall impression.

P.S.
I think all the bunkers variations are strong in their own right. Fighting two of a same profession is a bother, anytime. But two eles are nasty to be against, as they have better synergy than other classes might have.

However, if you bring two of the same profession to a TPvP fight, for example, it isn’t always a testament to a profession being too strong, but rather trying a different approach. The problem is that people will rip each other off when something different works, and then it suddenly becomes popular and receives the more attention. For good or for worse.
Just chill and wait for the patch. They have already said that they are looking at bunker eles. No need to go to extremes.

The list is from the community. He is just organizing it.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

The list is from the community. He is just organizing it.

Exactly, the OP contributed his own list at the beginning but after that he averaged out all the responses. So the reason eles are at the top of his list is because they’ve been at the top of almost every response, not because the OP is lobbying for ele nerfs.

This is also important because it allows players/devs to track changes over time. For example, if 10/30/30 ele gets nerfed this patch and immediately all the responses start putting ele at the bottom, the devs know they did something horribly wrong. More likely, after the patch eles will still be at the top of everyone’s list, and the devs will know some other professions need minor buffs/fixes (like trap rangers got) to make them as powerful as the current S and A professions.

Prana.8690:

Ayestes.1273:

I imagine they had plenty of single condi cleanses to remove the bleeds when they got threatening, and a condi Thief doesn’t have much to cover up the bleed especially since it gets refreshed on the stack so often. Makes sense when I think about it more.

Exactly… it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if thief burst got toned down and we were given more readily stackable condition types.

When I used to play a Condi Warrior, this felt like one of their problems as well. Interesting how I gravitated towards the Engi, which consequently has the best condi-dmg variety in the game.

Ayestes.1273:

Prana.8690:

Ayestes.1273:

I imagine they had plenty of single condi cleanses to remove the bleeds when they got threatening, and a condi Thief doesn’t have much to cover up the bleed especially since it gets refreshed on the stack so often. Makes sense when I think about it more.

Exactly… it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if thief burst got toned down and we were given more readily stackable condition types.

When I used to play a Condi Warrior, this felt like one of their problems as well. Interesting how I gravitated towards the Engi, which consequently has the best condi-dmg variety in the game.

I’ve also got a Engi that I play a condition build with, but I prefer the play-style that my thief allows me. I’m more of a “control the fight” kind of guy, and I can do that better on my thief.

Ayestes.1273:

a Condi Warrior

This is an oxymoron.

Harrier.9380:

Ayestes.1273:

a Condi Warrior

This is an oxymoron.

I never said it was viable. I do it only to have fun. It was what I originally wanted to play when the game debuted in beta, but it has serious issues in PvP.

BM ranger > everything

this build in particular

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAsfVjAVV2JW+Vo2Bi2DNJJM9eELa1eXhRdxKlIB;TsAgzCmouxcj4G7Nubk3s+Y8xsBA