Guild Wars 2

Lol at the guy who put ‘high sustain dd eles’ as tier A and roaming guards above warriors…

Oh wait forgot this is just a warrior qq thread.

Daecollo.9578:

one of the thief heals for example heals them for 80% of there HP

Sorry what?

Med.6150:

Daecollo.9578:

one of the thief heals for example heals them for 80% of there HP

Sorry what?

It’s ridiculous indeed. The strongest thief heals him for 5760 HP including the regen boon for the whole duration.

Thieves have at least 10k HP

stof.9341:

Med.6150:

Daecollo.9578:

one of the thief heals for example heals them for 80% of there HP

Sorry what?

It’s ridiculous indeed. The strongest thief heals him for 5760 HP including the regen boon for the whole duration.

Thieves have at least 10k HP

Maybe he was running full healing power with no vit?

Even with 1200 Healing Power, it’s only a 7k HP heal in total.

And a thief with full healing power build? What?

stof.9341:

Even with 1200 Healing Power, it’s only a 7k HP heal in total.

And a thief with full healing power build? What?

Maybe he had -50hp Grim Cesta which, scaled to GW2, would be -833 health? Am I close yet? He was also equipped with all superior runes…

Mesmers are very strong right now I think.. but necros are just in a whole ’nother league..

Anything I can do with a mesmer is easily doable on an AOE scale with Necro;
(Which is why my necro is seeing more play right now)

DPS? AOE DPS

Interrupt Lock down? AOE FEAR LOCKDOWN
(Argueably one could use Aoe Daze trait, and die instantly all the time)

Survivability? Hmmm.. I actually think my mesmer is more surviveable even though he’s not running a tough brawler setup like necro.

AoE Cleanse? ; Longer Aoe Cleanse. with AoE DPS

I’m not saying the necro is OHPEEPLEASENERF.. but as of right now, there is literally no point in playing mesmer, when I can achieve compareable results on a class I haven’t played very long Pro-Necros must be able to achieve even greater results.

Warrior/Thief/Ranger seems to be in a slump…
Good guardians are still good I think but with all the condition spam anyone who hasn’t evolved with the meta is getting pooped on.

Engineer/Elementalist seems to be the middle ground…

Darnis.4056:

Survivability? Hmmm.. I actually think my mesmer is more surviveable even though he’s not running a tough brawler setup like necro.

Being alive is the most important thing… and necros have no such capability.

A single necro is not a problem, its two terror necros chaining you with fear and epidemic. The counter point to this is that the team using said comp will crumble under even the slightest bit of pressure as they have two targets that cannot do anything but cry when focused.

Also you forgot Moa.

Ostricheggs.3742:

Post patch:

Tier S
Necromancers

Tier A
Warriors = Mesmers (would be even better if it weren’t for necros)
Guardians
Eles
Thieves

Tier B
Engis = Rangers

Ostricheggs would be interested to hear if you still think the above is relevant now the dust has settled

^
Couldn’t agree more with the guy above me.

BlueprintLFE.2358:

Tier S- +Guardian (Have a lot of good builds now, and damage to boot with survivability) access to protection, retal, regen, and specific class heals, blinds and teleports to keep from being kited) with right hand strength for high damage as well, there is not much a guardian can’t do, and bringing one never hurts the team.

=Mesmer- Phase Retreat on the staff is really strong for in combat moving and clone spawning, can kite melee classes easily and decent reflects (depend on spec) for range. Good boons and good team utility. Excellent at removing boons, and just adding chaos to the battlefield. Illusion of Life is a big help for the team.

Tier A- +Necromancer the necromancer has been on he bottom of the barrel for a while now, good to see them receive some strong buffs, power spec now viable, conditions are monstrous. Class feels out of balance towards offence now, strong offense but bad defenses, death shroud gets eaten through quickly qnd no vigor or source of endurance regen makes survivability low. won’t rate them S get until I see how the buffs turn out.

-Engineer- Has always been strong with survivability and conditions, gear shield is better than warriors block, and elixirs now have the potential to remove Boons. Would like to see more rifle builds.

=Elementalist- still good survivability and decent movement. Phoenix is really strong now.

+Thief- this new change to blinds has added a whole new source of mitigation for the thieves, they are the class that can take full advantage of it. Without blind change I would say a strong B.

Tier B- Ranger longbow didnt get much love, and rangers still feel in a choke point with build options. Pet nerfs felt right as there is too much reliance on NPC’s in pvp. However the damage doesn’t look like it was out back into the ranger.

Tier C- Warrior, comparing to the other classes right now doesn’t even look like the warrior is from the same game. Spammable Teleports, evades, and blinds and cripples, really shows how out of place this class feels. Still relies heavily on cc to land damage, huge sweeping animations for abilities makes countering them feel easy. Axe changes hurt axe in pvp, hammer and mace is out of place with blinds, cripple and chill with no movement skills.

Disclosure I play every class in the game and enjoy them all, no real attachement to any, trying to objectively and without bias label the professions.

Couldn’t agree more.

Vena.8436:

Darnis.4056:

Survivability? Hmmm.. I actually think my mesmer is more surviveable even though he’s not running a tough brawler setup like necro.

…anything but cry when focused.

.

This statement is overused and quite deceptive. What profession, outside of a bunker guardian, does not cry when focused?

Pyriall.5027:

Vena.8436:

Darnis.4056:

Survivability? Hmmm.. I actually think my mesmer is more surviveable even though he’s not running a tough brawler setup like necro.

…anything but cry when focused.

.

This statement is overused and quite deceptive. What profession, outside of a bunker guardian, does not cry when focused?

Thief, Mesmer, and Ele.

S
+ Necro
- Thief

A
+ ranger
=mesmer
=guardian
- engi

B
+ ele
+ warrior

• S Tier
  + Necromancer

• A Tier
  +Ranger
  + Guardian
  =Mesmer
  - Engineer

• B Tier
  + Elementalist
  =Thief
  - Warrior

S Tier:
+Warriors
-Necromancers

A Tier
+Engineers
=Ranger
-Guardian
-Mesmer

B Tier
+Elementalist
-Thief

Want to be power based? Sorry! Wrong meta for you!

S Tier
+ Necromancer

• A Tier
  +Guardian
  +Engineer
  =Mesmer
  -Elementailist

• B Tier
  =Thief
  - Warrior

S Tier:
+ Necromancer
- Thief

A Tier:
+Guardian
+Engineer
=Ranger
=Ele
-Mesmer

B Tier
Warrior

this should be realistic from a top 20 EU point of view

sincerely, your pokemon

• S Tier
  =Necromancer
  -Thief

• A Tier
  +Guardian
  +Ranger
  =Engineer

• B Tier
  +Elementalist
  =Mesmer

• C Tier
  +Warrior

If it wasnt for the S/D build of Thief and the Spirit Ranger, things would look a little different in comparison to what it is right now.

S Tier:
NONE

A Tier:
=Guardian
+Necromancer
=Mesmer
=Engineer

B Tier:
+Warrior
=Thief
=Ranger
=Ele

S Tier:
Necromancer

A Tier:
Guardian
Ranger
Engineer
Elementalist

B Tier:
Thief
Mesmer

C Tier
Warrior

Nova Stiker.8396:

S Tier:
+Warriors
-Necromancers

A Tier
+Engineers
=Ranger
-Guardian
-Mesmer

B Tier
+Elementalist
-Thief

Want to be power based? Sorry! Wrong meta for you!

Warrior top… care to elaborate?

S Tier:

++ Necromancer

A Tier:

+ Engineer
+ Ranger
= Guardian
= Elementalist

- Thief

Tier B:

=Messmer
- Warrior

S Tier:
+ Necromancer (Condition)
- Thief (S/D)

A Tier:
+Ranger (Spirit)
+Engineer
=Guardian
=Ele

B Tier:
+Mesmer
-Warrior

Necros just out of control. Ridiciuluos damage.

S/D thief still good due to avoids not beeing that vulnerable to current condi aoe spam like a noob meta.

Engi just good at everything: has good sinergy with necro, great 1v1 potential, fast roaming, …..

Spirit Rangers seem to be the strongest 1v1 class right now and also nice groupsupport trough spirit boons (still spirits die allmost instant in grpfights)

Guard/Ele pretty balanced imo

Mesmer gets eatin alive by conditions and warriors just need a complete remake…

S Tier:
++Necromancer
= Thief (S/D)

A Tier:
+ Ranger (Spirit)
+ Engineer
= Guardian
– Ele

B Tier:
= Mesmer
– Warrior

Surreal.5243:

S Tier:
+ Necromancer (Condition)
- Thief (S/D)

A Tier:
+Ranger (Spirit)
+Engineer
=Guardian
=Ele

B Tier:
+Mesmer
-Warrior

Necros just out of control. Ridiciuluos damage.

S/D thief still good due to avoids not beeing that vulnerable to current condi aoe spam like a noob meta.

Engi just good at everything: has good sinergy with necro, great 1v1 potential, fast roaming, …..

Spirit Rangers seem to be the strongest 1v1 class right now and also nice groupsupport trough spirit boons (still spirits die allmost instant in grpfights)

Guard/Ele pretty balanced imo

Mesmer gets eatin alive by conditions and warriors just need a complete remake…

This is exactly how it is. However even Ele is not that strong. You get focused by a thief or necro in teamfights and you can count the seconds to your death. However if you get covered by other classes you are an option for teams.
Necros are out of control – Condition 1shots on short CD, decent survivability on a gc spec and a skillfloor which lets every BM ranger look high skilled.

But I would say Warrior is even more useful than Mesmers because they are actually able to kill S/D’s and Necros with a lucky stun-

But Arenanet dont want to admit and say everything is fine, just L2P issue qq, right?

looks like many underestimate thiefs and overestimate mesmers

1. Necro
2. Engi/Mesmer
3. Ranger
4. Guardian
5. Warr
6. Ele
7.Thief

400+ tpvp wins – Classes: ranger/thief/mesmer/engi

Thesilentflute.8761:

1. Necro
2. Engi/Mesmer
3. Ranger
4. Guardian
5. Warr
6. Ele
7.Thief

400+ tpvp wins – Classes: ranger/thief/mesmer/engi

1096 tournament wins here distributed on every class except for engineer and elementalists.

i disagree with you.

Blackjack.5621:

looks like many underestimate thiefs and overestimate mesmers

^This

Tier S: (Best Class atm)

Nekro

Tier A: (Good and playable classes)

Thief
Ranger
Ele

Tier B: (Ok Classes)

Engi
Guardian

Tier C: (Not really playable atm, but not that bad)

Mesmer

Tier (Bad)

Warrior

This is the actual List, for the top Tournaments. Necro is just destroying everything atm, in 1 vs 1 and in Teamfight, he is just so overpowered it’s not really funny anymore.

Ranger, Thief, Ele are really good, Spirit Ranger have one of the best rezzes atm and are the best close point defender atm, not really much skill needed and you are mobile with sword. The Spirits are good in Teamfights and in 1 vs 1 aswell. If the Ranger is really good he can even beat Necros.

S/D Thief can still solo every class except Necro, he can do a lot damage, is very mobile and you can steal every boon from the party. Good Downstate control aswell.

Ele still very good, because of good spikedamage, heal, pressure, cc, best down control. The Ele is an allrounder that can fill everything, but getting kitten d from necros atm aswell.

Guardian is in every team, but just because you need 1 Bunker for 1 Point and the stability. But atm every necro can outplay guards. They can fear shelter, corrupt boon you safestomps or saverezzes. And you get that much conditions that you can’t remove all even if your build is on complete condi remove.

Engi still good far assaulter, getting kitten d by necro really hard atm, but selfrezz and elite are good in teamfights and a good engi can outplay many. The Knockbacks are really good aswell to decappoints and invis is really good to envade.

Mesmer getting kitten d by the meta atm and got many changes idk why. The Focus pull got nerfed hard, the staff chaos armor aswell. The Mesmer is both, not good versus burst damage and not good versus condi. He getting kitten d by every class atm and the only thing you can do is portal, moa and insta rezz atm with him. The spikes are obvious and he is only good in Teamfight, and he gets kitten d by aoes atm in teamfights.

Warrior don’t need to explain

Lachanche.6859:

Thesilentflute.8761:

1. Necro
2. Engi/Mesmer
3. Ranger
4. Guardian
5. Warr
6. Ele
7.Thief

400+ tpvp wins – Classes: ranger/thief/mesmer/engi

1096 tournament wins here distributed on every class except for engineer and elementalists.

i disagree with you.

Odd there is no one with your account name at or around the wins you posted in either NA or EU… lol there is no reason to lie here man.

Tier S
+ Mesmer
+ Thief
Tier A
+ Necro
+ Engineer
= Elementarist
= Ranger
= Guardian
Tier B
None…
Tier C
- Warrior
_______________________________________________

Thieves and Mesmers still being semi-gods in terms of dmg, escape, deception, divesity, etc…
Necros and Engineers are absurdly OP in terms of spamm (summons and conditions) and sustain. they just stay in midle of ring and kill every thing that try enter in insane speed, they can drop down all foe’s health in few seconds.
Elementaris, Ranger and Guardians can mix high defense with high attack. They just can bunker and stand in 1 × 2 or 1 × 3 while deals huge dmg.
- All classes in Tier A and S can solo that base lord very fast, with no rick!
Warriors needs massive improvement.
- No summon, no deception, unable to defend a point, very easy to kill.

XSamX.7182:

…Engi still good far assaulter, getting kitten d by necro really hard atm…

Specc “Automated Response” → Selfrezz → GG

Tier $:
-

Tier A:
+Engi
=Mes
=Guard
=Ele
=Thief
=Necro

Tier B:
+Warrior
=Ranger

Jackums.3496:

Blackjack.5621:

S Tier:
+ Necromancer
- Thief

A Tier:
+Guardian
+Engineer
=Ranger
=Ele
-Mesmer

B Tier
Warrior

I agree with this.

This tier was made before necromancer dhuumfire hot fix. Are you aware of that?

JETWING.2759:

Tier S
+ Mesmer
+ Thief
Tier A
+ Necro
+ Engineer
= Elementarist
= Ranger
= Guardian
Tier B
None…
Tier C
- Warrior
_______________________________________________

Thieves and Mesmers still being semi-gods in terms of dmg, escape, deception, divesity, etc…
Necros and Engineers are absurdly OP in terms of spamm (summons and conditions) and sustain. they just stay in midle of ring and kill every thing that try enter in insane speed, they can drop down all foe’s health in few seconds.
Elementaris, Ranger and Guardians can mix high defense with high attack. They just can bunker and stand in 1 × 2 or 1 × 3 while deals huge dmg.
- All classes in Tier A and S can solo that base lord very fast, with no rick!
Warriors needs massive improvement.
- No summon, no deception, unable to defend a point, very easy to kill.

I personally would be putting Necro in the top tier. Mesmer isnt top tier worthy for pretty much any spec other then high burst and that makes them easily to kill. I cant remember the last time i got killed by a Mesmer in SPvP.

Though it does help that i rarely see any of them anymore. The condition obsessed Meta we currently have makes them even weaker. Having to take traits, weapons, Utilities and even Sigils/runes to be able to survive 1 Vs 1 against some builds

Some Ranger and Engi builds can be very strong as well. I agree that Warriors are bottom, currently they are nothing more then a free kill 99% of the time.

Necro and Thief need to nerfed/adjusted and Warriors need buff/adjusted. If this was TPvP, i would put Mesmers even lower they are pretty much taken for things like Portal, they offer NOTHING else then a few Utilities and Mass Invis

Tier S
+ Necro
+ Thief
Tier A
+ Engineer
= Mesmer
= Elementarist
= Ranger
= Guardian
Tier B
None…
Tier C
- Warrior

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

JETWING.2759:

Tier S
+ Mesmer
+ Thief
Tier A
+ Necro
+ Engineer
= Elementarist
= Ranger
= Guardian
Tier B
None…
Tier C
- Warrior
_______________________________________________

Thieves and Mesmers still being semi-gods in terms of dmg, escape, deception, divesity, etc…
Necros and Engineers are absurdly OP in terms of spamm (summons and conditions) and sustain. they just stay in midle of ring and kill every thing that try enter in insane speed, they can drop down all foe’s health in few seconds.
Elementaris, Ranger and Guardians can mix high defense with high attack. They just can bunker and stand in 1 × 2 or 1 × 3 while deals huge dmg.
- All classes in Tier A and S can solo that base lord very fast, with no rick!
Warriors needs massive improvement.
- No summon, no deception, unable to defend a point, very easy to kill.

I personally would be putting Necro in the top tier. Mesmer isnt top tier worthy for pretty much any spec other then high burst and that makes them easily to kill. I cant remember the last time i got killed by a Mesmer in SPvP.

Though it does help that i rarely see any of them anymore. The condition obsessed Meta we currently have makes them even weaker. Having to take traits, weapons, Utilities and even Sigils/runes to be able to survive 1 Vs 1 against some builds

Some Ranger and Engi builds can be very strong as well. I agree that Warriors are bottom, currently they are nothing more then a free kill 99% of the time.

Necro and Thief need to nerfed/adjusted and Warriors need buff/adjusted. If this was TPvP, i would put Mesmers even lower they are pretty much taken for things like Portal, they offer NOTHING else then a few Utilities and Mass Invis

Tier S
+ Necro
+ Thief
Tier A
+ Engineer
= Mesmer
= Elementarist
= Ranger
= Guardian
Tier B
None…
Tier C
- Warrior

I doubt most of these posters have an accurate idea of the game balance state at the moment…

Poplolita.2638:

I doubt most of these posters have an accurate idea of the game balance state at the moment…

Based on their views of the “Tier List” i think you are right.

Tier S
+ Thief
Tier A
+ Ranger
+ Necro
= Engineer
= Elementarist
= Guardian
Tier B
+ Mesmer
Tier C
- Warrior

Jackums.3496:

JETWING.2759:

Tier S
+ Mesmer
+ Thief
Tier A
+ Necro
+ Engineer
= Elementarist
= Ranger
= Guardian
Tier B
None…
Tier C
- Warrior
_______________________________________________

Thieves and Mesmers still being semi-gods in terms of dmg, escape, deception, divesity, etc…
Necros and Engineers are absurdly OP in terms of spamm (summons and conditions) and sustain. they just stay in midle of ring and kill every thing that try enter in insane speed, they can drop down all foe’s health in few seconds.
Elementaris, Ranger and Guardians can mix high defense with high attack. They just can bunker and stand in 1 × 2 or 1 × 3 while deals huge dmg.
- All classes in Tier A and S can solo that base lord very fast, with no rick!
Warriors needs massive improvement.
- No summon, no deception, unable to defend a point, very easy to kill.

Hotjoin player here, for sure.

And you knows everything about all and are owner of the truth… :/

S
Ranger
Thief (A)

A
Guardian (S)
Mesmer

B
Warrior (A)
Enigineer (A)

C
Necromancer (B)

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

S
Ranger
Thief (A)

A
Guardian (S)
Mesmer

B
Warrior (A)
Enigineer (A)

C
Necromancer (B)

^ This list is pretty much useless when people that Clueless get a vote.

Jackums.3496:

No, I just main a Mesmer and know that it’s nowhere near the top tier as far as competitive PvP goes. Thieves, Necros, Rangers, Engis, Eles, and Guards are all more viable and useful than the Mesmer right now. They’re too susceptible to the condition-heavy meta. They’re good for Portal and IoL and that’s about it.

Totally agree. We are weak in a competitive scene, we offer very little that can’t be done just as well or better by other classes. Portal, Veil, mass Invis maybe Time Warp but thats about it.

Against condition specs are are pretty screwed if we take all the traits/utilities and weapons required to survive more then 10seconds we wont have the damage to pretty much do anything.

Keep in mind my tier list is made for this meta, small changes can bring certain classes up to A tier very suddenly and be great classes.

S Tier:
=Necromancer
=S/D Thief
-Spirit Ranger

A Tier:
+Guardian
-Engineer

B Tier:
=Warrior
= Elementalist
-Mesmer

Mesmer is probably the most volatile, the second a team wouldn’t run a s/d thief and necro it’d probably be S Tier lol

Caffynated.5713:

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

S
Ranger
Thief (A)

A
Guardian (S)
Mesmer

B
Warrior (A)
Enigineer (A)

C
Necromancer (B)

^ This list is pretty much useless when people that Clueless get a vote.

Sorry to not conform to your standards kittenwad

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

S
Ranger
Thief (A)

A
Guardian (S)
Mesmer

B
Warrior (A)
Enigineer (A)

C
Necromancer (B)

elementalist??
the list is way off btw :P

Also im gonna make a petition to make phanta go back to ele..Things just dont feel right when watching him play necro !!

Tier S
+Necro
=Thief
Tier A
+Ranger
+Engi
=Ele
-Guardian
Tier B
-Warrior
Tier C
Mesmer

Necro Even with the dhuumfire nerf necros are running around like small gods in Tournaments. They can still sig of spite corrupt boon/epidemic everyone and their mother on a point. The recent changes are a step in the right direction. Deathshroud being more survivable is nice. Now just give them slightly better disengages WHILE simultaneously toning down the ease at which they apply several stacks of conditions different conditions

Thief S/D only Larcenous strike. For the utility of it and being unblockable the damage is a little on the insane side. A person with 3500 armor taking 4k damage from this is and losing all of their defensive boons is ridiculous. Damage reduction or making LS blockable would be a nice start. Or reduce the amount of time the thief has between using flanking strike and LS or interrupting FS makes it so they have to do FS over to get to the LS part of the chain.

Ranger The spirit rangers are pretty much the only viable build that rangers have. But it is quite the good/amazing build. However being able to see more of them in PvP is nice but it seems they are pidgeonholed right back into being side point bunkers.

Engi HGH is still rather ridiculous however it is an unimaginative way to stack might on an engineer; they have the most blast finishers in the game which makes it amazing for group AOE healing and group might stacking. Might stack runes should be brought inline with protection/boon duration runes to 15%/105 respectively. This will make running around with perma might impossible. Engi’s are in a good place because of their bunkering ability however with the meta being conditions engineers have the best way to deal with it at low health. It is by no means OP though.

Ele S/D fresh air burst is a new thing for em. Helps make eles fill a role other than bunker. Other than that can’t say much for eles.

Guardian Save yourselves and Contemplation of purity pretty much have turned Kill me Now for the necros running about.

Warrior The only reason they aren’t in Tier C is because of the stunlock build that is keeping necros in check. The necros aren’t really packing much of a stunbreaker so they are susceptible to this build. When necros get pushed a little further down warriors may fade back into obscurity. Also warriors have quite a condition build with the longbow and mh sword. But it is limited in the conditions better than nothing though.

Mesmer Because of the condition meta and lack of strong condition removal (speccing into nothing but condi removal makes mesmers useless to the teams) mesmers are a liability to their team more than anything. If you have two shatter mesmers that run in and time their mindwracks together they can nuke a point but if they run across any condi based class their effectiveness goes down immensely. Also multiple mesmers on a team is a liability. This is why several “top” mesmers have switched for tourney play.

Warrior is still just terrible compared to other classes/melee. I mean okay, stun lock one class…great. Just don’t fight anyone else or prepare to get completely worked over. Still can’t deal with conditions well and especially not in this pvp environment.

More condi nerfs (necro or otherwise) are just going to be more indirect buffs to guardians and bunker builds which is pretty unfortunate.

Dralor.3701:

Warrior is still just terrible compared to other classes/melee. I mean okay, stun lock one class…great. Just don’t fight anyone else or prepare to get completely worked over. Still can’t deal with conditions well and especially not in this pvp environment.

More condi nerfs (necro or otherwise) are just going to be more indirect buffs to guardians and bunker builds which is pretty unfortunate.

How strong are bunker guards right now? Just curious? I don’t see very many and the ones i do see just melt.