DH is the third worst elite spec for a reason. And a big one is how tempest can erase a DH with all those auras since DH spike is very minimal if you can’t force someone on a trap.
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they do pretty good damage while being absolutely invincible to 1v1s. and i’m a so called OP zerker DH.
Absolutely invincible in 1vs1s…ermmmm nuff said can´t take your complaint seriously with an afirmation like this.
If you’re not a troll go to the elementalist forum, lots of people explaining how to counter tempest elementalist. If you’re a troll Ill troll you back:
Nope you can get Perma protection on your team if you run powerful auras, use sand squall, and earth overload (and allies stay in range) very easily with 0 boon duration from runes. You need warhorn though, or durability or leadership runes to work with D/F. I modeled the scenarios based on different skill rotations, runes, and and trait setups.
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Nope you can get Perma protection on your team if you run powerful auras, use sand squall, and earth overload (and allies stay in range) very easily with 0 boon duration from runes. You need warhorn though, or durability or leadership runes to work with D/F. I modeled the scenarios based on different skill rotations, runes, and and trait setups.
What nearlight said. You can get it with just the Earth Trait Elemental Shielding. 0 boon duration. 3 seconds of prot every aura.
I hate it when people just claim stuff without any testing and just say "Nope.. Yada Yada Yada… it only affects the ele, so its not OP and please dont nerf my class
Nope you can get Perma protection on your team if you run powerful auras, use sand squall, and earth overload (and allies stay in range) very easily with 0 boon duration from runes. You need warhorn though, or durability or leadership runes to work with D/F. I modeled the scenarios based on different skill rotations, runes, and and trait setups.
True and with a carrion frostfire reaper you can spam chill on enemy team and easily break diamond skin and make the ele life miserable.
A golden rule of conquest pvp is damage dealers push hard…bunkers resist harder, both dps increased and people started crying that bunkers got tankier…with great power comes a extra tanky bunker.
Meta is pretty balanced so far, tempest is strong but so are reapers, revenants, scrappers, chronos, DHs….
In my opinion only thiefs and warriors should receive buffs.
So stop asking for nerfs when your class spams chills and condies with great survivability…you need a bunker like tempest to deal with that in the current meta
Nope you can get Perma protection on your team if you run powerful auras, use sand squall, and earth overload (and allies stay in range) very easily with 0 boon duration from runes. You need warhorn though, or durability or leadership runes to work with D/F. I modeled the scenarios based on different skill rotations, runes, and and trait setups.
What nearlight said. You can get it with just the Earth Trait Elemental Shielding. 0 boon duration. 3 seconds of prot every aura.
I hate it when people just claim stuff without any testing and just say "Nope.. Yada Yada Yada… it only affects the ele, so its not OP and please dont nerf my class
we all hate when we see someone claim a class is unbeatable in 1 vs 1 just cause he can’t beat it with DH
Most of the new specs are crazy OP: a common theme is that they are hard to kill, do lots of damage, have lots of cc, and just seem to spam aoe.
This I agree, power creep has entered the game…but imo only thiefs and warriors are behind the OP status and priority should be buffing those classes, when everyone has power creeped game will balance out.
Only problem will maybe be people not enjoying the power creep…
Nope you can get Perma protection on your team if you run powerful auras, use sand squall, and earth overload (and allies stay in range) very easily with 0 boon duration from runes. You need warhorn though, or durability or leadership runes to work with D/F. I modeled the scenarios based on different skill rotations, runes, and and trait setups.
True and with a carrion frostfire reaper you can spam chill on enemy team and easily break diamond skin and make the ele life miserable.
A golden rule of conquest pvp is damage dealers push hard…bunkers resist harder, both dps increased and people started crying that bunkers got tankier…with great power comes a extra tanky bunker.
Meta is pretty balanced so far, tempest is strong but so are reapers, revenants, scrappers, chronos, DHs….
In my opinion only thiefs and warriors should receive buffs.
So stop asking for nerfs when your class spams chills and condies with great survivability…you need a bunker like tempest to deal with that in the current meta
Carrion signet reaper can’t break diamond skin any faster than a rabid or wanderer spec. Celestial, which people are still complacent enough to still use can break it though. But even then diamond skin gets broken so easily in teamfights (the place a tempest is supposed to be in, not 1v1s).
I’m not asking for tempest nerfs, I’m just stating the facts about their ability to maintain protection. Put some numbers in excel and you’ll get the same results, and considering that teammates can be out of range from your earth overload quite easily, and running powerful auras makes it so hard to deal with conditions, I wouldn’t say it’s as overpowered as people think. It’s powerful support, which is what it’s supposed to be. No amount of damage mitigation or stone heart or obsidian flesh will protect you indefinitely when 3+ people are focus firing you. I rest my case.
And yeah, I will agree that condi reaper chill damage is slightly overturned. But I’m more afraid that anet will nerf it around the same time that everyone will run AoE cleanse builds like shoutbow again and make it completely useless, again.
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This build, like many other builds that have come out since HoT release, has profound strengths and profound weaknesses. I’ve had decent success against them on viper shiro/mallyx. Just gotta get the diamond skin down and go ham with condis.
This build, like many other builds that have come out since HoT release, has profound strengths and profound weaknesses. I’ve had decent success against them on viper shiro/mallyx. Just gotta get the diamond skin down and go ham with condis.
Here is the problem, you are also using one of the arguably overtuned classes. Do you think a dardevil or berserker would do the same?
Not to detract from your topic, but 8/9 of the elite specs are OP compared with the base specs.
^ This is a way more salient point in terms of the overall health of the game. Maybe they should just get rid of the cele ammy and get rid of base profs in pvp altogether.
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Its funny when tempest just release ppl complain how useless it is and after a while people finally manage to figure out a meta build.
Because people were expecting a DPS build. It’s a Tempest for god sake, throwing tornadoes around. It turned out the only way to play Tempest was to spec 3 defensive lines full bunker. Ele already had a top tier bunker spec that was D/D cele. We didn’t need another bunker spec. That was why people said it was useless.
None of our Zerker sets is remotely viable.
Ele now only has bunker builds. As soon as enough people complain about it and ANet nerf it, Ele will have no other viable build. Even a Berserker can eat a zerker Tempest for breakfast with Rifle spam.
Its funny when tempest just release ppl complain how useless it is and after a while people finally manage to figure out a meta build.
Because people were expecting a DPS build. It’s a Tempest for god sake, throwing tornadoes around. It turned out the only way to play Tempest was to spec 3 defensive lines full bunker. Ele already had a top tier bunker spec that was D/D cele. We didn’t need another bunker spec. That was why people said it was useless.
None of our Zerker sets is remotely viable.
Ele now only has bunker builds. As soon as enough people complain about it and ANet nerf it, Ele will have no other viable build. Even a Berserker can eat a zerker Tempest for breakfast with Rifle spam.
Umm…I main a tempest, and you definitely dont have to go full bunker with three defensive lines. I’ve been running auramncer with maruader, E/A/T and D/F since the elite specs launched and I have a ton of success with it. Definitely a more offensive oriented build, but it still benefits from all the active defenses and sustain from auras.
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if you’re playing a team and you know how to deal with enemy builds ele is no big problem. boon removal, interrupts, focus target, unblockable skills etc. play much bigger role now than before which is kind of a good thing though, even if it isn’t just on right balance yet..
elite specs are generally “op” compared to other builds but that’s another matter..
Having aura build lets you have the ability to apply permanent protection with spammable heals ontop of everything else.
Running that set up with celestial, PVT or Sentinal then yer, you will need atleast 2-3 people.
if you play reaper you should know you can solo ele with it with half decent build without even trying too much..
Without a doubt Reaper would have the best shot and would most likely come out ontop but the duration of that battle would be a waste unless you already had the cap point. I play both classes for roughly 2 hours a day, I’m not a pro, but I know better to not waste time in a 1v1 vs a Sentinal/Cele/PvT Ele, especially now since Aura share.
If this was WvW, yes I would waste the 1-5 minutes fighting the spec just for the sake of a “good duel”. But it’s PvP and constantly rotating for the +1 is essential in such a fast paced environment.
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
But Tempest isn’t exactly the problem here; it’s heal based sustain builds in general, and it’s been an issue since release. Ele just happens to promote the playstyle more so than other classes.
The game is not balanced 1v1 so often you get a build that does decent damage but can outlast most builds on the simple fact that a endlessly refilling health bar vs one that does not (regardless of how large the cap difference is) only one has limits to give.
Problem is all players strive for this, and when one build achieves it objectively better than everything else it dominates the meta and people will complain.
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Nope you can get Perma protection on your team if you run powerful auras, use sand squall, and earth overload (and allies stay in range) very easily with 0 boon duration from runes. You need warhorn though, or durability or leadership runes to work with D/F. I modeled the scenarios based on different skill rotations, runes, and and trait setups.
Yes, sure, but on everyone else the protection is still 30% damage reduction, the 40% damage reduction is just for the ele itself.
But Tempest isn’t exactly the problem here; it’s heal based sustain builds in general, and it’s been an issue since release. Ele just happens to promote the playstyle more so than other classes.
That’s because ele is the only class where healing IS the only sustain they have. Other classes, when built for sustain/tankyness, have blocks, low cooldown evades, stealth, stuff like that, plus some healing. Eles ONLY have healing so of course the healing needs to be way higher than on other sustain classes.
Which is how we ended up with how eles have been since the game. Either dominating or completely underpowered with just a few nerfs between those 2 states.
Just look at revenants who have almost as much sustain als cele eles in marauder amulet, and they get all that sustain through blocks and evades, they actually don’t have that much healing.
