played over 10k tourneys..
has being top 25 on soloq and teamq countless times..
whoever said medi guard is op he doesnt even know what pvp is.. go play dps guard on high level if u can.. prob most op classes atm are d/d cele ele and celestial rifle eng..
I love all the meditation guard OP comments. Must be why they run rampant in teamQ. Oh wait…
A Med Guardian can not bring a decent Ele’s health below 50% so not sure how they are OP.
A good guard can, actually. In fact i’ve seen “good” Ele’s fall to guards. That said, top tier tpvp is an entirely different playing field where there’s going to be different builds from both classes and not every guard and ele are going to be 1v1 oriented.
A great ele should never loose t any dps guard..i think i play dps guard as good as it gets and i rarely win against pro eles.. u prob talk about the bad ones cause this match up in the end is by far eles favor..
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I love all the meditation guard OP comments. Must be why they run rampant in teamQ. Oh wait…
A Med Guardian can not bring a decent Ele’s health below 50% so not sure how they are OP.
A good guard can, actually. In fact i’ve seen “good” Ele’s fall to guards. That said, top tier tpvp is an entirely different playing field where there’s going to be different builds from both classes and not every guard and ele are going to be 1v1 oriented.
As a guard main, I’ve gone and played celestial D/D Ele 0/2/0/6/6 spec in Spvp. You really shouldn’t be losing to one 1v1 especially when you know what you’re doing. Perma burn with Soft CC and might stacking makes them a cake walk, packed with sustain and mobility. 1v2-3’s however you’re going to have some trouble. I’ve played every class and even some of the OP titled specs. There are some classes/specs you will have utter hate for/playing against.
To add more into it, Medi guard is more about Cooldown management. if you blow everything, and there’s nothing off CD you’re more or less a sitting duck. 1v1’s they’re beast against most, team fights however you start to drop off.
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just a note;
SD SB bleed stack ranger pretty much counters DD Cele ele due to all the poison.That is all
Noone is OP, there is a counter for every meta build, even if said counter isn’t a popular choice
That only works in a duel won’t work in Team Que. Even in duels vs a really good d/d ele if you win its going to take you very long time and if that was in Team Que your not going to be able to hold cap and kill the ele before backup arrives and kills you.
theres basically a science to medi guard vs d/d ele that I’ve found after doing a ton of duels. basically you have to burn their AoE off the bat by landing BB and then immediately off cd land it again and land the WW burst. after that you have a 10% chance of killing them while their protection is down. pretty much the only way ive found.
@ Chaotic and Booms
Just because I don’t have a “high rank” doesn’t automatically disqualify anything I say. However, My list and the shot at meditation guards, was more tongue in cheek. If you are to believe the forums, then every profession, and every build is OP.
Also, while meditation guards may not be popular in high rank tpvp, I do see a fair number of them in the dredges of the lower ranks. My guess would be that it’s more a cheese build, and once players begin to improve and climb rank, they realize that meditation builds aren’t all that and a bag of chips and switch to something else.
Problem with medi guard is that they die too fast, I take so much damage that even when I down the npc engineer his autoattack from down state takes out 50+% of my hp real fast. You mess up or something you dead fast. Nothing op about it because its so easy to mess up.
Problem with AH guard is that they suck 1v1 and not reliable bunker especially when Mesmer or somebody specializing in damage dealing comes along and you do nothing to them while they slowly own you.
I find AH guard better in solo que than medi guard. Medi guard you get owned so fast in 2v2 or 1v2 or even 1v1 you don’t even contribute anything.
just a note;
SD SB bleed stack ranger pretty much counters DD Cele ele due to all the poison.That is all
Noone is OP, there is a counter for every meta build, even if said counter isn’t a popular choice
That only works in a duel won’t work in Team Que. Even in duels vs a really good d/d ele if you win its going to take you very long time and if that was in Team Que your not going to be able to hold cap and kill the ele before backup arrives and kills you.
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Tbh, S/D SB shouldn’t really outdps an eles sustain in any reasonable timeframe. Even A/D SB has a hard time doing it (against a decent ele).
Top OP professions:
Warrior (Hambow)
Elementalist (Celestial D/D)
Ranger (Longbow)
Engineer (Turret)
Thief (Just in general)
Necro (Minion and Terror)
Mesmer (Just in general)
Guardian (meditation)
I agree to this. I think this is just simple and clear op list. due to this limitation, i gave up using my favorite weapon set but just hambow, meaningless my warrior life :p. anet made op way like this so i had no other choices.
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Top OP professions:
Warrior (Hambow)
Elementalist (Celestial D/D)
Ranger (Longbow)
Engineer (Turret)
Thief (Just in general)
Necro (Minion and Terror)
Mesmer (Just in general)
Guardian (meditation)I agree to this. I think this is just simple and clear op list. due to this limitation, i gave up using my favorite weapon set but just hambow, meaningless my warrior life :p. anet made op way like this so i had no other choices.
lol…
either everthing is op or you two are just bad
take your pick
just a note;
SD SB bleed stack ranger pretty much counters DD Cele ele due to all the poison.That is all
Noone is OP, there is a counter for every meta build, even if said counter isn’t a popular choice
That only works in a duel won’t work in Team Que. Even in duels vs a really good d/d ele if you win its going to take you very long time and if that was in Team Que your not going to be able to hold cap and kill the ele before backup arrives and kills you.
EU teamQ, been taking down DD cele eles for a month now. Not saying it is child’s play, but it ain’t half as hard as most people claim it to be. It really is a l2p and l2dodge thing. Took me a couple of weeks to learn how to fight the DD cele ele. Take your time, do not stress, and even if they get help. Keep pressuring. Most players do the mistake of relaxing when a ally is nearby as they think said ally will be there to res them when puppies hit the fan.
Oh, and btw. I do not play on a real team (yet). I pug/solo join teamQ. If the guys i play with has TS or skype, great. If not, im on my own against guild teams. So ya. You either learn to swim on your own, or drown trying.
Top OP professions:
Warrior (Hambow)
Elementalist (Celestial D/D)
Ranger (Longbow)
Engineer (Turret)
Thief (Just in general)
Necro (Minion and Terror)
Mesmer (Just in general)
Guardian (meditation)I agree to this. I think this is just simple and clear op list. due to this limitation, i gave up using my favorite weapon set but just hambow, meaningless my warrior life :p. anet made op way like this so i had no other choices.
lol…
either everthing is op or you two are just bad
take your pick
I think I am just bad :P
Although I do alright on my necro and ranger, then I do on my warrior or ele
Any tanky DPS or high survivability with high damage, or survivability with an abundance of cleave/AoE..
Mostly things like Medi Guards, Celestial Engie/Ele and Regen/BM Rangers.
If you are going to defend be defensive, you don’t get to melt glass while they struggle to break you. If you are going to be offensive you shouldn’t get to dance around on point against heavy damage.
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When I said med guard I meant I struggle to fight the top ones as a Mesmer. For me I struggle to fight them, I don’t think they’re op in other regards.
When I said med guard I meant I struggle to fight the top ones as a Mesmer. For me I struggle to fight them, I don’t think they’re op in other regards.
I consistently struggle the most against Eles.My Med Guardian seems like it does well and when they hit half health they just heal back to full, my Engi has all his turrets nuked down and my Warrior does the best but they just clear off his burning pretty easily and he seems to tickle them more than anything.
Well played theives are just full on tough if not impossible. Various thief builds counter different things and they can be really hard depending on your build and theirs.
Shatter Mesmer when played well can kill anyone.
I don’t know if theif or mesmer are OP I just find some of the builds tough match ups for the sort of tanky class I usually play. I kinda feel Ele might be a little strong atm, but time will tell.
Engi and Ele at the top.
A step down from that Necro.
Half a step down from that is Guard, War and Thief.
Just a tad under them is Ranger and Mesmer
From 1v1 POV
- med guard, blind, aegis and heal spamming is just crazy, even pve ppl can play it effectively
- celestial ele with might stacking
That link you have in your signature is HILARIOUS!
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Thanks.
Med Guard is pretty much useless in teams. (It’s actually worse than useless in that it needs escorting and doesn’t bring anything to justify it)
I’ve messaged the people who utterly beat me in 1v1 duels, if they use that build in tpvp and almost all of them say no. It’s the reason I can beat most classes 1v1 in tpvp…including d/d celes ele’s, crate engi’s and mesmers…They all just spec differently in tpvp, or they use different classes all together.
Med Guard is pretty much useless in teams. (It’s actually worse than useless in that it needs escorting and doesn’t bring anything to justify it)
I made a guardian exclusive guild. Our 5man guardian team are currently 8 and 2. Last 3 games we all went zerk medi and it was kitten fun!
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I’ve messaged the people who utterly beat me in 1v1 duels, if they use that build in tpvp and almost all of them say no. It’s the reason I can beat most classes 1v1 in tpvp…including d/d celes ele’s, crate engi’s and mesmers…They all just spec differently in tpvp, or they use different classes all together.
Med Guard is pretty much useless in teams. (It’s actually worse than useless in that it needs escorting and doesn’t bring anything to justify it)
I made a guardian exclusive guild. Our 5man guardian team are currently 8 and 2. Last 3 games we all went zerk medi and it was kitten fun!
I know it isn’t what you were saying muffin but fun =/= viable, trust me :P
Med Guard is pretty much useless in teams. (It’s actually worse than useless in that it needs escorting and doesn’t bring anything to justify it)
I totally agree with you.
I think Med guard has an extremely high skill cap to play it as powerful as people make it seem, its not easy to play.
I have champ title in all the other professions and if I cant play a stupid med guard than the skill cap is too high, so stop yapping about ‘oh its a build anyone could play and own people without skills’
What somebody else said, cant remember who, but if you can survive and dish out damage than the build is strong… Med guard is so squishy that it couldn’t even hold a point so they are defiantly not op.
I like hambow the most, just fun to have good survivability, stuns, and dish out damage too. Med guard requires too much knowing if your enemy is burning, knowing if you have aegis up. Too much looking at the condi’s on your enemy and looking at your boons and not enough of actually playing the game. I’m not someone who constantly looks at condi’s and boon’s and I assure you the majority of players don’t do that either. Now I’ll glance quickly to see if they got stability and stuff like that up, but constantly making sure that they burning, and seeing if I got aegis and looking at there position to see if I can do something on them, that’s a lot of stuff, you gotta be pro to play this build. High skill cap build. I’m just trying to get the friggin champ title. I’m going back AH guardian, a lot easier to play, I just focus on giving boons and running in circles surviving and not watching my enemy’s condi’s, my own boons, and there positions.
I thought this game was where you see everything, I might not notice but if you can see them burning I don’t notice it (well sometimes), if you can see yourself have aegis I don’t notice it. If that’s a problem it needs to get addressed, that way I can play that build better because I’m not constantly trying to look at 3 different things and rather just look at my enemy and I’ll oversee the boons I currently have without looking at the boon bar.
But med guard op? Nope, just like a thief, it could be good but requires high skill level of playing. I don’t like dying in a couple seconds either, I prefer bunker type build where I can at least survive for a good 30 seconds or so when getting pound town by enemy team. Med guard is just asking for roflstomp if you aint skilled, stay away from this build unless you have a high skill level and good at looking at many things at once and knowing combos to do. Heck its even like playing fresh air ele, takes a lot of skills.
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