Guild Wars 2

If you ever want pvp to be skillful then reward people for landing their abilities and not this nonsense which the community is complaining about for over a year and you manage to ignore successfully:

Can I have your stuff if you quit?

dude it looks like you just got outplayed

learn to dodge those passives, bro.

kdaddy.5431:

dude it looks like you just got outplayed

lol… you know who Orange Logo are right…

choovanski.5462:

kdaddy.5431:

dude it looks like you just got outplayed

lol… you know who Orange Logo are right…

I do, it doesnt mean he isnt getting lazy or using a build that doesnt work. My favorite class is warrior and if i use a utility skills warrior and say im done with this game because the skills i like for my class are absolutely useless in pvp, what are you going to say to me?

If you look at the list he getting his with some normal attacks and we also dont know the dmg hes putting out or the cleansing hes trying to use in those moments. If OE came on here right now to say he full of it would we stop and say OE can say what ever he wants?

No you take each situation as its own and look at the facts given and make your assumption on what happened. This dude could be the best gw2 player ever but maybe hes just frustrated with the passive play style of dmg in the game. Him showing the dmg of attacks for *X k dmg doesnt help anything.

he was showing the sigil procs man

ohhhh i see them but i assume that everyone is at least using one of the 2 since they made it so you can use both at the same time, got to watch out for people dodge rolling into you

Honestly, though, what do we expect from a game where people can win a 50k pvp tournament by being lucky enough to be the last hit on an npc?

Boggs.6482:

Honestly, though, what do we expect from a game where people can win a 50k pvp tournament by being lucky enough to be the last hit on an npc?

^ that is literally video games though.

choovanski.5462:

Boggs.6482:

Honestly, though, what do we expect from a game where people can win a 50k pvp tournament by being lucky enough to be the last hit on an npc?

^ that is literally video games though.

It wouldn’t be if we had 3v3 arenas Kappa

Celestial ele crying about passive play LOL.

Boggs.6482:

choovanski.5462:

Boggs.6482:

Honestly, though, what do we expect from a game where people can win a 50k pvp tournament by being lucky enough to be the last hit on an npc?

^ that is literally video games though.

It wouldn’t be if we had 3v3 arenas Kappa

Well, I’ve always wanted 2v2 arena, but I’ll take what I can get.

Oh, turns out all we can get is NPC DEATH RACEEEEE how’s that guys?

Yes the passive are annoying but…in a majority of those breakdowns it looks like you are being hit by multiple targets, so shouldn’t you die anyways?

Boggs.6482:

choovanski.5462:

Boggs.6482:

Honestly, though, what do we expect from a game where people can win a 50k pvp tournament by being lucky enough to be the last hit on an npc?

^ that is literally video games though.

It wouldn’t be if we had 3v3 arenas Kappa

the problem discussed in this topic would exist in all game-modes; not every discussion needs to be about arena. -.-°

and yepp, those random procs need to go:

- too random
- too bursty
- unavoidable
- heavily favouring certain builds/playstyles
- no skill needed

A celestial user crying about sigils. Because cele ele is so skillful. Sit down.

He never said that cele ele takes skill though. We all already know that cele ele and cele warr/engi takes no skill but at least you cant take 5k random damage every 5 seconds.
And with those procs it lowers the skill cap of other classes too like thief/necro/guard

If you asked me 1 year ago if thief takes skill I woulda said yes. But in the current state the vamp rune panic strike thief is really faceroll due to its OP damage with sigils and high survivability

Same with necro. Gets a full LF bar and then starts spamming 8k autoattacks with air/fire spinals shivers. Medi guard is also one of the easiest builds in the game, spamming random buttons that are mostly insta cast and then relying on passives procs to hit 6-8k damage in one second.

Zerker builds are actually catching up the celestial builds in terms of being easy and effective because of passives.

wait what wait wait wait…cele can be killed???? o.O
Anet pls buff Ele, Engi and War, cuz they to weak!!!!!!!!! We need more Stats on Cele AND Zerker nerf to the ground and remove fire,air. THX
Btw. where does this Burning come from? Maybe IP or Ele or War?? =P

kdaddy.5431:

choovanski.5462:

kdaddy.5431:

dude it looks like you just got outplayed

lol… you know who Orange Logo are right…

I do, it doesnt mean he isnt getting lazy or using a build that doesnt work. My favorite class is warrior and if i use a utility skills warrior and say im done with this game because the skills i like for my class are absolutely useless in pvp, what are you going to say to me?

If you look at the list he getting his with some normal attacks and we also dont know the dmg hes putting out or the cleansing hes trying to use in those moments. If OE came on here right now to say he full of it would we stop and say OE can say what ever he wants?

No you take each situation as its own and look at the facts given and make your assumption on what happened. This dude could be the best gw2 player ever but maybe hes just frustrated with the passive play style of dmg in the game. Him showing the dmg of attacks for *X k dmg doesnt help anything.

The problem is.. the game is taking less and less skill in a sense that it is becoming more anti-fun than anything. That’s the whole root of the problem.

Like ANET is NOT doing a good job at attracting casual players either with how they are making the game more “available” for casuals.

Gotta dodge those opens from 1500 range out of stealth with passive procs and insta spikes for 15k. Gotta dodge it!

lol, this game is stupid. Love how people think they are pro doing a stealth spike with a thief/mesmer too. Like its about 3 buttons. Its easier than anything else in the game. Even cele.

Not that cele warrior isnt brainless though. That needs nerfing too.

wow so rich. love your gear. those skins are expensive. wow. so great. what dungeon?

OP…

The fact that the biggest numbers shown in ur death breakdown just show the most common skills/conditions/procs in pvp

U get hit by 6 light strikes cuz u had a zerker ranger/zerker mesmer and a thief that hit you with 10 trick shots…

Even if u removed Air/Fire sigil, you would die to the most common name like Bleeding/Burning

stop defending something so obviously stupid. it doesn’t kitteng matter if op tanked a mirror blade or guard hammer #2, just open your eyes and look at the damage sources.

No doubt Sigils is what’s beating you.

It’s not the 3k Pry Bar that hit you once.
or the 2x Mighty Blow you failed to dodge… twice.
or that one 4k Rush you took to the face.

It’s those 5 or 7 procs of 900 damage that you took in 30 seconds, right?
Darn the luck!

You didn’t clear 14000 worth of burning damage(yes THOUSAND). LOL. That just invalidates your post.

Some VERY easily avoided skills that you should not have been hit by.
Prybar.
Rush.
8 hits of hundred blades, WTF. LOL
Not to mention most of these show you were heavily outnumbered most likely.

Choose your battles, that will help you manage your HP pool.

GrandHaven.1052:

You didn’t clear 14000 worth of burning damage(yes THOUSAND). LOL. That just invalidates your post.

Some VERY easily avoided skills that you should not have been hit by.
Prybar.
Rush.
8 hits of hundred blades, WTF. LOL
Not to mention most of these show you were heavily outnumbered most likely.

Choose your battles, that will help you manage your HP pool.

I’m not sure you’re qualified to lecture a guy who plays for oRNG.

Aktium.9506:

GrandHaven.1052:

You didn’t clear 14000 worth of burning damage(yes THOUSAND). LOL. That just invalidates your post.

Some VERY easily avoided skills that you should not have been hit by.
Prybar.
Rush.
8 hits of hundred blades, WTF. LOL
Not to mention most of these show you were heavily outnumbered most likely.

Choose your battles, that will help you manage your HP pool.

I’m not sure you’re qualified to lecture a guy who plays for oRNG.

That’s rude. He was just trying to be helpful

Aktium.9506:

GrandHaven.1052:

You didn’t clear 14000 worth of burning damage(yes THOUSAND). LOL. That just invalidates your post.

Some VERY easily avoided skills that you should not have been hit by.
Prybar.
Rush.
8 hits of hundred blades, WTF. LOL
Not to mention most of these show you were heavily outnumbered most likely.

Choose your battles, that will help you manage your HP pool.

I’m not sure you’re qualified to lecture a guy who plays for oRNG.

It doesn’t take a super 1337 pro to realize that the 900dmg sigil proc isn’t what is killing him in these situations. Look at some of the attacks he took to the face. With out without the procs, he would have been dead.

Drennon.7190:

Aktium.9506:

GrandHaven.1052:

You didn’t clear 14000 worth of burning damage(yes THOUSAND). LOL. That just invalidates your post.

Some VERY easily avoided skills that you should not have been hit by.
Prybar.
Rush.
8 hits of hundred blades, WTF. LOL
Not to mention most of these show you were heavily outnumbered most likely.

Choose your battles, that will help you manage your HP pool.

I’m not sure you’re qualified to lecture a guy who plays for oRNG.

It doesn’t take a super 1337 pro to realize that the 900dmg sigil proc isn’t what is killing him in these situations. Look at some of the attacks he took to the face. With out without the procs, he would have been dead.

Exactly.
Granted, he’s likely to get hit with a single Pry Bar, Hundred Blades or any other high damaging skill because no one’s Superman. He can’t dodge every skill in a zerg scenario lasting 30-40 seconds. But the fact remains; he still got hit with these skills.

The point is, those skills are dodgeable/cleansible while a 900 damage sigil isn’t. To be honest, these sigils should be removed from the damage screen as they’re not going to be reworked anytime soon. ArenaNet is understaffed and a rework would take too much development time. They’re not going to remove sigils completely as it’s a huge diversity option people like to have and ArenaNet likes diversity (i do too).

Yes, I agree that every aspect of this game should be “skill based” but lets face it, there’s going to be random procs in some form or fashion .
If they remove sigils, they’ll likely have to increase Berzerker damage by 300 dps to balance things. The damage would have to come from some where. Again, too much work.

Many people need to learn to accept that Air/Fire sigils is an expectancy when someone autos. It’s no more random than an auto attack from across the screen. If it hits you, it’s going to hurt. Because Zerkers.

Looking at the death breakdown, he did probably (while he was outnumbered) dodge a lot of heavy attacks. And he would’ve survived without all the passive procs.

And he probably did cleanse the burning, but its just so easily re-applied.

These death breakdowns show the “Top Skills”. As you can see, these are the skills that dealt the largest amount of damage. The lightning strikes + flame blasts don’t come out of nowhere.

So most of you guys are saying: “dodge the autoattacks aswell nub” (Which are not shown in the death breakdown, because they aren’t key skills anyone should dodge).

Blackjack after you farm some more money off of Anet you should just quit. It was the best decision I made in this game.

Make sigils not proc on auto-attacks. Problem solved.

Procs are still lame. They should be what helps get kills, not what gets the kill.

I don’t get this. People say nodeholders (cele at the moment) are too strong and they needed to be killed, in that case air and fire sigil proc help a lot.
Now people who play with zerker amulet who should be wanted to kill other classes as quick as possible to win matches are complaining about their ability to kill other class fast with help of sigil proc.
Can someone make sense of this? And possibly propose a few solution other than going back to the hambow/cleric guardian/ele meta?

Yeah, burn spam + fire + air sigils. Pretty much sums up the game.

That’s the thing with ALL passive procs in this game, not just sigils, but traits too. Unlike, say, swap sigils, where you can waste them by missing, proc sigils are also incredibly safe. They’re “unavoidable” bonus damage with absolutely no tell and can’t have their CDs wasted because they require the hit/crit to even work. Personally, I’m just sad they didn’t take more advantage of this trait rework and actually fix some of the procciness of the game and make traits a bit more interesting.

TheFamster.7806:

I don’t get this. People say nodeholders (cele at the moment) are too strong and they needed to be killed, in that case air and fire sigil proc help a lot.
Now people who play with zerker amulet who should be wanted to kill other classes as quick as possible to win matches are complaining about their ability to kill other class fast with help of sigil proc.
Can someone make sense of this? And possibly propose a few solution other than going back to the hambow/cleric guardian/ele meta?

Give all the sigils/traits more VERY SPECIFIC activation requirements, so that a random fart doesn’t end up doing 10k. Alternatively, make the most used sigils give more SUSTAINED DAMAGE that is on-par with current damage with air/fire if you land your burst.

The level of sustain from other classes then can be balanced around the reasonable damage output (with telegraphs) from dps builds. As it is now, everything is balanced around a bunch of stupid procs that are frustrating, skill-less, and damaging to the game.

wear none metal armor to avoid lighting strike ? :P I agree with you but if they got rid of the passives it would kitten zerk builds even more and everyone would be cele.

Mogar.9216:

wear none metal armor to avoid lighting strike ? :P I agree with you but if they got rid of the passives it would kitten zerk builds even more and everyone would be cele.

Cele is confirmed getting nerfed and in no way does being glass cannon need to always be compensated. It’s been the primary stat choice outside of the occasional condi or cele build. And they have more stats just like cele does over standard 3 stat ammies. If anything both need nerfed anyways, and if they were to do it, nerfing the passive procs would be the best way to handle it imo. Would rather that than keeping the procs and nerfing skillful things.

I think you just need to change up your play; you’re getting hit for 18k+ from those Vapor Forms.

/s