Guild Wars 2

To attract more players I think they should have another free trial for PvP. Or if anything, a PvP only option to buy the game with restrictions (such as armor, npcs, and a max rank). If they implemented this, more people could buy the game for cheaper if they only want it for PvP and we can have more people tryin it out. Just a suggestion of course

good idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eDin.8369:

If they don’t want to rework the whole “tournament-system” (which means only ONE map instead of three per queue), than this is the only way I see for them reattracting people back for GW2 pvp.

I really hope SAtaarcoeny’s suggestions is getting the attention it deserves!

yes this is a way to allow anet to keep tournaments around.

they need to make sure that you can play a competative game 24/7.
so when the game fails on at least 8 full teams running, anet will have it difficult to get a working ladder system successfully implementated.

imo a split from premades and randoms is necessary. content for lower team sizes’d be more then welcome!

All of that sounds good i really like the rewards, i would deffinatly do more paids !

Representing the GASMASKNATION !!

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@happy. i fell you bro this game has been making even the best of us fell a little pesimistic but more paids would pop you wont have to worry about sitting around the mist as much anymore for 2 reasons.
1: more teams will q because of the second reason so you can be in q faster
2: teams will be able to play every map and get better nomatter the outcome
3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX07j9SDFcc (i hope everyone laughs here)

Thanks sataar, also I didnt mention this but, sataar but your support for this spvp community is unparalleled and I’m sure someday you’ll get recognized for it. In the meantime I hope this gets implemented.

/agree , signed, ect , whatever.

I had a similar suggestion here
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/A-simple-way-to-improve-paid-tournaments/first#post1013762
,however I think your suggestion is much simpler to implement.

For this to work,the rewards need to be decent for all placements,otherwise people will forfeit(afk) if they lose the first round.
I think your reward suggestions cover that, so i think this is a good idea for the devs to consider.

/signed

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

after doing pug paids and playing with alot of new ppl latly my point on needing an advanced playlist because of ppl needing to learn how to play was just re confirmed.

putting a ladder into this game right now is going to utterly kill it. there is noone ready for it. i can say maybe 2 teams are ready to compete in a ladder but we will absolutley idominate everyone else and they are going to get discouraged and then it ill be worse then it is now cause noone will q for ladder because they know ladder matters and looking bad on a ranking system wont fly with ppl.

i never get replies from devs on these types of posts but can i get a reply on this one if its possible or what your thoughs are?

i had the number one pvp team on SWTOR and this is what happened we win all the time 99% win rate then ranked comes out cause ppl was crying they want ranked (but noone was able to practice with 8 ppl for ranked) then we won 90% of ranked every team quit but 3 so it got boreing and we quit for GW2

if ppl dont have more time to practice ladder wont help infact its going to make less teams imo. and everyone that disagrees with me is wrong.

Guild name and server on SWTOR?

So I am assuming this would be more like a losers bracket with the paids? Why not with frees to. Overall I think that sounds like a grand idea

This is possible the best idea I’ve read on these forums. We can only hope anet devs see this.

it discourages players from grouping with new people because they feel like they wasted all their tickets as soon as they lose the first round. Its silly. Please implement the proposed changes.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so all 8 teams play yes? then 4 are kicked out the game (stupid idea for a game were u have to wait for 1-3 hours to play paid) then 2 more kicked out then 1 winner?

so 2 teams get to practice all 3 maps against good teams great but stupid for the other 6 teams.

how about the 8 teams play 4 lose then the 4 winning teams go against eachother in 2 legacy maps. but lets have the 4 losers go against eachother in leagacy also.

then the 2 winning legacy teams play for 1st and second place in kylo like normal but have the 2 losing teams play in kylo for 3rd and 4th place.

then from the losing side the winners of legacy play for 5-6 place and the losers play eachother for 7-8th place in kylo.

lets record in stats what places ppl get from 1-8th place (most ppl will play just for bragging rights)

1st place = 120 gems
2nd place =100 gems
3rd place = 80gems
4th place = 70gems
5th place = 3 tickets 20 gems
6th place = 3 tickets
7th place = 2 tickets 10 gems
8th place = 2 tickets

I’m honestly not sure why it isn’t like this currently. Beautiful idea, SAtaar.

yes, great suggestion.

this is very similar to how street fighter tourneys work, a winner’s bracket & loser’s bracket, except the final matchup is attained a bit differently.

the winner of winner’s finals goes ahead to grand finals.
the winner of loser’s finals fights the loser of winner’s finals to determine who goes ahead to grand finals.

that might be a bit too convoluted for this tourney system with map rotations, but the point is that successful e-sport games already adopt a system like sataar is suggesting to good effect.

this idea rly needs to be put to use, sounds real solid

My team is on break from the game until ratings come out, but I still like to mess around with build ideas I get so I will log on and solo/duo queue free tournaments. Leavers are extremely abundant in pug groups in free tournaments and I think having this system for free tournaments would create a frustrating experience for pug groups. In paid tournaments you need to have a full team to queue and you shouldn’t have any people rage quitting after a loss so I think it is a great idea there.

OneArmedBandit.7936:

+1

Was playing paid pugs for the past 1.5 hours and got teamed up against Super Squad lads three times in a row, which obviously left us with gaping buttholes and shattered dreams. QQ

Indeed, worse was that we couldn’t get past Legacy.

My team would definitely play more paid if it would be like that. We are stomping 95% of the teams in free tournament, but have not passed 2nd round in paid for a long time. Most of the time we are playing against teams who are much worse than us or much better, so not much to learn there. Encouraging more teams to play paid may be a solution to this problem. When the risk is not that high people might also join paids with their B-team if the A-team isn’t complete.

So, +1.

To be honest I think it’s way simpler than that.

Paid tournaments should be temporarily CLOSED until 2 weeks before the montly tournaments. Meanwhile, free tournaments should see the addition of elo rating & matchmaking.

What I propose is something like that:

- 30 February: Monthly tournament. QP & tickets set back to 0.
- 1-15 March: Paids are disabled. Teams play free tournaments for 2 weeks, they work on their elo and “farm” enough tickets for the paids “season”. Since tickets are resetted monthly, it’s very important to earn 50-60 tickets during those weeks. Also, top teams fight each other (thanks elo rating) and can prepare their counters for the upcoming weeks.

- 16-30 March: Paids are reopened. Top teams compete during 14 days to get as much QP as possible since they want to take part in the monthly tournaments. Meanwhile, the casual crowd can keep playing free tournaments (working on their strategies, team and elo).

- 31 March: Monthly tournament. Teams with the highest amount of QPs join. Also: QPs & tickets set back to 0.
—> Repeat.

My reasons:
1) Instead of separating people in free & paid as we do now, it gets everyone together. This gives a healthy population playing competitive PvP without ticket costs while protected & rewarded by the elo rating.
2) If paid tournaments are closed for 2 weeks people wont be able to farm the crazy amount of 700+ QP that is impossible to beat for a new team (even if they are Really good).
3) The free tournament weeks allow big teams to try new strategies, new members, etc.
4) The paid tournaments weeks encourage streaming.
5) Anet wont lose $$ since I’m pretty sure that some people interested in monthly tournaments will buy a few gems (for tickets) since they didnt have time to play the first two weeks. They will see it as an inversion, since they might win the monthly (who knows…)

Once again, to make this work it is very important to:
1) Reset QP every month
2) Reset tickets every month
3) Disable paid tournaments the first 2 weeks of the month
4) Add elo rating to free tournaments

@Kaylogin i agree man it needs to be up 24/7 otherwise we lose the ppl that cant play

@masterk thats what we need to hear. this is here to get more ppl doing paids

@onemanarmy yeah i was thinking ppl might afk also but from what 100% of ppl told me this will be a way to practice and if they record places 1-8 in your stats ppl will go hard the whole tournament

@goob. Server rakata mind prison guild = URTFC then transfered to the bastion guild=Momento mori. i played with knives, taodin, shrubby, gannacus, and we would get hidden fortress ppl or ppl from the boss’s guild

@eonxbonx im sure that if enough ppl want it for frees it could work. it would actually help frees also. but with ppl afking and leaving more so in frees i would see a lot of dicouragement and maybe need a way to report it. (dont q if you cant play, but IRL stuff happens)

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

jokes

agree

-Icifyr

@penguinechoed im sure they already read it ands are waiting until after the holidays to respond. i know they will be glad to do it so they can keep there tournament system in place.

@hans. your team would benefit from this greatly. i only seen u in kylo once and know the outcome would have been different if you had had more time to practice kylo competitively.

@salt. ty bro

@faeral. i never played any other tournament type games but i did play sports my whole life and they dont just hand out random places that were not earned. i say if someone wants 3rd or 4th place they need to earn it not hope the team that beat them earns it for them.

@wise its really hard to take what you say into account with the name wise then your opening sentence but i will reply anywayz we all have earned far over 20,000 gems as it is but have yet to want anything to do with pve sp dont worry about us coming over to pve and trying to ruin 2012 pve of the year.

in the nfl everyone plays every week. what you are saying is that the best nfl teams shouldnt go against the worst. it makes no sence.

in this new tournament setting any 8 registered teams go in and the places 1-8 show what you deserve anet should not try and make ppl belieave they deserve more then they do. thats the problem with frees.

and lastly saying top players dont need the practice and should have to wait longer is the exact opposite of how i fell. i want to play more and get better (i know im sataarcoeny how can i get better, but im sure there is something i might be able to work on)

i think you should read everyones posts and ponder on it. if you still fell the same way great but i want to see another reply from wise after u read all the replys.

@seether so do you think if they bring this in your team would come off break and start playing again bro?

@miko this way you will always get past legacy and you can start working on strats for it. that would be very discouraging getting map 1 down perfect making out to 2nd map figuring it out for a month just to get to kylo and be clueless. gl bro

@azadoras yes thats what we want to hear. and great point. ppl would bring in friends to help them get better without worrying about wasting 1 hour and 5 tickets just for a 5 min game.

@reroll ppl have already told me about your reply and its hated by top players for the fact that we cant stand free tournaments. we are pushing paid so hard because free no longer fulfills our needs in GW2. most us either dont sign in or sit in the mist all day until paids pop. ty for your reply though and like my advanced post i did a while back us being in free actually hurts the community more then brings it together.

@ice yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss u agree

I like it . /sign

I think it would really make tournaments more rewarding, and it won’t feel like you’re bashing your head against a wall losing round 2 over and over.

Baam.2493:

I think it would really make tournaments more rewarding, and it won’t feel like you’re bashing your head against a wall losing round 2 over and over.

lol great reply. i pitcure ppl bashing there head now in round 2

I think if they made the changes mentioned and also lowered the cost of paids to 2-3 tickets, there would be a lot more people joining. I haven’t played paids in about a month just cause it costs too kitten much. With the current system, the only people getting a lot of tickets are the people that are winning.

Eagle = Top teams

Goat = Everybody else

This is why we need a Ladder asap and forget the structure of it. No need to redo what they have in place for PvP until they separate the prey from the predators.

Wise.8025:

Eagle = Top teams

Goat = Everybody else

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VklTs-Tid_I

This is why we need a Ladder asap and forget the structure of it. No need to redo what they have in place for PvP until they separate the prey from the predators.

i would build a fence around the cliff for the goat or tell him not to stand by the edge. i wouldnt tell him not to go outside because there is eagles around

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so all 8 teams play yes? then 4 are kicked out the game (stupid idea for a game were u have to wait for 1-3 hours to play paid) then 2 more kicked out then 1 winner?

so 2 teams get to practice all 3 maps against good teams great but stupid for the other 6 teams.

how about the 8 teams play 4 lose then the 4 winning teams go against eachother in 2 legacy maps. but lets have the 4 losers go against eachother in leagacy also.

then the 2 winning legacy teams play for 1st and second place in kylo like normal but have the 2 losing teams play in kylo for 3rd and 4th place.

then from the losing side the winners of legacy play for 5-6 place and the losers play eachother for 7-8th place in kylo.

lets record in stats what places ppl get from 1-8th place (most ppl will play just for bragging rights)

1st place = 120 gems
2nd place =100 gems
3rd place = 80gems
4th place = 70gems
5th place = 3 tickets 20 gems
6th place = 3 tickets
7th place = 2 tickets 10 gems
8th place = 2 tickets

+1. Talked about this with some people yesterday it seems like an outstanding idea.

I hope something like this does get the attention of the devs. Any tourney style system needs a winners and losers bracket. Otherwise you waste so much time sitting around waiting for the next tourney to start.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@seether so do you think if they bring this in your team would come off break and start playing again bro?

To be honest it, it won’t bring my team back. We are a developed team and at this point we are wanting to play for more than just practice or QPs. I think your idea is a great system for letting new teams get more practice but at the end of the day they are playing still playing for QPs and not ratings. This is why I think your system is a great temporary solution while everyone waits on the rating system debut.

Seether.7285:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@seether so do you think if they bring this in your team would come off break and start playing again bro?

To be honest it, it won’t bring my team back. We are a developed team and at this point we are wanting to play for more than just practice or QPs. I think your idea is a great system for letting new teams get more practice but at the end of the day they are playing still playing for QPs and not ratings. This is why I think your system is a great temporary solution while everyone waits on the rating system debut.

Why is rating so important for your team other than bragging rights? Am I the only person that actually enjoys pvp for the sake that it is pvp?

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@eonxbonx im sure that if enough ppl want it for frees it could work. it would actually help frees also. but with ppl afking and leaving more so in frees i would see a lot of dicouragement and maybe need a way to report it. (dont q if you cant play, but IRL stuff happens)

Agreed. If they can find a way to solve the afk players in frees then maybe. But first it should probably be implemented in paids to get people playing them.

Yep, thats a great idea

Khalifahaze.6045:

Why is rating so important for your team other than bragging rights? Am I the only person that actually enjoys pvp for the sake that it is pvp?

I figure everyone who is still playing spvp right now is doing it simply for the sake that it’s fun. Right now there is no reason to play except for the experience and the will to improve. That shows promise, and that’s why everyone wants features because most if not everyone at least wants to improve on that experience. It’s hard watching pvp this good in an mmo fail.

Seether.7285:

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

@seether so do you think if they bring this in your team would come off break and start playing again bro?

To be honest it, it won’t bring my team back. We are a developed team and at this point we are wanting to play for more than just practice or QPs. I think your idea is a great system for letting new teams get more practice but at the end of the day they are playing still playing for QPs and not ratings. This is why I think your system is a great temporary solution while everyone waits on the rating system debut.

as long as you are ready and will compete in the ladder thats my main concern. i fell most teams will see the ladder be happy 1-2 days lose then stop playing. i want more then 3-4 teams playing ladders. i want them poping all day so im hoping this idea from this post will help more teams get ready

Walorx.5129:

To attract more players I think they should have another free trial for PvP. Or if anything, a PvP only option to buy the game with restrictions (such as armor, npcs, and a max rank). If they implemented this, more people could buy the game for cheaper if they only want it for PvP and we can have more people tryin it out. Just a suggestion of course

This is probably the only way for them to get the game back on track. But first they have to fix a number of issues at entry level so new players actually stick around and don’t instantly write the game off.

I also agree with Seether, there is a number of good players that have said they might come back if a proper ranking system was in place. Pushing the tournament system wouldn’t bring them back. It is more of a temporary fix.

But these are two issues at two separate levels of play and is going to be a lot of work for the dev team considering these areas haven’t really been shown to be their expertise.

Honestly though scrimming is really fun, if you are on good terms with the other teams. It is the best way to really try out new things and get feedback on how a match went. The game doesn’t offer very many other goals anyways other than improving as a player.

Sounds nice….but

when will there be…
Exp gain in pvp (even if booster based)
PvE chests with exclusive “can’t get anywhere else” loot.
Ascended loot in pvp (that will get ppl playing)

Might as well attract people to the format to begin with.
Those who play just because they enjoy PvP, are either already playing or in WvW.

Khalifahaze.6045:

Why is rating so important for your team other than bragging rights? Am I the only person that actually enjoys pvp for the sake that it is pvp?

There are more factors at work than merely just ratings being released which lead to my teams hiatus. My team formed with the expectation that ArenaNet was going to make GW2 an E-Sport and that PvP was going to be a high priority for the development team. We put in many hours in beta and playing live in a game that often had many glaring bugs. We sat in paid queues often lasting over an hour to then face multiple teams using block bugs and Svanir rune exploits. We refused to use these bugs and beat many of the teams who made it part of their core strategies, we reported the bugs and had to wait over a month for a fix to something destroying the integrity of the game.

After seeing notes for the November Patch and hearing the State of the Game interview we knew that this game is still essentially in a beta state and will remain so for some time. There is a glaring lack of viable builds for each class, team compositions are extremely rigid as well and the progress since release on both of these issues has been minimal to non-existent. Based on the time line which was alluded to in the State of the Game interview, when ratings are released is when they will finally announce the monthly tournaments and yearly tournament which is expected to have a monetary payout. At this point my team will evaluate the state of the game and most likely begin playing competitively once again.

While I enjoy PvPing in this game, I find the current meta really boring and stale and I hope they make the changes necessary to make more team compositions viable. (Remove mesmer portal plz)

Wow this is a pretty great idea. Losing first match is a really big turn off.

This idea has actually been something I’ve thought about a few times – its nice to see someone taking the initiative to put themselves out there and get the opinions of others, as well as, show arena-net some alternatives to the current structure.

I will agree that this game is still in its infant stages and this is something most players are not understanding. People seem to think that this game should automatically be where League of Legends is when it comes to tPvP which is just silly. I use League of Legends as a example because that’s what most people are trying to compare this game to when it comes to Esports. League of Legends was no where near ready for Esports when it first came out – it took over a year for it to get to that point.

We need to support this kind of thread and help arena-net get its game on the right track, as well as, help them make the changes that are needed for them to have a chance as an Esport.

TL:DR – Be patient and support these threads to help arena-net get on the right track and become a fruitful Esport. This game is still new don’t forget that.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

so all 8 teams play yes? then 4 are kicked out the game (stupid idea for a game were u have to wait for 1-3 hours to play paid) then 2 more kicked out then 1 winner?

so 2 teams get to practice all 3 maps against good teams great but stupid for the other 6 teams.

how about the 8 teams play 4 lose then the 4 winning teams go against eachother in 2 legacy maps. but lets have the 4 losers go against eachother in leagacy also.

then the 2 winning legacy teams play for 1st and second place in kylo like normal but have the 2 losing teams play in kylo for 3rd and 4th place.

then from the losing side the winners of legacy play for 5-6 place and the losers play eachother for 7-8th place in kylo.

lets record in stats what places ppl get from 1-8th place (most ppl will play just for bragging rights)

1st place = 120 gems
2nd place =100 gems
3rd place = 80gems
4th place = 70gems
5th place = 3 tickets 20 gems
6th place = 3 tickets
7th place = 2 tickets 10 gems
8th place = 2 tickets

What they need to do is to remove the whole Tournament thing completely. Not to make it more complicated.
The whole idea of requiring 8 teams 40ppl together to even begin playing is pathetic. It creates a totally unnecessary barrier for people to even think about playing it. Adding another “Paid” barrier there made it worse. Adding more complicated rules will make it even worse. Just get rid of it altogether and make something that is simple and straightforward to play with.

ShRNA.4376:

What they need to do is to remove the whole Tournament thing completely. Not to make it more complicated.
The whole idea of requiring 8 teams 40ppl together to even begin playing is pathetic. It creates a totally unnecessary barrier for people to even think about playing it. Adding another “Paid” barrier there made it worse. Adding more complicated rules will make it even worse. Just get rid of it altogether and make something that is simple and straightforward to play with.

While I agree it seems silly to wait for 40 people just to have one match, this is still a great short-term fix before they can come up with a better system, matchmaking etc.

This would absolutely have me playing more paids, regardless of the gem/ticket rewards, as I would actually be able to play ALL THREE MAPS. I can’t believe that they haven’t even switched the order the maps at this point, it’s like they WANT people to get bored with the pvp by playing 80% of their matches on Forest. People need to play on all the maps because they offer different tactics, and favor different team comps/playstyles. With the current system, you have pugs/inexperienced teams never getting a chance to play a close, competitive match on Khylo. It just doesn’t happen. If they do happen to finally reach round 3 after hours of practicing, now they are in unfamiliar territory, because they have only played Khylo in frees (where they presumably stomp the other team and collect their tickets for paid), or lolgloryfarmzerg hotjoin. You never get a chance to learn and practice with treb mechanics in a more competitive setting, so once again the more experienced teams end up dominating because they understand the treb and map mechanics in a paid tourny setting.

+1 Sataar, thx for putting forth the effort and this great idea.
Everyone else, keep showing your support, let Anet know about this awesome (and easy to implement) idea.

+1 bumping this thread.

We should do this daily :P

ShRNA.4376:

What they need to do is to remove the whole Tournament thing completely. Not to make it more complicated.
The whole idea of requiring 8 teams 40ppl together to even begin playing is pathetic. It creates a totally unnecessary barrier for people to even think about playing it. Adding another “Paid” barrier there made it worse. Adding more complicated rules will make it even worse. Just get rid of it altogether and make something that is simple and straightforward to play with.[/quote]

imagine you worked on something for 5 years and put your heart and soul in it and someone told you to just scrap everything you just did?

exactly thats what they are saying to you when you tell them that. so instead lets just help them make your idea better for everyone.

yes we all know solo q single random map is easier but i say tournament mode is funner aka more fun aka i would rather tournament because its fun.

ty for your opinion bro glad you posted.

new funmode for paidtourneys would be awesome u have to Register with ur class and u get a randomteam. just randooms vs randooms…

This is a very good Idea indeed. Anet once said that we wouldn’t have to wait to play. We’ll go right into the fun. But what happened to that? Paids pop until Late, therefore hindering the amount of “Fun” we are able to have. On top of that, if you lose, you have no chance of coming back. You have to wait another 30-45 minutes to catch the next wave. This is a post worth looking at, If a consumer has a better Idea than the salesman, then obviously the salesman is doing something wrong. +1 from me.

I agree, this idea seems very good, other than like the extra time needed for one full tournament to finish. But other than that, this idea seems excellent, maybe the rewards seem way too high for Arena’s standards, but I like the idea as a whole. I also completely agree with Sataar’s post about people being happy about ladder for a small amount of time before they leave again. Hopefully they improve the tournament system so everyone will feel it beneficial to keep playing tournaments. I also hope that paids would one day be popping all day round! Kudos to you Sataar for the idea!. +1

This would be a great and very needed change imo. The idea of playing more games instead of waiting for 30mins to and hour before you even get to play again and to gain more experience as a team for newer players just makes it amazing.