Guild Wars 2

Tala.7638:

Aorin.9168:

So now SoS is spawn camping us in EB? I see you are now T1 because you have the numbers and the “night crew”. Not because of any skill or class. I’ve seen better sportsmanship in our T2 encounters.

This is what needs to stop, in my opinion. Should we just let you out and allow to gather income? Come on.

EDIT: EB is privilege, not a right. If you want income, and cant get a foothold in EB, go to your homeland and start the new OP event; get a couple towers.

Please read this Aorin, please learn how this game works, you will have more fun with it.

MagiKarp.8201:

Love the “SoS has 24hr coverage” we don’t, we just have dedicated guilds ready to pull all nighters, tonight MERC pulled a 4pm till 2am stretch of coverage, which burns us commanders out, I had some good opposition from BG in BG BL and when Amarathy took over he crushed the JQ out of SoS BL.

That’s it?

Get back in there!

/whip /whip /whip

I warned everyone about this but apparently I’m an addict

Tala.7638:

Please, can we not get moderated here? I personally have been having a ton of excitement this week. HB is a great foe. And other BG guilds have showed well. The dynamics of this game are as they are. Please try to accept it. This is T1 WvW3 for a reason. And also, from the rumor mill, maybe a PRX move will fill some gaps in coverage that BG is having. Either way, it is what is, this a great game, and we should work on strengthening our entire community. I know ppl need to stroke their kittens, but get over that. Keep this thread positive. It has been a fun weekend, and I am looking forward to a lot more fun this week. This kinda stuff is why we play MMOs, let US not forget that.
EDIT: Smokee’s video was great. If Kurthos or some other Aoi member, or someone from the SoS community had made such a great video, I would’ve applauded it, so I do not know why people are not giving Smokee props for making a solid inspirational piece for HIS server, and sending a message to JQ and SoS that HB and BG were going to bring it…which they have. So Smokee, great job man. And your guild has spoken with their tactics and field presence. Please keep it up.

Amazing post. Thank you Tala.

SoS, you crazy! How do you get up for school or work going to bed at 2 am? Oh wait…I goto bed between midnight and 1 am and get up for 7 am shift. Yeah, I’m a little crazy too.

On a sidenote, from last score map, BG doesn’t want us getting supply. You guys are so mean!

MagiKarp.8201:

Love the “SoS has 24hr coverage” we don’t, we just have dedicated guilds ready to pull all nighters, tonight MERC pulled a 4pm till 2am stretch of coverage, which burns us commanders out, I had some good opposition from BG in BG BL and when Amarathy took over he crushed the JQ out of SoS BL.

The coverage issue is about player dedication not simply having more players, I commanded for over 6 hours tonight to fill in the coverage hole and NA has woken up early in order to relieve us. SoS’s community is dedicated, our EU coverage is non-existent but we stretch both Oceania and NA to cover this lapse.

Organise better and communicate and you’ll be amazed of the coverage and ppt you can achieve.

A good point. Something that cant be stressed enough is the community that SoS has put together. This coverage thing isnt something that just happened, it was deliberate and it wasnt easy. But it was worth it.

As for the opening day. JQ has always been known to show up harder after reset (weekdays and later into the week) just as SoS is known for bringing it all right off the bat. Any T1 vet will tell you that the real matchup doesnt start until Monday.

As long as you can keep the lead close coming off the weekend

MagiKarp.8201:

Love the “SoS has 24hr coverage” we don’t, we just have dedicated guilds ready to pull all nighters, tonight MERC pulled a 4pm till 2am stretch of coverage, which burns us commanders out, I had some good opposition from BG in BG BL and when Amarathy took over he crushed the JQ out of SoS BL.

The coverage issue is about player dedication not simply having more players, I commanded for over 6 hours tonight to fill in the coverage hole and NA has woken up early in order to relieve us. SoS’s community is dedicated, our EU coverage is non-existent but we stretch both Oceania and NA to cover this lapse.

Organise better and communicate and you’ll be amazed of the coverage and ppt you can achieve.

SoS doesn’t have 24 hour coverage, but your prime times have more players than JQ/SBI ever did (and now BG).

It’s not just about just about what you said. It’s about Prime time VS Prime time.

Right now, you guys pull 24/48 hour shifts to block JQ’s prime time. That’s a numbers game. Also, our Prime time can only cover 3 maps fully…you guys can do 4. No matter how much you organize, you can’t fight the number game.

Skill takes into effect whhen you defend, sure. But when you want to take something? You need numbers. You can’t split your main force up to try to take another map…you lose leverage on the map you’re on.

This is why SBI faded into T2. WM could cover 1, maybe 2 maps. SBI’s prime time is now regulated to 2 map coverage). JQ …3…SoS…4. No matter how well we play, your PPT will always pull ahead because your prime time PPT/coverage is taking more. AKA manpower.

Is it an excuse? No. we at JQ just love the battles. We win, then we win. If we lose…we cares. We know our weakness, though. We cannot match your Prime time PPT. 4 map coverage owns 3 maps coverage. It’s that simple.

MagiKarp.8201:

Love the “SoS has 24hr coverage” we don’t, we just have dedicated guilds ready to pull all nighters, tonight MERC pulled a 4pm till 2am stretch of coverage, which burns us commanders out, I had some good opposition from BG in BG BL and when Amarathy took over he crushed the JQ out of SoS BL.

The coverage issue is about player dedication not simply having more players, I commanded for over 6 hours tonight to fill in the coverage hole and NA has woken up early in order to relieve us. SoS’s community is dedicated, our EU coverage is non-existent but we stretch both Oceania and NA to cover this lapse.

Organise better and communicate and you’ll be amazed of the coverage and ppt you can achieve.

Well from your own description it sounds like you do have 24 hr coverage, but just though “dedication” and not purely numbers. It’s still 24 hr coverage though, but your own admission.

If that is the case though, major props to you guys. I could never dedicate that kind of time to the game. When I play, I’m always in WvW….but I just can’t move my schedule around to fit the demands of the game. It’s awesome that so many on one server can do that.

EDIT: If there are 3 servers like that then you all truly need to be the “Tier 1” group of servers. Unfortunately I don’t think there are. I’ve said it to people in TS on JQ before…if we drop down to Tier 2 at some point it is because we don’t deserve to be in Tier 1. Even now we are a shadow of what we once were a few months ago. Our TS server has about a quarter or less even in prime time of what we used to have. On Saturday we had to have all 3 commanders in one borderland gather together just to get 5-10 PUGs to gather on them, and when they asked for more people were giving them lip about it and complaining. It is really a shame.

Look at the way this thread going…i am so proud of us. Keep up the good WORK!

I think people are wandering off track a little. My opinions follow;

JQ has been in Tier 1 a very long time, is very organised to the point of most players knowing what they should do and they can put together fantastic coverage and 24/7 PPT when they choose, they have experienced wins and losses.

SoS has very good coverage based on great NA coverage, a good oceanic presence and a server wide community coordination, they have experienced wins and losses.

BG is in against two very good opponents and really handed it to us on day one. Keep in mind they were leading . A few fixes to coverage and adapting to JQ/SOS playstyles and we could get some cliff hangers.

It is good to be proud of your server, but try not to trash talk other servers or guild, we need everyone to make the game fun.

elkirin.8534:

JQ has been in Tier 1 a very long time, is very organised to the point of most players knowing what they should do and they can put together fantastic coverage and 24/7 PPT when they choose, they have experienced wins and losses.

It is good to be proud of your server, but try not to trash talk other servers or guild, we need everyone to make the game fun.

I agree. if I’m going to trash talk it’s going to be about my own server. I’m glad to see that people on the outside still see that about JQ because to be honest the past couple weeks has really pushed me to my limit. We have FAR less people listening to each other than we have in the past. Our TS is typically empty outside of Friday. PUGs are arguing with commanders, instead of helping them out. Sometimes I wish we would drop down because in the long run it might help us.

We have quite a hole during Oceanic prime time (Aussie’s guild) as well as our NA is not as strong coverage as JQ/SoS. JQ’s heavy SEA also negate our SEA we have. It’s also kinda hard for players to reclaim what being lost especially those main keep with warp (like overlook for example). In order to get that back might take you hours and ton of effords in the event that the server who got it can fielded the entire map up while the others cant.

I dont think we’re ready for tier1 yet, but the system forced us to be here. Tier2 coverage is no match what we have, thus a straight bump to tier1. We know we’re going to lose, but we will fight with what we have and hoping the rise to tier1 can net us some great WvW guilds to transfer to help us. We have awesome guilds around, but it’s just not enough of them to compete. (Most of our big guilds field around 10-20ppl per session which isnt that huge compared to SoS/JQ guilds)

During weekend, we can compete because most of our NA/EU/Oceanic/SEA guilds are on hype and they mostly do double shifts so that we can field almost map with organized guilds. On weekday, it’s different ball game, the truth when we cant do double shift, we just dont have enough mass to stop your zergs.

[Thai] like to fight in tier1 more than tier2 to be honest as there are many challenged battles to be play everyday. Despite a stressful moment of being zergs by Sos/JQ on two fronts at the same time almost everyday, our people actually enjoy the fight more and it give us more motivated to join WvW. If you are bored with our NA peeps, get a day off and come meet us at NA morning time :P We’ll be there to greet you.

PS: Great fun in BGBL btw. At least we holded our garrison at our prime time and be able to ninja thai golem style @ hill/bay as usual

drwookie.6391:

I agree. if I’m going to trash talk it’s going to be about my own server. I’m glad to see that people on the outside still see that about JQ because to be honest the past couple weeks has really pushed me to my limit. We have FAR less people listening to each other than we have in the past. Our TS is typically empty outside of Friday. PUGs are arguing with commanders, instead of helping them out. Sometimes I wish we would drop down because in the long run it might help us.

I don’t see any of this that you speak of. We have complex conversations about such things over on our forum, bring your question and we can all discuss your opinions.

drwookie.6391:

I agree. if I’m going to trash talk it’s going to be about my own server. I’m glad to see that people on the outside still see that about JQ because to be honest the past couple weeks has really pushed me to my limit. We have FAR less people listening to each other than we have in the past. Our TS is typically empty outside of Friday. PUGs are arguing with commanders, instead of helping them out. Sometimes I wish we would drop down because in the long run it might help us.

QFT.

JQ is having a problem with PUGs in all of the BLs. It’s definitely been escalating over the past several weeks. Causing queues on Fridays/Saturdays due to the sheer quantity of them, and not following the overall plan set out by the commander(s) that are there. This is directly resulting in only a fraction of players being in the right location, working towards a common goal.

Fridays and Saturdays are especially frustrating; our main force on many BLs are almost always outnumbered because our PUGs are off doing their own thing, or standing around AFK. Sure, I get it, guilds want to go in with their 1-2 groups and do their own thing, but with the numbers of folks doing this, they are actually hurting more than helping.

Wotah.2975:

drwookie.6391:

I agree. if I’m going to trash talk it’s going to be about my own server. I’m glad to see that people on the outside still see that about JQ because to be honest the past couple weeks has really pushed me to my limit. We have FAR less people listening to each other than we have in the past. Our TS is typically empty outside of Friday. PUGs are arguing with commanders, instead of helping them out. Sometimes I wish we would drop down because in the long run it might help us.

I don’t see any of this that you speak of. We have complex conversations about such things over on our forum, bring your question and we can all discuss your opinions.

You haven’t noticed how empty the official TS server is? Even during prime time? Mos tdays I log in and there are maybe 4 or 5 people in a channel (3 of them will be commanders).

The lip was on a BL on Saturday, I forget which one sorry. People saying stuff like “See we wiped that zerg we don’t have to follow a commander” (referring to killing 10-15 enemies outside of the bay gate when we were trebbing bay from garrison…I guess it must have been JQBL now that I say that). We literally had a group of 3 commanders + 3 or 4 others running with them, because no one else would follow. It was crazy.

Sos +390
JQ +255
Blackgate +50 ??
Nooo, Please nooo ~~~

This happens to you too, Blackgate
I don’t want SBI back to T1 and face SoS/JQ 2v1 again
Even I don’t think SBI have any chance back to T1

JQ think attack 3rd server can able to be #1, so strange
They just want to stay at #2

From above posts, I found out they spawn camping you guys too, even they have “another” enemy next to them? so sad

Next one will be SoR ??

Any updates on Nine Dragon? =P
Glad to see yall getting along and I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read a humble blackgate post on a matchup thread. Wish you guys could post some videos of the matchup.

Dynheart.5402:

Smokee.1754:

SirLeroyz.5820:

That reminds me where are all the BG smack talkers now?

Where did you see all the smack talk from BG before?

I don’t know, maybe from the constant smack talk from the previous T1 meeting, and up to this meeting as well.

The one that sticks our the most is where the BG forum warriors keep saying that JQ isn’t a T1 server, despite out accomplishments. I read your T2 threads…you guys seem to be obesessed with JQ; and we are talking T2 threads from 4…5…6 weeks ago (not including weeks 3..2…1). You just want to boot us out because we are weak, and you guys are a true T1 server.

So, according to your forum warriors, we don’t belong. We ride the success of the 1st place team…if that makes any sense. Terrible logic. But let’s humor this * backwards logic….How come no one else can do it? Gotta be good to do it/be competitive/stay in the game with SoS to even “ride in their success”.

But, we are just a T2 team according to the BG posters here. I’m sure you’ll say “nuh uhhhh!” History/forum history says otherwise.

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. We haven’t talked about the train wreck that was “Beastgate”.

I also remember replying to a guy named “peas” or something like that. He said that you guys had more posts/bigger threads than T1, therefore you guys would dominate. I told him that was a bad idea. He couldn’t resist saying that JQ didn’t belong btw…

I never understood that why BG posters, even when not going against us, still post about us.

Ok if you see smack talk it’s most likely from a non-guild player that doesn’t respect his enemy so please, ignore them.

Tajz.9826:

We have quite a hole during Oceanic prime time (Aussie’s guild)

Well it wasnt a hole in T2. You guys were ticking away solidly at 500-600 during the time zone for weeks. I think you have the people, they just need to learn to fight the way your prime time crew does.

Good luck guys.

Cirus.5748:

Aorin.9168:

So now SoS is spawn camping us in EB? I see you are now T1 because you have the numbers and the “night crew”. Not because of any skill or class. I’ve seen better sportsmanship in our T2 encounters.

The Blackgate that showed up on Friday was amazing, it was one the strongest openings to a match up that I have ever seen. Not only that, SoS are ALWAYS first on the opening day, Blackgate are the first server in nearly 4 months to break this rhythm.

If the same Blackgate that showed up in the first 24 hours, showed up on the second day of the match up, the scores would be a lot closer. I do not understand, why the same people that logged in on Friday, didn’t login on the day after, and the one after?

It looks as though Blackgate have given up, it’s a shame because your server is far more capable than this.

I never understood why this happen too… During the Friday, we have queues for 4/4 W3 maps… LONG QUEUES (i already been 1h at EB queue and never got in), not the 5min queue for EB we get on the other days! But it only happen at the Friday! And it’s the same every single week… Even on T2 it was like this…

I really do belive BG has the manpower to hold a strong force in EB and BL’s but from what I have noticed this week, they seem to be in a mindless zerg type tactic. BG needs to their strats worked out and players trained on how to encounter enemy forces efficiently during primetime and in their coverage gaps. Besides that, fights on reset night were intense and fun and I’m looking forward to more of them in the future.

I would suggest having training nights for guilds/players and practising movement, zerg busting tactics and other manoeuvres. Not sure about other SoS guilds, but TSym does do training nights every week to refine our play style and go over other issues/problems that were having and iron them out before reset. We also try to keep militia up to speed on our missions while playing and a lot of them do follow instructions well and make it a blast to play especially during the times where we have our coverage gaps.

Coldness.9628:

Sos +390
JQ +255
Blackgate +50 ??
Nooo, Please nooo ~~~

This happens to you too, Blackgate
I don’t want SBI back to T1 and face SoS/JQ 2v1 again
Even I don’t think SBI have any chance back to T1

JQ think attack 3rd server can able to be #1, so strange
They just want to stay at #2

From above posts, I found out they spawn camping you guys too, even they have “another” enemy next to them? so sad

Next one will be SoR ??

I guess practically the entire morning spent A. in EB attacking towers with green flags on them and B. in SoS borderlands trying to hold Bay….that was just us attacking BG. Maybe BG owned those green towers and they are just super sneaky and put up fake flags! That’s it…super sneaky…

You Boys from BG are a special bunch arent you ? you dont defend EB all day, you come on we give you Ogre Dont jam you up at Velks, try to let you retake your Waypoint from them without interference and you assjam us while were trying to drain their supply from the castle by hitting Durios ? WTF guys… play for 3rd much here ? Come on…

Nice push outta your spawn BG in EB. EB is a mess atm. Great fighting. And DRWookie, that bay siege was a blast. I hope you guys had as much fun as us. Keep bringing it ppl. And those you that keep wanting to call out HB…IT IS ONLY MONDAY. Be careful here. One thing me and mine, pride ourselves on is winning with grace and losing with more. Everyone keep it coming! Epic stuff here so far this week, lets not lose sight of that.

Coldness.9628:

Sos +390
JQ +255
Blackgate +50 ??
Nooo, Please nooo ~~~

This happens to you too, Blackgate
I don’t want SBI back to T1 and face SoS/JQ 2v1 again
Even I don’t think SBI have any chance back to T1

JQ think attack 3rd server can able to be #1, so strange
They just want to stay at #2

From above posts, I found out they spawn camping you guys too, even they have “another” enemy next to them? so sad

Next one will be SoR ??

It’s not focusing the 3rd place server. To push on SoS, JQ would need BG to have a strong presence on map so that they can force the 2v1 on SoS and force us to lose a part of our territory to one server and hold it against the other.

On the contrary, for SoS to push on JQ, we would require BG to have a strong presence on the server as well to force the 2v1 against JQ and cause them to lose territory to either one.

This is because while JQ and SoS may have enough teams, we can’t just steamroll the other side all by ourselves. It would be a move that requires a ridiculous amount of effort and resources. Since both JQ and SoS know this, we can only go against one enemy which is BG and they unfortunately happen to have the lower coverage and get hit against the 2v1.

To get out of this, BG would need to get players in and hunker down wiping out any SoS and JQ advances in their territory(home corner in EB/north area in BL) consistently until SoS and JQ feel it is a waste of time to push on BG and start to focus each other. Then BG has the freedom to side with any team and push the other one hard, taking territory and increasing their point ticks.

In terms of avoiding engagement, it would make it easier for BG if SoS and JQ were to start fighting each other as it would ease pressure off them and allow them to make the push.

Coming from a T2 server we have faced 2 of the 3 servers here (at least the times I purchased Guild Wars 2). SOS as a server was very classy during their stay at T2 as they moved up the ranks. BG on the other hand were a bunch of kitteny folk and it was obvious these guys had lots of bandwagon server jumpers. As they say, “when the going gets tough…..” It would not surprise me if a large portion of their playerbase leave in droves if the present score rate continues.

Some of the notable quotes by BG during their stay at T2…hilarious!

“We are a different server than last we were at T1…”
“Call us BEASTGATE!”

I wouldn’t count BG out of the running yet, it’s still early days.

Well, i’m sure there are population shifts during weekdays… Now that’s the weekend is over, let’s see if BG will stand, or just finish sinking…

Nah you guys are done no 24//7 Coverage = T2 you’ll be gone in 2 weeks welcome back SBI anyway… its a Marathon not a sprint…

There’s a lot of server pride in this thread and that’s fine, but being proud of your server doesn’t require belittling others. I play for Blackgate and I do think we have a great group of guys out there trying their best, but coming on these forums and seeing a bunch of bickering and name calling is kind of sad. Let’s keep things clean and have some fun. Yes, some people make stupid comments on the internet. Some people are too proud of their server and it turns into vain self admiration. Just remember that a majority of the players on a server are too busy trying to have fun to come on here and argue, so please don’t make assumptions or judge an entire server over a few odd posts.

BG problem isnt only coverage, ive seen them with numbers too, while some do fine others just….for example in eternal battlegrounds they are terrible, it seems they never had ressistance in that place or nobody used to attack them, same applies for borderlands sometimes.

Why the other thread was closed anyway, we arent 40 year old alluring classy people.

Evo Nightcrawler.1902:

Coldness.9628:

Sos +390
JQ +255
Blackgate +50 ??
Nooo, Please nooo ~~~

This happens to you too, Blackgate
I don’t want SBI back to T1 and face SoS/JQ 2v1 again
Even I don’t think SBI have any chance back to T1

JQ think attack 3rd server can able to be #1, so strange
They just want to stay at #2

From above posts, I found out they spawn camping you guys too, even they have “another” enemy next to them? so sad

Next one will be SoR ??

It’s not focusing the 3rd place server. To push on SoS, JQ would need BG to have a strong presence on map so that they can force the 2v1 on SoS and force us to lose a part of our territory to one server and hold it against the other.

On the contrary, for SoS to push on JQ, we would require BG to have a strong presence on the server as well to force the 2v1 against JQ and cause them to lose territory to either one.

This is because while JQ and SoS may have enough teams, we can’t just steamroll the other side all by ourselves. It would be a move that requires a ridiculous amount of effort and resources. Since both JQ and SoS know this, we can only go against one enemy which is BG and they unfortunately happen to have the lower coverage and get hit against the 2v1.

To get out of this, BG would need to get players in and hunker down wiping out any SoS and JQ advances in their territory(home corner in EB/north area in BL) consistently until SoS and JQ feel it is a waste of time to push on BG and start to focus each other. Then BG has the freedom to side with any team and push the other one hard, taking territory and increasing their point ticks.

In terms of avoiding engagement, it would make it easier for BG if SoS and JQ were to start fighting each other as it would ease pressure off them and allow them to make the push.

Exactly and to push the Team who has backed out of their territory to move the fight over to SoS is Fail…. Keeping Distance between the 2 smaller forces makes it much more dificult to move around the board… Something BG has no clue about they are constantly moving right next to an engaged area to try to poach something instead of siege it for themselves…and they wonder why they get 2v1 all the time Use the map to make the defenders move to defend instead of blob up that is all…

CharlieWaffles.1509:

Nah you guys are done no 24//7 Coverage = T2 you’ll be gone in 2 weeks welcome back SBI anyway… its a Marathon not a sprint…

Thanks to the rating system, that’s not happening… I would say BG will be stuck at T1 for at least 6 weeks if the current state (the one seen at the weekend) stand. And that you will have SoR and not SBI. But of course, that’s only speculation… My scrying skills aren’t that good…

JemL.3501:

BG problem isnt only coverage, ive seen them with numbers too, while some do fine others just….for example in eternal battlegrounds they are terrible, it seems they never had ressistance in that place or nobody used to attack them, same applies for borderlands sometimes.

Why the other thread was closed anyway, we arent 40 year old alluring classy people.

You guys are are working very well as a Server, im just pointing out the hole from 5am central time til 2 central time where there was VERY little presence from BG on the warfront…. hard to compete with that large of a hole when your on this tier…. Forces you to do ungoddly things when you have coverage to get back into the points race, and thats just about impossible… Unless SoS or JQ lose a great deal of numbers…

True I see that SBI isn’t doing much in T2 atm. BG has been very impressive and it has brought allot to the fight, but the timing and the places they move their zerg make you shake your head at times…. Especially in EB….

CharlieWaffles.1509:

True I see that SBI isn’t doing much in T2 atm. BG has been very impressive and it has brought allot to the fight, but the timing and the places they move their zerg make you shake your head at times…. Especially in EB….

I think you’re right, but as a server we’re still growing and learning. T2 was a different beast and honestly, we got spoiled. Blackgate won a lot of weeks in a row and by a good amount each time. I was afraid of this happening and it seems like I was right, but many of our players just got used to doing whatever because it didn’t so much matter. T1 is a much harsher mistress and we’re learning that.

If Blackgate wants to stay in T1 we’re going to have to really change the way we play and adapt to the new style of warfare. I do believe we can do it, we have a lot of talented players and commanders. Are we the best? Obviously not. Are we going to keep trying to get there? I hope so!

Evo Nightcrawler.1902:

Coldness.9628:

Sos +390
JQ +255
Blackgate +50 ??
Nooo, Please nooo ~~~

This happens to you too, Blackgate
I don’t want SBI back to T1 and face SoS/JQ 2v1 again
Even I don’t think SBI have any chance back to T1

JQ think attack 3rd server can able to be #1, so strange
They just want to stay at #2

From above posts, I found out they spawn camping you guys too, even they have “another” enemy next to them? so sad

Next one will be SoR ??

It’s not focusing the 3rd place server. To push on SoS, JQ would need BG to have a strong presence on map so that they can force the 2v1 on SoS and force us to lose a part of our territory to one server and hold it against the other.

On the contrary, for SoS to push on JQ, we would require BG to have a strong presence on the server as well to force the 2v1 against JQ and cause them to lose territory to either one.

This is because while JQ and SoS may have enough teams, we can’t just steamroll the other side all by ourselves. It would be a move that requires a ridiculous amount of effort and resources. Since both JQ and SoS know this, we can only go against one enemy which is BG and they unfortunately happen to have the lower coverage and get hit against the 2v1.

To get out of this, BG would need to get players in and hunker down wiping out any SoS and JQ advances in their territory(home corner in EB/north area in BL) consistently until SoS and JQ feel it is a waste of time to push on BG and start to focus each other. Then BG has the freedom to side with any team and push the other one hard, taking territory and increasing their point ticks.

In terms of avoiding engagement, it would make it easier for BG if SoS and JQ were to start fighting each other as it would ease pressure off them and allow them to make the push.

Finally someone who makes sense and hits the nail on the head! If/When BG has a stronger NA presence will be the “game-changer” in the T1 bracket. Just look at reset day this week, the 3 servers were very even on the scoreboard until the BG’s NA presence started dropping. It is like the three legs on a tripod, if one leg is shorter/weaker, the tripod will collapse in that direction. JQ would be more than happy to focus on SoS more, but unfortunately, we can’t outmatch SoS’s zerg presence. To quote a player, “One does not outzerg the SoS zergs”. The same can be said somewhat in reverse.

CharlieWaffles.1509:

Nah you guys are done no 24//7 Coverage = T2 you’ll be gone in 2 weeks welcome back SBI anyway… its a Marathon not a sprint…

It’s disappointing that coverage is the end all to this fight format. If only the WvW pop of BG and SBI could merge then there may be enough WvW minded players to make a solid 3 server 24/7 fight.

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Cirus.5748:

The Blackgate that showed up on Friday was amazing, it was one the strongest openings to a match up that I have ever seen. Not only that, SoS are ALWAYS first on the opening day, Blackgate are the first server in nearly 4 months to break this rhythm.

If the same Blackgate that showed up in the first 24 hours, showed up on the second day of the match up, the scores would be a lot closer. I do not understand, why the same people that logged in on Friday, didn’t login on the day after, and the one after?

It looks as though Blackgate have given up, it’s a shame because your server is far more capable than this.

Hardly given up. Our guild was out there last night (Oceanic) to defend the very last tower we owned and it was some of the best back and forth we’ve had for a while People have lives though so I’m not shocked that numbers dropped off after the weekend. Also, since we were last in T1, we have had alot of new guilds and players join our server who may not have experienced T1 gameplay before. Hopefully we stay in T1 long enough for these people to get some playtime because it’s all a great learning experience. It’s unfortunate that the servers couldn’t be more balanced right across the board and a different scoring system be used to freshen up the matches.

I like Karma.

SBI will not be returning to T1 anytime soon, no longer have the coverage. SoR look strong favorites as they can run 24/7 (at least at the moment).

SBI is suffering the effects of negative migration, and server burnout.

…as for BG they have been T1 and were very strong but lacked coverage, hence their fall. In dropping to T2 they lost some oceania WvW guilds too like DiE.

Have they come back stronger?

Quote from DiE website:
“On the 16th of November 2012, after much debate we decided to head to Sea of Sorrows. WvW in Blackgate had become dead. The Militia (pugs) were nowhere to be seen, WvW focused guilds had already jumped ship and we were outnumbered on each borderland 5 to 1. For the longevity of the guild and the game, we decided to move to Sea of Sorrows so that we could continue to have fun.”

“JQ still has nightmares about our turtle tactics”

On a hunch, I moved my keyboard before I watched the video. I’m glad I did because I spit my drink everywhere from the laughter. Thanks guys, that was too funny.

pot,

If you are watching this thread, the other thread closed before I had a chance to reply. No disrepect intented I did not see you bow and our dual unfortunately ended prematurely. It was a lot of fun and your warrior was well played. /bow

Knatty
Call of Fate

Tala.7638:

Smokee’s video was great. If Kurthos or some other Aoi member, or someone from the SoS community had made such a great video, I would’ve applauded it, so I do not know why people are not giving Smokee props for making a solid inspirational piece for HIS server, and sending a message to JQ and SoS that HB and BG were going to bring it…which they have. So Smokee, great job man. And your guild has spoken with their tactics and field presence. Please keep it up.

This. I am not sure why some people are so kitten over that video? They act as if we attacked their egos. I am guessing the people who are kitten have NEVER been to an athletic event in their lives? Cause people talk FRIENDLY smack talk between teams all the time.

Ex. Yea! I am taking you down. No! I am taking you down!

One comes out victorous but gives the other a pat on the back.

Good lord guys….

This thread looks very enjoyable. One day Pooka will read it. Maybe Friday.

akanibbles.6237:

…as for BG they have been T1 and were very strong but lacked coverage, hence their fall. In dropping to T2 they lost some oceania WvW guilds too like DiE.

Have they come back stronger?

Quote from DiE website:
“On the 16th of November 2012, after much debate we decided to head to Sea of Sorrows. WvW in Blackgate had become dead. The Militia (pugs) were nowhere to be seen, WvW focused guilds had already jumped ship and we were outnumbered on each borderland 5 to 1. For the longevity of the guild and the game, we decided to move to Sea of Sorrows so that we could continue to have fun.”

lol so basically they are a bandwagon guild. If they wanted to have fun they should have transferred to a server without the presence that they have. Instead they transfer to a server roflstomping others in their tier? They also apparently didn’t get the memo. All guilds were told to stand down the last few weeks we were in T1 last time because we were being blatantly 2v1’d by JQ and SBI at the time. I am not talking about some of the time, I am talking about 24/7 2v1 with screenshots to prove it. DiE os a bandwagon guild if it isn’t obvious. Just replace BG with SoS if SoS ever gets knocked from T1.

drwookie.6391:

Maybe it is different on SoS, but at least on JQ the difference between Friday and pretty much every other day is staggering. People show up for friday, put in a great effort and then lose the enthusiasm (possible because we aren’t winning by the end of it?). They don’t show up again. On friday we have queues in all 4 maps, on any other day I’ve only seen a queue on many one at most. It’s unfortunate.

It’s pretty similar on SoS (at least for oceanic hours). On Friday, all 4 maps have a 1 hour queue. For the rest of the weekend there might be a 1/2 hour queue for EB and SOS BL. During the week you might get a 5 minute queue for EB, no queue for 2 others and outmanned on the last.

I don’t quite buy that JQ has little coverage later in the week though. You always have a late surge in the week, which is an excellent strategy btw.

IomegadriveOne.5291:

lol so basically they are a bandwagon guild. If they wanted to have fun they should have transferred to a server without the presence that they have. Instead they transfer to a server roflstomping others in their tier? They also apparently didn’t get the memo. All guilds were told to stand down the last few weeks we were in T1 last time because we were being blatantly 2v1’d by JQ and SBI at the time. I am not talking about some of the time, I am talking about 24/7 2v1 with screenshots to prove it. DiE os a bandwagon guild if it isn’t obvious. Just replace BG with SoS if SoS ever gets knocked from T1.

I play on BG, and have no love lost for [DiE], but they are not a bandwagon guild. They are an elitist hardcore PvP guild that expects a high level of coordination and performance from their server team mates. They moved to SoS mainly because they saw this environment on the server, and partially because their former TA buds, PRX, was already there. I don’t buy their “well SoS was the un-official Oceanic server” rationalization though. It may have been the icing on the cake but I’m certain it had nothing to do with the server choice.

Evo Nightcrawler.1902:

To get out of this, BG would need to get players in and hunker down wiping out any SoS and JQ advances in their territory(home corner in EB/north area in BL) consistently until SoS and JQ feel it is a waste of time to push on BG and start to focus each other. Then BG has the freedom to side with any team and push the other one hard, taking territory and increasing their point ticks.

In terms of avoiding engagement, it would make it easier for BG if SoS and JQ were to start fighting each other as it would ease pressure off them and allow them to make the push.

Hypothetically and logically, yes I agree… The reality as someone who was pulling 2x 15+hr shifts over the weekend in that corner of EB showed that on the 2nd day- there was literally human-wave attacks from both JQ and SOS there for hours upon hours.

They didn’t really take anything, they literally died in the thousands from KNT ‘murder balls of fun’ + other BG guild members turfing them out, but the EB-BG team wasn’t able to punch out except to flip peripheral towers before being called back for another defense (against both servers at the same time) and no reserve for holding recently taken towers or supply escorts.
Because the reserve- was already fending off one server or the other on a higher priority asset.

So, by about 2am (Sydney Time) I am completely flogged and went to bed. At the time it didn’t make sense to me why anyone would chuck themselves at us, die pointlessly, never change their tactics past some rudimentary siege placements (until they got blow up over and over) and achieve nothing.
The reality of yesterday when I got home from work, shows that at some point sending 2 servers with non-stop people into that corner must have worked eventually as it was all green and blue.

Tactically inelegant, but I have to admire the sheer tenacity to keep up that kind of pressure.