Guild Wars 2

Something to consider about future match ups. A lot of the guilds that transferred to Kaineng in the past few weeks have quit a bit of experience against DB, Mag, and BP. Especially RE who fought all 3 of those servers quite a bit in our time on DH.

We know what it’s like fighting against them. Will it make a difference compared to DR? We’ll see next week.

I’m not trying to make us sound better than we are (I think everyone on kaineng has realistic expectations of what we can achieve). It’s just something to consider for those wishing to see our downfall.

imalog.7689:

Anvil Pants.3426:

dabomb.4056:

I’d say we do have server transfers but not of the magnitude of kaineng and DR.

Right, and that presents two distinct types of “server transfer”: Guild coordinated, “mass” transfer, and individual player transfers. I was addressing a concern about guild coordinated transfers, which Anvil Rock can’t receive so long as our server is considered by ANet to be full.

dabomb.4056:

Besides most of them are here for PVP since we’re considered as the best pvp server. If only we could get those hardcore pvpers to get in wvw, but our weakness will still be time coverage when most of our players are NA based.

I’ve spent some time recently with some sPvP players, including a recently formed WvW guild created by sPvP players looking to run together in WvW. Playing with them while connected to their VoIP server was fun. However, it also revealed some differences between PvP and WvW styles. For example, although the PvP crew was about 20 people, 3 5-man parties, plus some PuG, the PvP crew used combo fields very well, within and without the premade parties.

On the down side, they, like we’ve seen here from [PAXA], had no stomach for outmanned conditions in WvW, and they went back to their comfort-zone in sPvP after wiping on larger armies 3 times.

[PAXA] will be best remembered on AR BL as the run-away guild. Always enjoyed a chase.

I can actually confirm some of this. You are right, we definitely have ran from your zergs before…and with good reason. Anything over 20 is usually to much for our measly 5 man. In fact, ill admit that you have proven to be incredibly effective at rallying a Zerg around you…especially after we kill you once or twice.

That being said, I can also assure you that, while we do definitely turn tail at that Zerg size, we (and usually me) make it a point to drop you before we go. Yea, we don’t usually get the spike off…but we do always get a good laugh. Plus it really saves our butts…your Zerg picking up your corpse while we disappear

Keep it up!

Npac.3476:

imalog.7689:

Anvil Pants.3426:

dabomb.4056:

I’d say we do have server transfers but not of the magnitude of kaineng and DR.

Right, and that presents two distinct types of “server transfer”: Guild coordinated, “mass” transfer, and individual player transfers. I was addressing a concern about guild coordinated transfers, which Anvil Rock can’t receive so long as our server is considered by ANet to be full.

dabomb.4056:

Besides most of them are here for PVP since we’re considered as the best pvp server. If only we could get those hardcore pvpers to get in wvw, but our weakness will still be time coverage when most of our players are NA based.

I’ve spent some time recently with some sPvP players, including a recently formed WvW guild created by sPvP players looking to run together in WvW. Playing with them while connected to their VoIP server was fun. However, it also revealed some differences between PvP and WvW styles. For example, although the PvP crew was about 20 people, 3 5-man parties, plus some PuG, the PvP crew used combo fields very well, within and without the premade parties.

On the down side, they, like we’ve seen here from [PAXA], had no stomach for outmanned conditions in WvW, and they went back to their comfort-zone in sPvP after wiping on larger armies 3 times.

[PAXA] will be best remembered on AR BL as the run-away guild. Always enjoyed a chase.

I can actually confirm some of this. You are right, we definitely have ran from your zergs before…and with good reason. Anything over 20 is usually to much for our measly 5 man. In fact, ill admit that you have proven to be incredibly effective at rallying a Zerg around you…especially after we kill you once or twice.

That being said, I can also assure you that, while we do definitely turn tail at that Zerg size, we (and usually me) make it a point to drop you before we go. Yea, we don’t usually get the spike off…but we do always get a good laugh. Plus it really saves our butts…your Zerg picking up your corpse while we disappear

Keep it up!

Oh the fun is on both sides sir, see as well as i can rally a zerg i can lose one just as quick chasing your bunker build ele’s and such. I like to see how long you all run before you realize its just me

Twog, I think otherwise but we shall see.

Keyba.9570:

Twog, I think otherwise but we shall see.

indeed, regardless i’m excited to rip some more BP next week. I feel the double team coming on though, NSP being sick of fighting us im sure and BP being a rival, going to see a lot of action from all fronts. It’ll be a grind.

fellyn.5083:

Something to consider about future match ups. A lot of the guilds that transferred to Kaineng in the past few weeks have quit a bit of experience against DB, Mag, and BP. Especially RE who fought all 3 of those servers quite a bit in our time on DH.

We know what it’s like fighting against them. Will it make a difference compared to DR? We’ll see next week.

I’m not trying to make us sound better than we are (I think everyone on kaineng has realistic expectations of what we can achieve). It’s just something to consider for those wishing to see our downfall.

Nobody wants to see your downfall. Everyone wants to see how you do when you meet an equally matched foe.

Same as Borlis Pass and Devs before you. They were heavy NA servers and ran into bigger NA servers and crashed.

The test for Kain will be when it meets a server that can counter your oceanic coverage. That would be DB and to a lesser extent Maguuma. Keep in mind that all 3 severs, DB, Mag, and EB have feed on the two rotting corpses that are BP and DR. They aren’t the same servers you fought 2 months ago.

-K

Kodiack.2783:

The test for Kain will be when it meets a server that can counter your oceanic coverage. That would be DB and to a lesser extent Maguuma. Keep in mind that all 3 severs, DB, Mag, and EB have feed on the two rotting corpses that are BP and DR. They aren’t the same servers you fought 2 months ago.

-K

Meh, facing dragonbrand is like having a very dramatic battle for me, and probably for a lot of Kaineng players.

For the NA players, they will be matched with Warswarn, iSpy, and some evermoor alliance that was originally part of Kaineng’s main force.

For SoS, facing dragonbrand means it’ll most likely be Taiwanese slaughtering Taiwanese, as Dragonbrand is the primary choice when it comes to Chinese/Taiwanese population. We are already at low population, yet now we are faced to bring arms and face our own kin.

Oh, the drama, I just cannot imagine what that battle would be.

Npac.3476:

Co-Leader here. Don’t have anything to spout but I would love to get a screen of your character so that way I know when I fight you.

Thanks and watch your back

Not at home yet, but will grab you a screenie this evening – will edit this post with the jpg when I get the chance. I’ve never been on a Wanted poster before – kinda makes me feel like Billy the Kid!

Catch you in game, dude! :-)

Edit: Posted!

So yesterday we ninja’d the west walls of NSP garrison in plain sight

with over 20 enemies walking by us before they noticed us.

Here are a couple, red lines point to the models of the enemies in the distance.

Dhampyr.2104:

Npac.3476:

Co-Leader here. Don’t have anything to spout but I would love to get a screen of your character so that way I know when I fight you.

Thanks and watch your back

Not at home yet, but will grab you a screenie this evening – will edit this post with the jpg when I get the chance. I’ve never been on a Wanted poster before – kinda makes me feel like Billy the Kid!

Catch you in game, dude! :-)

Dhampyr,
I might have to just tag along… you know to take screen shots and stuff. It’ll be just like I’m not even there! ~ stealth~
~Eve’s unofficial back watcher~

I enjoyed your video,

funny how those following you in that video wasn’t running in a straight line behind ya, must be real players. Way to fool everyone. Do you have the video of you taking hills in AR last night? ya know the one where you were running around mindlessly taking out siege gear on the walls so that the real players outside can break in without difficulty? let’s show them a video of that so i can explain why I think you were botting, because i swear those characters behind you were running as if they were bots, so prove me wrong. c’mon. Or did you happen to forget to push “record” on your fraps during that moment?

I got run over by the AR truck at least 4 times tonight in the central part of their BL. Either it’s the usual lack of ability for me, or AR is getting their “zerg of defense” from somewhere….

I think the accusations should only be brought up to the people who might actually be able to take action (i.e Anet) and be left there. This has been one of the cleanest threads I’ve been on and hope it stays that way till the end of the week.

So tired of facing these zerg servers man, they just ruin everything for the rest of us!

J/K, was fun getting rolled by NSP right after we capped.

Ninya.3942:

So tired of facing these zerg servers man, they just ruin everything for the rest of us!

J/K, was fun getting rolled by NSP right after we capped.

How does anyone have fun running with that many people?

Siad.3608:

Ninya.3942:

So tired of facing these zerg servers man, they just ruin everything for the rest of us!

J/K, was fun getting rolled by NSP right after we capped.

How does anyone have fun running with that many people?

No idea. But that’s what Kaineng and most other more populated servers seem to do. Can’t be helped though. Honestly just sticking around to smash some DR skulls and then gonna jump back down to tier 8. My Kaineng pride just ain’t here no more.

My feelings about Kaineng in song.

So you enjoy T8? I would like to know what has changed that you want back. Yes there are more on the server now and we’re not up to the tier where we will face even competition. Other than the somewhat less exciting match up, what is missing (or unwanted addition)?

Ninya.3942:

So you enjoy T8? I would like to know what has changed that you want back. Yes there are more on the server now and we’re not up to the tier where we will face even competition. Other than the somewhat less exciting match up, what is missing (or unwanted addition)?

Dunno. I’ve been on 2 top tier servers before. I just don’t much like the bigger battles. I like the fact that when I join WvW I; me alone, can make a pretty sizable difference. For some reason I like when a guild would join and not understand that their measly 15 people could make a HUGE difference in our bl. I liked the personal matchups. Guess I just like dead servers. Also queues and LA overflow. I hate those. Actually just that.

Edit: I should note that if the next matchup seems incredible I might stay but the chances are slim. I’m not eager to leave Kain it just doesn’t seem as fun as it was before.

StormWolf.7645:

2) Actually…the results of this week COULD be vastly different. Kaineng’s core group has a lot to learn, because we have become masters of defense. I have seen your numbers and they are very similar to what we had vs. DR in Tier 8. While you can not WIN against the numbers we have, if both Servers turtled up their BLs(Preferably while helping each other out to allow each other to get Tier 3 Towers/Keeps.) you could have at least kept us here and gotten a lot more Badges out of us. The end result of us eventually going up a tier is inevitable, but would take us a lot longer. The mindset required is vastly different though, which is why you’re seeing the “Transfers” as being more visible atm…they’re much more experienced in the Zerging/Attacking required.

Despite all the ludicrous posts in the thread, this just reigns as the most ridiculous one. So AR and NSP’s numbers are “similar to what [Kaineng] had vs. DR?” You somehow turn that into a silly brag about how you did much better in that situation against DR? Kaineng has probably around 50%~75% more people than DR did when they came through. Your “valiant defense” against DR netted you last place with a total score of 109,725. Go look at how DR did in its two weeks of T6 (despite the fact that AR spent the entire second matchup playing for 2nd and refusing to attack DR). That’s despite DR having picked up several more guilds once they broke out of T8. If you had similar number to this, then you did far worse than either server you’re trying to lord over.

Hey guys keep the thread cool plz
we’ve been having gr8 battles lately so y u try to be 1 of those guys shown on the pic.?
keep it cool and relax guys

Thank you moderator for fight against the forum PvP angry (keyboard warriors).

Natives and new residents are coming together at the Kaineng World

This is good sign.

It is understand that some are cynical, but they will turn around to determination and team value in time with hope. Though we see like with Titan, lifting and dropping alliance is high risk. People still fear guild lifting and dropping. But a culture of unity is strongest force of all.

Try Kaineng World

• We see resident welcome to apply and post.
• We see commanders apply and post.
• We see even enemy welcome to post in Outlander forum for discuss.

How many guild web welcome enemy to discuss?

Much talk have been ventured about capability against strong enemy. A community that comes together crushes enemy. It is meaning of team, of world — not of individual.

Ralloff.7359:

Ninya.3942:

So you enjoy T8? I would like to know what has changed that you want back. Yes there are more on the server now and we’re not up to the tier where we will face even competition. Other than the somewhat less exciting match up, what is missing (or unwanted addition)?

Dunno. I’ve been on 2 top tier servers before. I just don’t much like the bigger battles. I like the fact that when I join WvW I; me alone, can make a pretty sizable difference. For some reason I like when a guild would join and not understand that their measly 15 people could make a HUGE difference in our bl. I liked the personal matchups. Guess I just like dead servers. Also queues and LA overflow. I hate those. Actually just that.

Edit: I should note that if the next matchup seems incredible I might stay but the chances are slim. I’m not eager to leave Kain it just doesn’t seem as fun as it was before.

If you think you can make a difference by yourself, well you are wrong.

I have already experienced going to a gate with 10-20 people, throwing down two rams, and only one being built.

Your extra DPS or Support can make a difference when 20 people face 20 people. Support your server, soloing sentry points or supply camps does not help.

jkctmc.8754:

osif.8673:

Jeda, my offer is still on the table. I’d be happy to have a 1v1 with you. Since you like to run solo I know you probably like fighting even and outmatched fights. I like to do the same.

If you were anything but a Mesmer, I would one v one you, but as a Ranger, I can’t seem to do well against many Mesmers.

But hey, it’s not as if you’re a Ranger or Necromancer challenging one v ones or anything. Mighty brave of you. <winks>

Next time I catch one of your guys solo, and am beating him, since larger groups make you guys cry so much on the forums, try not bringing in your group to crush me.

I’ve had plenty of good fights with every class. While an MMO will never be perfectly balanced, GW2 has done better than any other I have played. “You’re a Mesmer, I won’t fight you” is just a cop out. It’s much more skill based than class counter games like WoW.

When you come complaining on the forums about our group killing you when you had a 1v1, (red = dead, I’m sure you’ve participated in that philosophy before) of course I’ll offer you a chance for a 1v1 with a PAXA member. Oh but no, I’m just trying to be a big bad tough guy! Yeah, right.

I also find your thought process amusing. You think that you were winning a 1v1 and your opponent cried in vent for help while in reality we just happen to see red and kill it.

But hey, if you don’t want a 1v1, I’m not begging for one. I just thought I would offer it to you since you seemed to want one. My mistake, I guess you didn’t. And if you’re afraid that if you lose I would come talking trash on the forums, you’re wrong. I beat SHAKA ZULU in a 1v1 and told him/her good fight because I thought the guardian was well played. SHAKA also beat Dylic in a 1v1 and didn’t come gloating on the forums about it. Something tells me you wouldn’t show the same amount of class.

Littlefeather.8623:

Ralloff.7359:

Ninya.3942:

So you enjoy T8? I would like to know what has changed that you want back. Yes there are more on the server now and we’re not up to the tier where we will face even competition. Other than the somewhat less exciting match up, what is missing (or unwanted addition)?

Dunno. I’ve been on 2 top tier servers before. I just don’t much like the bigger battles. I like the fact that when I join WvW I; me alone, can make a pretty sizable difference. For some reason I like when a guild would join and not understand that their measly 15 people could make a HUGE difference in our bl. I liked the personal matchups. Guess I just like dead servers. Also queues and LA overflow. I hate those. Actually just that.

Edit: I should note that if the next matchup seems incredible I might stay but the chances are slim. I’m not eager to leave Kain it just doesn’t seem as fun as it was before.

If you think you can make a difference by yourself, well you are wrong.

I have already experienced going to a gate with 10-20 people, throwing down two rams, and only one being built.

Your extra DPS or Support can make a difference when 20 people face 20 people. Support your server, soloing sentry points or supply camps does not help.

You are wrong. Plain and simple. You speak of 20 on 20 fights and the difference I can make in those. When I joined Kaineng just a couple months back, I scoped out LA to see what kind of players we had. I had to do a double take because I saw less then 20 people from the bank to the tp. One person was the difference between tower kept or tower taken. I’m fine with you guys transferring to the server and not getting the impact you’ve had. But if you think 1 person can’t make a difference in tier 8 then you are not only wrong, but delusional. Now I’m not trying to glorify things; after all it’s just a game. But at some times we would have maybe 5 guys in EB taking camps and holding/upgrading towers.

What I meant by “I; me alone, can make a pretty sizable difference.” was that I can see the difference I make on the entire match, not just a single battle. That said, soloing in tier 8 can make a big difference. Maybe not sentries. But camps are everything and upgrading the back end was something many forgot to do. If you don’t get that then you don’t get tier 8. And I don’t expect you to if you haven’t got it by now. But this isn’t tier 8 and you don’t have to get it.

Things are surely different here in higher tiers
And i guess i too experience some of what Ralloff is saying too

Some of us , well actually maybe quite a bit of us from old Kaineng tier 8 were essentially puggers. Now i understand that major guilds are far more effective in most everything compared to us. I now feel that the puggers, once a major defense force against DR in tier 8 times has now became more or less of a liability to a certain extent.

Im a pugger too. And now with major guild like WM, RE, and SOS etc running around. I feel like im in a pretty embarrasing spot.

We dont really build ourselves to maximize our team effectiveness with the zerg. Most of us are more soloist self sustaining builds. Better for small scale strikes.
We also lack the communication and organization the bigger guilds have.

I guess its now the era of the big guilds and most of our matches will be decided by them up in tier 5. And randoms like us dont serve too much function anymore besides adding to the bodies heap.

Oh well…. i guess it could also be fun that way too. Id be going to boost that body bag count.

Nice battle today in NSP borderlands had lots of fun ^,_,^

People love Karma
Zergs love Karma trains
Zergs are needed in higher tiers, imo.
A small group of great PvP’ers mean nothing when your looking at a 50 man FA/CD/YB Zerg. You might be great 1v1, or 1v2, 3, but you can not help the server doing your own thing.

If you solo a supply camp, yes that is great, more PPT, but its one less target for a zerg. With out Karma trains, the zerg separates off of the commander, and does their own thing. Only the people who understand that the commander needs bodies on him/her are there.

A lot of people dislike zergs, mindless zerg this, mindless zerg that, but what do you think happens when 20 people come up to 40 people?

Already plenty of times I have lead 20-30 Kainengs into 40+ AR or NSP zergs, what do you think happens to your fellow Kainengs?

Group integrity, unit cohesion, those terms may mean very little to some of you out there, but they mean a lot in WvW.

So many times I have wished every one on the map rally on me while I was the sole commander, only to see the 10-15 people behind me get wiped by a strong 30 man zerg over and over and I have no choice but to turn off my tag, because people think they dont need to rally as one strong group. But you think your are being productive by separating yourself from the main force, which only weakens us, or…your fellow server mates.

Littlefeather.8623:

People love Karma
Zergs love Karma trains
Zergs are needed in higher tiers, imo.
A small group of great PvP’ers mean nothing when your looking at a 50 man FA/CD/YB Zerg. You might be great 1v1, or 1v2, 3, but you can not help the server doing your own thing.

If you solo a supply camp, yes that is great, more PPT, but its one less target for a zerg. With out Karma trains, the zerg separates off of the commander, and does their own thing. Only the people who understand that the commander needs bodies on him/her are there.

A lot of people dislike zergs, mindless zerg this, mindless zerg that, but what do you think happens when 20 people come up to 40 people?

Already plenty of times I have lead 20-30 Kainengs into 40+ AR or NSP zergs, what do you think happens to your fellow Kainengs?

Group integrity, unit cohesion, those terms may mean very little to some of you out there, but they mean a lot in WvW.

You’re absolutely right. In these higher tiers big numbers and cohesion is necessary to win. I find that boring and that’s why I said I like tier 8. Because that isn’t always the case in tier 8. Because you can’t always have a zerg. And you won’t always have a commander. And now I think we have an understanding.

I have to disagree with littlefeather, one person can make a huge diffrence. A team of 5 players can hold a tower or large keep with well placed siege agianst even a large force.

even 1 player going around killing dolyaks and camping supply camps can stall a keep s upgrades for awhile.

True, you will need a large group for the larger tasks such as capturing a keep for instance, however, dont disregaurd the small groups or even individual player.

lcc.9374:

Things are surely different here in higher tiers
And i guess i too experience some of what Ralloff is saying too

Some of us , well actually maybe quite a bit of us from old Kaineng tier 8 were essentially puggers. Now i understand that major guilds are far more effective in most everything compared to us. I now feel that the puggers, once a major defense force against DR in tier 8 times has now became more or less of a liability to a certain extent.

Im a pugger too. And now with major guild like WM, RE, and SOS etc running around. I feel like im in a pretty embarrasing spot.

We dont really build ourselves to maximize our team effectiveness with the zerg. Most of us are more soloist self sustaining builds. Better for small scale strikes.
We also lack the communication and organization the bigger guilds have.

I guess its now the era of the big guilds and most of our matches will be decided by them up in tier 5. And randoms like us dont serve too much function anymore besides adding to the bodies heap.

Oh well…. i guess it could also be fun that way too. Id be going to boost that body bag count.

I feel the same sometimes.
But then I think, this is/should be the time where we group up and/or level-up our game more. I don’t wanna get left behind or anything so I feel I might need to adapt to these changes(in our own little ways).

In a positive side though, thanks to the new and old guilds, for they have brought us to an area where we have never been before. By next week, we will be landing on another uncharted zone(well most of older kains that is). Its a new experience for most of us I guess. We will find our place in the ranks somehow. I know we will. We are all kains now after all. We will need all the manpower we can get… for sentry killers, supply escorts, supply runners, spotters and all sorts of other functions(not only zerging I guess?).

Thanks for the great fights on EB btw. I am that ele that stays near a keep/door and try fend of randoms. Please dont hate me, that was how I grew at tier 8, defending against large zergs and such, the door has become my bestfriend. I like ’em trebs and sieges too :P

Hazal.9560:

I have to disagree with littlefeather, one person can make a huge diffrence. A team of 5 players can hold a tower or large keep with well placed siege agianst even a large force.

even 1 player going around killing dolyaks and camping supply camps can stall a keep s upgrades for awhile.

True, you will need a large group for the larger tasks such as capturing a keep for instance, however, dont disregaurd the small groups or even individual player.

This is very true, but, in all honesty, PUG’s can not be relied upon to janitor a Keep for hours at a time, refreshing siege, or camping a supply camp, they like to do their own thing. Yes an organized small hand full of people, or even 1-2 organized people can make a huge difference, but I can not ask a PUG to sit at a keep for hours on end to keep refreshing the siege, watching ever ready for an attack, or camp a supply camp. I have said some very bad things about PUG’s in the past, but one of the most honest things I have said about PUG’s in the past is they have an attention span of a Goldfish, we simply can not rely on them to do small tasks for the betterment of the team. This is what I meant, not that 1, 2, 3 people can not do anything productive, but 1, 2, 3 PUG’s are weakening the team doing their own thing rather than being a part of the team.

I do apologize for being so frank in this post, but every commander has felt this same frustration in the past.

Even myself with a fellow guildy has kept siege in EH refreshed for 4-6 hours a day/night, in this match up in EH. Theres an example of two people making a difference right there, by keeping the siege refreshed, we can successfully repel an attack, by camping a supply camp, we can effectively keep supply incoming. Yes small random things help out by PUG’s sometimes, maybe even a lot, but if your not in a big organized WvW guild you will just continue to do random things because you wont know our next target, or you will not know what to defend, or hold or support. I have love for you PUG’s dont get me wrong, I just wish yall become a part of a large WvW guild, so Kaineng can get more organized.

I would like to suggest to those who are camping at JP that they would do something productive instead of just killing. camping and gangbanging a few players might be fun but it won’t help ur server to get scores :p.

ps. I went through all the campers and opened my chect xD
jkjk

Littlefeather.8623:

People love Karma
Zergs love Karma trains
Zergs are needed in higher tiers, imo.
A small group of great PvP’ers mean nothing when your looking at a 50 man FA/CD/YB Zerg. You might be great 1v1, or 1v2, 3, but you can not help the server doing your own thing.

If you solo a supply camp, yes that is great, more PPT, but its one less target for a zerg. With out Karma trains, the zerg separates off of the commander, and does their own thing. Only the people who understand that the commander needs bodies on him/her are there.

A lot of people dislike zergs, mindless zerg this, mindless zerg that, but what do you think happens when 20 people come up to 40 people?

Already plenty of times I have lead 20-30 Kainengs into 40+ AR or NSP zergs, what do you think happens to your fellow Kainengs?

Group integrity, unit cohesion, those terms may mean very little to some of you out there, but they mean a lot in WvW.

So many times I have wished every one on the map rally on me while I was the sole commander, only to see the 10-15 people behind me get wiped by a strong 30 man zerg over and over and I have no choice but to turn off my tag, because people think they dont need to rally as one strong group. But you think your are being productive by separating yourself from the main force, which only weakens us, or…your fellow server mates.

I see where you are going with this and I agree with some of it, but in tier 1 having good solo/small group players is actually needed. People to stop towers/keeps from resupply and taking camps for more PPT or to force other zergs to split is NEEDED. I mostly do agree with you though… only because most people who roam don’t do objectives, but a skilled player or small group of players is part of the reasons why tier 1 WvWvW servers are there. I think once you guys get into the higher tiers you’ll realize how much roaming parties are needed. Cheers

Jazenn.7526:

Shout out to a certain Anvil Rock Engi (from NiN i think?). Lol I though it was hilarious when you danced in laughed over my corpse, considering how you ran at the sight of me earlier even with a campful of NPC’s on your side, and then later a party of other players. Only when they killed me by sheer numbers did you return to do so. Hopefully that really made you happy because I feel sorry for you. You can only improve by trying, not soloing a wall with autoattack like when I found you.

I was attacked by two Kaineng full 80’s on my lvl11 thief.
They laughed at me when I ran away

So I came back and downed one before the other killed me.
Thieves are so OP its hilarious.

Let’s fun. Let’s See your play. Let’s see our play.
Let’s see your number. Let’s see our number.

http://youtu.be/kmyBzFUvDv8

LegitMudkip.2173:

Littlefeather.8623:

People love Karma
Zergs love Karma trains
Zergs are needed in higher tiers, imo.
A small group of great PvP’ers mean nothing when your looking at a 50 man FA/CD/YB Zerg. You might be great 1v1, or 1v2, 3, but you can not help the server doing your own thing.

If you solo a supply camp, yes that is great, more PPT, but its one less target for a zerg. With out Karma trains, the zerg separates off of the commander, and does their own thing. Only the people who understand that the commander needs bodies on him/her are there.

A lot of people dislike zergs, mindless zerg this, mindless zerg that, but what do you think happens when 20 people come up to 40 people?

Already plenty of times I have lead 20-30 Kainengs into 40+ AR or NSP zergs, what do you think happens to your fellow Kainengs?

Group integrity, unit cohesion, those terms may mean very little to some of you out there, but they mean a lot in WvW.

So many times I have wished every one on the map rally on me while I was the sole commander, only to see the 10-15 people behind me get wiped by a strong 30 man zerg over and over and I have no choice but to turn off my tag, because people think they dont need to rally as one strong group. But you think your are being productive by separating yourself from the main force, which only weakens us, or…your fellow server mates.

I see where you are going with this and I agree with some of it, but in tier 1 having good solo/small group players is actually needed. People to stop towers/keeps from resupply and taking camps for more PPT or to force other zergs to split is NEEDED. I mostly do agree with you though… only because most people who roam don’t do objectives, but a skilled player or small group of players is part of the reasons why tier 1 WvWvW servers are there. I think once you guys get into the higher tiers you’ll realize how much roaming parties are needed. Cheers

As little previously said, he aimed his comment more at the unorganized and random PUG’s than the organized objective taking/holding teams. This is to be expected of Kaineng right now however, We are still lower down the tier bracket and many people are still adapting and learning to do new ideas outside of T8 and away from being suppressed by DR.

We want Kaineng to be successful and keep growing in its internal power it currently has, the faster and more effective we get at becoming organized and having stronger roaming groups as-well as “zergers” the better the server can become as a whole, both offensively and defensively, this ideally is what the people of Kaineng need to help us with now in these theirs as we are facing tougher competition of servers that have higher numbers and more coverage than the lower tiers ( this isn’t a dig at lower tiers, I mean purely based on numbers and coverage, not skill or ability ).

By being able to utilize the “PUGs” and roamers to our advantage, we gain a lot more control over maps than many of them may realise when they run of in small groups to cap the closest camp they see without thinking about the commanders or what is said in map/team chats, but in time, the experience will come and we will gain more control and better able “PUGs” to do these tasks, but of course, with no offence meant to any small man teams, not all teams will be good or useful some in fact can be damaging and disrupt plans and tactics a commander is trying to use. This is why the NEO alliance and many PUGs on kain are trying to improve this.

I like PUG and small guild.
I love pug who Treb-shoot alone.
And i like very much small guild or party that do guerrilla and awesome defend.
They r our Kaineng’s hidden POWER that can victory in long battle.
I love them. This is teamwork.

If u wanna talk WM,
come our homepage ( wm-united.com ), and ask to alliance rank.
I wanna be friendly them that havoc and guerrilla small guild.

Kaineng thief found inside Eternal spawn.
Is this against the rules or?

Because you guys know our zerg has changed map even before they’ve left the spawn, seems kind of uncool and unnecessary.

It went insta invis so I chased is down.

Rob.7624:

Kaineng thief found inside Eternal spawn.
Is this against the rules or?

Because you guys know our zerg has changed map even before they’ve left the spawn, seems kind of uncool and unnecessary.

It went insta invis so I chased is down.

they were there yesterday too

Rob.7624:

Kaineng thief found inside Eternal spawn.
Is this against the rules or?

Because you guys know our zerg has changed map even before they’ve left the spawn, seems kind of uncool and unnecessary.

It went insta invis so I chased is down.

You get ported out at a point if you stealth into there spawn point. You also can get in and find spots that the guards will not reach you and just stay there.

Example: Right on the stairs near the entrance into spawn point. The guards will not attack you there.

General.7803:

I like PUG and small guild.
I love pug who Treb-shoot alone.
And i like very much small guild or party that do guerrilla and awesome defend.
They r our Kaineng’s hidden POWER that can victory in long battle.
I love them. This is teamwork.

If u wanna talk WM,
come our homepage ( wm-united.com ), and ask to alliance rank.
I wanna be friendly them that havoc and guerrilla small guild.

Hello Fezt here from [NZFS]!

I would like to thank you for noticing the smaller but effective guilds out there that ARE making a difference. We are looking forward for this Friday’s match-up and we will be holding off our borderlands while the bigger guilds take care of EB.

“Ten soldiers wisely led, will beat one hundred without a head”. -Euripides-

faztazkitten.7293:

General.7803:

I like PUG and small guild.
I love pug who Treb-shoot alone.
And i like very much small guild or party that do guerrilla and awesome defend.
They r our Kaineng’s hidden POWER that can victory in long battle.
I love them. This is teamwork.

If u wanna talk WM,
come our homepage ( wm-united.com ), and ask to alliance rank.
I wanna be friendly them that havoc and guerrilla small guild.

Hello Fezt here from [NZFS]!

I would like to thank you for noticing the smaller but effective guilds out there that ARE making a difference. We are looking forward for this Friday’s match-up and we will be holding off our borderlands while the bigger guilds take care of EB.

“Ten soldiers wisely led, will beat one hundred without a head”. -Euripides-

I also want to thank [WM] for knowing what small 2 to 3 man guilds can be effective if done right. In the high tiers groups that can take camps quickly and effectively while the main zerg or two zergs captures towers/keeps can make or break upper tiers.

Right now these small groups may not always join a zerg for two reasons:
1) It’s totally unnecessary since we are blowing out the competition
2) We know when to join the zerg and when not to. We know we can be effective elsewhere like killing yaks, capturing camps, annoying the main enemy zerg, hitting gates to make them contested, etc.

[WM] understands this and for that, thank you.

Phantasmal.5631:

faztazkitten.7293:

General.7803:

I like PUG and small guild.
I love pug who Treb-shoot alone.
And i like very much small guild or party that do guerrilla and awesome defend.
They r our Kaineng’s hidden POWER that can victory in long battle.
I love them. This is teamwork.

If u wanna talk WM,
come our homepage ( wm-united.com ), and ask to alliance rank.
I wanna be friendly them that havoc and guerrilla small guild.

Hello Fezt here from [NZFS]!

I would like to thank you for noticing the smaller but effective guilds out there that ARE making a difference. We are looking forward for this Friday’s match-up and we will be holding off our borderlands while the bigger guilds take care of EB.

“Ten soldiers wisely led, will beat one hundred without a head”. -Euripides-

I also want to thank [WM] for knowing what small 2 to 3 man guilds can be effective if done right. In the high tiers groups that can take camps quickly and effectively while the main zerg or two zergs captures towers/keeps can make or break upper tiers.

Right now these small groups may not always join a zerg for two reasons:
1) It’s totally unnecessary since we are blowing out the competition
2) We know when to join the zerg and when not to. We know we can be effective elsewhere like killing yaks, capturing camps, annoying the main enemy zerg, hitting gates to make them contested, etc.

[WM] understands this and for that, thank you.

WM Leader is being nice about it, but the way its looking right now, we wont be able to break through T4. I have seen them, they will make us look like we made FC look. If Kain doesnt get more organized, or a few NA Primetime guilds again, we wont break out of T5. I not only seen it, I experienced it before.

Littlefeather.8623:

Phantasmal.5631:

faztazkitten.7293:

General.7803:

I like PUG and small guild.
I love pug who Treb-shoot alone.
And i like very much small guild or party that do guerrilla and awesome defend.
They r our Kaineng’s hidden POWER that can victory in long battle.
I love them. This is teamwork.

If u wanna talk WM,
come our homepage ( wm-united.com ), and ask to alliance rank.
I wanna be friendly them that havoc and guerrilla small guild.

Hello Fezt here from [NZFS]!

I would like to thank you for noticing the smaller but effective guilds out there that ARE making a difference. We are looking forward for this Friday’s match-up and we will be holding off our borderlands while the bigger guilds take care of EB.

“Ten soldiers wisely led, will beat one hundred without a head”. -Euripides-

I also want to thank [WM] for knowing what small 2 to 3 man guilds can be effective if done right. In the high tiers groups that can take camps quickly and effectively while the main zerg or two zergs captures towers/keeps can make or break upper tiers.

Right now these small groups may not always join a zerg for two reasons:
1) It’s totally unnecessary since we are blowing out the competition
2) We know when to join the zerg and when not to. We know we can be effective elsewhere like killing yaks, capturing camps, annoying the main enemy zerg, hitting gates to make them contested, etc.

[WM] understands this and for that, thank you.

WM Leader is being nice about it, but the way its looking right now, we wont be able to break through T4. I have seen them, they will make us look like we made FC look. If Kain doesnt get more organized, or a few NA Primetime guilds again, we wont break out of T5. I not only seen it, I experienced it before.

You guys could make it passed the next tier considering it’ll just be EB and DR. We haven’t seen a server break passed that tier in awhile… But boy do i wish you some serious luck breaking through T4 as i said in my previous post before it was deleted into thin air. Having the outmanned buff on your own BL won’t cut it there which ive seen before on kain bl, most likely because of the amount of pushing everywhere else. Hope you do some serious recruiting in the next week, as i said those bandwagon players drop off real quick on that first loss. Ask BP and DR.

I’m going to chime in now that some of the dust settles. You all bring up points that are required.

First (no win):
1 zerg = does not win everything always
1 player/pug or new person = does not win everything always

It’s all of the above. Cohesion and communication.

Example. 1 person killing dolyak’s and choking supply alone, while his mates are finishing up with objective, a squad/guild on defense building up keep (and upgrades), and other guerrila taking camps, and other solos treb-life is laying pressure to wall is all needed. Confused?

If you put all your eggs into 1 basket, you break your only shot at winning.

It takes all of the above, with comunication. I think we all know and agree.

T8 lover from kaineng, I personally witness the same difference 1 man makes when solo camp FAST. Not pew pew slow kill, AI respawns. I mean 15 seconds all dead captured. Or taking the island and enemy not see his seige despawn. but no supply in keep. All helps.

Hazal, absolutely right. First hand I witness 1 man ‘you’ killing every dolyak coming to SM before, while draining inner supply through repairs. Good point to be shared with everyone.

Little, yes, rally on zerg commander is needed to have good zerg versus zerg, and fast takeover. But also is using the ‘zerg’ skills strategically. Not just lay rams go hit door, works sometimes. Lay seige, cover people with projectile shields while building. Press under constant fire, needs protection to live or zerg = dead. Fight for every step. You remember dragonbrand? Lay arrow carts every 10 feet (they use little too much recklessly). Pug = not going to give you this. Player who says, I will sheild’ you can call on. Otherwise, you don’t know what your guys going to do. Yes, numbers win many battles, but we want to take Garrison? Look at NSP BL, when they held it for very long. NSP turtle seiged, zerg + golems die. Speed, bomb, protection, DPS… all needs right strategy and cohesion. Random player is not going to give cohesion yet, server still growing and we want to help them grow strong. He will give some minimal dps or lots and die fast … and res and go where ever he wants. Core things you need can’t be from random players. I agree good idea for this type of player to go to commander for extra manpower and to train the map (lots of karma), but commander will need tools to execute on his job.

Ai (apathy inc, delarme, kasha) … you guys run a very good guerrilla squad. This is what many more will be seeing in coming tiers. FA runs good 8-10 man teams, not 40. 1 40 man zerg take 1 objective. Four 10 man squads take 4. Math is there.

Map chat, what your objective is, and when complete = everyone. Map chat, what you see when you scout. Communication is pivotal, to help people understand best movements.

If you can help commander, do so. Or they will not command. There are many good guilds who fight for kaineng. You may not agree with various people or guilds… but we all fight. 1 person help another, each person joining forces grow us stronger.

Little, I will help you. You are great at defense. I have learned much from you over the months.

Jang, Ssous… one more thing needs to be added. WvW = very fun, and very costly. Everyone, every guild, help contribute where you can. Seige is free, but upgrades cost money. It will matter more up next 2 tiers. Help your server, I am.

~Xgammon / Hexin / Omega Bomberman [RE]

In above example… solo efforts are working with the zerg. Communication, and timing is important.

Random player enter map and do his own thing, is just that. Alone, not sure what or how it is helping. May help, but wouldn’t know the info. Helps more for people not in voice communications or map chats, if none of the above, to help commanders. All commanders. Make sense? You all post points that are right.

I have nothing to add to the above because it’s all trufax but zomg, [Ai] was mentioned! :*D

1 thing that I’ve personally seen needs worked on: Communication with PUGs.

Numerous times I saw people asking what they could do to help, or trying to keep people updated on what was happening, only for someone to respond “Get on Vent.” or the equivalent. Problem is…not everyone can do that. Whether because they have no headset, because they are deaf(I know several Kaineng Players who are.), because they’re at work or another location that simply won’t permit it…There are many reasons not to go on Vent, but no reason whatsoever as to why you can’t work on Map Communication as well as Vent Communication.

I know my guild will invite people to party who look like they took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and ended up in W3 and help them out if we have the room. They’re usually new and don’t know what is going on and it’s a huge help to them. More should do this; keep an eye out for lowbies who are just wandering around confused and can’t or won’t do Vent for whatever reason. You find some great players that way too.

Rob.7624:

Kaineng thief found inside Eternal spawn.
Is this against the rules or?

Because you guys know our zerg has changed map even before they’ve left the spawn, seems kind of uncool and unnecessary.

It went insta invis so I chased is down.

Judging from the reaction in this thread it’s likely considered an exploit.