Guild Wars 2

I think the major issue is needing people to play 12 hours + a day to be competitive…. I know you guys in T1 know what I’m talking about

I think it’s just fact that the server with the most players, wins. The best you can do is go for 2nd at that point…? Still a fun game, it’s just hard getting motivated to gain +200 points in a 2 hour session when 2nd place is already up 7k up on ya.

In my opinion this thread should be closed its gone way off topic its a score thread go create another one for call outs and excuses

Well that was kitten fun! Thanks to all who participated. Good times.

elderan.2638:

Have you guys noticed a drop in players? JQueue is no longer, since I only get queues on reset and even then it was instant into a BL 4 hours after reset. I’m starting to think its maybe not just on JQ but for the game in general, people moving on to other games maybe? Thoughts?

It isn’t just you, Tier 1 was just the least hit due to a constant influx of players in lower brackets transferring to them. The HoD, ET, and IoJ transfers also helped mask it. However Tier 1 is now susceptible since the populations in lower tiers has already been tapped.

WvW is getting boring. The maps are too small so zergs can cover too much. Having the 3 borderland maps the exact same is good for balance but makes them boring quickly. Player damage is another factor with there being far too much AOE and that AOE hits hard. This adds up to zergs getting wiped out too quickly so battles are from point to point instead of slowly progressing forward/backward. Am I the only one that wants long extended battles with tons of siege needed to take a tower let alone a garrison?

Heck I feel they need to add mine fields(anyone that’s played RFOnline knows what I’m talking about!), placeable walls/gates(spend time walling in that supply camp), class specific roles(thiefs can go steal supply from enemy keeps, engineers can build keep turrets, warriors can put up buff banners, necromancers can add minions that patrol, rangers provide an eagle “radar” system that pings when enemies are near, etc. The WvW just needs a lot more depth than just get supply and zerg stuff. A well fortified garrison should be an absolute nightmare for a zerg. I could go on but seems like a waste of time.

Great job to all 3 servers.
You are all amazing allies/opponents.

I had tons of awesome fights this and last week and I’m sure there are more to come.

I’m on Blackgate so you guys might not like me. Well I don’t like you back either!
Don’t forget though that without enemies to dislike/fight W3 wouldn’t be there.
I’m happy disliking you guys right back and fighting any of you when I’m online.
Do forgive me for being whiny now and then, I’m just a human.

I’ve fought on BG since day 1, win or loose, I’m usually there to fight on.
BG had fought our way up to the sub-top, the way we were before the transfer bomb.
Our comfortable playing field was around T3~T2
After the tranfer bomb it meant few weeks of “fights vs doors mostly”.
No disrespect to the servers we completely overthrew by numbers.

Blackgate was stacked heavily just before our fight vs FA/TC 3 weeks ago.
Because we steamrolled that fight (due to our numbers) some core BG people that wanted more balanced fights actually left.
Even more people thirsty for good fights and a good part of the new transfers left when we got to completely PvDoor ET/HoD and scored a new score world record of about 700k something points.
We got plenty of server hopping people in return, that saw this “epic” score and came for points only. That “epic” score was just a sad score, not fun for either 3 of the sides.

Those 2 weeks of completely overpowering our enemies didn’t help BG with its name either only pissing off servers.
Sorry for the bad match-up guys. I think you all understand how it happened and hopefully having a blast in your new matches.

So there we were, after the HoD/ET match going up into T1, with our crew of loads of newcomers without a clue that came just for the points.

Don’t get me wrong on this one though.
We did get some great PvP guilds and players, that stayed.
SBI did get to see us way back when we met in Tier2 though and at that time, Blackgate did need a lot more to compete with SBI.
So having these guilds/players was necessary to even think about T1.

Moving on to our entrance into T1.
Halloween was right there to help us out, and as these newly transferred players, were here to stomp hard in W3 we got to cover all maps heavily whole weekend.
It was our entrance into T1 so we had much bigger numbers going in than people which sat in T1 for plenty of time and enjoyed their Halloween novelty over the usual T1 fights.

Then our newcomers started the gloating.
The weekend wasn’t even over and they were singing praises of how Beastgate conquered T1.
I couldn’t believe it either, how ignorant this was.

On the other side, the hacking and turtle exploiting accusations started.

Let us not focus on the hacking at this point anymore as probably neither side would agree on what exactly happened.
With orbs being out of the game this does not as heavily affect the outcome anymore.
Seriously though, ArenaNet, what the hell?
Do something about the actual hacks, don’t kill game features for it!

Anyway, turtling.
It’s being used by all 3 servers now and all 3 servers know the pro’s and con’s of it.
It’s not the amazing overpowered/un-kill-able tactic as people made it out to be.
SBI/JQ got really surprised by it during our entrance into T1, which did help BG to score a bigger lead that weekend.
Here’s the thing though. SBI/JQ went from crying over it to accepting and using it.

Lets look at our current situation.
We ain’t steamrolling as we were up until now.
Most of the chestpumpers moved on to the next epic server or quit.
(did I hear SoS?)

Just like JQ/SBI cried foul play vs us, lots of us are clinging to a reason why we are loosing now.

The reason whatever it might be is not important though.

If we want to be in tier 1 Blackgate.
If we want to fight at the top, then that means we have to adapt to whatever the situation is.
Be it 2v1 against us, be it us being outnumbered/outplayed or whatever.
If that’s how the things are, so be it.

If we want to win, which we do!
Then we will overcome this or go down trying and not crying on here about how bad it is.

If you are on Blackgate and aren’t ready to fight/improve and give more than your all.
Then don’t ya dare blaming the loss on the other 2 teams or the real fighters of Blackgate.

SBI/JQ
Thank you for bleeding our noses and bashing our heads in.
That is how the real Beastgate looks the prettiest though.
We might get beaten up, but we will never go down!
We are thirsty for blood, even if it comes out of our own scull.

This post is meant as a compliment to all 3 servers for their amazing fights.
As a little background story of where Blackgate came from.
As a call to arms to anyone on Beastgate.
And as an invite to Blackgate for those that are serious about W3 and like to take the role of the challenger rather than the champion.

The sheer death toll from these other guys has been fun over the weekend, you get props for dying that often. Thanks very much for the lootbags, badges and stuff.

There has and always will be a fairly sizable group of core-BG wvw players that have been here since day one and will probably be around for some time yet to carry the flag regardless of winning, losing or having murdered everything- end up farming the grub and jump puzzle for 2 weeks and talking about making the other team eating whole bags of bacon wrapped… stuff on mumble.

We’re not flashy, don’t brag, often not very nice people because quite a lot of us drink (some more than others) and don’t get a lot of sleep or sunlight. But regardless of how this plays out or whoever thinks they’re “special” moves on to the next shiny thing, we’ll still be here, breaking your stuff and violating your noobs.

^I dunno about all that stuff Distaste, but they definitely need to add SOMETHING to WvW. It’s pretty pathetic when you realize that the only thing in WvW that’s been changed since launch is that they REMOVED a feature (orbs). They badly need to add some new content because the points game just isn’t cutting it any more.

Even more depressing is we are all most likely going to be playing the exact same match up next week, unless some server stops logging in altogether. SBI vs JQ vs BG is going to be an endless battle *sigh* The match up site has that same thing happening to tier 2 as well, none of the top 6 servers are projected to even change their place. Great... so we’re all nice and equalized now... how exciting...

Snow Aeth.1937:

Great job to all 3 servers.
You are all amazing allies/opponents.

I had tons of awesome fights this and last week and I’m sure there are more to come.

SNIP….

This post is meant as a compliment to all 3 servers for their amazing fights.
As a little background story of where Blackgate came from.
As a call to arms to anyone on Beastgate.
And as an invite to Blackgate for those that are serious about W3 and like to take the role of the challenger rather than the champion.

Trimmed the post so it didn’t copy and paste the whole thing but this is very well said and I admire you for saying it. Stay strong.

Score as of 10:31 PM PST on 11/4.

I came from SoS to Blackgate after the brutal beatdown SoS put on the transfered servers; I wanted a more competitive environment.

Let me go on the record and say the way BG is playing right now, SoS deserves to be in T1 more than us. if BG could get their heads out of their own kitten and see that 2v1 is able to be handled and actually respond accordingly we could do something; but until then.

Soft it up in T2 and 3.

Recorded some video of JQ Borderlands from this past Saturday night(EST), and cut a 20 min video of some of our 3 way fighting surrounding the keep.

Fun times!

JQ Borderlands 3 Nov

Rad i’m totally in that video ahhahahaha! I’m the fat norn warrior from blackgate shooting his rifle at you atop of that rock around 7:37. Too funny! Get off my rock beotch!

lol. You guys were smashing us! Couldn’t even leave our spawn zone. Blackgate, where you at?

good times

looks like i make another brief appearance at the end. i was the one that lead the attack down to champs for BG to get supply. We eventually wiped, but we got enough supply to siege up that tower while you guys were distracted. We got sooo close!!!! the gate was down when you guys finally came back! i could of cried atm i saw the gate go back to like 20 percent!!! hahaha, so rad watching it from the other perspective. thanks for posting this

Glad you liked it!

You guys certainly had the short end of the stick that night, but you kept at it!

Past my bedtime!

Night all and enjoy the score

“I would like to congratulate SBI on an amazing bay defense. as you may have known we punched though the north gate (JQ) with 2 golems to allow blackgate to try to take bay at the same time as us. When this happened you guys held it for a good 2-3 hours inside the inner keeps against both servers and it made for a hell of fun fight inside even if we couldnt take it. I frapsed a good bit of the siege and will be posting it up soon. That was one hell of a defense guys and was a ton of fun to fight in there”

Thanks for the props, here is a short vid of some of the defense you speak of…. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JGouns2tHvw

As you all may know BG had it’s fair share of bandwagoning bads. We have no presense on the BL maps and there’s always a queue up in EB. After taking SM a large portion of pugs just sit inside the castle praying someone attacks so they can get their 3 silver 92 copper from the event. On Sunday afternoon, while keeps and supply camps were being harassed and bombarded by both JQ and SBI, two BG commanders took the zerg all the way across the map to kill Overgrown Grub near JQ keep.

T1 WvW is like a prison cell, and right now BG is looking soft as kitten.

Snow Aeth.1937:

Great job to all 3 servers.
You are all amazing allies/opponents.
This post is meant as a compliment to all 3 servers for their amazing fights…

Snow, I actually gained a LOT of respect for you for this post. I guess most of us overlooked the fact that the 3% of your population that posted on the forums isn’t the definition of your entire server. Those that did post left a bad taste in our mouths, so we just adopted the whole if its BG it dies, attitude.

I do hope that next week isn’t another JQ SBI BG matchup. Id say most of us will set that week out. A net, please take stock… you’re boring us to death with this.

I’ve been having a blast. Usually our night krewe (see what I did there), will take a lot on SBI. But tonight, we didn’t have as good of a turnout and also commanders making bad decisions, but we still held our ground on EB. I was happy about that.

I’m enjoying this week a lot more than last weeks. I just hope JQ and BG wake up

All this moaning from BG is actually pretty funny. Anyone else notice it started shortly after the orbs were removed ?

So basically BG is pretty useless without having 3 orb buffs ? Is that why they were were “borrowed using unconventional methods” so often ?

On a brighter side. There have been some pretty kitten fine fights had out there some huge seiges. (liked our 10 golem push just to take out your 7 trebbs hitting Woodhaven) Thought it was kitten funny when you ran to lords room to defend and only a handful kept you all busy there while rest ran to top to break the trebs For the record we did not want the castle just to rid u all of those pesky trebs

also, current scores after WM rolled thru JQ border with 9 golems.

@ cover girl must be nice to to be rich to make golems yes ?

Wasn’t me haha, it was our Koreans. I just ran along beside them shooting rabbits and JQ.

@Decrypter It could be guild golems. I know we havea few of those stocked up in my guild. course then again they could have farmed that much gold to have that many.

I really hope BG goes down a tier until we get our man numbers back up. I logged in last night to just run around in our huge 10 man zerg. XD

First off I would like to say that Tier 1 has been fun the past week and a half.

For those who are saying that BG just isn’t ready for Tier 1, I ask why? We dominate tier 2 all the time, sometimes holding both opponents to less than 10,000 in a whole week. We came in 2nd last week in tier 1 (with the hurricane and Halloween event, even though all realms didn’t have full force, it’s still 2nd place).
Som might say we don’t belong because our strategies lack, well that’s simply because we are still used to face rolling tier 2 and not used to actual fights. Give us a few weeks to adjusts our strategies and we will progressively get better.

I am from Blackgate and I will straight up say JQ and SBI are better than us, there’s no denying that.

And using the whole orb hacking reason to say we aren’t ready, let me tell you that was one guild doing that hack and they do not represent how the rest of us in Blackgate play.
Most of us on Blackgate do not applaud those kind of tactics.

We are losing right now, but many thought we would have flat out been dominated, but that just didn’t happen. We are still around with a good chunk of points.

If we were to go back to tier 2, we would probably just dominate that and you would see us in tier 1 the next week again anyway.

We are ready for Tier 1, we may not be better than SBI or JQ but we have the potential and being in Tier 1 week in and week out we will progressively get better and give you guys a better fight.

Good luck to all realms and have fun!

Syphen.1980:

@Decrypter It could be guild golems. I know we havea few of those stocked up in my guild. course then again they could have farmed that much gold to have that many.

Jumping puzzles most likely. I’ve gotten at least 7 over the past couple weeks from them, so it’s not hard to fathom that a few people have been stockpiling someone.

Bambam.3961:

First off I would like to say that Tier 1 has been fun the past week and a half.

For those who are saying that BG just isn’t ready for Tier 1, I ask why? We dominate tier 2 all the time, sometimes holding both opponents to less than 10,000 in a whole week.

Sorry in advance for the long winded message but I think this sums stuff up pretty well.

Snow Aeth.1937 pretty much summed it up a few posts earlier also.

I wouldn’t say you guys aren’t ready for T1 but it is a completely different beast. I know back in the HoD days when we dropped to T2 we slaughtered and massacred. Then when we moved back up to T1 it was a tossup between us JQ and ET.

T1 is not necesarrily about better strats although that plays a huge part in it but T1 has better coverage in different timezones so it tends to be a lot more competitive. That and NA primetime is brutal for all servers since pops are relitivly even.

You just have to pick yourself up and make due with when you do have the coverage, take advantage of other servers lack of coverage in a TZ to close the gap as much as you can. If you do 10X better in the TZ’s you do have coverage in you can minimize the domination in the ones you don’t

T1 is definately a humbling experience but it is a good one if you take and learn. The first time we fought JQ in T1 with HoD they earned the monniker JQQ because of the forum whining here much like a few vocal members of BG are doing this round. JQ however took there beating and came back stronger than ever afterwards. Now they command great respect from us because they have proven they can take what they are handed and make the best of it and not complain.

The chest thumping prior to entering T1 and even during the first week did set the tone for a lack of respect from the guilds that have been in T1 from the start. It almost was a challenge of come and beat us senseless we can beat you 2v1 and that is what happened. The thought was here is this up and coming server that thinks they are hot stuff and are the next HoD and that made us in T1 want to slap you like a red headed step child even more. The boasting was writing checks you couldn’t cash. If you notice SBI and JQ for the most part don’t boast about being the best they just play their hearts out and congralute the other on a fight well done.

The trick to T1 is suck it up and have fun :-D. I definately wish Beastgate the best of luck and maybe this experience will lose you some of the bandwagoners and whiners and you can rebuild a stronger presence than ever. Great match all around this week though at least during NA primetime.

Bambam.3961:

First off I would like to say that Tier 1 has been fun the past week and a half.

For those who are saying that BG just isn’t ready for Tier 1, I ask why? We dominate tier 2 all the time, sometimes holding both opponents to less than 10,000 in a whole week. We came in 2nd last week in tier 1 (with the hurricane and Halloween event, even though all realms didn’t have full force, it’s still 2nd place).
Som might say we don’t belong because our strategies lack, well that’s simply because we are still used to face rolling tier 2 and not used to actual fights. Give us a few weeks to adjusts our strategies and we will progressively get better.

I am from Blackgate and I will straight up say JQ and SBI are better than us, there’s no denying that.

And using the whole orb hacking reason to say we aren’t ready, let me tell you that was one guild doing that hack and they do not represent how the rest of us in Blackgate play.
Most of us on Blackgate do not applaud those kind of tactics.

We are losing right now, but many thought we would have flat out been dominated, but that just didn’t happen. We are still around with a good chunk of points.

If we were to go back to tier 2, we would probably just dominate that and you would see us in tier 1 the next week again anyway.

We are ready for Tier 1, we may not be better than SBI or JQ but we have the potential and being in Tier 1 week in and week out we will progressively get better and give you guys a better fight.

Good luck to all realms and have fun!

It is great to see the sportsmanship oriented BG members. It looks like we will be playing each other a bit more in future regardless of this placement as JQ and SBI have no perma “auto-lock” on T1,and yeah 2nd or 3rd place in T1 is nothing to sneeze at IMO since well, we (JQ) took both those placements recently :-P. Not a one of us can say we’ve been T1 continuously since day one.

It’s definitely not just about getting number one slot, although there’s defiantly a sense of accomplishment for it, it should be about enjoying the competition, and ideally the competitors too, but that might be reaching for some lol.

Compared to servers like SoS; or SoR. BG has not only better coverage but more sound strategies. Reason why SoS and SoR are both in T2 is purely because they have such a strong and dominant night squad being largely Oceanic based. However during the day both servers have NA guilds/players that love to throw games.

Thing is; T1 is a completely different beast than T2 and under. The strategies are more complex and the pressure on the wining team is a lot higher. 2v1s happen; BG has to look at the 2v1 with a level head and develop defense strategies and hell even watch what SBI does against 2v1s; instead of crying about it. Getting 2v1d in T1 is a rite of passage every T1 server has to deal with at some point; and learning to handle it is a huge weight off your shoulders.

That being said; when not being 2v1d BG does just fine; however I noticed a blatant lack of anything tricky. BG plays too standard, we were getting pounded by Mesmer portals last night during the BG|BL standoff at Arahs/LV/Keep. Also the server needs to better react to pressure better. I watched (Before I went to bed) keep get pushed to the wall but SBI fell back to take Arah’s while SE Gate was getting pushed in; instead of falling back to defend the wall the small zerg (15-20 players) went to intercept a lost cause at Arah’s wasting time; instead of falling back and properly defending/regrouping.

At the end of the day; as said before, BG has what it takes to be in T1, more so than Sea of Sorrows or Sanctum of Rall (Especially Sanctum of Rall; they are literally a zerg they have numbers and practically no strategy.) and Sea of Sorrows is a decent server with; shall we say it; fortunate, time zoning.

So did all of those obnoxious trash talkers that were posting from BG last week already jump ship? If so that’s just sad. I really wish they would increase the server transfer timeframe to 30 days. 7 days doesn’t prevent bandwagon hopping at all.

JQ, you guys have really stepped it up this week! Good fights!

They might have but hey even if they transfer to another T1 server then whenever that server doesn’t win they will jump ship again and things can go back to normal. The true core of the server will still remain strong.

The bandwagon kids do they; one slight clue of doing bad they jump ship. They all went to Sea of Sorrows to leave there when they don’t move to T1 or get stomped when entering T1

Alsonia.4753

Compared to servers like SoS; or SoR. BG has not only better coverage but more sound strategies. Reason why SoS and SoR are both in T2 is purely because they have such a strong and dominant night squad being largely Oceanic based. However during the day both servers have NA guilds/players that love to throw games.

Thing is; T1 is a completely different beast than T2 and under. The strategies are more complex and the pressure on the wining team is a lot higher. 2v1s happen; BG has to look at the 2v1 with a level head and develop defense strategies and hell even watch what SBI does against 2v1s; instead of crying about it. Getting 2v1d in T1 is a rite of passage every T1 server has to deal with at some point; and learning to handle it is a huge weight off your shoulders.

That being said; when not being 2v1d BG does just fine; however I noticed a blatant lack of anything tricky. BG plays too standard, we were getting pounded by Mesmer portals last night during the BG|BL standoff at Arahs/LV/Keep. Also the server needs to better react to pressure better. I watched (Before I went to bed) keep get pushed to the wall but SBI fell back to take Arah’s while SE Gate was getting pushed in; instead of falling back to defend the wall the small zerg (15-20 players) went to intercept a lost cause at Arah’s wasting time; instead of falling back and properly defending/regrouping.

At the end of the day; as said before, BG has what it takes to be in T1, more so than Sea of Sorrows or Sanctum of Rall (Especially Sanctum of Rall; they are literally a zerg they have numbers and practically no strategy.) and Sea of Sorrows is a decent server with; shall we say it; fortunate, time zoning.

Wow, nice to see you know so much about SoS and SoR. I’m sure you’ve played against them quite a bit to be able to actually come to a conclusion about both servers. Also full analysis of BG. I’m glad you are keeping track of all three servers to be able to give conclusions and commentary about them.

I used to play on Sea of Sorrows but sadly due to time zone issues with Sea of Sorrows being a very Oceanic heavy server; their mid day/US time zone WvW was weak. I can say that against the time we played against SoR; they had a stronger mid day but got beat outright at night .

SoR has better coverage and more people while SoS has better strategy; a lot of day play on SoS was damage control after Australia straight up dominated at night. I feel bad for SoS since they’re gonna be getting the bandwagoners with their recent performances.

I’ve had friends that played on ET and HoD pre-transfer disaster and the frustration of learning to deal with 2v1 was there; especially when chatting with them about it. My knowledge on Blackgate is minimal seeing as I have only been here about a week and a half now; as I transfered to Blackgate over SBI/JQ simply for the learning experience that comes with just entering T1 and having a more stable US based server; but from what I have seen BG is making some costly amateur mistakes in the defense department… but offensively they are sound. But other than that BG is a young T1 server only time will tell if they can actually adapt to T1 play style and deserve to be there.

Blackgate players really need to stop. You sound like Desolation right now. So much whining.

Do you not realize (aside from the fact that it’s not true) that the constant crying about 2v1 is giving you a bad name? People don’t want to go to a server full of complainers.

The biggest challenge we faced at BG this weekend was the lack of players. Historically we have always been strong on weekends. I don’t know if we had a mass exodus or people just didn’t want to play but being out-manned on 3 out of 4 maps was not at all uncommon. Hence we could only focus on a few maps and were forced to leave the rest without any BG presence. I think our opponents can agree that wherever we had the numbers we gave them a good fight.

The other issue I have seen is lack of confidence in our commanders. We have a handful of well known, outstanding commanders and when they are around we do well. Unfortunately they cannot be on 24/7 and on all of the maps. For every outstanding commander we have one or two that purchased a status symbol for 100g. Case and point: last week I was in BG BL and the commander that was in charge was performing rather poorly. After several of our zergs got wiped in pointless attacks people started questioning his tactical decisions. This is what he had to say: “I don’t care what the peasants think. I am a commander and you will do what I say.”. The end result is that even when one of our excellent commanders is in charge people tend to ignore their orders and go off doing their own thing. Since Anet made it relatively easy to obtain commander status I wish they would implement some kind of performance based rating system.

I feel like people vest too much power in themselves upon getting the commander title; the ability to lead a team is earned not given upon farming 100g in AC

Blade.9317:

The biggest challenge we faced at BG this weekend was the lack of players. Historically we have always been strong on weekends. I don’t know if we had a mass exodus or people just didn’t want to play but being out-manned on 3 out of 4 maps was not at all uncommon. Hence we could only focus on a few maps and were forced to leave the rest without any BG presence. I think our opponents can agree that wherever we had the numbers we gave them a good fight.

The other issue I have seen is lack of confidence in our commanders. We have a handful of well known, outstanding commanders and when they are around we do well. Unfortunately they cannot be on 24/7 and on all of the maps. For every outstanding commander we have one or two that purchased a status symbol for 100g. Case and point: last week I was in BG BL and the commander that was in charge was performing rather poorly. After several of our zergs got wiped in pointless attacks people started questioning his tactical decisions. This is what he had to say: “I don’t care what the peasants think. I am a commander and you will do what I say.”. The end result is that even when one of our excellent commanders is in charge people tend to ignore their orders and go off doing their own thing. Since Anet made it relatively easy to obtain commander status I wish they would implement some kind of performance based rating system.

yep, this happens to all servers I fear.

1. a lot of what commanders do is focus the players. Give them something to aim at and on competitive servers people already kinda know what to do. If they trust the commander they do it, if they don’t they start to straggle or falter or talk back or question etc and then the downhill rolls begin of course.

1. any player who can effectively get a majority of the map on the same plan without alienating large portions of the players can step up when the commanders log off. Its partially confidence and we all know what happens to commanders that mess up and say what they were thinking out loud… don’t do that it goes a long way.

1. the peasants are a lot sharper than they look… there’s many OMWTFXZERS mixed in of course, if you can handle it with dignified assertiveness it will pass, otherwise none of us like being told we are useless or treated like the only person on the map that knows anything is the one with the mic keyed. Commander’s can’t solo anything of lasting worth on the map, they need the “peasants” for it all.

1. It sucks to be the boss. Every comment is a crack in confidence, some have thicker skin naturally some gotta grow it over time, but none of them are immune to self doubt. Lashing out at the “peasants” is always self doubt taking over in the form of it has to be someone else fault. Win or loss it’s always the leaders fault, so giving them some space to mess up a little goes a long way to thickening that confidence level and, making better leaders to work for.

Might sound cheesy but the server communities build leaders as much as the guilds build the community. IMO of course.

Newest score update on this game.

@ Altie.4571…

LOL!!!! You must have missed this:

Fourth.5603:

All last week I never really bought the whole 2v1 argument that was going down. Granted, I really only played in SBI BL (being on SBI myself), I never saw complete domination of BG. Today however, I braved the 1h+ que to get into EB and saw that most of BG’s territories were being dominated by SBI, and a few with JQ. Looking at the score, I see that SBI is only up on JQ a few hundred points, and both realms are sitting at around 275 currently. Then in chat someone posts “Why are we beating on Blackgate when JQ is only a few hundred points behind”, to which most of the replies came “Blackgate are hackers”, “Blackgate is the stronger server”, “Blackgate had this coming”….this replies kinda cought me off guard.

I don’t really believe that there is a true 2v1 pac between SBI and JQ, but many players seem to have the mentality that Blackgate simply deserves to be crushed….Kinda cheap IMO

Give us a little credit in knowing when something is fishy!! We have been saying that SBI has been after us and not really paying attention to JQ. It also seems like JQ has the same feelings or at the very least taking advantage of it. So I like how someone from SBI chimes in and proves what we have been saying is true. I don’t really care that we get 2v1’d but lets call it for what it really is. Not some random 2v1 that generally happens in WvW. We had more man power last week to deal with it up until Wednesday but certainly not this week.

I am sure most on BG will tell you that we are better than the +65 / +70 points (at the time of writing this post) we have right now but I am not sure what is expected of us when we are outmanned and being beat on by both teams while their front lines are for the most part fight free. Not to mention that we are in 3rd place.

Either way… 2v1 us all you want we wont stop trying but please stop trying to make it out like its not obvious to us that its no ‘typical’ 2v1. As proven by an SBI poster. We may be down but certainly not out.

Just to be clear… I am not whinning about being 2v1’d… I just want to make the clear distinction (as several other players) of what a typical 2v1 is and what has been going on the past week. Please read the post from the SBI player again before trying to flame.

Let’s face it… we’re all victims of the 2v1 at some point. It’s a matter of opportunity. For example, we see Black Gate hitting Bay from the northeast (held by SBI) and decide it’s advantageous for us to hit SBI down south to split them up and not only take advantage of less resistance but to help BG crack a fully fortified Bay, which helps us out as well (BG being behind in points, SBI ahead, better for BG to have the point ticks). Other times we’ll be getting hit at two places simultaneously for assumed similar reasons.

Basically, you’d be a fool to not take advantage of your enemies current weaknesses with an impromptu 2v1. If helping BG for the moment weakens SBI, it helps us. Perhaps hitting BG from a different direction when SBI is pressing them helps us grabs a strategic location from BG. Maybe BG and SBI find a moment of opportunity by both hitting us.

So yes. We’ve all been teamed up on. We’ve all been victimized by the 2v1. It happens, it’ll happen again. You’d be foolish to not do it on occasion.

I’m struggling to understand how anyone can complain about 2v1 in a 3 way fight.

I mean… by the very definition of 3 way fight, isn’t it IMPOSSIBLE not to 2v1 someone at all times?

While it may appear as 2v1 what we are really seeing is tactics 101. Please stop your nerd rage and try to think for a minute. Put yourself in a SBI/JQ commanders shoes.

Basically you have two choices:

1. Attack an equal opponent and fight tooth and nail for every point.

or

2. Go after a weaker opponent and grab as many points as possible with the least amount of effort.

If I was a commander at SBI/JQ I would be doing the same exact thing and I would choose 2. It may appear like 2v1 but in reality both servers are just taking the path of least resistance and grabbing relatively easy points from us. Eventually they may turn on each other but as long as we keep providing them with easy gains it won’t happen. It sucks being on the receiving end but that is how it is.

Man you guys are slick.
We’ve been trying to keep the conspiracy secret, but it finally came out.

Time to give up the covert operation guys. Our nefarious plan to 2v1 BG has been brought out into the light of day.

Seriously, drop it already. Even if you were being 2v1 do you think coming onto these boards would do anything to change that situation?
Personally, I just want to fight people and take possessions off of their corpses.

Why can’t we all just kill each other and have fun?

The day you stop complaining about 2v1 nonsense, is the day the rest of the community will take your posts seriously. WvW is designed to be ALWAYS 2v1, how have you not understood this very simple fact, it’s been 2 months.

The reasons popping up here and there are individual perspectives, and the overall goal is to maximize our advantage. There is no sole reason, it’s mostly convenience, and path of least resistance. So, in certain situations, a server will have to face an extended period of focus from the other two. How long this will last depends on the response of the server on the receiving end. And “whining” about it, is the silliest response, which will do you absolutely no good, except perhaps fortify the mentality of the community, that you deserve it. Man up, toughen your behinds, and keep fighting. Yes, it will suck, but you have to keep it up. You must put up the sort of resistance that will force the other servers to realize that the effort required to overcome you is better utilized elsewhere. Even if you don’t succeed, you will be remembered for how tough you were. That will be taken into account for future sieges. Instead, if you act like paper tigers, all roar and no bite, expect to be ruthlessly demolished and beaten back so that another server with a better attitude can take your place.

If you are outmanned, noone will leave you alone. What do you expect? The weaker targets go first, always. Take some time off if you have to, get your kitten together, and get back into the fight at full force. Don’t expect other servers to give you any kind of free pass, especially in T1.

We’re in it to win it. If you’re not, you’re out.

TL;DR: If you expect WvW to be a circlejerk of Green fighting Blue, Blue fighting Red, and Red fighting Green, you are delusional.

PS: Props to everyone on BG borderlands yesterday night for the epic fights at DFB.

“We’re in it to win it. If you’re not, you’re out.”

Thats the main issue with the 2v1. As I have constantly stated.
It’s not SBI. It’s JQ.
As the team in second they NEED to start attacking the team in first in order to actually take first. But they arent. JQ is literally playing to lose every time they focus blackgate.

2v1 is expected, nessecary, and obviously going to happen. But if anyone on JQ actually maybe thought about how to get themselves into first place, they might come to the realization that they arent going to take BG territory faster than SBI will, and all they’re doing is solidifying their second place position with every attack.

Now, maybe that’s acceptable to them. But I have a hard time believing that the previous rank 1 server finds it acceptable to roll over and take a second place position.

inb4 5 SBI posters with absolutely no clue come in and falsely accuse this post of crying.

I don’t necesarrily think JQ is shooting for second I think it is mostly a coverage issue now and seems like people quit playing or gave up. Last week we couldn’t hold the lead in PPT during the daytime of the week and today it seems like the other servers just aren’t even there. So either some massive euro guilds transfered in and I don’t know about it or something is up with the other two servers logging in and giving it a shot.

Syphen.1980:

I don’t necesarrily think JQ is shooting for second I think it is mostly a coverage issue now and seems like people quit playing or gave up. Last week we couldn’t hold the lead in PPT during the daytime of the week and today it seems like the other servers just aren’t even there. So either some massive euro guilds transfered in and I don’t know about it or something is up with the other two servers logging in and giving it a shot.

Likely the other servers giving up a bit. But I wouldn’t count them out. I expect them both to start pushing.

As for the whole 2V1, BG BL on both Saturday and Sunday morning (8 to 10 pst), it felt like BG and JQ were 2V1’ing SBI. In fact a couple times, they pushed SBI off the map completely. It sucked, but slowly SBI clawed back in to BL. 2V1 happens, it sucks when it happens to your realm.

A simple strat to break up 2V1’s: Start friction between them. Take 5 people and hit supply camps between the two and kill doylaks. Eventually a zerg will come find you. Start over and do the same thing. It eases pressure on your server mates that are trying to take over other camps/towers near your spawn point. The best is when you get the a zerg from each realm to clash.