Guild Wars 2

It’s another week of this matchup, what are you expecting to see? What are you hoping to see? What would you like to see?

Keep it civil guys/gals….let’s show our community pride without the accusations.

ktith.6197:

It’s another week of this matchup, what are you expecting to see? What are you hoping to see? What would you like to see?

Keep it civil guys/gals….let’s show our community pride without the accusations.

Last week was fun, especially the last few minutes fighting GoM at their keep.

If the accusations, and actual cheaters, can stop I think it will be another fun week.

Actual cheaters? lol. Please.

Good luck again AR/BP. It’s interesting to see different winning swervers every week. Which one of us will pull through and move up in tier? I don’t hope for any server to drop in tier but sadly it happens.

LET’S GO GATES OF MADNESS!!!!

nice to see bp trying to spawn camp already. what exactly are you so afraid of?

Not a half hour in and this happens.

Wohooo! Go Borlis Pass! And everyone else..

Evilzara.6378:

Wohooo! Go Borlis Pass! And everyone else..

Yeah, looks like it’s going to be a good fight. GoM is a pain to get out of a place, they dig in like tics.

Derako.3856:

Not a half hour in and this happens.

Yep, as much as they like to say it, they have far superior numbers. They have that many you see in Gates of Madness borderlands, in Anvil Rock Borderlands.

What’s worse, they have the same size force in their own backyard defending, with an overflow in Eternal Battlegrounds, and I have no idea how big the Borlis EB force is.

All the while, GoM, and AR can’t get enough to defend their own backyard.

But watch, they’ll come in here and tell us they’ve had the outmanned buff, even though we have screenshots showing it to be a lie.

I look forward to be being completely camped for this entire week, its kinda sad when BP has the numbers to challenge the Risen Army itself.

They need to just move them up a tier, they’re the ONLY server the devs said doesn’t have a population issue, in the lower tiers.

Looks like BP has a good start. Maybe they’ll move up a tier next week and ET will move down. I hope we (GoM) and AR put up enough fight that DR stays in the bottom tier for at least another week.

Funny how BP is attacking GOM but AR is untouched. I guess they love taking advantage of the server with the smallest amount of players. It boosts their esteem.

Looking forward to seeing them get smashed when they go up a tier.

As for this week, I don’t see much point to play. People are getting tired of playing the same teams over & over & over and there is very little morale as it is.

jkctmc.8754:

They need to just move them up a tier, they’re the ONLY server the devs said doesn’t have a population issue, in the lower tiers.

Seriously, Just move them up already.

Its not fun being outmanned.

I don’t mind the same matchups as long as they are relatively even. Seems we’re not quite there yet.

Yep, definitely going to be mapping out Tyria this week. Zero Point in fighting 400 BP soldiers when we got about 20 people running around with their heads cut off.

Oh and a shoutout to Kalkz who left our server for BP to “level up his alts” as the rumor goes. Hope it goes well for you…

Eviator.9746:

I don’t mind the same matchups as long as they are relatively even. Seems we’re not quite there yet.

And this one isn’t.

I think I’m just tired of this matchup. And its just overkill how they stomp us.

Derako.3856:

Yep, definitely going to be mapping out Tyria this week. Zero Point in fighting 400 BP soldiers when we got about 20 people running around with their heads cut off.

Oh and a shoutout to Kalkz who left our server for BP to “level up his alts” as the rumor goes. Hope it goes well for you…

Good idea. AR and Boris can have it.

Eviator.9746:

Looks like BP has a good start. Maybe they’ll move up a tier next week and ET will move down. I hope we (GoM) and AR put up enough fight that DR stays in the bottom tier for at least another week.

the only way AR will be putting up a good fight is if they stop letting BP do all their dirty work and fight their own battles against GoM.

Already broken?

GoM was non-existent in their own BG during launch, we took advantage of it. If anvil even sent 30-40 people on there they would have stopped us from steamrolling.

Funny, 4-5 match ups ago, we were the underdogs.

I don’t know when we got the population boost. It hasn’t been noticeable in terms of new guilds.

ahh i see a new topic but ya I’ll be Happy get back in a wvw but I’m amost done with the tokens for a new sword that’s if the zone is not bug. and may Farm some Undead in the events.

Hymnosi.5928:

Already broken?

GoM was non-existent in their own BG during launch, we took advantage of it. If anvil even sent 30-40 people on there they would have stopped us from steamrolling.

Funny, 4-5 match ups ago, we were the underdogs.

I don’t know when we got the population boost. It hasn’t been noticeable in terms of new guilds.

We barely had 30 in our own lands, how in the world could we send that many to GoM, when you have more than us in our own back yard?

Derako.3856:

Not a half hour in and this happens.

And? About 30 guys taking a keep? Whats the point, if it is even 30.

Its not like we weren’t trying to move up, we were 1.7 points behind moving up

jkctmc.8754:

Derako.3856:

Not a half hour in and this happens.

Yep, as much as they like to say it, they have far superior numbers. They have that many you see in Gates of Madness borderlands, in Anvil Rock Borderlands.

What’s worse, they have the same size force in their own backyard defending, with an overflow in Eternal Battlegrounds, and I have no idea how big the Borlis EB force is.

All the while, GoM, and AR can’t get enough to defend their own backyard.

But watch, they’ll come in here and tell us they’ve had the outmanned buff, even though we have screenshots showing it to be a lie.

we get the outmanned buff too my friend and if you look and took notice of the fights in borderlands ya will notice we pull our resources very well regardless of numbers, i cant count the amount of times i have watched AR and GOM team up on us this last week just to be smashed by half the numbers from us at times. But 1 thing i will say is the fights between us all have been amazing and ive enjoyed every moment

Derako.3856:

Not a half hour in and this happens.

you seem to be the only 1 complaining looking at your chat mate… 1 guy is even saying you guys are just stood around not fighting… but saying that if i see that many peeps i just stand back too lol

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we get the outmanned buff too my friend and if you look and took notice of the fights in borderlands ya will notice we pull our resources very well regardless of numbers, i cant count the amount of times i have watched AR and GOM team up on us this last week just to be smashed by half the numbers from us at times. But 1 thing i will say is the fights between us all have been amazing and ive enjoyed every moment[/quote]

Children, this is why drugs are bad for you.

Rojix.9840:

we get the outmanned buff too my friend and if you look and took notice of the fights in borderlands ya will notice we pull our resources very well regardless of numbers, i cant count the amount of times i have watched AR and GOM team up on us this last week just to be smashed by half the numbers from us at times. But 1 thing i will say is the fights between us all have been amazing and ive enjoyed every moment[/quote]

Children, this is why drugs are bad for you.[/quote]

truth must hurt for such sarcasm… tnx for that remark. =)

Derako.3856:

Yep, definitely going to be mapping out Tyria this week. Zero Point in fighting 400 BP soldiers when we got about 20 people running around with their heads cut off.

Oh and a shoutout to Kalkz who left our server for BP to “level up his alts” as the rumor goes. Hope it goes well for you…

Say what ?, i was a player before becoming a Commander, i have all the rights to join BP

I hope that this week is full of fair fights, and limited exploits, honestly I don’t think you can stop them all. If BP does well, they will move up a tier after this week. Good for them, but I really think a lot of them are in serious denial if they think that they are out manned or fighting 2 vs 1 a lot. However, I do look forward to the thread if/when they do move up, tiers above this actually do have numbers. Ask any GoM player that got to run through those ranks, it’s a super fun time from what I hear.

Dovgan.8605:

Ask any GoM player that got to run through those ranks, it’s a super fun time from what I hear.

Yeah, that wasn’t so fun. Never a good matchup for us above tier 7.

@Eviator Well, we like having you guys here. You are always welcome to hang out in 7 with us, made the matches a lot more interesting.

I’ve enjoyed the fairly even matchup. It’s best when anyone can win. When the activity levels fluctuate, it gets out of whack. GoM has been uncharactaristically low pop the last couple weeks, and I’m not sure why.

Kalkz.5297:

Derako.3856:

Yep, definitely going to be mapping out Tyria this week. Zero Point in fighting 400 BP soldiers when we got about 20 people running around with their heads cut off.

Oh and a shoutout to Kalkz who left our server for BP to “level up his alts” as the rumor goes. Hope it goes well for you…

Say what ?, i was a player before becoming a Commander, i have all the rights to join BP

Of course you do. Its your right to leave. Its just ironic considering how you preached against server transfers. It just sounds like you gave up or left people stopped listening to you.

BP gave us 2 Omega Golems at AR Garrison as gifts. Too bad we broke the gifts as soon as they entered; must’ve cost alot.

wwfam.2495:

jkctmc.8754:

They need to just move them up a tier, they’re the ONLY server the devs said doesn’t have a population issue, in the lower tiers.

can you quote the source for this?

I’m interested too. Let’s see the source for that. IF there even is one. I have a feeling it’s like so much else that gets posted from some people though. Just assumption, or flat out lies.

As for BP having the outmanned buff, I will gladly start uploading more screens of it. Though the last few times I’ve done it people just ignore it.

The fact is every side is outnumbered at some point.

If you guys really want to know what makes a difference with BP, I can tell you what I think it is.

1. Some of the commanders started recruiting people that were standing around doing dungeons. Then they encouraged people that were active in WvW to recruit their guild mates/friends that played to do the same. Suddenly BP has a huge surge in WvW players.

2. People on BP are willing to spend money to upgrade things. We’ve taken a huge number of keeps/camps that had 0 upgrades. I regularly drop 2-3gold a day upgrading, and that’s nothing compared to what our commanders drop for upgrades. As a server we try to always get at least the double supply on every camp we take. It seems like the other side doesn’t do the same, and that will cost you. Convince your people it’s worth it to spend a gold or two a day in WvW on upgrades and you will be surprised what a difference it can make.

3. I don’t know how it is on other servers, but our commanders aren’t just leading zergs around. They actively encourage people to ask questions, and they don’t get angry. Even when they’ve explained the same thing multiple times. They go out of their way to explain WHY things are done, and not just say “do this”. That helps people to learn what to do, and when. So even when we don’t have a commander we are now able to form groups to do stuff. That’s made a big difference over all. Example: Someone calls out AR here/enemy here. People (not just commanders anymore) ask where, and explain that it helps respond if they can tell where, and a rough estimate how many. If they can tell what classes it helps too. Information is so important in WvW, and once people learned how to communicate that information better things changed.

4. People seem to want to learn also. A few weeks ago it wasn’t like that. People were very hostile to each other, and called each other names etc. I’m sure everyone has seen that. Now there is some friendly chat, and plenty of information on where the enemies are/what they are doing etc. It’s so much easier to know what’s going on and when.

I don’t know how it is on other servers though. Maybe it’s the same way. But I’ve been doing WvW for awhile now, and in my personal opinion those things seem to be what’s made a huge difference.

@GSS

AR lacks in number 2 and 3. While they do sometimes upgrade and sometimes defend….most of the time it’s zergy mczerg present on the maps. I still love the server, and love to hate it some nights too. There isn’t any one problem that can be addressed because AR has 50 commanders on the server (and that’s probably not far off) plus an alliance that tries to dictate who can do what or who “is” going to be an icon holder.

I have tried to introduce my guild to Wv3 the right way, all we do is defend and upgrade. If a supply camp gets flipped one of my members will almost immediately double supply and escort yaks until we can add guards. If anyone came across ogrewatch last round when it was upgraded, you probably noticed there was quite a bit of defensive siege there. I make sure we don’t call locations, but link them in the chat, it makes it much easier for new Wv3 players to know exactly where we are calling out an attack to. My guild isn’t big, but they fight like lions when we are defending our tower of choice. We don’t lead the server or follow the zergs, we just try to set a good example as to how a defense should be done.

well from all the JP i did and killing ppl with the Treb i got the Gift of Battle ty guys.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

If you guys really want to know what makes a difference with BP, I can tell you what I think it is.

1. Some of the commanders started recruiting people that were standing around doing dungeons. Then they encouraged people that were active in WvW to recruit their guild mates/friends that played to do the same.Suddenly BP has a huge surge in WvW players.

Time after time the huge numbers advantage gets glossed over. You should have stopped at the point where you admitted that BP had a surge in Wv3 participation. Everything else after that is moot.

Anyone who has been playing Wv3 since day 1 will tell you that numbers win plain and simple.

Time and time again we keep stating that BP had a significant increase in Wv3 participation and because of this they starting to consistently win more than they lost.

I’m all for chest thumping about how your server is winning and dominating, but to say its anything else but a numbers game is insulting to everyone.

-K

Kodiack.2783:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

If you guys really want to know what makes a difference with BP, I can tell you what I think it is.

1. Some of the commanders started recruiting people that were standing around doing dungeons. Then they encouraged people that were active in WvW to recruit their guild mates/friends that played to do the same.Suddenly BP has a huge surge in WvW players.

Time after time the huge numbers advantage gets glossed over. You should have stopped at the point where you admitted that BP had a surge in Wv3 participation. Everything else after that is moot.

Anyone who has been playing Wv3 since day 1 will tell you that numbers win plain and simple.

Time and time again we keep stating that BP had a significant increase in Wv3 participation and because of this they starting to consistently win more than they lost.

I’m all for chest thumping about how your server is winning and dominating, but to say its anything else but a numbers game is insulting to everyone.

-K

It’s a combination of a few things, population being part of that combination. Morale has been WAY HIGH lately since were on a winning streak, which boosts player participation. We may not even have more players than before, we just have more participating at any given time because they can expect to win. This comes from good commanders utilizing people properly, as well as an overall understanding of the WvW game better. Those who are playing are seasoned, and those who just started playing are learning faster than before because of the seasoned players.

So to just say it’s a population boost is kind of silly. It took us quite a bit of effort to change the ‘we never win’ attitude on our server. It took a 15 guild alliance effort to change that attitude.

Kodiack.2783:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

If you guys really want to know what makes a difference with BP, I can tell you what I think it is.

1. Some of the commanders started recruiting people that were standing around doing dungeons. Then they encouraged people that were active in WvW to recruit their guild mates/friends that played to do the same.Suddenly BP has a huge surge in WvW players.

Time after time the huge numbers advantage gets glossed over. You should have stopped at the point where you admitted that BP had a surge in Wv3 participation. Everything else after that is moot.

Anyone who has been playing Wv3 since day 1 will tell you that numbers win plain and simple.

Time and time again we keep stating that BP had a significant increase in Wv3 participation and because of this they starting to consistently win more than they lost.

I’m all for chest thumping about how your server is winning and dominating, but to say its anything else but a numbers game is insulting to everyone.

-K

I see a common idea from people that play on AR.

It’s not just numbers, because we win during times that we have the buff also. I will admit that numbers play a part in it. They aren’t everything though. To say it’s all numbers means you are dismissing things that you shouldn’t.

Also people keep pointing out “hey BP got a huge population boost, and now they can win”. Should we then say the only reason we lost before is because we had a smaller population?

When we post screen shots of us winning, despite having the buff, it’s ignored. No one wants to admit that even happens. There is only one reason I can possibly think of for that.

There are also times when we get beaten even though we have superior numbers. People from AR are quick to brag about that, but then in the same post say that we only win because of numbers. I know you didn’t, just pointing out something that seems common.

It’s probably just that people have gotten frustrated with this matchup. The best you can do is try to have fun I suppose.

What you have to do is give an honest evaluation.

Given all the positive things that you have stated is going on with BP. If you did not have a numbers advantage over the two other servers, would you still be winning?

If everything else stayed the same and you had a less players than AR and GoM, would you win?

An honest answer is no, you would no.

You can’t act like the rules change in this tier, Numbers win in every other bracket,Except this one? Check every tier above and below us, the winning server can field more players than the other two.

The game mechanics don’t change for BP. Over the course of a 24 hour 7 day match, you can field more players. That wins the match.

-K

but you’ve clearly proven that, even with outmanned buff, you can at least repel a somewhat large zerg, so it’s not all numbers.

Kodiack.2783:

What you have to do is give an honest evaluation.

Given all the positive things that you have stated is going on with BP. If you did not have a numbers advantage over the two other servers, would you still be winning?

If everything else stayed the same and you had a less players than AR and GoM, would you win?

An honest answer is no, you would no.

You can’t act like the rules change in this tier, Numbers win in every other bracket,Except this one? Check every tier above and below us, the winning server can field more players than the other two.

The game mechanics don’t change for BP. Over the course of a 24 hour 7 day match, you can field more players. That wins the match.

-K

This man speaks the truth.

This isn’t to say that strategy and skill don’t play a role in the outcome, of course they do. But it can only do so much when the numbers game is skewed.

My issue is — why bother caring about it? If you won because you have a larger population of interested and active W3 players — good for you. Or if you won because you have an army of Gen. Patton’s running around — good for you. You win either way, and it’s up to the other servers to either get better or keep losing.

There is a huge difference between repelling an attack and winning a fight. But I’m sure you knew that.

-K

It’s isn’t always about the numbers tho, because if that was the case we’d still be in the cold war and bla bla bla. Quantity versus Quality starts to come to mind here, and it is even possibly in a video game to have these two very opposing factors on a playing field such as WvW. For instance, I was part of a like 5-7 man group late last night that managed to destroy 20+ BP in the ARBL. The second group tagged a couple of us, but once that 40ish BP zerg was PB&J’d, it was pretty much over. It is possible sometimes with determination and/or a group that knows each other’s playing style to overcome large odds against them.

We know that there’s been a population surge and whether or not it was influx’s of guilds (which was the case a couple weeks ago now) or from more people becoming interested in WVW (which has also happened I’m sure), it’s noticeable in either case. However, this should be the focal point of what’s going on for the winning as it is quite possible to “win” without the numbers….there just needs to be a focus that’s brought to the game that isn’t currently really “present” at the time being…or might be, but not noticed.

ktith.6197:

It’s isn’t always about the numbers tho,

over the course of a 7 day match.. yes its all about numbers.

There are 4 maps, if you can field more numbers to hold more objectives to gain more points you win.

Every once in a while the zerg gets out played. but over the course of a 7 day match it will win.

I will stress this again, the game mechanics don’t change for us in this tier.
-K

Actually, in all reality, if people would defend what they grab and not get over extended you only need your entire home borderland and half of EB to field the overall points tally to “win” WVW, plus holding SM. It may not seem like it, but if you go tally up the points from each of those holdings, it’ll show you in black and white, that’s what you need to do….or to control the equivalent.

ktith.6197:

Actually, in all reality, if people would defend what they grab and not get over extended you only need your entire home borderland and half of EB to field the overall points tally to “win” WVW, plus holding SM. It may not seem like it, but if you go tally up the points from each of those holdings, it’ll show you in black and white, that’s what you need to do….or to control the equivalent.

Again, incorrect.

In real game play, not your napkin math.

Once you are behind in points, your math breaks down. The team in the lead can turtle down to EB + homeland, while the teams behind need to overextend.

-K