Guild Wars 2

FA needs to log in more IMO

Just got back from EB, where the outmanned buff was popping on and off periodically all morning. Outmanned in EB on a weekend? At least wait until Monday to give up.

I have seen ~40 TC, and multiple groups of 20 of YB roaming at the same time. That results in FA fighting 1.5/2v1 odds against opponents.

I am always glad to have good fights, even outnumbered, but direct results of tonight will be FA’s puggies giving up and we getting effectively eliminated out of a matchup.

We already know how TC vs YB going to go.

I hope when we have a blowout, all-green week people will do some self-reflecting, compare it to previous weeks of good fights and realize that winning can be as boring as losing.

Keep in mind that FA was actually holding the lead at the end of the previous 2 weekends, and a fairly sizable one at that on the lost shores weekend. Morale issues are probably creeping in facing the same matchup and (likely) outcome for the third week in a row, which is really a pity because FA/TC/YB is the close to the best match possible at this tier (you can make a case for FA/YB/CD, but that matchup won’t happen in the near future barring a mass transfer).

Edit: Dominating is worse than losing. When you are losing you can go out and find things to do. When the map is all yours there is only waiting. And RPing.

Score update – 3:10pm EST

That was a heck of a 3 way battle for FA’s keep in EB! Lot of fun guys.

Regrets of Sini.6083:

What would be delicious irony if TC went up to T2 for a week of curbstomping as a result of these shenanigans.

You guys (the ones crying, not all of FA) just don’t stop do you?

If TC went up up T2 to get curb stomped I would say “Kitten yeah!” TC doesn’t mind losing, and losing hard just as long as we get to fight in the process. We are fighting now, don’t get me wrong, but this fight is somewhat wanting.

TC is used to constant change. I think we came up from rank 14 to 7 over the past 3 months with many weeks of transfer super servers punctuating that steady rise with an almighty kitten whomping. I say bring on the pain.

This is why FA is failing. Your attitude is toxic to the rest of the people on your server that just want to killkillkill and have fun. Keep it up and your core players will leave for greener pastures.

Nut.4713:

Astry.9476:

[GODS] never transferred. The few that did move to TC are no longer in guild.

Are you suggesting GODS lost only a few people? Because I haven’t seen more than a handful this week, compared with endless 40 man zergs last week. PRO on the other hand looks like the new GODS.

Edit: Also have seen several PRO members alt-f4 tonight. I am disappoint.

Nut – that is correct. Only 10-15 of the spec ops group (I believe) left server and guild. It might appear smaller as of late, because we have been removing inactives and such, as well as some restructuring in guild.

ShadowX.4639:

Score update – 3:10pm EST

That was a heck of a 3 way battle for FA’s keep in EB! Lot of fun guys.

I don’t comment on these treads often but I must ask…….what the hell happened to Fort Aspenwood?! How did the expected 2nd place server get eliminated from the map?

Regrets of Sini.6083:

What would be delicious irony if TC went up to T2 for a week of curbstomping as a result of these shenanigans.

You say that as though the vast majority of us would go to T2, get destroyed and return with our spirits broken, weeping for joy to be away from the big meanies while the truly proper and righteous like yourself stand over us and laugh at our tears, jeering at the sullen husks of humans (or any of the other races) that we have become. While it’s all find and dandy to think that way, you’re free to get your kicks however you want (I don’t judge), it’s not what will happen.

If we go to T2 and get soundly beaten, we’ll drop back down but be better for it. We’ll have learned some lessons, gained some tactics and will just keep pushing forward. We’ve been sitting around T3 for a while and had some servers blow past us like a house of kleenex in a tornado (most notably SoR). While is sucked to be on the receiving end of such a ‘deliciously one-sided curbstomping’ we didn’t cry, break down and plummet in rankings. Heck, when we first got to T3 we went against Crystal Dessert, got our kittens handed to us and dropped down a tier. The next time we squared off we did not throw ourselves before them, begging for mercy, we fought and we won.

So while it’s cool to think that…no…

tl;dr I don’t think it works that way

Any server can be eliminated from the map if the other two servers turn their attention against it.

And that’s not some evil underhanded shenanigans – that’s the way these 3 server matchups are supposed to work. The two weaker servers are supposed to ally against the stronger servers.

People complaining 2v1’s aren’t fair are missing the point – they are supposed to happen.

And the most advantageous alliance is the 1st place server and the 3rd place server against the 2nd place server: the 1st place server secures it’s win and the 3rd place server takes second place. Not that TC’s win was really in doubt, after the previous rounds. Additionally the stronger server allying with any other server is guaranteed to have enough forces to secure it’s goals, whereas the two weaker servers allying might not have enough strength to overcome the strongest server. For reasons that should be obvious, alliances between the strongest server and the 2nd place server don’t really happen: their goals are mutually exclusive.

What’s happening is a rational and logical response to current game mechanics and incentives – it doesn’t require some devious conspiracy to explain.

What’s the biggest threat to TC taking first? FA.
What’s the biggest threat to YB taking second? FA.

It’s obvious to both other actors that going after FA heavily is in their own best interests. An ‘alliance’ of sorts could occur with no explicit planning or collusion or special desire to hurt FA or help the 3rd server. If each actor simply follows what is in his own best interests, you can perfectly easily arrive at current situation.

Iohanna.4863:

ShadowX.4639:

Score update – 3:10pm EST

That was a heck of a 3 way battle for FA’s keep in EB! Lot of fun guys.

I don’t comment on these treads often but I must ask…….what the hell happened to Fort Aspenwood?! How did the expected 2nd place server get eliminated from the map?

TC focused on FA Saturday and today and YB smartly stayed out of their way picking up the FA points that TC wasn’t attacking. FA doesn’t have the population to fight on that many fronts at once. Smart move on both their parts strategically and no this doesn’t mean there is a 2v1 alliance. Just taking advantage of the opportunity that is there.

TC must have been wanting for targets because once they had FABL green, some of them jumped to YBBL and we started to see some green there as well. There wasn’t any action on YBBL really until FABL went green.

Kasei.8726:

You want a challenge.
You don’t think FA is a challenge.
You think YB is a challenge.
So you continue to focus your attacks on FA.
Nice logic right there.

There’s a difference between seeking a challenge and committing suicide.

Since FA is so offensive (zing!) if we actually tried to properly siege YB, FA’d come in from behind and just mop us up (and then we’d have to come on here and accuse you all of a 2-1 alliance!).

By buzzing around us like angry hornets all the time, you basically ensure we can’t concentrate long enough to actually focus on YB. You keep distracting us.

ShadowX.4639:

Score update – 3:10pm EST

That was a heck of a 3 way battle for FA’s keep in EB! Lot of fun guys.

My favorite part of this post is that it’s about a 3-way battle at FA’s keep in EB, when FA has 2 supply camps on the map total.

I don’t think there’s a 2v1, and this thread becomes an ever-growing disappointment as time passes. However, it seems like Yak’s would be a better target for TC at the moment, both for practice if they think Yak’s is better at defending (which, things should be reinforced heavily by now), and because Yak’s is in 2nd.

But I’ll let TC decide what they want to do. Last I was on, FA was in the lead, and we had the bottom half of TCBL, with both keeps. Lots of fun was had, and fun should continue to be had, even if we log in with only a few points on the map. ULTD is quite good at manufacturing a good time.

Mirage.2597:

Welcome to Tier 4 FA , they going eat you up, Tier 4 has some of the best tactics around , you just might learn something if anyone sticks around on your down ward slide

Why does everyone wanna see fa fall so much? The last two weeks fa didn’t finish last, that was one of the other servers, but if somehow that means its falling then go right ahead and try to bash

All 3 garrisons are green now. As an idea, and I havent thought this through completely…But what if the winning points holder of every matchup was locked to transfers for the entire next week? This might ward off band wagoning. Any semblance of equality in t3 is pretty much gone now.

At this point TC really needs to move up a tier, not because we are neccessarily going to do well there, but because its just not fair to YB and FA anymore.

Penguin.5197:

Mirage.2597:

Welcome to Tier 4 FA , they going eat you up, Tier 4 has some of the best tactics around , you just might learn something if anyone sticks around on your down ward slide

Why does everyone wanna see fa fall so much? The last two weeks fa didn’t finish last, that was one of the other servers, but if somehow that means its falling then go right ahead and try to bash

It seems like every time YB settles into 2nd place, someone pops on and talks about how FA could learn something from T4. It happened early/mid-match last week, then we pulled 2nd anyway.

Just ignore them, it’s simply inflammatory non-contribution.

It really is kind of amusing how many people assuming that TC “never” attacks YBBL. There’s at least two or three big pushes into YBBL every day, but it always ends with us getting pushed off the map either because people end up logging off, or transferring to another map to help defense. Honestly, sometimes, FA helps YB push us off the map either by going west instead of to Hills Keep, or making a big push in TCBL, forcing us to move people back there. It’s just how 3 way fights work.

As of right now CD is to move up 2 slots and FA down 2 slots , the 25 points you are getting a tick right now wont help

This match up came down to map coverage. FA does not cover maps as well as we could. We also have issues with people not coming out for WvWvW some weeks. It is why we are so inconstant as a server. TC has coverage on all maps and that is why they win this match up. YB keeps YBBL defended well and that is why they are always in a decent spot. FA does defend well when we have the numbers, but again we don’t always have them.

This is all an opinion.

Score update, we turned up the heat at YakBL

Also, a screenshot of the current map.

I think we won :O.

Shadow Gathering.5649:

I would just like to applaud the Yaks for doing more with less. You consistently have less manpower than FA and TC, and yet (1) your score remains competitive and (2) you continue to bring the fight. It speaks very highly of your resourcefulness, tenacity, and strategy.

In fact, its quite likely that the scoreboard obscures the fact that the Yaks have actually outplayed FA and TC.

I commend you mangy Yaks!

Thank you.

DivineBeing.2086:

Also, a screenshot of the current map.

I think we won :O.

This screenshot should really put an end to the TC-YB alliance nonsense. That is TC holding half of YB’s map, including their beloved garrison…

People should look at this screenshot and realize that both FA and YB simply looked for opportunities and then went after them.

Also…

We at TC fought an hour today at the keep near FA’s spawn in EB, defending it from a FA zerg at one inner gate and at the same time defending it from a YB zerg at the other inner gate.

Eventually, we lost the keep to YB, but it was one heck of a fight!

I just want to say that CF or CM guild (Crime something…) on Yaks is probably individually the most skilled rival guild I have faced as a TC-er, every time i see their tag I know I am going to have a tough fight on my hands. They don’t seem to have that many members but each member seems to bring the pain.

Recently I went up against a fellow mesmer of theirs who was camping the EB JP and he is one of the very few mesmers over the course of WvWvW (from launch) who has beaten me in a straight up duel.

/bow,
Theon

Mirage.2597:

Welcome to Tier 4 FA , they going eat you up, Tier 4 has some of the best tactics around , you just might learn something if anyone sticks around on your down ward slide

We’ve battled our way up from tier 5 to tier 3, we’ve been through tier 4 several times. Not that long ago we were one of those tier 4 servers with the best tactics around.

I think we’ve beaten both other servers we’ll be matched against if we drop, repeatedly.

Mostly by virtue of population, as is pretty much always the case in wuvwuv right now.

We could always lose of course – with transfers anything is possible.

Mirage.2597:

Been thinking this same thing myself I came from tier 4 , Tactics in tier 4 blow FA out of the water, I have not seen 1 portal bomb , do they even know to hide a Mesmer in a keep? Stacking never seen it , No cat behind doors to slow the placement of a ram down , siege work is horid, communication server wide , nope

I’ve seen all of these things. I’ve even been the guy on the catapult behind the door.

The reason you aren’t seeing many portal bombs and not much stacking is because tactics have evolved beyond what you are used to in tier 4 and trying those things in tier 3 and up is just as likely to get you murdered. (Especially with the change to how heals and buffs work in stacks)

For example, YB tried to portal bomb our siege at cliffside. We put elementalists with tornado on top of the portal and knocked them all off the cliff to their deaths as they popped through the portal.

Couple notes:

1. FA does not have the coverage that TC has, its just not there. Neither does Yaks.

2. FA people: This whole question of our “tactics” is only being brought up by one person. Please ignore. We’ve wiped both TC and Yaks zergs with only 10ppl multiple times in the past three weeks. I think we understand how portal bombs and AOE spikes work lol. I know some of you with me on FA know EXACTLY what I’m talking about.

3. FA defends, but when we go to bed at 1am EST, we lose it all. This has caused a lot of us to not upgrade as its a waste of money right now. This is a coverage issue, we need more West Coast NA players(along with every other timezone). NA East Coast prime times we are pretty good. Lets face it FA primetime EST on Friday is awesome.

I do like how FA are saying YB are too scared to attack TC, here’s the thing though, the last time I lead my forces along with another grp of forces into TC lands, was reset day, TC cut us off from the hills keep with their vastly greater numbers, then we proceeded to have a good old fashioned stoush st the lowlands supply camp with them, guess what happened next.

FA decided they were missing out on fighting people so decieded they should come and beat the snot out of us with their greater numbers as well, so rather than working with YB to give a better fight to TC on their homelands they with TC wiped us off the map, we moved to other maps, I kept looking back at the TC to see TC had then gone on to spank the snott outta FA.

If FA had of done a tincy bit of thinking that day, between us we could of held more of the map and made TC split their forces to defend as it happened TC were able to keep their force as one and no more than 20-40 mins later FA were wiped off the map as well.

This is why FA feel they are constantly under attack from both TC and YB, because they choose to be by their actions.

Choko.6821:

You two servers got paid doing this? Alliance FTW?

Page 2, for reference, but this picture, I have to laugh. That is someone from my guild, I dragged him into WvW that day because several annoying Alt-F4-ers from FA were running all over TCBL and we were hunting them down. If you were said Alt-F4-er then its pretty obvious why even a Yak would want you dead.

Anyway he doesn’t go into WvW enough to even know about any alliances if they were to exist anyway.

Until things become a bit more balanced, I am vowing a personal ceasefire with Yaks.

I don’t want a TC blowout, and I don’t want the next 5 days of WvW to suck. In the interest of fun and competitive WvW , I suggest Yaks and FA leave each other’s BLs alone, and target TC instead. To their credit, TC players have themselves requested that FA and Yaks each focus on TC this week to make things more interesting and to keep TC from going soft.

When things become a bit more balanced i’ll go back to indiscriminate killing.

Greyskies.2815:

So did FA throw in the towel already?

No, but I find it funny how much people complain about FA posters on this forum, yet all I read is crap like this.

Stay classy.

Spending this week enjoying the good skirmishes. Personally, FA BL is getting pretty stale after being primarily chasing off enemies there for the past two weeks with the same guys in our crew. Maybe other guilds/players on FA need to start thinking about playing defensively and keeping teams in blue lands or FA will quickly learn how weak their defense really is without these dedicated people holding the lines everyday. By this I don’t mean just coming back when a keep and a few towers are lost, either – I mean keeping members in the borderlands as guards after it turns all blue and most of the PUGs bail from the map. Our guilds, whether we like it or not, are expected to lead by example and defense is an important aspect.

We [PRO] haven’t been able to play as a 20 man guild unit together for over a fortnight without letting our home borderlands get completely overrun. Partially this is a population issue as we are an off-peak/night shift guild, one of the very few. If PRO’s peak TS members are 21 and we always leave some in FABL and EB, I’m flattered when we get called a huge zerg! I don’t speak for my guild, however you can see this matchup I’m not alone when I say I’m not worrying about being competitive on the scoreboard/rankings and just looking for fights this week. I’m not gonna get burnt out and get jaded about WvW by doing the same tasks for weeks on end and trying to keep morale high so I can fight for 2nd above Yak’s Bend, I’d rather just practice new things, hone strategy and seek out new people to fight other than pretty much the same dudes every day from [PiNK] and [TOG].

So to the [EW] and [SS] guys in Yak’s Bend who have been hitting us every day for the past two weeks in our borderlands bunkering down in supply camps, thanks for the good fights, you guys are.. persistent. I haven’t seen much from [BS] Badger Spirits at all the past weeks – did that guild break up? [TOG] good fights as always, it’s always fun to poke the bees nest and see how many people you guys can rally up to throw at us.
Same goes to those from [PiNK] who would start trebbing Greenlake and trying to take Hills and Dawns Eyrie like clockwork every single day, the exact same way. You (and TC as a whole) certainly have grown in membership since we last met, as have we. Cheers!

Shadow Gathering.5649:

Until things become a bit more balanced, I am vowing a personal ceasefire with Yaks.

I don’t want a TC blowout, and I don’t want the next 5 days of WvW to suck. In the interest of fun and competitive WvW , I suggest Yaks and FA leave each other’s BLs alone, and target TC instead. To their credit, TC players have themselves requested that FA and Yaks each focus on TC this week to make things more interesting and to keep TC from going soft.

When things become a bit more balanced i’ll go back to indiscriminate killing.

i logged on to the Eternal this morning and told people to not attack Yaks
We took our whole third of the map and started to try and take TC camps while we were upgrading
TC comes though and takes QL, while we are fighting them, Yaks come over take durios and Bravo
we then lose the keep to trebs knocking down the wall

this whole time, we had the outmanned buff
we took our third of the map with the outmanned buff and the only reason we lost it was cause instead of attacking SMC while we were dealing with the zerg of TC, Yaks comes around and takes our towers and then keep

next time im taking Orgewatch and being done with it

Karykarywook.2481:

Greyskies.2815:

So did FA throw in the towel already?

No, but I find it funny how much people complain about FA posters on this forum, yet all I read is crap like this.

Stay classy.

Wasn’t really talking crap….was curious since the score today had FA with potential points of +20. You only had 2 supply camps and 1 tower. This was unusual since it always seems to be a close match at least on the weekend.

all the signs at the time pointed to you guys giving up. Im glad to see more of an improvement this evening.

ULTD and GODS siege on Tarnished Coast Borderland Bay Keep was amazingly fun. Thanks everyone who participated for a great time, TC included! :-)

Greyskies.2815:

Karykarywook.2481:

Greyskies.2815:

So did FA throw in the towel already?

No, but I find it funny how much people complain about FA posters on this forum, yet all I read is crap like this.

Stay classy.

Wasn’t really talking crap….was curious since the score today had FA with potential points of +20. You only had 2 supply camps and 1 tower. This was unusual since it always seems to be a close match at least on the weekend.

all the signs at the time pointed to you guys giving up. Im glad to see more of an improvement this evening.

Still, we’re talking one day out of 7 at the beginning of a battle. Looks to me like we may have gotten discouraged or people weren’t playing during the day today. However, we don’t just give up.

What eventually happened at Bay on TCBL? I had to rush for work as I was getting late and just logged off after making sure our Hills keep was fully repaired and sieged.

Earlier before that, I was there watching ULTD’s movements from our Citadel spawn area and reporting them on /team chat. Most of us were tied up at BB after the initial assault by [GODS] and running supplies to repair. I noticed orange swords at Hills south gate, and remembered someone mention “where did all [GODS] go?” and I knew that’s where they are. Headed there by running and saw 20+ [GODS] banging on the gate (which was almost at 30%) by the time I reached. Good strategy there.
While I saw [ULTD] moving randomly to east and west from TP, I was expecting them at Bay to split our forces, but instead they showed up at Hills inner (which I presume is a strategy to completely divert all our forces over there, while some of them make a move on Bay keep). We eventually got our forces move to Bay, while some of us stayed back at Hills to repair the damage. Now I’m curious as to how did the Bay situation end?

phaneo.4597:

What eventually happened at Bay on TCBL? I had to rush for work as I was getting late and just logged off after making sure our Hills keep was fully repaired and sieged.

Earlier before that, I was there watching ULTD’s movements from our Citadel spawn area and reporting them on /team chat. Most of us were tied up at BB after the initial assault by [GODS] and running supplies to repair. I noticed orange swords at Hills south gate, and remembered someone mention “where did all [GODS] go?” and I knew that’s where they are. Headed there by running and saw 20+ [GODS] banging on the gate (which was almost at 30%) by the time I reached. Good strategy there.
While I saw [ULTD] moving randomly to east and west from TP, I was expecting them at Bay to split our forces, but instead they showed up at Hills inner (which I presume is a strategy to completely divert all our forces over there, while some of them make a move on Bay keep). We eventually got our forces move to Bay, while some of us stayed back at Hills to repair the damage. Now I’m curious as to how did the Bay situation end?

ULTD and GODS coordinated forces took Bay after a hard fought battle extending over about an hour 1/2 to 2 hours. Was amazingly fun.

Serelisk.6573:

phaneo.4597:

What eventually happened at Bay on TCBL? I had to rush for work as I was getting late and just logged off after making sure our Hills keep was fully repaired and sieged.

Earlier before that, I was there watching ULTD’s movements from our Citadel spawn area and reporting them on /team chat. Most of us were tied up at BB after the initial assault by [GODS] and running supplies to repair. I noticed orange swords at Hills south gate, and remembered someone mention “where did all [GODS] go?” and I knew that’s where they are. Headed there by running and saw 20+ [GODS] banging on the gate (which was almost at 30%) by the time I reached. Good strategy there.
While I saw [ULTD] moving randomly to east and west from TP, I was expecting them at Bay to split our forces, but instead they showed up at Hills inner (which I presume is a strategy to completely divert all our forces over there, while some of them make a move on Bay keep). We eventually got our forces move to Bay, while some of us stayed back at Hills to repair the damage. Now I’m curious as to how did the Bay situation end?

ULTD and GODS coordinated forces took Bay after a hard fought battle extending over about an hour 1/2 to 2 hours. Was amazingly fun.

Alright, thanks for the update! Win or lose, I just hope we have more of these moments throughout the match up.

It’s a nice feeling to defend a point for so long, even after we lose it eventually; and the same can be said about the other side when they take a point after an offensive that lasts for so long. Am proud of fellow Toasties for their defense, and happy for FA for bringing some action to the otherwise usually boring BL that stays green most of the times :P. Keep your head high everyone, have fun, ignore whiners and conspiracies, and you’ll enjoy the fight! Keep the good discussions coming.

I’ll be honest, the most fun I have in WvW sometimes is defending a falling tower/keep with a bunch of other people. There’s a lot of anxiety, a lot of crap flying everywhere, a lot of people shouting orders. It’s chaotic and fun, and it really feels like everything you do to defend the tower matters.

Kasei.8726:

Kerithlan.1659:

Arkard.3970:

Night score update below:

Just to comment about FA’s defenses vs YB’s defenses again, this is not the first time we’ve had basically this same exact picture these past few weeks. We (Tarnished Coast) have trouble taking anything from Yak’s borderlands because their defenses are strong/off-putting. You guys are easy mode in comparison.

I’m not trying to talk smack here. I’m trying to get you guys to play better defense so that we’re challenged. You guys are 8th place, Fort Aspenwood. We might not have a ton of servers but that’s still the top ten. Have a little more pride in your defenses.

You want a challenge.
You don’t think FA is a challenge.
You think YB is a challenge.
So you continue to focus your attacks on FA.
Nice logic right there.

FA is quite frankly spread too thin at this point. It’s difficult to maintain defenses when man power, supply, and siege is needed everywhere. I’m not complaining, since I’d much rather be in our shoes than yours. I love having a challenge, it’s fun. Contrary to what you want believe, your words and the actions by your server tell me you do not.

I don’t think that you understand how it works. As long as we’re able to constantly flip FA in the Eternal Battlegrounds and FABL, YB isn’t a serious threat to us (anywhere). Having the easy meal (FA) means that we can focus more on defense.

There is a door that must be opened. It is locked. You have the key. Do you use the key, or do you kick it down? Obviously you will use the key because it is the logical course of action. The door that we’re opening is points, and FA is our key.

We’re asking you to take our keys away.

Greyskies.2815:

Karykarywook.2481:

Greyskies.2815:

So did FA throw in the towel already?

No, but I find it funny how much people complain about FA posters on this forum, yet all I read is crap like this.

Stay classy.

Wasn’t really talking crap….was curious since the score today had FA with potential points of +20. You only had 2 supply camps and 1 tower. This was unusual since it always seems to be a close match at least on the weekend.

all the signs at the time pointed to you guys giving up. Im glad to see more of an improvement this evening.

Unfortunately it seems there is very little action on FA’s part outside of prime time. Occasionally there will be a few of us on at 1-2 am, but as I said.. outside of prime time we are spread pretty thin.

I was shocked however to log on and only see a potential 20 points only as well.

Serelisk.6573:

ULTD and GODS coordinated forces took Bay after a hard fought battle extending over about an hour 1/2 to 2 hours. Was amazingly fun.

That battle @ the Bay was epic! The most intense showdown I’ve experienced all week.

I tip my hat off to you guys we didn’t just ‘give you the Bay’ we fought hard until the very end. Loved every minute of that fight.

More of that please!

Azelroth of TC

Kerithlan.1659:

Kasei.8726:

Kerithlan.1659:

Arkard.3970:

Night score update below:

Just to comment about FA’s defenses vs YB’s defenses again, this is not the first time we’ve had basically this same exact picture these past few weeks. We (Tarnished Coast) have trouble taking anything from Yak’s borderlands because their defenses are strong/off-putting. You guys are easy mode in comparison.

I’m not trying to talk smack here. I’m trying to get you guys to play better defense so that we’re challenged. You guys are 8th place, Fort Aspenwood. We might not have a ton of servers but that’s still the top ten. Have a little more pride in your defenses.

You want a challenge.
You don’t think FA is a challenge.
You think YB is a challenge.
So you continue to focus your attacks on FA.
Nice logic right there.

FA is quite frankly spread too thin at this point. It’s difficult to maintain defenses when man power, supply, and siege is needed everywhere. I’m not complaining, since I’d much rather be in our shoes than yours. I love having a challenge, it’s fun. Contrary to what you want believe, your words and the actions by your server tell me you do not.

I don’t think that you understand how it works. As long as we’re able to constantly flip FA in the Eternal Battlegrounds and FABL, YB isn’t a serious threat to us (anywhere). Having the easy meal (FA) means that we can focus more on defense.

There is a door that must be opened. It is locked. You have the key. Do you use the key, or do you kick it down? Obviously you will use the key because it is the logical course of action. The door that we’re opening is points, and FA is our key.

We’re asking you to take our keys away.

You can keep the keys. We play to have fun and it’s way more fun to kick down doors than it is to use the keys.

Chris.5024:

ykyk.2740:

As for this thread, I say we’re doing fine. The CD/Mag/EB one on the other hand…

I take back everything negative I’ve said about our thread. After reading the CD/Mag/EB thread I’m happy that we’re lucky enough to at least get some WvW discussion in.

Yes, if you read other threads, the TC/YB/FA one has been remarkably civil. I think that’s because we’re all such nice guys

Other matchups go through several threads a week, as the previous ones descend into a hellhole of insanity and get locked by mods.

JP campers would always be there, no matter which server it is. While I won’t comment on how sad it is for other servers to have more players out there or how they’re not contributing on the battlefield (since I only have done JP out there for 2-3 times), I do get frustrated when people complain about JP campers on team chat when one of our keeps is under attack. You want badges, get on siege and defend the structures or ninja cap a camp and you’ll end up with more badges while having fun and helping your team. Then people complain about deaths and having to pay for repairs if they die in battles. Same applies to JP when you know it’ll be camped by enemies. Better option is to stick with the zerg where you have better chances for survival and 100% fun than enter JP, then complaining about it on /team or /map chat while major info is being exchanged on these channels. If anything, contact someone from your guild on /guild chat to help you in JP.

Personally I save the jumping puzzle for those times when we get knocked down a tier and then rolfstomp on the strength of our numbers and NA primetime. Then you’ll find me along with a bunch of other FA mesmer’s helping people get their badges and seige bp’s.

In an actual fight I’d much rather be out killing people and taking things.

Kasei.8726:

Kerithlan.1659:

Kasei.8726:

Kerithlan.1659:

Arkard.3970:

Night score update below:

Just to comment about FA’s defenses vs YB’s defenses again, this is not the first time we’ve had basically this same exact picture these past few weeks. We (Tarnished Coast) have trouble taking anything from Yak’s borderlands because their defenses are strong/off-putting. You guys are easy mode in comparison.

I’m not trying to talk smack here. I’m trying to get you guys to play better defense so that we’re challenged. You guys are 8th place, Fort Aspenwood. We might not have a ton of servers but that’s still the top ten. Have a little more pride in your defenses.

You want a challenge.
You don’t think FA is a challenge.
You think YB is a challenge.
So you continue to focus your attacks on FA.
Nice logic right there.

FA is quite frankly spread too thin at this point. It’s difficult to maintain defenses when man power, supply, and siege is needed everywhere. I’m not complaining, since I’d much rather be in our shoes than yours. I love having a challenge, it’s fun. Contrary to what you want believe, your words and the actions by your server tell me you do not.

I don’t think that you understand how it works. As long as we’re able to constantly flip FA in the Eternal Battlegrounds and FABL, YB isn’t a serious threat to us (anywhere). Having the easy meal (FA) means that we can focus more on defense.

There is a door that must be opened. It is locked. You have the key. Do you use the key, or do you kick it down? Obviously you will use the key because it is the logical course of action. The door that we’re opening is points, and FA is our key.

We’re asking you to take our keys away.

Actually you just proved my point. You just said it yourself, you really don’t want a challenge, you just want points. I honestly could care less about points or what server wins or loses at the end of the day as long as I get to have challenging, hard fought battles.

Soba.3041:

You can keep the keys. We play to have fun and it’s way more fun to kick down doors than it is to use the keys.

^ This.

But he didn’t actually say that, did he? You’re just picking at straws.

Vorpal.4683:

Chris.5024:

ykyk.2740:

As for this thread, I say we’re doing fine. The CD/Mag/EB one on the other hand…

I take back everything negative I’ve said about our thread. After reading the CD/Mag/EB thread I’m happy that we’re lucky enough to at least get some WvW discussion in.

Yes, if you read other threads, the TC/YB/FA one has been remarkably civil. I think that’s because we’re all such nice guys

Other matchups go through several threads a week, as the previous ones descend into a hellhole of insanity and get locked by mods.

True, I guess only the first week of our battle had a V2 thread opened due to v1 getting closed, although we did get periodic warnings from mods in the last 2 weeks. I feel overall maturity of our matchup threads has been great except for a few unnecessary random rants from random players from all 3 servers.

I take frustrations, if any, on the game to respective forums or report to Anet in-game. If it is some player or some strategy or some 2v1 thing or whatever, I’d rather take care of it in-game by farming invaders stepping in my home BL. There’s no point in trying to “spoil the game & the mood” of overall playerbase due to a few frustrations of a select few.

For those wondering why FA seemed to have given up, this might play a part of it…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/This-needs-to-stop-Siege-cap-sabotage/first#post908160

I saw a similar mess of useless siege in an out of the way place myself.

As always, hopefully people won’t try to tar everyone on the server with the brush of a few bad apples.

That said, arena.net really needs to get its act together and stop letting a couple bad apples ruin things for thousands of players.

Ok then, now we know.

Edit: lol ok my post was infracted, but im pretty sure question still pertains to our WvW situation…. You guys are telling us we’re winning by numbers, we’re telling you both to form an alliance so that this matchup wont get stale…..You guys dont want to from what I gather?