Guild Wars 2

Lanimal.6541:

4. TC Water Gate – Called out that FA had suddenly gone very quiet after they got initially repelled at Cragtop. I actually said “they are probably going to golem rush water gate, its too quiet”. No one watched it :/, a golem rush is very easy to nullify (wreck in a few minutes) @ water gate if we had eyes on it.

To be fair it wasn’t the water gate we attacked. We took 8 golems to the SE gate of your garrison. TC knew we were around cragtop and garrison, and the watergate is a kill box if defenders are in position with siege. Also, after leaving cragtop we made sure to take out all your siege at the SE gate before running off to build golems.

Zias.2493:

drtoph.4857:

You guys(TC) are upset b/c for the first time in a month you are having to deal with what YB, CD and FA has had to deal with the entire time. We have all had both opposing servers in our backyard for the last 3.5 weeks. Its easy to talk about superior defense when no one is attacking your shizz, not so easy now is it? Get used to it, I’m gunning for you TC. Before you say it, no its not because I want to move up a tier, its b/c of all the mess you have been talking on the forums the past few weeks. Look forward to seeing you and all that superior defense, I imagine I will be wiping that smug smile off the bottom of my boot.

Do you even read the posts before yours before you spew this babble? FA where all your conspiracy theories, hypocrisy, and alt f4 dreams can come true! Oh and last I checked you’re still in 3rd

So you deny the fact that for the most part during the last 3.5 weeks you BL stayed green with the exception of a supply camp here or there? I am not suggesting that any of that occurred due to any kind of alliance, I am just saying that you have not truly had to play defense for the last month. Anytime that one of the other servers waltzed into your BL they would pay for it by having both of their enemies in their home BL rolling in force (rightly acting opportunistically). However, for the first time in a few weeks you get to experience both servers hitting you on your BL, as our servers have less population this meant that that was the only BL where we(FA and CD) could be hitting during that time and we could feel relatively safe doing this. Hence, both our respective BL’s remained safe from the opportunistic attacks or potential 2 v 1’s.

But I digress, my point was that for all the big talk that has been bandied about on these forums about how superior your defense is, and how marvelously awe inspiring your tactics are, that superior defense and amazing tactics saw you pushed back to your spawn. As I said, it is not so easy when you have both other servers pushing in your home territory, this is how YB, FA and I imagine CD have all felt in the recent match ups.

So many people who fail to read prior posts in this thread. Its not even worth explaining the alliance that was made between CD and FA where it was conveyed publically in this very thread along with other witnesses, oh well.

Might as well stop talking about the alliance since it is now being compared to the whining of normal 2v1 when in reality its completely different. TC never had a party full of TC and YB commanders strategically planning their attacks together against FA, fyi….lol big difference.

But I am tired of explaining this difference and constantly referencing the post about it, so this will be the last post and hopefully everyone from TC will just keep it to themselves too. That way we can’t be categorized as a server who complains about 2v1 when its expected in a 1v1v1. Not an alliance, big difference.

TC is too good to sink to t4 and the only thing this alliance would do is guarantee us staying in t3 forever. Cd is clearly stronger than FA, so FA and yak are the only real variables here. An alliance seals FA’s fate as a tier 4 server because the only guarantee in this matchup is a third place for FA.

Me personally though, I don’t mind. The purpose of having 3 sides is to encourage temporary alliances for sure, I just don’t think they planned on both sides commanders attacking one homeland as a single force, but rather both servers pursuing their own self interests independently. Either way, the system will compensate and things will fall back into place…whether that’s cd soaking up fair weathers from all servers or us.

I’m going to have fun either way, and I take pride that we defended as well as we did and protected our garrison. Maybe next time we won’t be as lucky!

It also amazes me how blissfully unaware some people are with regarding TC BL being all green.Its like you guys think people in TC BL sit there majority of the time twiddling their thumbs. They have constant attacks there all the time! We just respawn fast enough to wipe the enemy zerg along with anything they take befoore it gets too out of hand.

TC has always been attacked just like the other two servers. Lol!

Sunspots.9861:

TC is too good to sink to t4 and the only thing this alliance would do is guarantee us staying in t3 forever. Cd is clearly stronger than FA, so FA and yak are the only real variables here. An alliance seals FA’s fate as a tier 4 server because the only guarantee in this matchup is a third place for FA.

I don’t think you know how the rating system works….as this won’t happen. Yaks is losing rating in their current matchup….making a return to t3 even farther away for them. Based on ratings TC should be running away with another win…a close scoring match even that still has TC winning…will drop TCs rating and increase FA and CDs ratings. This 3 party tango will be here for a while (holidays is wildcard for all tiers though)

Sunspots.9861:

Me personally though, I don’t mind. The purpose of having 3 sides is to encourage temporary alliances for sure, I just don’t think they planned on both sides commanders attacking one homeland as a single force, but rather both servers pursuing their own self interests independently. Either way, the system will compensate and things will fall back into place…whether that’s cd soaking up fair weathers from all servers or us.

I’m going to have fun either way, and I take pride that we defended as well as we did and protected our garrison. Maybe next time we won’t be as lucky!

Working together or not….servers tend to move north up their natural spawn sides if they are at all strategic and realize the opposing (3rd) server is on the same map…enemy of my enemy is my friend…..especially when neither FA or CD could advance against a 2v1…..FA moving across to intentionally engage CD on TC borderland would only help TC and hurt FA in the medium term as it would be that much easier for TC to retake any ground gained.

drtoph.4857:

Zias.2493:

drtoph.4857:

You guys(TC) are upset b/c for the first time in a month you are having to deal with what YB, CD and FA has had to deal with the entire time. We have all had both opposing servers in our backyard for the last 3.5 weeks. Its easy to talk about superior defense when no one is attacking your shizz, not so easy now is it? Get used to it, I’m gunning for you TC. Before you say it, no its not because I want to move up a tier, its b/c of all the mess you have been talking on the forums the past few weeks. Look forward to seeing you and all that superior defense, I imagine I will be wiping that smug smile off the bottom of my boot.

Do you even read the posts before yours before you spew this babble? FA where all your conspiracy theories, hypocrisy, and alt f4 dreams can come true! Oh and last I checked you’re still in 3rd

So you deny the fact that for the most part during the last 3.5 weeks you BL stayed green with the exception of a supply camp here or there? I am not suggesting that any of that occurred due to any kind of alliance, I am just saying that you have not truly had to play defense for the last month. Anytime that one of the other servers waltzed into your BL they would pay for it by having both of their enemies in their home BL rolling in force (rightly acting opportunistically). However, for the first time in a few weeks you get to experience both servers hitting you on your BL, as our servers have less population this meant that that was the only BL where we(FA and CD) could be hitting during that time and we could feel relatively safe doing this. Hence, both our respective BL’s remained safe from the opportunistic attacks or potential 2 v 1’s.

But I digress, my point was that for all the big talk that has been bandied about on these forums about how superior your defense is, and how marvelously awe inspiring your tactics are, that superior defense and amazing tactics saw you pushed back to your spawn. As I said, it is not so easy when you have both other servers pushing in your home territory, this is how YB, FA and I imagine CD have all felt in the recent match ups.

I don’t deny it at all our BL is usually green what’s your point? Is it that WvW happened in WvW and now it’s being turned other colors? That’s whats suppose to happen. “And this is how YB, FA, and CD have all felt in the recent match ups” So they felt good? Because no one on TC is hanging their head or not enjoying this you don’t get it we love this kitten!

Diehard.1432:

Bedinar.1754:

The truce does not seem to be holding in EB very well. We fended of CD as much as we did TC. It seemed to work out in TCBL for the most part. We each took our sides, and even had small zergs pass each other by, which I thought was cool. Unfortunately CD kept trebbing the garrison after we took it, so we had to take their tower and drive back their zerg. We were talking in gchat about how we hoped they would notice (10 mins later) that we had garrison.

They could have taken the tower back right afterwards probably. We killed the treb and left. (partly b/c the CD guild that was the big part of that zerg headed to our borderlands ).

From our POV , we thought its FA who decided to attack us at Sunny Hills . I think thats due to lack of communication hence the misunderstanding. We were pretty much about to leave WvW already after you guys took the garrison. We were only at your BL for about 20 mins before most of us decided to call it a night.

Always fun to get the opposing pov. Anyways, it was fun last night.

Also, thank you to the CD attackers who noticed me stuck in a wall last night in one of our towers. I used blink hoping to get up the stairs quicker… I didn’t know if you guys could see me and blink didn’t want to help me out of it. I was really worried that I’d give give a bad impression for PRO. So I’m really glad some of you found me with my /crying and /beckoning. (was in combat, couldn’t way point).

I find it funny that its mostly FA chest-thumping about pushing us to spawn when all they are good at is harassing supply camps and really poorly executed sieges.

Stop riding on CD’s coattails. Credit where credit is due, losing TCBL today was mostly because of CD’s strategies and flexibility. FA was just there for the ride.

Sunspots.9861:

What’s the point of an alliance where you still get last place lol

If you watch the score you’ll see that during the times when FA and CD work together that all three scores are much closer, with FA many times getting the most points per tick. It’s helping you guys have a better chance at 1st and 2nd.

I find it funny how TC’s victories and “superior defense” were only population imbalances and its alliance with YB. Now that those two items are removed it appears TC has some strategizing to do.

Raincrow.1840:

Sunspots.9861:

What’s the point of an alliance where you still get last place lol

If you watch the score you’ll see that during the times when FA and CD work together that all three scores are much closer, with FA many times getting the most points per tick. It’s helping you guys have a better chance at 1st and 2nd.

Has it occured to you that while defending our own lands as best we can, TC could simply choose not to attack CD and only destroy FA on their own homeland? I’m pretty sure if we couldn’t get first we’d just guarantee ourselves second until Fort Aspenwood got tired of being third and gave up on helping CD get first. An alliance is really on phase 1 of a changing war and we plan on playing smart, not emotionally.

Moreover, while FA can affect who gets first, it is TC who would get to decide who is last. Think about that.

I doubt most of the people on TC are raging about an alliance, especially given that some have been actively encouraging one. But all these potshots about how this 2v1 is “proving” that TC only wins by pure numbers is getting really stupid. No one will blame the two losing servers for ganging up on the winning one, but when the third place comes on the forums to chest thump about taking the BL of the winning team with a 2v1 during their downtime, it’s embarrassing.

Hello! I just wanted to make some small requests of my fellow players.

If you are from CD you probably think of me as the mad red pirate that toils endlessly alongside a dolyak in an endless quest to upgrade All The Things.

If you are from FA or TC you probably think of me as that squishy blue ranger toiling endlessly alongside a dolyak in a hopeless quest to upgrade All The Things you are just going to take anyway.

My fellow CD players, I would ask that if you should see me walking alone beside a slowly plodding dolyak, that you please toot your horn or otherwise put a speed burst on as you pass to assist my efforts. It is for the good of the server!

And ye nemesis of TC and FA, I ask that if you should see me toiling all alone with a dolyak, that you wave at me before you stake me to the ground.

Love,
Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves (pictured below)

This whole thread makes me laugh with everyone accusing everyone else of stuff, then getting all puffed up when someone accuses them..reminds of the Three Stooges (CD, FA and TC).

I personally think that if CD and FA have an alliance against TC, then it’s only a compliment! I mean, if we win by a lot, we go to T2 and they fight a new person. So, obviously, they’re ganging up on trying to make us lose 1st place so they can keep fight us! It just means CD and FA loves TC so much they want to keep fighting us forever!

Just remember, this is WvW. It’s supposed to be about fun and community

Yeah, the more I think of it the more I realize I have no clue how this affects things. I’m just going to keep logging in and see how it all plays out. Cya on the Field!

Fluffyhooves is the cutest thing I have ever seen.

Team Dolyak will save the world.

appledainty.8127:

Hello! I just wanted to make some small requests of my fellow players.

If you are from CD you probably think of me as the mad red pirate that toils endlessly alongside a dolyak in an endless quest to upgrade All The Things.

If you are from FA or TC you probably think of me as that squishy blue ranger toiling endlessly alongside a dolyak in a hopeless quest to upgrade All The Things you are just going to take anyway.

My fellow CD players, I would ask that if you should see me walking alone beside a slowly plodding dolyak, that you please toot your horn or otherwise put a speed burst on as you pass to assist my efforts. It is for the good of the server!

And ye nemesis of TC and FA, I ask that if you should see me toiling all alone with a dolyak, that you wave at me before you stake me to the ground.

Love,
Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves (pictured below)

Dat dolyak. Make it your guild emblem and claim SMC.

Raincrow.1840:

You shouldn’t need to know about an aliance to realize it’s a good idea to focus on TC.

All you have to do is look at the score to realize that 2nd and 3rd place working together against the 1st place server is the only way to give yourselves a shot at winning.

That’s better reasons than that. We capture more stuff fighting TC and get A LOT more lootbags.

DivineBeing.2086:

So many people who fail to read prior posts in this thread. Its not even worth explaining the alliance that was made between CD and FA where it was conveyed publically in this very thread along with other witnesses, oh well.

Might as well stop talking about the alliance since it is now being compared to the whining of normal 2v1 when in reality its completely different. TC never had a party full of TC and YB commanders strategically planning their attacks together against FA, fyi….lol big difference.

But I am tired of explaining this difference and constantly referencing the post about it, so this will be the last post and hopefully everyone from TC will just keep it to themselves too. That way we can’t be categorized as a server who complains about 2v1 when its expected in a 1v1v1. Not an alliance, big difference.

I saw it suggested but saw zero “yeah let’s talk to each other to make this happen.”

Can you point me at the post so I can puzzle out how I missed it?

Sunspots.9861:

TC is too good to sink to t4 and the only thing this alliance would do is guarantee us staying in t3 forever. Cd is clearly stronger than FA, so FA and yak are the only real variables here. An alliance seals FA’s fate as a tier 4 server because the only guarantee in this matchup is a third place for FA.

Me personally though, I don’t mind. The purpose of having 3 sides is to encourage temporary alliances for sure, I just don’t think they planned on both sides commanders attacking one homeland as a single force, but rather both servers pursuing their own self interests independently. Either way, the system will compensate and things will fall back into place…whether that’s cd soaking up fair weathers from all servers or us.

I’m going to have fun either way, and I take pride that we defended as well as we did and protected our garrison. Maybe next time we won’t be as lucky!

I think with a real alliance with mutiple commanders on both servers would move FA into second place. You couldn’t hold much at all if we had everything but the players that ignore commanders only aimed at TC round the clock.

Sunspots.9861:

Raincrow.1840:

Sunspots.9861:

What’s the point of an alliance where you still get last place lol

If you watch the score you’ll see that during the times when FA and CD work together that all three scores are much closer, with FA many times getting the most points per tick. It’s helping you guys have a better chance at 1st and 2nd.

Has it occured to you that while defending our own lands as best we can, TC could simply choose not to attack CD and only destroy FA on their own homeland? I’m pretty sure if we couldn’t get first we’d just guarantee ourselves second until Fort Aspenwood got tired of being third and gave up on helping CD get first. An alliance is really on phase 1 of a changing war and we plan on playing smart, not emotionally.

Moreover, while FA can affect who gets first, it is TC who would get to decide who is last. Think about that.

You heard it here first folks- the new TC CD alliance is totally official.

I was losing faith in this thread until Team Doylak and Fluffyhooves hit the scene. All the rehashed arguments and sweeping generalizations about world attitudes blew away in a breeze once I saw “Toot your horn for Team Doylak”.

Thank you, appledainty.

I’m looking forward to finding some good fights later tonight. My new favorite hobby is running around the unbeaten paths of EB and finding skirmishes when the guild isn’t coordinating somewhere. Lag was beyond awful on account of me re-downloading Zombieland to iTunes, but lots of fun was still had.

appledainty.8127:

Hello! I just wanted to make some small requests of my fellow players.

If you are from CD you probably think of me as the mad red pirate that toils endlessly alongside a dolyak in an endless quest to upgrade All The Things.

If you are from FA or TC you probably think of me as that squishy blue ranger toiling endlessly alongside a dolyak in a hopeless quest to upgrade All The Things you are just going to take anyway.

My fellow CD players, I would ask that if you should see me walking alone beside a slowly plodding dolyak, that you please toot your horn or otherwise put a speed burst on as you pass to assist my efforts. It is for the good of the server!

And ye nemesis of TC and FA, I ask that if you should see me toiling all alone with a dolyak, that you wave at me before you stake me to the ground.

Love,
Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves (pictured below)

lol I loved this.

as a member of team dolyak part time (summoned to beat down on anyone who attack the yak) i say it is a wonderful image.

cannedflame.3597:

It’s not even that they run around with multiple tags without communicating their plans that bothers me, it is their condescending attitude. Basically one commander from that guild (who I won’t name) basically told every pug player on the map that they were not worthy of respect…
Map chat person: “Respect is earned (paraphrased)”
Commander:. “I don’t need to prove myself to you people.”
Map Chat Person: “YOU People?”
Commander: “Pugs.”

Don’t take that as an exact quote, it was later in the evening yesterday and I didn’t screenshot it or anything.

Point being, if you have a commander icon, communicate in map chat so that these stupid quarrels can be avoided. Even if all you say is something like “running a guild op, don’t come to my icon” is loads better than running around leaving everybody else in the dark. Furthermore, don’t down on the Pugs, as that is just poor attitude no matter the situation. It reeks of elitism and arrogance.

I was in a kittenty mood that night and i am sorry for my arrogance.

Like i’ve said before there has been 1 or 2 commanders teaming up with FA in w/e bl , that prolly true but as i said also , they DON’T represent CD as in you don’t say CD has an alliance with FA , for me and us and all who were at EB when couple of guys said that " don’t attack FA " we said hell no , we had SM at the time and trebbed both sides and attacked both sides , don’t include all the CD players into that , u want truce u ll get it at the JP , but other than that u ll die like the rest

Sunspots.9861:

Raincrow.1840:

Sunspots.9861:

What’s the point of an alliance where you still get last place lol

If you watch the score you’ll see that during the times when FA and CD work together that all three scores are much closer, with FA many times getting the most points per tick. It’s helping you guys have a better chance at 1st and 2nd.

Has it occured to you that while defending our own lands as best we can, TC could simply choose not to attack CD and only destroy FA on their own homeland? I’m pretty sure if we couldn’t get first we’d just guarantee ourselves second until Fort Aspenwood got tired of being third and gave up on helping CD get first. An alliance is really on phase 1 of a changing war and we plan on playing smart, not emotionally.

Moreover, while FA can affect who gets first, it is TC who would get to decide who is last. Think about that.

It seems like who gets 1st, 2nd, 3rd is largely a symbolic victory. End-of-the-week scoring is mostly dependent upon (1) how many total points your server has earned and (2) how large or small the difference is between servers.

So if you are going to get 2nd or 3rd, ideally you want to do so while (1) still gathering as many points as possible and (2) keeping 1st place scoring to a minimum.

This is why a 2nd and 3rd place alliance is so mutually beneficial—-it achieves both of those objectives. It is also why TC is expected to get 1st place but lose weekly points while 2nd and 3rd will gain points. http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Personally i’m not terribly concerned about ranks and scores. But you have to admit, an alliance is good strategy.

Shadow Gathering.5649:

Sunspots.9861:

Raincrow.1840:

Sunspots.9861:

What’s the point of an alliance where you still get last place lol

If you watch the score you’ll see that during the times when FA and CD work together that all three scores are much closer, with FA many times getting the most points per tick. It’s helping you guys have a better chance at 1st and 2nd.

Has it occured to you that while defending our own lands as best we can, TC could simply choose not to attack CD and only destroy FA on their own homeland? I’m pretty sure if we couldn’t get first we’d just guarantee ourselves second until Fort Aspenwood got tired of being third and gave up on helping CD get first. An alliance is really on phase 1 of a changing war and we plan on playing smart, not emotionally.

Moreover, while FA can affect who gets first, it is TC who would get to decide who is last. Think about that.

It seems like who gets 1st, 2nd, 3rd is largely a symbolic victory. End-of-the-week scoring is mostly dependent upon (1) how many total points your server has earned and (2) how large or small the difference is between servers.

So if you are going to get 2nd or 3rd, ideally you want to do so while (1) still gathering as many points as possible and (2) keeping 1st place scoring to a minimum.

This is why a 2nd and 3rd place alliance is so mutually beneficial—-it achieves both of those objectives. It is also why TC is expected to get 1st place but lose weekly points while 2nd and 3rd will gain points. http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Personally i’m not terribly concerned about ranks and scores. But you have to admit, an alliance is good strategy.

I agree a loose “alliance” makes sense for a number of reasons….not least of which is a change of pace from TC autowin on repeat for the last month. Closer matches draw more excitement and participation from ALL servers….leading to more dynamic pvp. I could care less where we finish (1, 2 or 3)

I think it is pretty safe to say though that TC doesn’t really have anything to worry about as any loose “alliance” is unlikely to last….if nothing else these forums have shown that people are dumb (all servers), generally selfishly motivated (^exception is the Dolyak escort above..toot!), and don’t listen…..so it will inevitably break down if it hasn’t already.

appledainty.8127:

Hello! I just wanted to make some small requests of my fellow players.

If you are from CD you probably think of me as the mad red pirate that toils endlessly alongside a dolyak in an endless quest to upgrade All The Things.

If you are from FA or TC you probably think of me as that squishy blue ranger toiling endlessly alongside a dolyak in a hopeless quest to upgrade All The Things you are just going to take anyway.

My fellow CD players, I would ask that if you should see me walking alone beside a slowly plodding dolyak, that you please toot your horn or otherwise put a speed burst on as you pass to assist my efforts. It is for the good of the server!

And ye nemesis of TC and FA, I ask that if you should see me toiling all alone with a dolyak, that you wave at me before you stake me to the ground.

Love,
Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves (pictured below)

Can I sign up for your newsletter??? =D

I love this forum, its the only thing that keeps me entertained all the day long, while crunching boring numbers.

Haldunius.7864:

I find it funny how TC’s victories and “superior defense” were only population imbalances and its alliance with YB. Now that those two items are removed it appears TC has some strategizing to do.

But there was no alliance with YB lol. Sorry to say, but one of the reasons FA found themselves with their backs against the wall, facing both YB and TC, was because of forum posters. I’ll admit, there were people who would deliberately choose to focus on FA simply because they don’t like some people are saying. This all translates in game…

The reason most people see this as an alliance, I think, is because it’s more concrete and solid than anything we’ve seen before i.e. commanders from two servers actually partying up together and feeding eachother intel.

Been over it before but I’ll make this post anti-long-winded: if TC is attacking one of us it isn’t worth very much to the 3rd server to also attack that target- TC is just going to take those points away from you once they deal with their first target.

We’ve seen that at least some of the time (North America) CD can hold off the entire TC armada, and this makes their holdings everywhere else into very vulnerable and very juicy targets.

This applies to almost every metric of “things people in WvW want prefer to attack.”

We get more people that know how to coordinate themselves like this and/or FA figures out how to stalemate TC too and suddenly this match becomes really exciting, unpredictable, and fun- all without any communication between commanders on different servers. Don’t bother figuring out how to do that and the match will be exactly what you expected it to be back on Saturday.

I think all of you guys gotta chill out with these alliance shenanigans.
CD + FA are actually thinking pretty wise with focusing our borderlands in general. I don’t call it an alliance at all. If they come out to say it is themselves, then cool.
However, a lot of you guys base everything off forum posts. I’ve not come across anyone in TC who is upset/complaining about silly 2v1 stuff. If they are, then they need to get out and get some morale. Honestly, I was fighting a group of CD + FA who cheered and laughed together after they got me. I actually thought it was pretty neat the effort they put into it.
Soo I, a TC player, say bring it on.

Sunspots.9861:

Has it occured to you that while defending our own lands as best we can, TC could simply choose not to attack CD and only destroy FA on their own homeland? I’m pretty sure if we couldn’t get first we’d just guarantee ourselves second until Fort Aspenwood got tired of being third and gave up on helping CD get first. An alliance is really on phase 1 of a changing war and we plan on playing smart, not emotionally.

Moreover, while FA can affect who gets first, it is TC who would get to decide who is last. Think about that.

Sure, but TC was capable of deciding 2nd and 3rd before this alliance. In fact, while 2nd and 3rd were busy fighting each other TC was free to go wherever they wanted. By having two servers preasure TC in their own borders it forces them to dedicate more of their forces to defense. It gives both CD and FA a much better shot at defending their own borders, takes alot of the power away from TC and maintains a closer match all around.

A close score is much better for all three servers than a blow out, but especially better for 2nd and 3rd. Some may think it’s good for 3rd place to attack 2nd, but it’s not. All they’re doing in that situation is making sure they get double teamed.

appledainty.8127:

Hello! I just wanted to make some small requests of my fellow players.

If you are from CD you probably think of me as the mad red pirate that toils endlessly alongside a dolyak in an endless quest to upgrade All The Things.

If you are from FA or TC you probably think of me as that squishy blue ranger toiling endlessly alongside a dolyak in a hopeless quest to upgrade All The Things you are just going to take anyway.

My fellow CD players, I would ask that if you should see me walking alone beside a slowly plodding dolyak, that you please toot your horn or otherwise put a speed burst on as you pass to assist my efforts. It is for the good of the server!

And ye nemesis of TC and FA, I ask that if you should see me toiling all alone with a dolyak, that you wave at me before you stake me to the ground.

Love,
Team Dolyak & Fluffyhooves (pictured below)

That was the best thing I have seen in these threads in a long time <3

~Nyari Cil

Kerithlan.1659:

It’s likely imagined on my part, but it looks as though FA is getting a raw deal out of the current alliance. Is that because things didn’t work out correctly at the start of the week?

Basically what I’m asking is, from the FA perspective, is everything going as planned now that you’ve settled into the alliance phase of things?

There was no alliance at the start of the week. Attempts at one were started Saturday afternoon.. taken a few days to get a majority on board. Like I said in a prev post on this thread, the alliance may not help much this week because it will take awhile to get the word out. But since this matchup will happen again next week it could work out much better then if we can keep it going.

Astry.9476:

Wasn’t a lot of TC folks jumping on the “there isn’t any alliance, lol!” bandwagon just recently? But some are the first to cry foul when their borderlands are split a bit?

Silly imho.

Just because a borderlands has two different colors on it, doesn’t always mean there’s some secret alliance. However if there is one that I don’t know about – my bad as I’ve heard nothing of it.

Its talked about quite openly, in this thread, by Derv himself. Its not a secret.

drtoph.4857:

You guys(TC) are upset b/c for the first time in a month you are having to deal with what YB, CD and FA has had to deal with the entire time. We have all had both opposing servers in our backyard for the last 3.5 weeks. Its easy to talk about superior defense when no one is attacking your shizz, not so easy now is it? Get used to it, I’m gunning for you TC. Before you say it, no its not because I want to move up a tier, its b/c of all the mess you have been talking on the forums the past few weeks. Look forward to seeing you and all that superior defense, I imagine I will be wiping that smug smile off the bottom of my boot.

I uh, don’t recall anyone on Tarnished Coast complaining about the current state of affairs. We asked you guys to come attack us and take our stuff. Or have you guys forgotten about last week? We’re still rallying and repelling your attacks during our peak hours. Nothing has changed other than we’re getting more pressure during our down time.

Personally i’m not terribly concerned about ranks and scores. But you have to admit, an alliance is good strategy. ~Shadow Gathering [FA]

This alliance is only good for the right now. Sure you two might be able to dethrone TC eventually but then another will become on top, FA or CD. (More likely CD based on numbers) Then your alliance might crumble unless FA/CD settles with Second or continues targeting TC. As soon as this alliance crumbles though TC will be able to rise up again in points just as it has all along because we all know that TC can’t be taken down without an alliance.

In the end it ends up being Infinite matches with the same servers unless an alliance isn’t formed or unless you focus TC out of the tier.

i don’t think there is formal alliance between FA and CD. mutual understanding perhaps, but not alliance as per say.

even if they exist, i personally don’t think the “alliance” would want to dethrone TC. perhaps just enough to keep the points close so that we would be in the same tier again. i don’t see any of the T3 servers now a T2 material yet.

Shinhwa.1604:

Kerithlan.1659:

It’s likely imagined on my part, but it looks as though FA is getting a raw deal out of the current alliance. Is that because things didn’t work out correctly at the start of the week?

Basically what I’m asking is, from the FA perspective, is everything going as planned now that you’ve settled into the alliance phase of things?

There was no alliance at the start of the week. Attempts at one were started Saturday afternoon.. taken a few days to get a majority on board. Like I said in a prev post on this thread, the alliance may not help much this week because it will take awhile to get the word out. But since this matchup will happen again next week it could work out much better then if we can keep it going.

I know there was no alliance at the start of the week. I was referring to you guys allowing TC to get the early lead by focusing on each other while mostly ignoring us for a day or two.

Fact: There is a formal Alliance between CD+FA. Not all CD and FA but some important CD + FA Commanders who have admitted in this very thread.

Fact: EB is a free for all and no alliances are in there. So if you only fight there don’t even bother commenting on alliances.

Also assuming you have actually played T2 I will take your word on “none of the servers being ready for tier 2” but as I see it, any server is ready for tier 2 if they can make it there. We shouldn’t base our servers off of Hypothetical levels of Betterment. Tier 2 could be the exact thing as Tier 3 and we wouldn’t even know it or not.

fenim.2395:

Fact: There is a formal Alliance between CD+FA. Not all CD and FA but some important CD + FA Commanders who have admitted in this very thread.

Fact: EB is a free for all and no alliances are in there. So if you only fight there don’t even bother commenting on alliances.

Also assuming you have actually played T2 I will take your word on “none of the servers being ready for tier 2” but as I see it, any server is ready for tier 2 if they can make it there. We shouldn’t base our servers off of Hypothetical levels of Betterment. Tier 2 could be the exact thing as Tier 3 and we wouldn’t even know it or not.

Well, at its height, we CD got our kitten kicked in T2. At the same time, we were able to utterly smash TC and DB when we dropped to T3. Not sure how much TC has changed since then. Any TC knows how much transfers they got between our first matchup together and now?

fenim.2395:

Personally i’m not terribly concerned about ranks and scores. But you have to admit, an alliance is good strategy. ~Shadow Gathering [FA]

This alliance is only good for the right now. Sure you two might be able to dethrone TC eventually but then another will become on top, FA or CD. (More likely CD based on numbers) Then your alliance might crumble unless FA/CD settles with Second or continues targeting TC. As soon as this alliance crumbles though TC will be able to rise up again in points just as it has all along because we all know that TC can’t be taken down without an alliance.

In the end it ends up being Infinite matches with the same servers unless an alliance isn’t formed or unless you focus TC out of the tier.

My thoughts exactly. A 2nd/3rd alliance makes it way more difficult for 1st to progress into T2. But TC/CD/FA will get sick of each other soon enough and 2nd/3rd cooperation will lose its appeal. Obviously an alliance like this has a short shelf life.

But as you said, it is good for right now. After almost a month of being outnumbered by TC and having TC sit comfortably atop T3, its really nice to bring a little bit of pain to TC. Things have suddenly become way more exciting and interesting for everyone. And to their credit, last week many TC players requested this very thing (fearing they were becoming complacent and losing their edge). So for now, an alliance is good for everyone and TCBL is my target.

sceptus.9415:

@Nyari Cil – just keep doing what you do best in EB. Win or lose, those in the BL always look to EB for inspiration.

FA History with TC
—————————————-
Week 1 – “Bah they are role-players. We will beat them easy they suck.”
Week 2 – “This is bs! We are being 2vs1! TC can’t be good. Role-player. Grumble.”
Week 3 – “TC are cheaters and villains! We are still being 2v1! I have a LOT of badges!”
Week 4 – “CD Help us Destroy the menace of TC.”

CD has bought hook line and sinker into this hatred FA has for us. The truth is, there are no smug faces. We are just playing a game and having fun. Most of us don’t give a darn if we move up or not.

I don’t think it’s hatred for you, at least less so than just wanting to beat you. I was still attacking both FA and TC yesterday night in EBG, trying to take what we could get for points, regardless of the server. Maybe you were specifically targeted in your own BL, but we’re hitting both servers everywhere else.

/salute to the [DSCS] necro (think I got the guild right) for the fight earlier. I returned for the tie beaker, but couldn’t find you. Thanks for ushering your server mate along to let us finish the fight.

At any rate great fight, see you out there.

Kman.7358:

sceptus.9415:

@Nyari Cil – just keep doing what you do best in EB. Win or lose, those in the BL always look to EB for inspiration.

FA History with TC
—————————————-
Week 1 – “Bah they are role-players. We will beat them easy they suck.”
Week 2 – “This is bs! We are being 2vs1! TC can’t be good. Role-player. Grumble.”
Week 3 – “TC are cheaters and villains! We are still being 2v1! I have a LOT of badges!”
Week 4 – “CD Help us Destroy the menace of TC.”

CD has bought hook line and sinker into this hatred FA has for us. The truth is, there are no smug faces. We are just playing a game and having fun. Most of us don’t give a darn if we move up or not.

I don’t think it’s hatred for you, at least less so than just wanting to beat you. I was still attacking both FA and TC yesterday night in EBG, trying to take what we could get for points, regardless of the server. Maybe you were specifically targeted in your own BL, but we’re hitting both servers everywhere else.

Your guild is excellent. /salute

TC got a few transfers after the time that we beat them. Being the RP server, all of the rp’ers will always be trying to get a spot in TC. CD on the other hand has had a huge amount of PVE’ers, since we were known as the unofficial PVE server. Luckily though this last week we had some spots open up and have had a few guilds transfer over, so now we are finally back to where we used to be population wise. That is why the fight is so much more fun this time then the last time they destroyed us.

sceptus.9415:

@Nyari Cil – just keep doing what you do best in EB. Win or lose, those in the BL always look to EB for inspiration.

FA History with TC
—————————————-
Week 1 – “Bah they are role-players. We will beat them easy they suck.”
Week 2 – “This is bs! We are being 2vs1! TC can’t be good. Role-player. Grumble.”
Week 3 – “TC are cheaters and villains! We are still being 2v1! I have a LOT of badges!”
Week 4 – “CD Help us Destroy the menace of TC.”

CD has bought hook line and sinker into this hatred FA has for us. The truth is, there are no smug faces. We are just playing a game and having fun. Most of us don’t give a darn if we move up or not.

I attended a fancy smacy server meeting for CD where a bunch of guild leaders yelled at each other about what they should be doing. The general consensus was that TC is unbeatable and that we should wipe out FA and take second… so I doubt this is true.

My guild however said screw that and did a bunch of damage to TC last night just for fun since we like being the underdogs. It wasn’t about any alliance.

Wow! This thread has spiced up for all right and wrong reasons!
First of all, I applaud people like Shinhwa and Shadow Gathering to come out openly and admit the temporary alliance/truce or a few commander-level coordination between 2 servers or a couple of guilds from both servers or whatever it is you call it. And yes, we asked for it. And it did make things a little interesting.
We did grow complacent over the past few weeks, and wanted to relive the SoR/BG days. We did get it last night (or early morning in NA today). The time when we have the lowest coverage. I’m not trying to justify why we lost our stuff, or to put down the effort you guys put in saying that you won over a few of us! Both CD & FA who actually worked in TCBL (I’m talking exclusively about TCBL and not EB or some random JP so those who were not part of TCBL crew from both these servers, better not jump on this post as you obviously know nothing) knew how much effort it took them to take the stuff from us, and how much effort it took for us to try to defend what we have. And yes as a few of my fellow Coasties who were there at that time, well put it in terms of what mistakes we made, and where we could improve and where we’ve shined.
A few things that hurt us terribly are wrong upgrades being ordered on keeps at wrong times (not sure who did it or how this happened, most regulars know which order to upgrade, etc but well) and the other thing was lack of waypoint at Bay/Hills & Garrison. Only way for us to get back to the points of assaults was from our spawn.
But even waypoints would’ve helped us only so much as we actually did NOT have enough numbers at that point of time. Our NA crew is quite strong, there’s no denying it from our side or any server that fought us. Our weak area is our NA off hours. We still lack coverage at that time. And whatever forces we have then, stick to EB except a few. If we were equally a huge force during that timeslot, I’m pretty sure we would have tried to make a huge push while there was an assault on Bay. But we don’t have numbers at that time, exactly when the Asian guilds from CD are in full form. No it’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. We tried to hold onto whatever we have until our NA morning crew starts showing up. Once they were on, we actually took back everything, held off another assault by CD on bay. The wall went down, and yet we managed to keep them outside the gate. Not quite sure what happened next, since it was 3am over here and I had to sleep. I missed my workout today, but it was worth it for one day! Hope I can stay awake in the office :P

As to the wrong reasons mentioned by a few:
- TC never claimed it is almighty. If anyone did treat it such or look at it such, it’s the servers we fought.
- Yes TC is proud of the dedication of its players with regards to defenses, yak escorting, siege deployments, tactics and quick responsiveness. We never boasted about it, and MAINLY never looked down upon others. If some of us did, we were merely pointing out areas where you could improve. And yes, I posted yesterday as well that if an alliance works well for FA & CD, we could all learn from each other. That’s how most of us would look at it.
- Nobody from TC is crying about 2v1 here. It’s quite evident from each and every Toasties’ posts here since the reset where we literally asked them to team up. Yes, we ASKED them to. During TC/FA/YB matchups, we left YB at times due to reasons openly admitted here, their defenses on their BL. It was quite evident from other occasions where one of these servers would take down the walls from one side and the other would come from behind, clean up the former and claim the point for themselves. Clearly there was no alliance.
- If you’re not in TCBL, you wouldn’t know about whatever communication that happened between commanders from CD & FA. So there’s no point in commenting on what happened in EB, when the discussion here was regarding the brief alliance on TCBL. Was there a server-wide alliance all over? Nobody said that. Was there an alliance in TCBL? It was openly admitted. There’s no point in denying it by a few who weren’t even on TCBL and if you think its US crying over 2v1 after asking for it, well, hope you get well soon!

phaneo.4597:

Wow! This thread has spiced up for all right and wrong reasons!
First of all, I applaud people like Shinhwa and Shadow Gathering to come out openly and admit the temporary alliance/truce or a few commander-level coordination between 2 servers or a couple of guilds from both servers or whatever it is you call it. And yes, we asked for it. And it did make things a little interesting.
We did grow complacent over the past few weeks, and wanted to relive the SoR/BG days. We did get it last night (or early morning in NA today). The time when we have the lowest coverage. I’m not trying to justify why we lost our stuff, or to put the effort you guys put in saying that you won over a few of us! Both CD & FA who actually worked in TCBL (I’m talking exclusively about TCBL and not EB or some random JP so those who were not part of TCBL crew from both these servers, better not jump on this post as you obviously know nothing) knew how much effort it took them to take the stuff from us, and how much effort it took for us to try to defend what we have. And yes as a few of my fellow Coasties who were there at that time, well put it in terms of what mistakes we made, and where we could improve and where we’ve shined.
A few things that hurt us terribly are wrong upgrades being ordered on keeps at wrong times (not sure who did it or how this happened, most regulars know which order to upgrade, etc but well) and the other thing was lack of waypoint at Bay/Hills & Garrison. Only way for us to get back to the points of assaults was from our spawn.
But even waypoints would’ve helped us only so much as we actually did NOT have enough numbers at that point of time. Our NA crew is quite strong, there’s no denying it from our side or any server that fought us. Our weak area is our NA off hours. We still lack coverage at that time. And whatever forces we have then, stick to EB except a few. If we were equally a huge force during that timeslot, I’m pretty sure we would have tried to make a huge push while there was an assault on Bay. But we don’t have numbers at that time, exactly when the Asian guilds from CD are in full form. No it’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. We tried to hold onto whatever we have until our NA morning crew starts showing up. Once they were on, we actually took back everything, held off another assault by CD on bay. The wall went down, and yet we managed to keep them outside the gate. Not quite sure what happened next, since it was 3am over here and I had to sleep. I missed my workout today, but it was worth it for one day! Hope I can stay awake in the office :P

As to the wrong reasons mentioned by a few:
- TC never claimed it is almighty. If anyone did treat it such or look at it such, it’s the servers we fought.
- Yes TC is proud of the dedication of its players with regards to defenses, yak escorting, siege deployments, tactics and quick responsiveness. We never boasted about it, and MAINLY never looked down upon others. If some of us did, we were merely pointing out areas where you could improve. And yes, I posted yesterday as well that if an alliance works well for FA & CD, we could all learn from each other. That’s how most of us would look at it.
- Nobody from TC is crying about 2v1 here. It’s quite evident from each and every Toasties’ posts here since the reset where we literally asked them to team up. Yes, we ASKED them to. During TC/FA/YB matchups, we left YB at times due to reasons openly admitted here, their defenses on their BL. It was quite evident from other occasions where one of these servers would take down the walls from one side and the other would come from behind, clean up the former and claim the point for themselves. Clearly there was no alliance.
- If you’re not in TCBL, you wouldn’t know about whatever communication that happened between commanders from CD & FA. So there’s no point in commenting on what happened in EB, when the discussion here was regarding the brief alliance on TCBL. Was there a server-wide alliance all over? Nobody said that. Was there an alliance in TCBL? It was openly admitted. There’s no point in denying it by a few who weren’t even on TCBL and if you think its US crying over 2v1 after asking for it, well, hope you get well soon!

What? The general consensus from the meeting of all the major guilds in CD was to attack FA and secure second. So one or two guilds formed an alliance with an FA guild. That’s not the whole server by anymeans.

This is so absurd… everyone is so paranoid. The people in CD thought FA and TC had a deal for a while.

This is starting to get to tabloid level.

Viridian.2357:

What? The general consensus from the meeting of all the major guilds in CD was to attack FA and secure second.

This is so absurd… everyone is so paranoid. The people in CD thought FA and TC had a deal for a while.

This is starting to get to tabloid level.

Guess you didn’t read my whole post and jumped to replying directly based off the first line or your comprehension level needs improvement. I didn’t anywhere mention any GENERAL consensus or Server-wide alliance, I said some guilds from both servers who were on TCBL. L2 Read maybe?

Edit: well, alright you suddenly edited a line after I posted this. A quote from my last post:

- If you’re not in TCBL, you wouldn’t know about whatever communication that happened between commanders from CD & FA. So there’s no point in commenting on what happened in EB, when the discussion here was regarding the brief alliance on TCBL. Was there a server-wide alliance all over? Nobody said that. Was there an alliance in TCBL? It was openly admitted.

And read my whole post again, and see if it really sounds paranoid?