Guild Wars 2

neogico.3298:

I’m so sick of it, I’m sick of T1, I’m sick of JQs mentality, I’m sick of how broken everything really is. Are you guys not tired of how bad T1 has actually become? Can you not see how bored everyone is getting? Noones even posting on the forums anymore, we are all so bored, noone cares to fight for anything for that matter. I’m sick of even attempting to look for small scale fights as no matter what you do, how much you bow, wave etc.. attempt to get a duel or an even fight against JQ you will ALWAYS i mean ALWAYS end up outmanned 3to1 at least. If you somehow have found yourself in a fair fight, expect to get run over at the end of it. The word sportsmanship has been erased from a JQ’s vocabulary. I miss Blackgate and SBI they had some roamers that would wave and cheer and ENJOY the game with you and want to have a fun, fair, fight.
But I have a dream. A plea. A wish. Please for the love of competetive tiers. Something needs to happen. Ideally SoR and SoS merged and Kaineng and Blackgate merge so you end up with 3 stacked servers instead of 1. Then TC would get a break as well and have much better fights against servers like FA. I envy Borlis Pass, NSP and Anvil Rock so much and that’s what every tier should be like.
And this goes to all players in wvw: Please be more fair. If someone is duelling someone else, dont jump in, if a small op is fighting another, same thing, just watch it and walk away… I know this is probably impossible, but attempt to keep it fair for the good of the game and the fun factor. Ganking is and has never been good for a pvp community in all games.

Honestly there is no need for servers merging, SoR,SoS,BG,KG, and TC are all balanced servers for the state of the game atm, all of those matches are close, and if for some reason they are not close I can guarantee that the fights make up for that. The only problem with WvW atm is HOD 3.0(JQ), If your able to seal the deal by monday night in T1, then you should already know that there is a balance issue. At this point its just a waiting game. JQ will eventually shed some of those numbers and then they can be considered an enjoyable fight, but as of right now they are just a PPT server looking only to defend what they have and take as much ppt as possible. Its a shame really cause JQ used to brawl with anybody like nobody’s business when I played with them

It’s Thursday on Radio Free JQ; this is Uncle Mance, with music, and the truth until reset!

Some words for our brothers and sisters on the front lines: “the babies cries will attract the badgers, the babies cries will attract the badgers," the louder the bark the smaller the part, the louder the bark the smaller the part".

Word on the streets is the badgers don’t play fair. Word on the streets is they don’t care for other peoples feelings. Word on the streets is they play dirty and mean. Word on the streets is, they dun wanna play with you HONEY BADGERS NO MO! But we know why you fight so hard don’t we my sweet honey badgers. This right here, this T1, this HURT business, this is the honey badgers home….this is the honey badgers house son.

FOR MY BADGERS ON THE FRONT LINE, taking it tooooooooooooo the enemy, I can hear THEIR CRY’S OF DESPERATION! I can HEAR the weeping! I can hear the Sorrow! YOU MAKE THEM ANGRY, my little sweet, caring, Honey badgers…

This song, is for what you’ve made those filthy invaders, who have dared try and set foot in our precious, precious Quarry.

This song is for you..

http://youtu.be/zjCtHgNEcV0

Hoots.9564:

neogico.3298:

I’m so sick of it, I’m sick of T1, I’m sick of JQs mentality, I’m sick of how broken everything really is. Are you guys not tired of how bad T1 has actually become? Can you not see how bored everyone is getting? Noones even posting on the forums anymore, we are all so bored, noone cares to fight for anything for that matter. I’m sick of even attempting to look for small scale fights as no matter what you do, how much you bow, wave etc.. attempt to get a duel or an even fight against JQ you will ALWAYS i mean ALWAYS end up outmanned 3to1 at least. If you somehow have found yourself in a fair fight, expect to get run over at the end of it. The word sportsmanship has been erased from a JQ’s vocabulary. I miss Blackgate and SBI they had some roamers that would wave and cheer and ENJOY the game with you and want to have a fun, fair, fight.
But I have a dream. A plea. A wish. Please for the love of competetive tiers. Something needs to happen. Ideally SoR and SoS merged and Kaineng and Blackgate merge so you end up with 3 stacked servers instead of 1. Then TC would get a break as well and have much better fights against servers like FA. I envy Borlis Pass, NSP and Anvil Rock so much and that’s what every tier should be like.
And this goes to all players in wvw: Please be more fair. If someone is duelling someone else, dont jump in, if a small op is fighting another, same thing, just watch it and walk away… I know this is probably impossible, but attempt to keep it fair for the good of the game and the fun factor. Ganking is and has never been good for a pvp community in all games.

Honestly there is no need for servers merging, SoR,SoS,BG,KG, and TC are all balanced servers for the state of the game atm, all of those matches are close, and if for some reason they are not close I can guarantee that the fights make up for that. The only problem with WvW atm is HOD 3.0(JQ), If your able to seal the deal by monday night in T1, then you should already know that there is a balance issue. At this point its just a waiting game. JQ will eventually shed some of those numbers and then they can be considered an enjoyable fight, but as of right now they are just a PPT server looking only to defend what they have and take as much ppt as possible. Its a shame really cause JQ used to brawl with anybody like nobody’s business when I played with them

But, but, I thought the weekends were when everything is equal?!

Lol, “when I played with them”…“when we were there”… Ugh guys. Servers change, people change. We still brawl quite well, we still have many small guilds that go to WvW, we still fight open field, and yes (as weird as it is) we still like the ppt. The ppt is what’s kept us in T1.

All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.

Jahn.7019:

All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.

Obviously, they’re great!

Jahn.7019:

All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.

Well, mix with smaller guild and alot of scouting too.

But yes, JQ asian crew is one of the big factor for JQ’s success .

Wotah.2975:

But, but, I thought the weekends were when everything is equal?!

Lol, “when I played with them”…“when we were there”… Ugh guys. Servers change, people change. We still brawl quite well, we still have many small guilds that go to WvW, we still fight open field, and yes (as weird as it is) we still like the ppt. The ppt is what’s kept us in T1.

lol, cant brawl when your behind your fully fortified walls every night. Hope Foo is happy with carrying your server.

My first few hours/days in wvw, I got ganked, a lot. This was long ago. I guess I missed the first few hours of wvw where ganking didn’t happen. So when were these glory days of no ganking?

Waha is awesome, and FoO and friends are good people.

Hoots.9564:

Wotah.2975:

But, but, I thought the weekends were when everything is equal?!

Lol, “when I played with them”…“when we were there”… Ugh guys. Servers change, people change. We still brawl quite well, we still have many small guilds that go to WvW, we still fight open field, and yes (as weird as it is) we still like the ppt. The ppt is what’s kept us in T1.

lol, cant brawl when your behind your fully fortified walls every night. Hope Foo is happy with carrying your server.

I was just going to type this. Foo is a great guild and really carries the JQ server. The JQ crew has really gotten fat and lazy behind their fully fortified keeps.

How can it be fun to play on SEA if you play on JQ? Atm having 3 fully capped BL’s (apart from 1 tower). And we just had 10 people defending our last fortified tower in homeland to 50+ JQ, they built 3 trebs & 4 catas to take it down.

And yet you say this is PvP not PvD…

The sweet irony of anyone on SoS complaining about JQ’s SEA coverage. Can’t count the the number of times I logged on the next day to see any progress my group had made wiped aside by SoS’s Oceanics.

Beating a dead horse: Coverage is part of WvW. Superior coverage gets you fortified keeps. What I don’t get is if SoR really only cares about the fights like they’re so insistent on claiming, why such constant whining about PPT and coverage? Less QQ, moar pew pew.

Thor.1756:

The sweet irony of anyone on SoS complaining about JQ’s SEA coverage. Can’t count the the number of times I logged on the next day to see any progress my group had made wiped aside by SoS’s Oceanics.

Beating a dead horse: Coverage is part of WvW. Superior coverage gets you fortified keeps. What I don’t get is if SoR really only cares about the fights like they’re so insistent on claiming, why such constant whining about PPT and coverage? Less QQ, moar pew pew.

You don’t leave the keeps to have these so called “fights”.

I’ll spell it out, every server, the green zerg, the red zerg, and the blue zerg PvD when no one is home. You can quote me.
In this match alone, every server has had >50% pie wedges.
Since in real life, people do that school, work, play, sleep, eat, socialize and do not exist in the virtual world 24/7; there will be quiet times. PvDoor is less satisfying, but the ppt must be fed. PvE is infinitely more fun, but prime times vary. Good day.

Burl.9567:

You don’t leave the keeps to have these so called “fights”.

Dunno who you been fighting against, but when I fight with PRX, SF, or AoS, we don’t hide in keeps.

Unless we’re holed up in someones garry on another borderlands and they keep throwing themselves at us, we don’t really have the option of leaving at that point. Not that we’d want to, what with all the bags and all.

Thor.1756:

Burl.9567:

You don’t leave the keeps to have these so called “fights”.

Dunno who you been fighting against, but when I fight with PRX, SF, or AoS, we don’t hide in keeps.

Unless we’re holed up in someones garry on another borderlands and they keep throwing themselves at us, we don’t really have the option of leaving at that point. Not that we’d want to, what with all the bags and all.

We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…

Burl.9567:

We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…

Well if we leave it’s either

1. we’ve already won the match and are just running XP/Karma trains
or
2. SoR’s concentrated all of its forces on one borderland in one giant amorphous blob, and since we care about PPT AND fights, one of the groups on the border splits out to another one to cap all your kitten.

This is called “strategy.” We routinely laugh our kitten off as your giant blob fails to cap anything more on this map while losing everything else your server owns. You may claim that your victories in your one big group mean you’re more skilled players, but some people may think that the ability to divide forces into smaller groups and cap more objectives is another indicator of server skill. Crazy, I know.

Thor.1756:

Burl.9567:

We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…

Well if we leave it’s either

1. we’ve already won the match and are just running XP/Karma trains
or
2. SoR’s concentrated all of its forces on one borderland in one giant amorphous blob, and since we care about PPT AND fights, one of the groups on the border splits out to another one to cap all your kitten.

This is called “strategy.” We routinely laugh our kitten off as your giant blob fails to cap anything more on this map while losing everything else your server owns. You may claim that your victories in your one big group mean you’re more skilled players, but some people may think that the ability to divide forces into smaller groups and cap more objectives is another indicator of server skill. Crazy, I know.

Translation: We eventually tire of getting rickrolled non-stop and move for hopefully easier BLs, even though points mean nothing when we are up 70k, we are still playing “ppt strategy”.

Teel.9036:

How can it be fun to play on SEA if you play on JQ? Atm having 3 fully capped BL’s (apart from 1 tower). And we just had 10 people defending our last fortified tower in homeland to 50+ JQ, they built 3 trebs & 4 catas to take it down.

And yet you say this is PvP not PvD…

PPT Strategy obviously.

Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.

I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.

MarMaster.6241:

I’ll spell it out, every server, the green zerg, the red zerg, and the blue zerg PvD when no one is home. You can quote me.
In this match alone, every server has had >50% pie wedges.
Since in real life, people do that school, work, play, sleep, eat, socialize and do not exist in the virtual world 24/7; there will be quiet times. PvDoor is less satisfying, but the ppt must be fed. PvE is infinitely more fun, but prime times vary. Good day.

Dont waste your breath responding it’s more glorifying to just ignore it.

One of my favorite aspects of JQ is how you rarely see if ever ppt’s freaked out over or maintaining that number one spot at all costs talked about in game or on our server forum as well as within the community. You would never even know we are the current number one server nor the server with the most medals in t1 as well as most time spent in t1 as a server within our community. It’s a non issue. It’s the kind of environment many of us original JQers wanting to foster. Toughing out the long queues, the defeats, as well as the pressure winning carries, and drama from various sources over the months have paid off for the community. Especially after the transfers closed.

The only time we as a community got a little worked up over the wvw scores was when we were about to get pushed back to t2 for the second time in the SBI/BG match. We voted as a community with the consensus being to fight to the end rather than just accept an easier fight in t2.

Years from now in other games I know I will proudly be able to say we created something unique on JQ and I was an original JQ honey badger.

Thor.1756:

Burl.9567:

We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…

Well if we leave it’s either

1. we’ve already won the match and are just running XP/Karma trains
or
2. SoR’s concentrated all of its forces on one borderland in one giant amorphous blob, and since we care about PPT AND fights, one of the groups on the border splits out to another one to cap all your kitten.

This is called “strategy.” We routinely laugh our kitten off as your giant blob fails to cap anything more on this map while losing everything else your server owns. You may claim that your victories in your one big group mean you’re more skilled players, but some people may think that the ability to divide forces into smaller groups and cap more objectives is another indicator of server skill. Crazy, I know.

So….since you already won the match this week, it clearly isn’t option number 2. So it must be option 1. So since all of SoR is in one “giant amorphous blob” as you put it the train must not be producing the Karma/XP like you want. huh….wonder why that is.

Thor.1756:

Burl.9567:

We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…

Well if we leave it’s either

1. we’ve already won the match and are just running XP/Karma trains
or
2. SoR’s concentrated all of its forces on one borderland in one giant amorphous blob, and since we care about PPT AND fights, one of the groups on the border splits out to another one to cap all your kitten.

This is called “strategy.” We routinely laugh our kitten off as your giant blob fails to cap anything more on this map while losing everything else your server owns. You may claim that your victories in your one big group mean you’re more skilled players, but some people may think that the ability to divide forces into smaller groups and cap more objectives is another indicator of server skill. Crazy, I know.

Suuuuuuuure you do.

We routinely laugh our kitten off too when we see outmanned buffs suddenly after wiping your so called XP/Karma trains.

But no, that must be “strategery”(tyvm GWB).

Jahn.7019:

All of JQ’s ppt performance, past and present is due to FOO.

FOO is awesome for what they do. You discredit many teams that maintain a higher ppt during the NA prime as well. I see hypocritical posts of, “we won the weekend, mnyaahhhh!!!” From other servers. So, teams from my server make it a concerted effort to show up in proper form after a couple of weeks during the weekend, this past weekend. You don’t pull over a 25k lead by Sunday night from just the non NA teams, you pull that from the overall representation of your server. Sure, a lot of gamers placed more activity throughout the weekend, but it was the teamwork that pulled through for the teams all together, not just one single team. If NA prime time was so low on ppt on the weekend, the score should have been much much closer.

Unless people are going to state that NA Prime is PvDoor as well now too? I’m not getting where all these thought processes are coming from. There has been quite a few times to where JQ has held roughly a 325 tick during NA prime on the weekend with the next server being roughly 100 behind, then it flip flops by the hour. Not to mention even on a Monday night JQ pulls a 375-400++ tick. I’d recommend just staying quiet and accept the fact that there are a lot of uneven and even matches out there constantly no matter what server you are on. There were times that the other servers were performing at this same capacity as well. It is not just one server.

In regards to claiming that teams only hide in towers and keeps, I’ll toss my “come at me brah” flag out there. Any and all of you know that I’m a kitten commander and have absolutely no problem running kamikaze in to anything and seeing what the results for “science” are.

To generalize everyone in one lump sum timezone or category from any one server is ridiculous. You have too many factors involved in everything. The speculations spent on what you can derive from nothing is a lot of non-value added time and typing to see your text on a wall that is considered the official forums or other forums.

There, I have a weekly rant complete, almost have my monthly done for the achievement.

Thor.1756:

Burl.9567:

We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…

Well if we leave it’s either

1. we’ve already won the match and are just running XP/Karma trains
or
2. SoR’s concentrated all of its forces on one borderland in one giant amorphous blob, and since we care about PPT AND fights, one of the groups on the border splits out to another one to cap all your kitten.

This is called “strategy.” We routinely laugh our kitten off as your giant blob fails to cap anything more on this map while losing everything else your server owns. You may claim that your victories in your one big group mean you’re more skilled players, but some people may think that the ability to divide forces into smaller groups and cap more objectives is another indicator of server skill. Crazy, I know.

Speaking for myself, I think its more fun to have even, challenging fight than to fight doors. Points dont matter cause you dont win anything. Having more points than someone is not entertaining. FIghting them for an hour to defend a tower is.

This is why many of us canceled wvw nights when the enemy didnt show up in t2. Its just not fun to cap empty buildings.

FOO carries JQ, your wall of text only proves that you’re overly sensitive to the matter since your guild makes no difference in WvW atm.

And getting constantly rolled by SoS and SoR is now known as “kamikaze” and “for science”, noted.

This is funny.

Full disclosure: I am a JQ player.

If you had a time machine and went back to november and showed everyone on these forums this thread, but hid the server names, everyone who read it would guess those folks whining about JQ were talking about SoS.

If you went back to September, they’d think those folks whining about JQ were whining about HoD.

The only time T1 was ever a close to even match was back in the BG, JQ, SBI days just after HoD imploded and just before SoS got to T1. I remember thinking “Hey, this SoS team looks like the might give us a run for our money. This should shake things up!”

And ever since, we’ve had one server dominating the other 2. I have long come to accept that. When SoS was on top, I used to say score doesn’t matter. Population wins matches. I’m just here for good fights.

Now that JQ is winning, I say score doesn’t matter. Population wins matches, and I’m just here for good fights.

And you can still find good fights, even during the chaotic end of week blowouts like this one. If you can’t find a good fight, you aren’t trying.

I mean, I just read that wall o text complaint above and can honestly say that anyone who is that upset over it maybe shouldn’t be playing video games, period. I’m serious. That’s a pretty disturbed post right there. It’s not that big of a deal.

I rarely run with more than 5 people when I’m on. I get to fight smaller groups from other servers all the time. I just say away from blue pins and large groups. It’s easy.

Having survived 8 weeks without a chance in hell of winning, I can empathise with folks who get a little discouraged, but the outright rage and self inflicted torture on here are what’s making T1 less fun.

Just like I said back when SoS was king… not for long. Something always comes along and changes WvW. JQ will not win every match. You’ll see. People thought HoD would still be dominating right now back in Sept. No one listened to me when I said SoS would be out of first by February back when I posted it in November. Well, hear me now:

JQ will not be in first place in T1 come April. And the server that hangs around and keeps nutting up and getting stronger will reap the rewards.

What did we used to say back in the day, my fellow JQers? “We’ll be here long after they’re gone.” And we are. If you, as a server, ever want to take first, you have to start believing the same thing.

Reize.2176:

Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.

I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.

No.

For 8 weeks SoS rolled through tier 1. Everyone had fun. There was much joy in the world and people frolicked in the streets.

Times have changed. JQ has taken roids. SBI has disappeared and been replaced, first by a tenacious little pitbull named Blackgate, now by a larger, angrier mob named SoR.

Running to another server (a couple of our hardcore pvp guilds) or dropping to another tier to hide from JQ is for sissies.

Jahn.7019:

FOO carries JQ, your wall of text only proves that you’re overly sensitive to the matter since your guild makes no difference in WvW atm.

And getting rolled by SoS and SoR constantly is now known as “kamikaze” and “for science”, noted.

Oh man… wrong guy to call out, my friend… you must be new to this…???

urzen.7096:

Speaking for myself, I think its more fun to have even, challenging fight than to fight doors. Points dont matter cause you dont win anything. Having more points than someone is not entertaining. FIghting them for an hour to defend a tower is.

Then SoR should be adapting, splitting up into smaller groups when the fight calls for it, and fighting the enemy where they go, having your even fights in smaller groups. Not simply complaining when some of your enemy disappears and calling them cowards. I’ve seen single JQ guilds do this multiple times, leaving a main force of 20-30 on one map, and sending 10 to organize pugs on another. I’ve yet to see Choo, TW, or any other SoR guild employ this kind of flexibility.

What this game really needs is a website output that displays points acquired per player, points acquired per guild, points per death, kills per death.

Then we could have a hell of a lot of fun comparing IRS.

But then this game would have to have points …

hex.3218:

Jahn.7019:

FOO carries JQ, your wall of text only proves that you’re overly sensitive to the matter since your guild makes no difference in WvW atm.

And getting rolled by SoS and SoR constantly is now known as “kamikaze” and “for science”, noted.

Oh man… wrong guy to call out, my friend… you must be new to this…???

What? Is he going to give me less bags now?

Reize.2176:

Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.

I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.

You are going to be waiting a LONG time. Unless a server in T1 or T2 implodes the top two tiers are going to stay this way for a long time. T2 matches are close enough that no one is getting major points and T1 is close enough that no one if losing major points.

Thor.1756:

urzen.7096:

Speaking for myself, I think its more fun to have even, challenging fight than to fight doors. Points dont matter cause you dont win anything. Having more points than someone is not entertaining. FIghting them for an hour to defend a tower is.

Then SoR should be adapting, splitting up into smaller groups when the fight calls for it, and fighting the enemy where they go, having your even fights in smaller groups. Not simply complaining when some of your enemy disappears and calling them cowards. I’ve seen single JQ guilds do this multiple times, leaving a main force of 20-30 on one map, and sending 10 to organize pugs on another. I’ve yet to see Choo, TW, or any other SoR guild employ this kind of flexibility.

Then you must consider looking at the scorecards in this thread as “playing”, because you surely aren’t actually playing the same game I am.

EasymodeX.4062:

What this game really needs is a website output that displays points acquired per player, points acquired per guild, points per death, kills per death.

Then we could have a hell of a lot of fun comparing IRS.

But then this game would have to have points …

That’s just crazy talk. Do you know how many times I ran in to certain death just because I could. Obviously the person that doesn’t get killed is the better winner here right?! Har har…

Jahn.7019:

hex.3218:

Jahn.7019:

FOO carries JQ, your wall of text only proves that you’re overly sensitive to the matter since your guild makes no difference in WvW atm.

And getting rolled by SoS and SoR constantly is now known as “kamikaze” and “for science”, noted.

Oh man… wrong guy to call out, my friend… you must be new to this…???

What? Is he going to give me less bags now?

Did you just claim to farm one of the best open field guilds in the game for bags?

Lemme guess, you also took on RG solo and won, right?

I can’t believe people that play to attain the points to get to T1 and when they get there they say, “points don’t mean anything we’re here for the fights!”

EasymodeX.4062:

What this game really needs is a website output that displays points acquired per player, points acquired per guild, points per death, kills per death.

Then we could have a hell of a lot of fun comparing IRS.

But then this game would have to have points …

I dread the day they ever even think about putting something like this in. Keeping track of peoples k/d ratio does nothing but kill good fights. People are to worried about their ratio to ever fight a fight unless they know they are going to win.

Track total kills all you want but never track K/D ratios.

hex.3218:

This is funny.

Full disclosure: I am a JQ player.

If you had a time machine and went back to november and showed everyone on these forums this thread, but hid the server names, everyone who read it would guess those folks whining about JQ were talking about SoS.

If you went back to September, they’d think those folks whining about JQ were whining about HoD.

The only time T1 was ever a close to even match was back in the BG, JQ, SBI days just after HoD imploded and just before SoS got to T1. I remember thinking “Hey, this SoS team looks like the might give us a run for our money. This should shake things up!”

And ever since, we’ve had one server dominating the other 2. I have long come to accept that. When SoS was on top, I used to say score doesn’t matter. Population wins matches. I’m just here for good fights.

Now that JQ is winning, I say score doesn’t matter. Population wins matches, and I’m just here for good fights.

And you can still find good fights, even during the chaotic end of week blowouts like this one. If you can’t find a good fight, you aren’t trying.

I mean, I just read that wall o text complaint above and can honestly say that anyone who is that upset over it maybe shouldn’t be playing video games, period. I’m serious. That’s a pretty disturbed post right there. It’s not that big of a deal.

I rarely run with more than 5 people when I’m on. I get to fight smaller groups from other servers all the time. I just say away from blue pins and large groups. It’s easy.

Having survived 8 weeks without a chance in hell of winning, I can empathise with folks who get a little discouraged, but the outright rage and self inflicted torture on here are what’s making T1 less fun.

Just like I said back when SoS was king… not for long. Something always comes along and changes WvW. JQ will not win every match. You’ll see. People thought HoD would still be dominating right now back in Sept. No one listened to me when I said SoS would be out of first by February back when I posted it in November. Well, hear me now:

JQ will not be in first place in T1 come April. And the server that hangs around and keeps nutting up and getting stronger will reap the rewards.

What did we used to say back in the day, my fellow JQers? “We’ll be here long after they’re gone.” And we are. If you, as a server, ever want to take first, you have to start believing the same thing.

That was before free transfers were closed. As it stands, the end of that era has sealed in a vastly superior population to JQ. My bet is that this imbalance is more indefinite than something as soon as April.

I have 2100+ deaths.

puffs up his muscly asuran chest

Old screen of a fair fight from the first SBI/SoR/TC match.

Jahn.7019:

Wotah.2975:

I can’t believe people that play to attain the points to get to T1 and when they get there they say, “points don’t mean anything we’re here for the fights!”

It’s obvious you’re not a real pvper then. How many kills do you have on your character? I wager under 15k

I’m too lazy to look back… have you told us what guild you’re from?

SuPaSuPau.1904:

hex.3218:

This is funny.

Full disclosure: I am a JQ player.

If you had a time machine and went back to november and showed everyone on these forums this thread, but hid the server names, everyone who read it would guess those folks whining about JQ were talking about SoS.

If you went back to September, they’d think those folks whining about JQ were whining about HoD.

The only time T1 was ever a close to even match was back in the BG, JQ, SBI days just after HoD imploded and just before SoS got to T1. I remember thinking “Hey, this SoS team looks like the might give us a run for our money. This should shake things up!”

And ever since, we’ve had one server dominating the other 2. I have long come to accept that. When SoS was on top, I used to say score doesn’t matter. Population wins matches. I’m just here for good fights.

Now that JQ is winning, I say score doesn’t matter. Population wins matches, and I’m just here for good fights.

And you can still find good fights, even during the chaotic end of week blowouts like this one. If you can’t find a good fight, you aren’t trying.

I mean, I just read that wall o text complaint above and can honestly say that anyone who is that upset over it maybe shouldn’t be playing video games, period. I’m serious. That’s a pretty disturbed post right there. It’s not that big of a deal.

I rarely run with more than 5 people when I’m on. I get to fight smaller groups from other servers all the time. I just say away from blue pins and large groups. It’s easy.

Having survived 8 weeks without a chance in hell of winning, I can empathise with folks who get a little discouraged, but the outright rage and self inflicted torture on here are what’s making T1 less fun.

Just like I said back when SoS was king… not for long. Something always comes along and changes WvW. JQ will not win every match. You’ll see. People thought HoD would still be dominating right now back in Sept. No one listened to me when I said SoS would be out of first by February back when I posted it in November. Well, hear me now:

JQ will not be in first place in T1 come April. And the server that hangs around and keeps nutting up and getting stronger will reap the rewards.

What did we used to say back in the day, my fellow JQers? “We’ll be here long after they’re gone.” And we are. If you, as a server, ever want to take first, you have to start believing the same thing.

That was before free transfers were closed. As it stands, the end of that era has sealed in a vastly superior population to JQ. My bet is that this imbalance is more indefinite than something as soon as April.

Transfers don’t kill servers, attrition kills servers. Before long, some server will want it more and JQ will lose its fair weather flock. And even tho free thransfers have ended, big guilds are still on the move. And when the next big PvP game hits, watch the huge swing as folks say goodbye to this game.

By April. I’ll be back to post the ‘I told you so.’ Granted, I won’t be happy about losing, but hey. It is what it is.

Orikx.9671:

EasymodeX.4062:

What this game really needs is a website output that displays points acquired per player, points acquired per guild, points per death, kills per death.

Then we could have a hell of a lot of fun comparing IRS.

But then this game would have to have points …

I dread the day they ever even think about putting something like this in. Keeping track of peoples k/d ratio does nothing but kill good fights. People are to worried about their ratio to ever fight a fight unless they know they are going to win.

Track total kills all you want but never track K/D ratios.

Lol. K/D and IRS are miscellaneous. Probably should have left it off.

I think most people would be generally more interested in total points accumulated by guild, and points per guild member.

Camelotherald is one of the best things to ever grace the MMO PvP scene.

K/D and IRS are perfectly legit. No need to bash the playstyle/goals of other players. You can play, instead, for total points.

Either way, all this inter-server and inter-guild bickering and “borderland hopping” is shallow without hard [fun] stats to back it up.

Jahn.7019:

Barab.9016:

MarMaster.6241:

I’ll spell it out, every server, the green zerg, the red zerg, and the blue zerg PvD when no one is home. You can quote me.
In this match alone, every server has had >50% pie wedges.
Since in real life, people do that school, work, play, sleep, eat, socialize and do not exist in the virtual world 24/7; there will be quiet times. PvDoor is less satisfying, but the ppt must be fed. PvE is infinitely more fun, but prime times vary. Good day.

Dont waste your breath responding it’s more glorifying to just ignore it.

One of my favorite aspects of JQ is how you rarely see if ever ppt’s freaked out over or maintaining that number one spot at all costs talked about in game or on our server forum as well as within the community. You would never even know we are the current number one server nor the server with the most medals in t1 as well as most time spent in t1 as a server within our community. It’s a non issue. It’s the kind of environment many of us original JQers wanting to foster. Toughing out the long queues, the defeats, as well as the pressure winning carries, and drama from various sources over the months have paid off for the community. Especially after the transfers closed.

The only time we as a community got a little worked up over the wvw scores was when we were about to get pushed back to t2 for the second time in the SBI/BG match. We voted as a community with the consensus being to fight to the end rather than just accept an easier fight in t2.

Years from now in other games I know I will proudly be able to say we created something unique on JQ and I was an original JQ honey badger.

Years from now, no one is going to remember JQ, SoS, SoR, BG, KN. Heck 6 months later people barely remember HoD.

This is a game, if that is your life accomplishment you are hoping to cherish down the road, you need to re-evaluate your life.

Maybe you wont remember the gaming communities you have belong to six months ago but it’s not true for all players. Sure my gaming experiences could never replace experiences such as the birth of my children, my marriage, my home I own, the awesomeness that living in a world class city brings, and so on but as a gamer I still connect to and share a living mmorpg history with the communities Ive belong to from past games.

I still run across old vets from my past game servers. Of the games Ive played EQ’s Tallon Zek race pvp sevre circa 98-99 and Shadowbane’s Death Server circa 2003 were some of the more unique special gaming experiences Ive ever had. Many of the players from those servers and games still talk about the uniqueness in a mmorpg world we created.

I would have to throw WHO Ostermark circa 2009 was a special place to play as well. Many of the current JQ original core came together there. Pheonix Throne as another great WHO community. JQ, for me and others, will also be a collective experience many of continue to share be it in TESO, Archeage, EQ II next, CU etc.

Thor.1756:

I’ve seen single JQ guilds do this multiple times, leaving a main force of 20-30 on one map, and sending 10 to organize pugs on another. I’ve yet to see Choo, TW, or any other SoR guild employ this kind of flexibility.

While I do agree that we need to work on small teams more, I will say this statement is just blatantly false in terms of our guild not employing this tactic. We actually have some commanders in our guild whose sole duty is to rally your definition of “pugs” that I shall refer to as Rallians since people get messed up on that term.

The commander will take as many non-Choo Rallians as he/she can and try to organize them to defend/take points of interest all the time. This allows the Choo group to be slightly more organized since we all know each other’s tactics, we know who is laying siege, etc., thus becoming more “flexible” as you would put it.

Making a blanket statement about the tactics of guilds on other servers is inherently risky considering you are not the ones running with them. You can only observe what they are doing with your limited interactions with them.

This goes for ALL servers in this respect. You just happen to be on the receiving end of this statement at the moment.

I apologize for lumping all of SoR into that claim, certainly just because I’ve never seen a choo or TW commander leading anything but a ton of other choo or TW + accompanied (PC Term) “militia,” doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen: anecdotal evidence is rarely relevant.

The point was that if SoR wants even fights, they needed to learn to split single guilds into multiple BL’s, to match their opponents movements, instead of just whining about their opponents not wanting to fight. They’ll get their fights, and they might actually get some PPT too.

Orikx.9671:

I dread the day they ever even think about putting something like this in. Keeping track of peoples k/d ratio does nothing but kill good fights. People are to worried about their ratio to ever fight a fight unless they know they are going to win.

Track total kills all you want but never track K/D ratios.

I agree completely!

Thor.1756:

The point was that if SoR wants even fights, they needed to learn to split single guilds into multiple BL’s, to match their opponents movements, instead of just whining about their opponents not wanting to fight. They’ll get their fights, and they might actually get some PPT too.

If SoR wants even fights, SoR has to recruit more peoples. Or breed with rabbits. Err, like rabbits.

Patronizing armchair general is a waste of time.

EasymodeX.4062:

If SoR wants even fights, SoR has to recruit more peoples. Or breed with rabbits. Err, like rabbits.

Patronizing armchair general is a waste of time.

I was waiting for this argument; This discussion was about how SoR should be behaving when they are seeking fights, which is NA primetime (since it’s been well established that they have 0 people on at any other time QQ for them, life’s so unfair, etc. etc.)

No server gets to t1 NA without queues on NA primetime, this argument is irrelevant to this particular discussion. If you lack numbers on primetime that’s a problem with your server’s tenacity, and you don’t belong here.

hex.3218:

Jahn.7019:

Wotah.2975:

I can’t believe people that play to attain the points to get to T1 and when they get there they say, “points don’t mean anything we’re here for the fights!”

It’s obvious you’re not a real pvper then. How many kills do you have on your character? I wager under 15k

I’m too lazy to look back… have you told us what guild you’re from?

Bah, that doesn’t matter. He’s still yearning for T2 matches. Let’s just see what we can do to get him back there.

Thor.1756:

I apologize for lumping all of SoR into that claim, certainly just because I’ve never seen a choo or TW commander leading anything but a ton of other choo or TW + accompanied (PC Term) “militia,” doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen: anecdotal evidence is rarely relevant.

The point was that if SoR wants even fights, they needed to learn to split single guilds into multiple BL’s, to match their opponents movements, instead of just whining about their opponents not wanting to fight. They’ll get their fights, and they might actually get some PPT too.

I’d rather use PuG’s, militia is demeaning.