Guild Wars 2

Israel.7056:

My completely honest opinion after playing for several weeks against SoR is that there are some skilled players, a few really skilled players and a lot of really really bad players. But that’s just my opinion.

Before anyone bashes this post, I just want to point out that this statement is accurate, but for ALL servers. Player skill is certainly bell-curved. It’s just a matter of statistics.

If you are highly skilled, the chances of you dueling people who are less skilled than you is almost a certainty. While the chance of dueling someone who is equal to or better than you is going to be very rare.

Absolutely right Xirin, I could’ve better qualified that statement.

I was merely trying to point out that SoR doesn’t appear to me to be home of only skilled players. There is good and bad on every server.

What a non-constructive topic this appears to be. I doubt that most of the people checking in for score updates care about which server can talk themselves up the most, or about Blackgate inviting people to transfer for whatever bizarre reason.

My opinion of T2 is there are some winners, some losers, and some people that don’t win or lose but fall in second place. The only thing seperating first and second place in this matchup are that the people in first place are more likely to have more points at the end, but the people in last place usually have the least. Second place always falls in between those two and I guarantee you that if the first place server was gone, second place would probably come in first place. As for third place, the only chance they ever have to be in first or second is to somehow get more points that first and second, which might happen, or might not, at least thats my opinion, mostly.

Liquid.9672:

Israel.7056:

What I think big SoR guilds like Pain Train and Tempest Wolves should consider is that all their NA primetime work could be put to much more productive use on a server that has the overnight coverage their current server lacks.

Transfer over and make Blackgate even stronger.

LOL! That will never happen. TW and Choo have no respect for and violently dislikes BG. According to the outspoken members that post on this forum anyways. To them, BG is just a big unskilled zerg that has to resort to cheating to win, and guilds that transfer to BG are just jumping on the zergwagon. Also, if BG ever sees T1 again, it will be because a T1 server flopped, not because BG was good enough to get there. Lots of hate over there in certain parts of SoRland.

You can’t account one persons input and make it the WHOLE input of the server/guilds that you list. We have respect for all our opponents and enjoy fighting on the battlefield. But to my knowledge will say that from what it seems Choo will not be moving anytime soon or ever! Then again I am just a member of the guild anyway.

Obviously we have “hatred” towards our enemies on the battlefield. Forums are forums and you will always have trolls or people looking for attention. I don’t really understand why people get so uptight and think it’s how the whole server acts.

Lalnuir.4957:

Hydrophidian.4319:

Lalnuir.4957:

Sooooooooo what % of TCers role play on team chat in WvW? I’m just curious

100%! We roleplay as WvW players. We got the lingo down and everything.

Funny. =P
I meant does anyone on your server role play as something else when in WvW? Like that tc commander who posts in pirate talk on this forum. Does he talk like that in team chat/vent/ts/whatever???

Yes TSP talks that way in /team…even their commanders when commanding. Good stuff…

Yes we have a quaggan guild (guild tag is BABY) and yes they go around as baby quaggans and rp as well as help defend towers/keeps and flip camps and sometimes they go to the center island in the BL maps afterall that’s where mamma is…

Yes I’ve seen a guild group of 10 drop and build an omega golem just for roleplaying with it…this happened in FA’s garrison after we took the entire map and then when FA decided to try and take back the northwest tower they and their golem helped to route FA all while rp’ing…

Yes that’s what TC does and why so many won’t go anywhere else – even the people who don’t RP…

Yes we have fun…

Yes we are in Tier 2 but no TC won’t stop doing things like I mentioned above…those things and many others are what makes TC…well TC…

…Ippolitt…

Jahn.7019:

Liquid.9672:

Jahn.7019:

BG has the coverage, but that’s all they have over SoR, why would they move there?

Since you were so kind as to state your opinion, care to comment on what SoR has over BG then?

Tight community, skilled player base, mature atmosphere, friendly and helpful people.

I mean ask yourself this, if SoR had the coverage that BG has, who would be #1? I think the answer is obvious to everyone.

You can build coverage, you can’t build the things listed above.

Of course you can build those things. Besides, no one on SOR is on BG (I hope) so how could you know how tight are community is?

Does SOR have a free 1000 man teamspeak all wvw guilds use? On many different channels. Cuz that would be a tight wvw community. (I dont know SoR community, Im not being sarcastic, but actually asking)

I wholeheartedly thank the TC forum warriors saints for successfully drowning out a lot of the hate in this thread with a good attitude and maturity. You guys are still my favorites.

JaredKincade.9761:

Jahn.7019:

Liquid.9672:

Jahn.7019:

BG has the coverage, but that’s all they have over SoR, why would they move there?

Since you were so kind as to state your opinion, care to comment on what SoR has over BG then?

Tight community, skilled player base, mature atmosphere, friendly and helpful people.

I mean ask yourself this, if SoR had the coverage that BG has, who would be #1? I think the answer is obvious to everyone.

You can build coverage, you can’t build the things listed above.

Of course you can build those things. Besides, no one on SOR is on BG (I hope) so how could you know how tight are community is?

Does SOR have a free 1000 man teamspeak all wvw guilds use? On many different channels. Cuz that would be a tight wvw community. (I dont know SoR community, Im not being sarcastic, but actually asking)

Yes. We have a server-wide teamspeak that is used for ANY and ALL guilds that wish to be apart of it. On the server of course :P

SoR BL feels so repetitive lately. Take GL, get trebbed, lose GL, take GL, get trebbed…

It’s still fun to farm badges as the flood of defenders comes at us though. >:D

Boulderbolg.3460:

Esoteric.5490:

Let’s not defame ND here. They made a move that best suited their guild. It is my understanding that they were very much unappreciated on SoR because of the assertion that the NA towed the line there. I personally don’t care what the conditions were on SoR prior to their move, I am just glad to have them. Our goal as a server is to win Tier 1. In order to get there, we have to take little steps along the way. If no one had the courage to put their faith in something and take the first step, there would be no change in WvW. ND and many other guilds have decided that Blackgate is where they want to be. They are a guild of their own and no server can claim ownership of them, it is up to them to choose what server they want to call home. So let’s cool it with the hate messages. When DA went to SoS, we said nothing negative to them, nor when DiE or Agg jumped ship to them either when we dropped from tier 1. Have some class. Please.

It is our gain and SoR’s loss if they flame ND. All of the GL’s on our old server Yaks Bend, told me that we are always welcome back if things don’t work out well on BG. And guess what, that would be the only server I would ever consider moving back to.

Don’t burn your bridges, people.

Was Yak’s Bend fighting BG for a month? No. Totally a different story and an irrelevant example.

SoR basically sees it as ND defecting to the enemy. which it was.

I cant speak for other timezones but when i play eu evenings with my guild u guys out number us around 3-1 sometimes and u still die most of the time, Especially TC u guys got crazy numbers but loads of sub 80s. I meen today we held SoR’s keep in eb for hours.

Ardon.4105:

I wholeheartedly thank the TC forum warriors saints for successfully drowning out a lot of the hate in this thread with a good attitude and maturity. You guys are still my favorites.

We learned a hard lesson when foruming vs FA. Most of TC posters now understand it’s better to bring the positive attitude we try to promote in /team to the boards. It’s more fun to play with friends even when they are your opponents.

Ben Mason.8641:

I cant speak for other timezones but when i play eu evenings with my guild u guys out number us around 3-1 sometimes and u still die most of the time, Especially TC u guys got crazy numbers but loads of sub 80s. I meen today we held SoR’s keep in eb for hours.

I tend to play on alts on Thursday/Friday, because I mean why not right? Unless the score is within 15k points the chances of positions changing within 24 hours is slim.

Ben Mason.8641:

I cant speak for other timezones but when i play eu evenings with my guild u guys out number us around 3-1 sometimes and u still die most of the time, Especially TC u guys got crazy numbers but loads of sub 80s. I meen today we held SoR’s keep in eb for hours.

EB has never been popular for SoR. Not really surprised xD

Great fights this week. Grats to Blackgate once again and SOR you guys are always a hell of a fight. Also super fun to see TC out here swinging at us both. Had some amazing fights and looking forward to seeing you guys this next week as well.

Pheras Bewler-KnT-BG

Ferris Bewler.9706:

Great fights this week. Grats to Blackgate once again and SOR you guys are always a hell of a fight. Also super fun to see TC out here swinging at us both. Had some amazing fights and looking forward to seeing you guys this next week as well.

Pheras Bewler-KnT-BG

I agree with you completely and say the same back!

Xirin.8593:

Cliques.3947:

Props to T.C.

It’s refreshing to see a server come into tier two that not only post in a mature manner but in a light hearted fashion knowing that this is what it is, a game. The pirate talking guy had me cracking up. Good show T.C. , glad you are up here.

Seconded. TC has been a breath of fresh air, both on the battlefield and on the forums.

In my opinion, they’re the real winners this week. Yeah, I know that sounds cheesy, but I don’t think many would dispute it.

*Grabs Cliques and Xirin and gives ‘em both a big, squishy, smelly Norn Hug. The Old Norn growls and laughs, a single tear streaming down his old, scarred cheeks as he says, "Yer Welcome, Buys n’ Garls. Nah. Lets Drink, EYE SEZ!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!!"

/salute

Being on BG I can empathize with SoR’s frustration about coverage disproportion. Playing against SBI prior to T1 and then later in T1, we certainly held our own if not led outright in NA primetime against them on a number of occasions, holding territory and a healthy point lead…. logon the next day and we are 20k points behind. Rinse and repeat. We could outplay, outcoordinate and take the fight to SBI repeatedly and they would simply soak up what we threw at them in prime time like a sponge and then magically extend their point lead overnight.

I would say SoR is in a stronger position now than we were back then with distinct advantages in numbers in NA prime time consistently, so I imagine its even more frustrating if you are watching the scoreboard, which is why none of us really should. I learned my lesson in the matches against SBI. You have to just focus on playing your game while you are on and have fun.

That being said, BG is a lot of fun right now as it actually provides the best of the both worlds : We get to play the underdog during prime time, with constant action, without queues, good group play and a lot of motivation to work against the numerous and determined opponents on SoR and the much respected folks on TC. I’ve been through everything on BG since launch and these last five weeks have been the best WvW for us during all that time imo.

Lastly, I think everyone should keep in mind how much coverage issue influences the
NA makeup of all of the servers in the first place. SBI, JQ and SoS would be radically different today as would all of the servers if Anet had launched with NA specific servers. How many NA guilds have flocked to one of those three servers simply because they had the coverage to compete in T1? Remove the zone coverage need and a lot of NA servers end up elsewhere, redrawing server strength and standings altogether. So claiming that one version of time zone coverage is somehow less valid than another given the current system is just kitten in the wind.

Oh and to everyone happy holidays, and hope you have a great New Year!

4/8 first place seeds will lose rating this week (the top 3 tiers first place seeds will all lose rating this week). 3 of the tiers that the first seed will actually gain rating were blowouts by those servers. Of those 3, 2 of the servers will be moving up 2 ranks (one of them into a new tier bracket and the other going from 3rd seed to 1st seed in its bracket). Interesting…

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

I think it’s pretty high praise to have your enemy say kind things about you. Thank you!

urzen.7096:

soren.6918:

You never know what kind of resistance you are gonna meet attacking a tower. You might meet 400 defenders and you might meet 3. Why wouldn’t you bring as many people and as much siege as you could?

I never understand this line of thinking and it always happens in the WvW threads. “You guys brought 400 people to take a tower, bunch of zerg noobs”. Why wouldn’t you bring that many people if you have them on the map?

Well they could just walked in and looked. That tower had no walls or defenders for about 10 mins before the golem showed up. I was starting to wonder. Maybe they were scared of my lone Charrdian.

“A Golem adds dignity, to what would otherwise be an ugly brawl”
;)

Israel.7056:

Azaruil.3406:

I absolutely love winning. In fact, I win every time that my small group or I, stomp BG and TC players. This type of win is directly linked to MY ability and I feel that I worked for that win. I am sure a lot of the guilds on SoR feel the same way. We prefer winning based on our own merit as opposed to “winning” based on who has more people that can smack gates while there is a lack of opposition.

So winning to you may be the point tally at the end of the week that shows that your server has more players around the clock that can capture and hold points. If that makes you happy then kudos to you. You have every right to enjoy that type of victory.

A lot of players on SoR however would not be content with that type of victory. I know that I wouldn’t.

What makes you think you can’t have both?

I don’t see why small group pvp is mutually exclusive with being on a winning server.

Ah, I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. You are correct in saying that small group pvp can be done on a winning server.

However I would not feel that my server was truly “winning” if it was due to time-zone coverage instead of player ability overcoming a challenge. I realize this type of thinking does not fully align with how WvWvW is set-up, but I do know that a lot of people such as myself will only be content by overcoming a challenge.

The idea of joining the winning team sounds quite boring to be honest. If one can sit out the entire match and know your team will win anyways, there isn’t much incentive. If your team is losing however, there is more incentive to keep pushing knowing that your actions can make a difference.

As I said, perhaps not a great mentality for the WvWvW set-up, but that is what makes the game fun for me.

Yarrrr mateys! Dis be a good week ’un fightin ’n brawlin we be havin.

It be best if ye be leavin yer hate ’wit ya when ye be loggin off and havin ’mer respect fer ye fellow man.

That be said, no matter if me crew be outnumbered, we be a pair ‘o salty dogs and be ready ’ta take ye booty no matta’ da cost.

Oh, and I be takin yer norn wenches too. I be havin a thing fer norn wenches.

Hydrophidian.4319:

Well, why don’t you come on over and find out! bats eyelashes

…We’ll make you a cake!

Warning!!
the cake is a lie
I turned up at a red tower last night hoping for cake and all i got was a zerg of gremlins

No no no there is no spoon. We have plenty of cake!

/nod.

I want ice cream cake!

Got the munchies pot?

Jayne.9251:

Got the munchies pot?

You know it! =)

Now wheres mah cake!

BGBL JUST BLEW UP? Oh the humanity!

Sunspots.9861:

BGBL JUST BLEW UP? Oh the humanity!

BGs worst timezone so it isn’t surprising.

No, i mean noone from TC can log into BGBL

Some people don’t seem to understand how “average” works and why it appears their server is better than another server.

As I said earlier, its not something unique to SOR. Many players on BG also feel they are on average better than SOR and that SOR is a large unskilled zerg.

The whole thing stems from the meaning of the term “average.”

When one is above average at performing a task what does that say regarding those that person encounters? The precise implication is that nearly all that person encounters are less skilled than him or her. This is why if someone is good at a game they will encounter hordes of people that seem unskilled.

Make no mistake though, the better players on your enemy’s team also experience the same phenomenon. The better players constantly encounter players who are not as good as they and are easy to defeat. Because they are good they view their enemy as being on the average much less skilled than they. And they too of course rarely run into a player that is as good as they if they are very skilled. That encounter obviously being a much rarer occurrence than an encounter with an unskilled player.

And still, by the very nature of the term “average” the players on each team are roughly equivalent. There are a few great players and a lot of average players and a few that are very poor.

If anyone thinks they are from a server of superhumans it is their perception that is in error. BG, SOR, TC, IOJ, and Fort Aspenwood are all roughly equivalent when it comes to the skill of their individual players.

Sunspots.9861:

No, i mean noone from TC can log into BGBL

I just logged on and tried to get into BG BL and couldn’t get in either. Gives me an error.

Yeah, looks like log-in server for BGBL is gone for now. Oh well, we had fun in there.

rhyein.6172:

Yeah, looks like log-in server for BGBL is gone for now. Oh well, we had fun in there.

The 2v1 was too much for the server to handle…you guys broke it! hehe j/k

if you think BG only wins due to coverage…. imagine what whining and gnashing of teeth would be heard on the forums if you were to beat t2 and move up to t1. last time i was in t1… they had competent 24/7 coverage on all maps.

if your server gets beaten in non NA timezones…. then you simply HAVE to dominate in NA prime. blackgate doesnt whine about not having NA coverage. we simply do our best to hold what we can during NA time.

If you cant fully dominate your best timezone…. you’re going to have a hard time.

Rambodacious.7495:

Hello BG,

This post discusses why you win and what would happen should the devs ever pull their heads out of their kitten Enjoy cold, hard reality:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Why-is-there-no-WvW-compromise-in-place/first#post1096178

I bolded the part of your post that made me LOL! Thanks for that gem of knowledge, and thanks for the cold hard reality check. 4 months in, we had no idea that what ultimately decides the score in WvW is numbers on the field across all time zones. There might be a reason why TA established 24/7 coverage PRE-LAUNCH. There might be a reason why a few on BG have tirelessly recruited guilds to round out coverage over the past many months. There was a time when BG had ZERO non-NA WvW participation. Now it’s stronger than our NA participation vs. our current opponents.

I’m curious though. What would happen? I’m guessing your stance is given equal numbers, SoR eats BG’s lunch? Would it shock you if I said it would be the other way around? Or how about something more reasonable, which is the score would stay very close with very little PPT variance the entire match. Just because the score difference is 20k doesn’t mean that given roughly equal numbers 24/7 SoR would hand BG its hat.

Sunspots.9861:

My opinion of T2 is there are some winners, some losers, and some people that don’t win or lose but fall in second place. The only thing seperating first and second place in this matchup are that the people in first place are more likely to have more points at the end, but the people in last place usually have the least. Second place always falls in between those two and I guarantee you that if the first place server was gone, second place would probably come in first place. As for third place, the only chance they ever have to be in first or second is to somehow get more points that first and second, which might happen, or might not, at least thats my opinion, mostly.

13 pages of the usual forum warriors bashing each other and this gentleman comes in and sums it up perfectly!

Also, @ Pirate Man, <3

cargan.5689:

Hydrophidian.4319:

Well, why don’t you come on over and find out! bats eyelashes

…We’ll make you a cake!

Warning!!
the cake is a lie
I turned up at a red tower last night hoping for cake and all i got was a zerg of gremlins

Well, see, the gremlins prefer to be collectively called Cake. We don’t argue with them.

Er uhm I mean— I have no idea what you’re talking about!

Don’t burn your bridges, people.

I thought the purpose of wvw was to destroy infrastructure for server gain.

Oh wait, we are supposed to destroy THEIR bridges, they aren’t supposed to destroy them for us. Super secret 2v1 plan needs rethinking.

I am going to make a simple point, try to get what I’m saying and not misunderstand.

This applies to all servers that have > coverage than their opponents, not just BG.

There is an assumption that when we win because we have more active players in WvW (coverage) it means that we do not deserve or earn it.

This is NOT true!

Everyone acts like numbers on BG is an accident. All guilds on BG have worked TIRELESSLY to actively recruit players into guilds across all timezones. We recruited from PvEers and WvW PuGs to fill all timeslots. You act as if its some sort of random draw. We EARNED the coverage we currently have, because we worked for it.

We did not start receiving server transfers until after three weeks of winning with said “coverage”. These guilds, while making us stronger and we appreciate that greatly, were not here the first three weeks we beat SoR and IoJ. They are a RESULT of beating SoR and IoJ, not a CAUSE. These transfers happened because there are guilds that recognize that BG plays the long game (timeslot recruitment) as well as the short game of continuing to make our existing guilds stronger, more numerous, better geared with better tactics.

Do not come into the forum, and act as if we do not deserve our wins because we outnumber our opponents. We have tirelessly recruited and trained in those timeslots. Its an insult to all server’s night crews when you downplay the importance of their timeslot, including your own.

The longer BG stays the color green, the more we will recruit and train. There will come a day when we switch to red. That day, we will see how we hang with the best servers in the game. Until then, SoR and now TC will continue to push us and make us keep one step ahead of you, and competition breeds excellence.

The BG guild alliance is in this for the long haul.

So, you win because theres no one fighting you much of the time?

Hydrophidian.4319:

cargan.5689:

Hydrophidian.4319:

Well, why don’t you come on over and find out! bats eyelashes

…We’ll make you a cake!

Warning!!
the cake is a lie
I turned up at a red tower last night hoping for cake and all i got was a zerg of gremlins

Well, see, the gremlins prefer to be collectively called Cake. We don’t argue with them.

Er uhm I mean— I have no idea what you’re talking about!

Ah so this is what you call cake over on TC it explains what was nibbling my kneecaps last night

Jahn.7019:

BG has the coverage, but that’s all they have over SoR, why would they move there?

Funny you guys are going with that story now, totally not going to bring up the fact that your NA outnumbers ours more than half the time so we’re labeled with ‘lack of skill’ and when we do hit our primetime’s you complain about coverage. Funny indeed.

There is no getting through to these guys on the forums.

Good fighting to all.

Great week so far for all!
TC, u definitely improved. Last time we met, you threw the towel and gave up on tuesday. This time you still fighting til it’s end with definitely much more zerglings you got than last time significantly. (Our people even named you Zombies, because you guys just wont give up and keep rising in numbers!)

SoR, well it’s all same o’l SoR QQ. Dont blame lack of Oceanic coverage. We all have weak coverage holes. In fact, actually in BG, most noticable oceanic guilds usually field 10(min)-20(max) ppl per guilds. That isnt much at all, there is no super big guilds in BG, im sure you are capable of handling us. For us, it used to be worse because IoJ’s king of Aussie usually kitten our castles during Pre Oceanic primetime thus we have more work to begin, now with no IoJ, it feel better

It’s Christmas/New Year anyway, the numbers now arent represent the real coverage. We’ll see the real deal after a week or two. (If we and you guys still have players left to play GW2 lol… kitten slow poke Anet)

Reset is upon us! However, here’s the Score and Map update for those who care:

Tajz.9826:

Great week so far for all!
TC, u definitely improved. Last time we met, you threw the towel and gave up on tuesday. This time you still fighting til it’s end with definitely much more zerglings you got than last time significantly. (Our people even named you Zombies, because you guys just wont give up and keep rising in t)

Lol your posts entertain me so much I insist you move servers to TC right now!