Guild Wars 2

Anyone who said this would be a dull week was so wrong.

Tonight has been the most intense night of the match-up since we’ve been grouped. I had a lot of fun battling [AoD], [SoCo], [NoQQ], and some others in EB tonight, fighting back and forth for ground. You never let us get Bravost, but kitten I at least gave you a run for your money. (P.S. I hate it when random pugs see [GROUP EVENT] KILL THE GRUB and lure it into our siege) I also want to give a special shout-out to a particularly resilient group of AoD (Charr commander buddy, looking at you) who made it tough for us to claim QL the most recent time we did. Your mesmer friend is quite the trickster, too!

IoJ, you guys are relentless. You laid siege to overlook for hours, and we defended as hard as we could. I lead the assault against you and pushed you back repeatedly, but eventually we just got drained of supply and couldn’t keep the walls and gates up. I have to give you mad props; I’m not even mad we lost that keep. At least we gave you a run for your money is what counts.

Anyway, this has been an absolute blast. If we move on to a higher tier come reset night, know that you guys put up a stupendous fight that the point score doesn’t do justice to.

Looking forward to more, and good luck to all.

jamesigall.5938:

and the guy that pulled 2 of us up against the door of durios with focus 4, rooted us and let us die to aoes, it was a pretty cool move.
Good times for all, see you out there.

I think that was me that did it! was happy it worked that was an intense battle on the bridge. kept going back and forth for hours

Rising Dusk.2408:

(P.S. I hate it when random pugs see [GROUP EVENT] KILL THE GRUB and lure it into our siege)

And this is why I hate being blue. It’s gotten to the point that I will loop around him to avoid losing half my zerg whenever I am commanding, lol.

Anyway, had some fun fighting last night once prime time kicked in and enough people got on from DR.

The charr commander would be Vars Wolf, one of AoD’s leaders with sir morningstar absent – always a pleasure to fight with him, he knows his stuff

EB was great for us too, lot of fun trying our hardest to hold our third of the map while SBI swept through our borderlands, managed to stabilize the situation in the last couple of hours. Hopefully we still have some stuff left come tomorrow.

Krash.9486:

Retrospek.4583:

My apologies if my comment earlier sounded like I didn’t believe it, the screenshot just wasn’t very clear, and not due to anyone’s fault who are posting here. I hate screenshots for that reason, as it’s easy to misunderstand what is going on, it has nothing to do with the subject matter at all. The second screenshot however, sums it up pretty well.

Yes, that is the correct guild name/tag, and Moozilla is the guild leader. He can often be found in Lion’s Arch recruiting. Seems to be a pretty cool guy the few times I’ve chatted with him in Lion’s Arch, and although they are mainly a PvE guild, they do PvP and WvW as well. Most are Karma trains, but there are a few in RED that are into WvW and are pretty good and competitive as well.

As others have pointed out, apologies from DR for this, and hopefully it will be dealt with abruptly and appropriately. I can’t stand hackers/exploiters, and hope that it’s dealt with.

Not sure if there is any point in posting it here. But these players were back tonight and I was frapping and have them speed hacking and flying.

We did report them as “botting” for what good that will do. If you can pass this on to their guild leader I am sure they would want to stop this before it hurts the guild anymore then it has.

Thanks!

I will pass along the info if I see him today.

Here are a couple of fights against [SBI].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4zydoKU1_E

These are the types of fights that I love, where you have downed people on both sides. Smaller scale fights mean that the choices you make have more impact. Things are more meaningful since the clutch moves you make or the mistakes you make (I point out a mistake I make in the second fight – a pretty bad one that almost costs us the fight) will have a direct impact on the outcome on the fight.

When I complain about zergs, people don’t understand that I’m not complaining because I die to them. I do, of course, die to zergs but we also kill zergs quite frequently. What I don’t like about them is that they are often boring and repetitive to fight.

They force us to run with 10-15 which is not really the playstyle I personally prefer. However, you need 10-15 people to give you a decent chance against 20-30.

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

Lebannen, I remember you said that we will go to T8…

I have admitted on numerous times, that I didnt think we would make the jump from being destroyed for weeks at a time to the position we currently hold. Was I wrong, yes I am. I admitted that a good bit.

Does that change anything about my previous post? not one bit.

Eh, I’m sure we’d do the same if we were in SBI’s position. IoJ’s worse anyways. We spend the time and effort to sneakily take SBI’s fortified Hills, only to have those backstabbers merrily run in after us when they could’ve had their own fortified keep to take on.

The fight for IOJ keep in EB last night was kitten fun. Waves of IOJ hitting us from the water gate and north gate was intense. Came a bit late to the first rush at the water gate and saw 25-30 IOJ burst through and it was only me and maybe two others facing the mighty zerg, lol. Was able to make it to the inner gate and wait for our siege and other to arrive to stop you midway up the ramp. From there we were able to push you all back out the water gate only to see another zerg of 20 at the north gate o.0. You all were relentless. Lub you IOJ guys for your tenacity against overwhelming numbers. Hope to see more of this during the week.

Would love to move up a tier, as the weekend has been pvd at times, even during prime time for NA. No offense to IOJ/DR but our numbers have increased so dramatically during this match up that its become a bit boring at times.

Seeing a majority of the map one color is never fun and I get tired of seeing people come into EB or our BL and saying ,“Where’s the Zerg?” Been running in smaller numbers with Cicc and others as this zerg mentality we have developed has gotten annoying. Half of those have no idea how to work in a zerg, as one big rolling mass of Aoe + heals or love to drop random siege in the most peculiar places. This is how you know the difference between fair weather and more experienced players in WvWvW. Repeatedly, we have have talks in map/team chat about siege placement and using supplies and if running in the zerg staying with your commander and yet the same guilds/players repeatedly don’t listen. They wont be around for when we move up, as they are here for karma/map completion/badge leaching.

PSA if running with a zerg → Blast finishers and mass invis, use them plz and try to stay near you’re commander. I also hear that flanking and portal bombs are super duper effective :p. So many times I, or commanders, have taken a group of five around the back of the DR zerg at Dane and wiped em. We have a lot to learn as a server and being in this tier is creating a lot of bad habits that would get us destroyed against same population servers. More then likely, if we move up we will be replacing CD and that would be more beneficial for both tiers.

Oh and RED guild in SBI BL’s last night, again you are just LOL. Any more info on this guild? They are just so blatant with the speed and jumping hacks.

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

Hey Lebannen, post man here, one of the UDL commanders for SBI.

We have not forgotten what it feels like to get curb stopped repeatedly for many many weeks. I’m still paying the repair bills from post-exodus after paid server transfers were announced.

That being said the score is not going to keep the guilds that enjoy WvW from doing so. If we move up a tier, then so be it. UDL and its allies are not going to let off just because the score is not favorable for the other servers.

IoJ and DR, we are not apologizing, but rather saluting both of you for some very solid fights over the past few weeks. The fights in IoJ BL at Bay last night were pretty awesome!

o7

Oozo.7856:

Here are a couple of fights against [SBI].

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4zydoKU1_E

These are the types of fights that I love, where you have downed people on both sides. Smaller scale fights mean that the choices you make have more impact. Things are more meaningful since the clutch moves you make or the mistakes you make (I point out a mistake I make in the second fight – a pretty bad one that almost costs us the fight) will have a direct impact on the outcome on the fight.

When I complain about zergs, people don’t understand that I’m not complaining because I die to them. I do, of course, die to zergs but we also kill zergs quite frequently. What I don’t like about them is that they are often boring and repetitive to fight.

They force us to run with 10-15 which is not really the playstyle I personally prefer. However, you need 10-15 people to give you a decent chance against 20-30.

LOL..yeah pretty sure that is my little Asura ele you had targeted a few times. (edit: yeah that was me the Asura ele with the floppy black ears you had targeted when you went down) And you met the pink afro mesmer army of Jic and his crew too..lol. I also have some fraps of some fights that night, I will try to edit and post them. We were in the field fighting pretty much the whole night with the most 10-15 or smaller up to…maybe 20 at one point. These are the kind of fights I find the most fun too!

At one point we held the rock in front of SW tower in IoJ BL for a very long time vs much higher numbers. Too bad the rock don’t give any points..lol…gave some bags…but most of all lots of fun! =)

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

We do have everything in the mornings.. I was worried the first morning I saw this, however, by evening it is split fairly evenly. I would say if anything it gives the other teams lots to take over in the afternoon.. that is what I see these past few days anyway.

I got on this morning to drink coffee all green, back from school, red has their bl back and there are multiple colors all around.

So I would not see it as a bad thing. They get to get it back and get karma, xp, loot all that stuff in taking it back.

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

It is never fun for me to be on either side of a blow out. That said, with the current system this will ALWAYS happen. You can not control all players. When the maps start turning green and the other servers give up for the night or just go to bed players who are looking for map completion or just want to flip stuff for points are going to do it. On ALL servers no matter the history.

I stop having fun when it becomes PvDoor and log off or go …uugh…PvE =(…myself. But if others enjoy it I have no problem with them…it is in the game as it is atm.

The one thing that does kinda bother me is spawn camping….why kick a server when they are down?…….I have seen both sides of that too.. =/

jazzllanna.1278:

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

We do have everything in the mornings.. I was worried the first morning I saw this, however, by evening it is split fairly evenly. I would say if anything it gives the other teams lots to take over in the afternoon.. that is what I see these past few days anyway.

I got on this morning to drink coffee all green, back from school, red has their bl back and there are multiple colors all around.

So I would not see it as a bad thing. They get to get it back and get karma, xp, loot all that stuff in taking it back.

I think you are right. But I can see how it can be frustrating, For example. We had all of our BL keeps t3 last night and very few of us defending. A Btsy (is that right?) and NoQQ group took SW camp set up trebs and started hitting bay. There were maybe 4-5 of us on map total. Some focus 4 limited the damage and the fortified walls held up very well and gave time to call in reinforcements that then wiped the camp.

Now that is exactly what we should do…but I could not help but feel the frustration from the other servers not having the coverage to keep their stuff upgraded to do the same. Always having to start from scratch everyday.

Well, until Anet restructures WvW points system in some way it will continue to be this way. Middle to end of the week blow outs will keep happening too as the fair weather stop playing when the score is to lopsided to come back from.

And you would think the brackets would eventually balance themselves. But once again with most matches determined way before the end of the week players stop playing and the scores don’t really reflect true server strength IMO. Oh well =/

I would have to say this does look like a blowout for SBI and this could be what SBI needs to revive their player base after the curb stomping they received for three weeks before landing in the T5 sector. Right now I think all three servers where well matched but SBI has grown and needs to leave the T5 nest and take flight to higher tiers.

As for IoJ, some people are taking a break and recharging there WvW batteries and Gold coffers. So like me are working on guild missions to get in on the new gear/guild buff stuff. After we lost a lot of our good WvW guilds, the people they left behind made a vow to fight on and as hard as we can, what ever the odds. Just know that we are some what burnt out for long nights and long fights.

Just wish some of the small groups and guilds that fight for IoJ would join us on our Team Speak server so that we can be more effective then watching them get stomped into little badges by DR and SBI.

I am glad to hear UDL will be around, as will KIWI, KT, CD, LX and of course SBI. All are solid guilds that I always see on wvw no matter the tier/score. Also, I would like all of us on SBI to stay away from spawn camping IOJ or DR. We have had it done to us repeatedly by former SBI who transferred to SOR and by YB in tier 4 and we all know how it crappy it feels.

In all honestly, would be great for us to break up our zerg into smaller parties and learn more about smaller scale combat. It really helps to learn how your class can complement others you are running with and gain a better understanding of group combat. There should be no concern about points this week and there is always something to learn if you get stomped by other smaller roaming groups or through victory.

One thing that DR and IOJ will have to understand is that for us to move up a tier we will have to keep the pressure on and our day crew will continue to pvdoor and please try not to take offense to this.

Gravy.7589:

I am glad to hear UDL will be around, as will KIWI, KT, CD, LX and of course SBI. All are solid guilds that I always see on wvw no matter the tier/score. Also, I would like all of us on SBI to stay away from spawn camping IOJ or DR. We have had it done to us repeatedly by former SBI who transferred to SOR and by YB in tier 4 and we all know how it crappy it feels.

In all honestly, would be great for us to break up our zerg into smaller parties and learn more about smaller scale combat. It really helps to learn how your class can complement others you are running with and gain a better understanding of group combat. There should be no concern about points this week and there is always something to learn if you get stomped by other smaller roaming groups or through victory.

One thing that DR and IOJ will have to understand is that for us to move up a tier we will have to keep the pressure on and our day crew will continue to pvdoor and please try not to take offense to this.

None taken from me, just wish it would be less PvDor and more PvWall, or better yet you can knock politely and we might, just might, let you have the keep. Just know IoJ Garrison is off limits since it’s there where we conduct out top secret Asura ball matches.

Also I am not the leader for the whole IoJ community and I do not have the authority(Or I know anyone that does) to tell people to give up all there keeps/towers/camps to SBI/DR to be move up or down. Don’t let anyone tell you SBI you lack skill for PvD’ing but maybe you can set up a camp of flame ram walls and arrow carts with ballista at the center of the Krait lake. Or maybe SBI can take turns in WvW night and not just stack the pain train.

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

We have done the same thing moving up from T8; it’s a problem that fixes itself because eventually, you have nothing left to take and nobody left to fight. Besides, I’d rather be on the side that has stuff to take and people to fight, if we choose; it’s always better to be the other 2 servers when the score gets like this.

Ok, time to straighten a few things out.

[RED] is one of the oldest and largest guilds on DR. It is a guild of over 400 active players. We do have a strict rule against cheating of any kind for any reason. If you see any of our players using any kind of hacks, please report them and get the account name to us so we can kick them from the guild. When you have a large guild like ours, sometimes you have a few bad apples.

We do run xp/karma trains from time to time. We also have very active PvE, PvP, and WvW core groups. You will mostly see our true WvW action on Friday nights (We run xp trains to get levels on alts and new players more often lately, since this isn’t a very close match-up)

Also, the guy that got in the tower “Way before the gate was down”, I was commanding that group, when he lagged out and ended up stuck in the top of the gate. It wouldn’t let him jump down, and when he tried to dodge roll, he ended up on the inside just seconds before the gate went down. It had no effect on the tower being taken by our group after rezzing him on the inside.

Vexiq
[RED]

There’s no way to see the names of enemy players in WvW. All we can see is guild tags and guild names when you target them. If you right click on them, there is only the report option.

As Vexiq stated we do not tolerate any cheating of any kind. If we find out whoever is behind this we will terminate their membership with the guild and they will be reported as hacking. This has been brought to our attention that a few were doing such a thing and they were dealt with in this manner. I would like to extend our apologies for these incidents and I will personally handle it.

Regards,
Illusionary Ally, Co-Leader of [RED]

So much fun in SBI today during the day. We had some great fights!! We were trying to farm ya some in the SE tower SBI but unfortunately some of realmmates really wanted the tower and closed the doors on ya We did have some great open fields including the ones we lost!! SoCo had a blast!

GamerToukotsu.4219:

As Vexiq stated we do not tolerate any cheating of any kind. If we find out whoever is behind this we will terminate their membership with the guild and they will be reported as hacking. This has been brought to our attention that a few were doing such a thing and they were dealt with in this manner. I would like to extend our apologies for these incidents and I will personally handle it.

Regards,
Illusionary Ally, Co-Leader of [RED]

Thank you. I don’t think anyone expects any guild or server to be able to control the actions of all it’s members. These guys were pretty blatant and were doing this in front of many SBI and RED players just south of the SW tower on the road to your spawn point. I am sure other RED players had to have seen it too. So finding them should just be a matter of asking around.

I understand now why some of the sub 80 RED grps we encountered were very squishy. If they were PvEers looking for xp in WvW their gear and level would have been the reason.

I meant no disrespect towards RED in general when I said they were not a WvW grp and melted like butter.

I apologize if it was taken that way.

Krash.9486:

jazzllanna.1278:

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

We do have everything in the mornings.. I was worried the first morning I saw this, however, by evening it is split fairly evenly. I would say if anything it gives the other teams lots to take over in the afternoon.. that is what I see these past few days anyway.

I got on this morning to drink coffee all green, back from school, red has their bl back and there are multiple colors all around.

So I would not see it as a bad thing. They get to get it back and get karma, xp, loot all that stuff in taking it back.

I think you are right. But I can see how it can be frustrating, For example. We had all of our BL keeps t3 last night and very few of us defending. A Btsy (is that right?) and NoQQ group took SW camp set up trebs and started hitting bay. There were maybe 4-5 of us on map total. Some focus 4 limited the damage and the fortified walls held up very well and gave time to call in reinforcements that then wiped the camp.

Now that is exactly what we should do…but I could not help but feel the frustration from the other servers not having the coverage to keep their stuff upgraded to do the same. Always having to start from scratch everyday.

Well, until Anet restructures WvW points system in some way it will continue to be this way. Middle to end of the week blow outs will keep happening too as the fair weather stop playing when the score is to lopsided to come back from.

And you would think the brackets would eventually balance themselves. But once again with most matches determined way before the end of the week players stop playing and the scores don’t really reflect true server strength IMO. Oh well =/

There were about 9 of us [BSty] and [NoQQ] roaming around. Upon wipin your Zerg a few times things got kind of quiet so we decided to hit the hornets nest! Built that one Treb and a couple of balistas in the camp not for the intention of taking bay, but to draw you guys back to your map! Sure enough, you call reinforcements. It was kind of silly how 40+ showed up to kill 9 of us! But kudos for you guys, for replying to the SOS call of a small roaming group! Talk about calling for back up!

Welp it only took 2 and half hours to get Dark Distributions and company out of the EB jumping puzzle tonight…

Didn’t last long, as our first attempt finished them off.

Well you see sir we were only down there for 2 hours or so after completing the puzzle :P Was getting kinda bored actually.

Too bad we didn’t show up earlier. It was pretty easy to kill you guys. 1st attempt, and you all dropped. But congrats on not holding EB. :P

Haha good fights either way mate!

Bpro.8792:

Krash.9486:

jazzllanna.1278:

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

We do have everything in the mornings.. I was worried the first morning I saw this, however, by evening it is split fairly evenly. I would say if anything it gives the other teams lots to take over in the afternoon.. that is what I see these past few days anyway.

I got on this morning to drink coffee all green, back from school, red has their bl back and there are multiple colors all around.

So I would not see it as a bad thing. They get to get it back and get karma, xp, loot all that stuff in taking it back.

I think you are right. But I can see how it can be frustrating, For example. We had all of our BL keeps t3 last night and very few of us defending. A Btsy (is that right?) and NoQQ group took SW camp set up trebs and started hitting bay. There were maybe 4-5 of us on map total. Some focus 4 limited the damage and the fortified walls held up very well and gave time to call in reinforcements that then wiped the camp.

Now that is exactly what we should do…but I could not help but feel the frustration from the other servers not having the coverage to keep their stuff upgraded to do the same. Always having to start from scratch everyday.

Well, until Anet restructures WvW points system in some way it will continue to be this way. Middle to end of the week blow outs will keep happening too as the fair weather stop playing when the score is to lopsided to come back from.

And you would think the brackets would eventually balance themselves. But once again with most matches determined way before the end of the week players stop playing and the scores don’t really reflect true server strength IMO. Oh well =/

There were about 9 of us [BSty] and [NoQQ] roaming around. Upon wipin your Zerg a few times things got kind of quiet so we decided to hit the hornets nest! Built that one Treb and a couple of balistas in the camp not for the intention of taking bay, but to draw you guys back to your map! Sure enough, you call reinforcements. It was kind of silly how 40+ showed up to kill 9 of us! But kudos for you guys, for replying to the SOS call of a small roaming group! Talk about calling for back up!

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

Bpro.8792:

Krash.9486:

jazzllanna.1278:

Lebannen.8325:

I want to apologize to IOJ and DR for SBI running the table and getting everything. Apparently the server has forgotten what the feels like, I sincerely hope we get bumped up somehow 2 or 3 tiers and zerged 24-7 for about 3 weeks. Maybe that will weed out more fair weather players and cause the server to realize it isn’t smart to stack 500+ points for 3 weeks straight.

We do have everything in the mornings.. I was worried the first morning I saw this, however, by evening it is split fairly evenly. I would say if anything it gives the other teams lots to take over in the afternoon.. that is what I see these past few days anyway.

I got on this morning to drink coffee all green, back from school, red has their bl back and there are multiple colors all around.

So I would not see it as a bad thing. They get to get it back and get karma, xp, loot all that stuff in taking it back.

I think you are right. But I can see how it can be frustrating, For example. We had all of our BL keeps t3 last night and very few of us defending. A Btsy (is that right?) and NoQQ group took SW camp set up trebs and started hitting bay. There were maybe 4-5 of us on map total. Some focus 4 limited the damage and the fortified walls held up very well and gave time to call in reinforcements that then wiped the camp.

Now that is exactly what we should do…but I could not help but feel the frustration from the other servers not having the coverage to keep their stuff upgraded to do the same. Always having to start from scratch everyday.

Well, until Anet restructures WvW points system in some way it will continue to be this way. Middle to end of the week blow outs will keep happening too as the fair weather stop playing when the score is to lopsided to come back from.

And you would think the brackets would eventually balance themselves. But once again with most matches determined way before the end of the week players stop playing and the scores don’t really reflect true server strength IMO. Oh well =/

There were about 9 of us [BSty] and [NoQQ] roaming around. Upon wipin your Zerg a few times things got kind of quiet so we decided to hit the hornets nest! Built that one Treb and a couple of balistas in the camp not for the intention of taking bay, but to draw you guys back to your map! Sure enough, you call reinforcements. It was kind of silly how 40+ showed up to kill 9 of us! But kudos for you guys, for replying to the SOS call of a small roaming group! Talk about calling for back up!

They came there because they heard the beast crank king was there, trying to get gold for the hit IoJ and SBI have on you!

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

You should have seen yesterday at Bluebriar. 10 of us trapped inside the tower after SBI closed the gate behind us vs ~20 SBI.

We were badly outnumbered and forced to fight at the bottom of the tower while the SBI zerg sat near Lord’s room with 2-3 arrow carts, constantly AoEing the only way for us to get up there.

It only took us about 5min to wipe you guys and cap the tower. It was an insanely epic battle though and probably the most fun I have had in WvW for a looong time. I was about to make a post thanking whoever from SBI participated, but now that I saw your arrogant post I decided against it.

Oozo.7856:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

You honestly don’t think SBI has walked in those shoes x20 already? Try being in T1 with less than the numbers we have now…and T2,T3,T4—-

Been there, done that!

And I wasn’t complaining about the attack. I have said over and over that it is not fun when we own everything and I prefer the small battles too.

It was the poster that I was replying to who making claims that once again paint SBI as a lot of no skill zergers. I was hoping we were past that crap.

That same grp 9v1 me (and I did not go down very fast)….why would they take advantage of their numbers that way I wonder?

BTW…if it were even 20 total that showed eventually I would be surprised. And it was no where near that many that engaged and took out the grp and the siege before the rest trickled in.

AD, BSTY, NoQQ are honestly the only guilds on DR that are kitten hard to face and they always run together. No disrespect to any other DR guilds but that bunch is just so noticeably better then the rest of you. They run lots of tanky/hammer/stun builds that are backed up by some nasty burst thieves and they do it well. Giving them props for their level of play is justified.

Though we did wipe you a few times last night with pretty equal numbers and you most definitely were running with more then ten people in SBI BL last night. The mass invis bomb you laid on our group last night in the corn field had far more then 10 people and was nasty, lol. I lagged out so bad from the culling that I was dead before before any skills went off :/

I want to thank the DR Warrior that was poking around SBI BL north camp yesterday evening for the duel. It’s the first 1v1 I’ve won. I was on a female human mesmer with scepter/focus and greatsword (doing most of my fighting with the latter.) It was a close call on both sides several times, but I finally managed to down you and then out last your Vengeance until you were defeated. PvP is not my forte, but I’m glad we were able to fight, and I salute you for the fun duel.

Oozo.7856:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

Sorry, my fault. I should have stated more clearly, that we were roaming around attacking small zerg sizes of 20 ish players. It honestly, seemed like a 40+ zerg, we were backed up on the hill between the houses with 2 balistas as a final stand, even seeing all those downed players, more just kept charging in! Maybe 40 may have been an over exaggeration, but with culling, it’s very hard to tell apart 30-40.

I was trying to point out that our intention was NOT to take bay and that you guys called in some heavy reinforcements! Didn’t realize you (Krash.9486) would take it the wrong way and get so offended over it.

Gravy.7589:

AD, BSTY, NoQQ are honestly the only guilds on DR that are kitten hard to face and they always run together. No disrespect to any other DR guilds but that bunch is just so noticeably better then the rest of you. They run lots of tanky/hammer/stun builds that are backed up by some nasty burst thieves and they do it well. Giving them props for their level of play is justified.

Though we did wipe you a few times last night with pretty equal numbers and you most definitely were running with more then ten people in SBI BL last night. The mass invis bomb you laid on our group last night in the corn field had far more then 10 people and was nasty, lol. I lagged out so bad from the culling that I was dead before before any skills went off :/

I went to bed after a while (living in Europe) so I didn’t partake in every fight that evening. The fights I did participate in were very nice though, props to you guys for that. At that first clash in ruins you almost broke us. We were in full retreat mode towards the stairs but then some of your guys overextended (sensing victory perhaps) which allowed us to get a few cheap rallies and turn the fight around.

I know BSty was running around in a separate group for most of the time I was online, but the two groups might have linked up later, creating a bigger force.

Anyway, again, thanks for last night. As I said it was definitely the most fun I had in WvW during this match up.

Haha I think, Krash.9486, he just wanna get aggro. He needs attention…
Here you go, take mine.

Bpro.8792:

Oozo.7856:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

Sorry, my fault. I should have stated more clearly, that we were roaming around attacking small zerg sizes of 20 ish players. It honestly, seemed like a 40+ zerg, we were backed up on the hill between the houses with 2 balistas as a final stand, even seeing all those downed players, more just kept charging in! Maybe 40 may have been an over exaggeration, but with culling, it’s very hard to tell apart 30-40.

I was trying to point out that our intention was NOT to take bay and that you guys called in some heavy reinforcements! Didn’t realize you (Krash.9486) would take it the wrong way and get so offended over it.

Yeah, it’s really hard to tell how many are there when it goes over 20-25 with the culling. Sometimes you just have to judge by the pressure and damage you are taking. When you throw clones and pets in there your perception can really get screwed. A lot of this guesswork goes away when culling is removed.

TigerDragon.4037:

I want to thank the DR Warrior that was poking around SBI BL north camp yesterday evening for the duel. It’s the first 1v1 I’ve won. I was on a female human mesmer with scepter/focus and greatsword (doing most of my fighting with the latter.) It was a close call on both sides several times, but I finally managed to down you and then out last your Vengeance until you were defeated. PvP is not my forte, but I’m glad we were able to fight, and I salute you for the fun duel.

It was probably Madra. He’s pretty bad.

Oozo.7856:

TigerDragon.4037:

I want to thank the DR Warrior that was poking around SBI BL north camp yesterday evening for the duel. It’s the first 1v1 I’ve won. I was on a female human mesmer with scepter/focus and greatsword (doing most of my fighting with the latter.) It was a close call on both sides several times, but I finally managed to down you and then out last your Vengeance until you were defeated. PvP is not my forte, but I’m glad we were able to fight, and I salute you for the fun duel.

It was probably Madra. He’s pretty bad.

Pray Madra. o?o

Don’t tell Madra I said that. Hell hath no fury like a Madra scorned.

Witness…

Krash.9486:

Oozo.7856:

Krash.9486:

I understand , it is the internet, and thinking you could have a mature intelligent and honest exchange about the state of the game and it’s current scoring flaws without some 12 year old troll showing up spouting nonsensical trash talk is just hoping for too much.

Why didn’t your 9 man super group just wipe that zerg like you had been doing all night then? 40+ LOL not even close.. XD

They were probably wiping 20 mans, but then succumbed to 30+. That happens quite frequently on our side of the fight. Especially now that we’ve lost all of our fairweather players while you have gained a lot of your fairweather players.

This reduces the number of “hotspots” which increases your numbers since people are obviously going to go to places where there is a fight. You really have no idea what we are dealing with unless you walk in our shoes. You should probably be thanking us for coming out to fight regardless of the score or the culling and numbers disadvantage we face at times.

We can handle twice our numbers quite well, three times our numbers gets pretty kitten rough.

You honestly don’t think SBI has walked in those shoes x20 already? Try being in T1 with less than the numbers we have now…and T2,T3,T4—-

Been there, done that!

I know you’ve been there. But, I was talking about what was going on specifically in this match. I don’t know what it is like for IoJ. I don’t know what it is like for SBI. You don’t know what it is like for us in this match up.

BTW, I was on Dragonbrand in T2 when it suffered it’s own mass exodus.

Oozo.7856:

Yeah, it’s really hard to tell how many are there when it goes over 20-25 with the culling. Sometimes you just have to judge by the pressure and damage you are taking. When you throw clones and pets in there your perception can really get screwed. A lot of this guesswork goes away when culling is removed.

It’ll be pretty interesting once this is removed and will be a rude awakening for some, when they realize they are purely being out played, not out numbered.

Shall we arrange a fight club again this week? I enjoyed the one last week (despite showing up fairly late for it).

Gravy.7589:

AD, BSTY, NoQQ are honestly the only guilds on DR that are kitten hard to face and they always run together. No disrespect to any other DR guilds but that bunch is just so noticeably better then the rest of you. They run lots of tanky/hammer/stun builds that are backed up by some nasty burst thieves and they do it well. Giving them props for their level of play is justified.

Well, the guys from AD/BSTY/NoQQ who run together indeed make up a terrific roaming group, and the rest of us on DR value their presence highly. They perform a great function and they’re like cavalry when they show up when we’re engaged doing something else.

Note the “something else” part of that last comment, though. AD/BSTY/NoQQ purposely structure themselves to comprise an effective, self contained fighting force. Most of the rest of us are focused on doing different things … like setting up siege for an attack, operating siege for defense, running supplies for repair or to replace siege, capping one of the ogre/frog/etc camps, etc/etc/etc. Those different things often involve sending a couple of players off on their own, and they often get joined by one or two randoms for a brief period. A small group that is doing something on one side of the map may request a couple of players from a different group somewhere else on the map for temporary help. The result is that there are LOTS of times where you may encounter a group of DR players from other guilds who simply were not set up to be a strong open field combat team … even those some of those players may have been individually capable of it. For example, there is almost no focus on complementary player classes in the majority of the non-roaming groups you will come across on the map, and of course the close knit teamwork is unlikely to be there either simply due to the circumstances of the activity focus.

By the way, a few times last night we came across a small group of KoS from SBI that were an awesome fighting force. They knew their stuff and played great together. They weren’t unkillable but it always took greater numbers for us to do so.

In my opinion, it is not possible to identify which play style … the AD/BSTY/NoQQ and KoS harassing type of elite roaming groups or the players performing the less glamorous functions in a more scattered manner … contributes more to the server point scores. Anybody not wasting their time on the grub is helping in one way or another, and sometimes the contribution they make isn’t even recognizable until much later in the match.