Guild Wars 2

Rising Dusk.2408:

Oozo.7856:

I’m guessing you aren’t the Charr warrior commander from [VZ] that was in IoJ BL last night.

I am; why do you ask?

I’m assuming there’s a thinly veiled insult in the making

Maladon.5760:

I’m assuming there’s a thinly veiled insult in the making

I don’t want to make assumptions.

Also, is fight club over? I literally just got off of work and showed up at the windmill and only some SBI were there.

I love everyone stating the obvious…of course we got your map by PvDooring lol, we only had 10 people…
Started on the map with 3 and more trickled in as we took hills and bay (With 1 omega and 3 mesmers TIMEWARP BABY) then got a second omega up for garrison, woodhaven and that other tower…its funny that there was no resistance until we got to your last tower, didnt expect the response to be that slow DR, but if by taking your map i have secured our spot in T5 for the next week, its safe to say ive done my job (i clearly havent because we’re still going to drop)

Youre crazy if you think i was going to try and push out in EB when it was clear SBI were pushing hard there, how many times have DR pushed on our borderlands whilst we get wiped by SBI in Eternal?

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I love everyone stating the obvious…of course we got your map by PvDooring lol, we only had 10 people…
Started on the map with 3 and more trickled in as we took hills and bay (With 1 omega and 3 mesmers TIMEWARP BABY) then got a second omega up for garrison, woodhaven and that other tower…its funny that there was no resistance until we got to your last tower, didnt expect the response to be that slow DR, but if by taking your map i have secured our spot in T5 for the next week, its safe to say ive done my job (i clearly havent because we’re still going to drop)

Youre crazy if you think i was going to try and push out in EB when it was clear SBI were pushing hard there, how many times have DR pushed on our borderlands whilst we get wiped by SBI in Eternal?

Response time is low? Try population at 6am honey.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Maladon.5760:

I’m assuming there’s a thinly veiled insult in the making

I don’t want to make assumptions.

Also, is fight club over? I literally just got off of work and showed up at the windmill and only some SBI were there.

Yep, not many showed up from SBI or IoJ. Figured half of your server wanted a chance at killing me but nope

Bah, just missed it then. I could’ve dragged my guild out, too. Oh well, hope you all had fun.

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I love everyone stating the obvious…of course we got your map by PvDooring lol, we only had 10 people…
Started on the map with 3 and more trickled in as we took hills and bay (With 1 omega and 3 mesmers TIMEWARP BABY) then got a second omega up for garrison, woodhaven and that other tower…its funny that there was no resistance until we got to your last tower, didnt expect the response to be that slow DR, but if by taking your map i have secured our spot in T5 for the next week, its safe to say ive done my job (i clearly havent because we’re still going to drop)

Youre crazy if you think i was going to try and push out in EB when it was clear SBI were pushing hard there, how many times have DR pushed on our borderlands whilst we get wiped by SBI in Eternal?

Response time is low? Try population at 6am honey.

You guys had about 8? people in your last tower building siege which killed our golems
But before then, saw maybe 1 or 2 DR in Hills and 1 ele in the garrison.
Now over on IoJ when SBI stormed our keep with 30-40 people and we only had 4 or so on the map, call out in lions arch/to other commanders, easily tripled our numbers in minutes. Cant be saying you only had those 8 people on your server at that time,

Maladon.5760:

If players want balance they have to create it themselves through teaming up with other servers to take down the largest force on the map(s). Arenanet gave us the perfect method of dealing with zergs and imbalance, all we have to do is use it.

Actually, they didn’t. Aside from collaborating on which targets for each server to attack, there isn’t much that can be done, and even then it’s next to impossible to coordinate such things around the clock. No way, for example, that DR and IoJ could team up on the same battlefield to counter an SBI zerg as you suggest … AoE’s don’t honor agreements. If ANet had actually WANTED to do something like that, they should have given us the ability to mark the players from an opposing server green instead of red.

Well, when you first got there you would have fought our group of 7 with a couple of PUGs in the open field at ruins with at least 12. Just kind of strange getting referred to as part of a large force in that situation. You are referring to something else I guess.

Maladon.5760:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Oozo.7856:

I’m guessing you aren’t the Charr warrior commander from [VZ] that was in IoJ BL last night.

I am; why do you ask?

I’m assuming there’s a thinly veiled insult in the making

Cactus.2710:

Maladon.5760:

If players want balance they have to create it themselves through teaming up with other servers to take down the largest force on the map(s). Arenanet gave us the perfect method of dealing with zergs and imbalance, all we have to do is use it.

Actually, they didn’t. Aside from collaborating on which targets for each server to attack, there isn’t much that can be done, and even then it’s next to impossible to coordinate such things around the clock. No way, for example, that DR and IoJ could team up on the same battlefield to counter an SBI zerg as you suggest … AoE’s don’t honor agreements.

It was being done way back in DAOC under the exact same circumstances over a decade ago. The fact that this generation of gamers can’t seem to pull it off doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

The reason you can’t just “turn them green” is because they don’t want you to get too comfortable with your temporary allies. You’re still supposed to be accountable for your actions (i.e. pay attention to what your AoEing) and putting the alliance at risk with poor gameplay is part of that accountability.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Bah, just missed it then. I could’ve dragged my guild out, too. Oh well, hope you all had fun.

If you want to I can go back there and see who I can drag along.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I love everyone stating the obvious…of course we got your map by PvDooring lol, we only had 10 people…
Started on the map with 3 and more trickled in as we took hills and bay (With 1 omega and 3 mesmers TIMEWARP BABY) then got a second omega up for garrison, woodhaven and that other tower…its funny that there was no resistance until we got to your last tower, didnt expect the response to be that slow DR, but if by taking your map i have secured our spot in T5 for the next week, its safe to say ive done my job (i clearly havent because we’re still going to drop)

Youre crazy if you think i was going to try and push out in EB when it was clear SBI were pushing hard there, how many times have DR pushed on our borderlands whilst we get wiped by SBI in Eternal?

Response time is low? Try population at 6am honey.

You guys had about 8? people in your last tower building siege which killed our golems
But before then, saw maybe 1 or 2 DR in Hills and 1 ele in the garrison.
Now over on IoJ when SBI stormed our keep with 30-40 people and we only had 4 or so on the map, call out in lions arch/to other commanders, easily tripled our numbers in minutes. Cant be saying you only had those 8 people on your server at that time,

Other… Commanders? Yeah, no. Those 8 people were probably the only ones in all of WvW at that time. And tripling our numbers? It’s still 5-6am in the morning.

Oh and btw, much love IoJ.

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I love everyone stating the obvious…of course we got your map by PvDooring lol, we only had 10 people…
Started on the map with 3 and more trickled in as we took hills and bay (With 1 omega and 3 mesmers TIMEWARP BABY) then got a second omega up for garrison, woodhaven and that other tower…its funny that there was no resistance until we got to your last tower, didnt expect the response to be that slow DR, but if by taking your map i have secured our spot in T5 for the next week, its safe to say ive done my job (i clearly havent because we’re still going to drop)

Youre crazy if you think i was going to try and push out in EB when it was clear SBI were pushing hard there, how many times have DR pushed on our borderlands whilst we get wiped by SBI in Eternal?

Response time is low? Try population at 6am honey.

You guys had about 8? people in your last tower building siege which killed our golems
But before then, saw maybe 1 or 2 DR in Hills and 1 ele in the garrison.
Now over on IoJ when SBI stormed our keep with 30-40 people and we only had 4 or so on the map, call out in lions arch/to other commanders, easily tripled our numbers in minutes. Cant be saying you only had those 8 people on your server at that time,

Other… Commanders? Yeah, no. Those 8 people were probably the only ones in all of WvW at that time. And tripling our numbers? It’s still 5-6am in the morning.

Oh and btw, much love IoJ.

When i did the call out it was 4am in the morning

Psst, our part of the pie was bigger

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Gab Superstar.4059:

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

I love everyone stating the obvious…of course we got your map by PvDooring lol, we only had 10 people…
Started on the map with 3 and more trickled in as we took hills and bay (With 1 omega and 3 mesmers TIMEWARP BABY) then got a second omega up for garrison, woodhaven and that other tower…its funny that there was no resistance until we got to your last tower, didnt expect the response to be that slow DR, but if by taking your map i have secured our spot in T5 for the next week, its safe to say ive done my job (i clearly havent because we’re still going to drop)

Youre crazy if you think i was going to try and push out in EB when it was clear SBI were pushing hard there, how many times have DR pushed on our borderlands whilst we get wiped by SBI in Eternal?

Response time is low? Try population at 6am honey.

You guys had about 8? people in your last tower building siege which killed our golems
But before then, saw maybe 1 or 2 DR in Hills and 1 ele in the garrison.
Now over on IoJ when SBI stormed our keep with 30-40 people and we only had 4 or so on the map, call out in lions arch/to other commanders, easily tripled our numbers in minutes. Cant be saying you only had those 8 people on your server at that time,

Other… Commanders? Yeah, no. Those 8 people were probably the only ones in all of WvW at that time. And tripling our numbers? It’s still 5-6am in the morning.

Oh and btw, much love IoJ.

When i did the call out it was 4am in the morning

Psst, our part of the pie was bigger

Okay. Fine. You win. IoJ really is the better server. You have superior organization, coordination, and siege capabilities.

EDIT: Fight club is still on.

Gab Superstar.4059:

- DR windmill.
- Stomping someone will get you killed, no interference from allies.
- Feel free to party up and talk after duels.
- Only emote allowed (and required) is /bow before & after a duel.
- Leave rage, insults, derogatory stuff at home.
- Will go on for as long as I can stay up.
- No sigil stacks, no skale venom, no blessings.
- Tap a player to challenge. /yes or /no to reply. Respect this decision.

Cheers everyone.

To the Kiwi thief (female human) outside our PK in IOJ bl… nice fights, thanks for the duel.

To the Kiwi guardian that interrupted – thanks for the badges. =p

Maladon.5760:

Cactus.2710:

Maladon.5760:

If players want balance they have to create it themselves through teaming up with other servers to take down the largest force on the map(s). Arenanet gave us the perfect method of dealing with zergs and imbalance, all we have to do is use it.

Actually, they didn’t. Aside from collaborating on which targets for each server to attack, there isn’t much that can be done, and even then it’s next to impossible to coordinate such things around the clock. No way, for example, that DR and IoJ could team up on the same battlefield to counter an SBI zerg as you suggest … AoE’s don’t honor agreements.

It was being done way back in DAOC under the exact same circumstances over a decade ago. The fact that this generation of gamers can’t seem to pull it off doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

The reason you can’t just “turn them green” is because they don’t want you to get too comfortable with your temporary allies. You’re still supposed to be accountable for your actions (i.e. pay attention to what your AoEing) and putting the alliance at risk with poor gameplay is part of that accountability.

Most of the ‘double team’ situations in DAoC came from under-analysis (omg Hibbies and Albs are attacking the same part of the frontier…DOUBLE TEAM!) and people that have BPS (IE making kitten up). DAoC’s player base was not evenly balanced. Most servers had more people on one side than the other two, and in some cases more than the other two combined. However DAoC had a few specific things that allowed these lower population servers to survive:

1) Un-capped AOE/Healing
2) Much larger areas of engagement
3) Sieges took longer

Just had lots of fun with [AD] (and an [EDGE] mesmer!) dueling after hours. You guys were a blast! Thanks for the good times.

Good fun at DRB tonight. Everyone responsible, thanks.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

Rising Dusk.2408:

Just had lots of fun with [AD] (and an [EDGE] mesmer!) dueling after hours. You guys were a blast! Thanks for the good times.

Yes, it was fun tonight. Maybe we can do a little dueling tomorrow before the 3 servers go their separate ways. There is less than 16 hours left of this matchup.

A big thank you to the Necro and Engineer that showed up and to those of you that came back on alt characters so that we had some pretty good variety beyond the usual mix.

The other night on one of the Borderlands, we decided to start experimenting with strange siege placements just for kicks. We started by sieging Bluebriar from the hill to the East of it (within the supply camp) aiming at the destructible bridge in the tower. A few of us had always wondered what (if any) wall would come down when you destroyed it. Turns out absolutely nothing happens. I guess now enemies would have to jump to get to that ledge, so take that IoJ and you’re stupid bridge!

The screenshot was taken with perfect timing, right as the drake punted me down the hill.

Good luck to IoJ and DR in their next matchups, it’s been a fun few weeks.

Good fights DR and IoJ.
Good luck in the next matchup.

If anyone is interested in a few free kills, there is 3 DR rangers botting and teleporting in sbi bl lake killing krait. Reported them already but might be nice if they found themselves back at spawn :P

Heh thanks to Mikeycheese for the LONG hunt around bluewater supply in IoJ bl, even with the 2 SoCo thieves we couldnt pin you down, im sure you’ll do really well in your next matchup

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

I haven’t even been able to play GW2 this week, but do you actually think your server is really that skilled? That the amount of people had nothing to do with the outcome?
Great, I can not wait for you all to show us how it’s done next week.

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

That we lose because we make fundamental mistakes? No, that’s not something even closely resembling truth.

We might have lost Garrison because whoever was in Garrison made fundamental mistakes, but we lost the match up because we don’t have your coverage.

I was about ready to take a screenshot every hour during a 24-hour period, just to show you how often we actually are outmanned, but then most of the SBI people seemed to accept the fact that you had superior coverage. Everyone except you I suppose.

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

A good vent there mate, but thats not really what happened.
You do realize that you had at least 40 players(not counting culling) there.
And another group of at least 20. The thing to realize for you is yes we make mistakes, and we do a lot of them. But that doesn’t mean that your ability to field consistent numbers like that isn’t a major factor. And yes you finally took it when most of our people already went to sleep. Great job.

I am one of those people who is ok with you having more numbers and coverage. I am also not saying anything about skill. Hell I am a casual player myself. But please don’t delude yourself that what you were doing at Gar yesterday was strategy that was working.

And people who upgraded gar, and sieged it, ty. That was the first time this week we held SBI zerg for this long. And considering the numbers the had, it was worth it.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

To the glorious, skillful, barely present SBI, who are constantly fighting off the hordes of IoJ and DR, outnumbered 10-1! Given how from what I’ve read there really is only five of you fighting against, oh, what is it, a thousand of us online? …I hereby congratulate you on your brilliant tactics, your helpful comments on how IoJ and DR should be teaming up against you, and I trust that, on your journey to Tier 4, you will use your brilliant skills in killing constant hordes many times your size and your astounding diplomatic skills to organize other servers to your cause and will swiftly defeat Maguuma and make your way up to Tier 3.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

A good vent there mate, but thats not really what happened.
You do realize that you had at least 40 players(not counting culling) there.
And another group of at least 20. The thing to realize for you is yes we make mistakes, and we do a lot of them. But that doesn’t mean that your ability to field consistent numbers like that isn’t a major factor. And yes you finally took it when most of our people already went to sleep. Great job.

I am one of those people who is ok with you having more numbers and coverage. I am also not saying anything about skill. Hell I am a casual player myself. But please don’t delude yourself that what you were doing at Gar yesterday was strategy that was working.

And people who upgraded gar, and sieged it, ty. That was the first time this week we held SBI zerg for this long. And considering the numbers the had, it was worth it.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

Actually we held Garrison for ~ 9h this Wednesday during day time. Numbers varied obviously but when SBI finally took it it was about 30 SBI vs 15 DR. If you want more info you can read about the defense hour-by-hour in my 5 paragraph post on page 4 of this thread.

Oh wait…

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

SBI needs new tropes or a better understanding of what their current ones mean. You can’t call out “forum warriors” then spout off. You might as well call everyone stupid then spell everything you type wrong.

It’s certain that you guys aren’t winning because of originality and superior IQ numbers.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Dream In A Dream.7213:

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

A good vent there mate, but thats not really what happened.
You do realize that you had at least 40 players(not counting culling) there.
And another group of at least 20. The thing to realize for you is yes we make mistakes, and we do a lot of them. But that doesn’t mean that your ability to field consistent numbers like that isn’t a major factor. And yes you finally took it when most of our people already went to sleep. Great job.

I am one of those people who is ok with you having more numbers and coverage. I am also not saying anything about skill. Hell I am a casual player myself. But please don’t delude yourself that what you were doing at Gar yesterday was strategy that was working.

And people who upgraded gar, and sieged it, ty. That was the first time this week we held SBI zerg for this long. And considering the numbers the had, it was worth it.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

Actually we held Garrison for ~ 9h this Wednesday during day time. Numbers varied obviously but when SBI finally took it it was about 30 SBI vs 15 DR. If you want more info you can read about the defense hour-by-hour in my 5 paragraph post on page 4 of this thread.

Oh wait…

I stand humbled and corrected .

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

Ever consider most of the people you consider ‘forum warriors’ are people running in small man groups zerg stomping and hardly ever entering a keep/tower? Ohh I guess u are talking about the people NOT really posting on the forums. Well hopefully they read these.

But seriously +1 for your severe under-analysis of what people are posting, strong work there smalls.

Dynnen.6405:

MosesZD.7428:

To the DR Forum Warriors:

Has it ever occurred to you that you lose because you make fundamental mistakes? Take the simultaneous garrison assaults last night (DR & SBI).

30 of you were on SBI trying to take our garrison with a golem rush while 30 of us were on DR trying to take yours using rams. We had nobody defending garrison but a lookout. YOU had at least 20, mostly AoE specialists (and of that, a LOT of longbow rangers), defending your keep.

When we heard you were trying to take ours, HALF of us went back and wiped you guys right as you broke through the inner gate while the other half remained to keep the pressure on while having inferior numbers. *In our defense of our Garrison, besides being out-numbered, we had no siege, no time to prepare as we barely, within seconds of your busing the inner gate down, made it into the inner keep way point. *

Despite being out-numbered by our choice, we, true to our expectations, wiped you. While out manned. The floor was red with DR bodies and I got somewhere around 10 bags. Your zerg never made it to the Lord’s room, dying in the supply courtyard.

Let’s compare that to your garrison defense.

During our assault on your garrison it took us 45-minutes to burn down your seige that you spent 1700 supply MOST OF WHICH YOU WASTED ON BUILDING MORE SIEGE THAT WE KEPT DESTROYING.

Not that it was ‘easy.’ You repeatedly, with your massive AoE knocked our squishy guys down so the heavies had to keep getting them up. And getting them up was a chore because you had multiple catapults and mortars you’d pound us with. But we did it, despite the ground being red with AoE circles and no place to dodge.

Beyond that, you must have had close to a dozen arrow carts in and around the Lord’s Room where we couldn’t take it down from the inner keep. When we broke in, with you having PLENTY OF TIME TO BRING IN REINFORCEMENTS from your SBI wipe, GIVING YOU YET ANOTHER NUMBERS ADVANTAGE, plus all those arrow carts, we still wiped you. And while we were wiping you, you respawned at Citadel, hit the just opened waypoint at Garrison and rushed in again. Where we kept wiping you, despite the constant stream of reinforcements.

So, even with all the siege, and having greater numbers AND the tactical advantage of the citadel-short-run-back and your own waypoint, you lost.

You had us out-manned on SBI. You, in the end, had us out-manned and with multiple tactical advantages on DR. And yet you lost. Twice. With more people (in total) than us in both fights.

So, I say, look to yourselves. Stop pointing fingers. Stop acting like it’s ‘superior SBI numbers.’ It’s not numbers. It’s how you play the game.

Ever consider most of the people you consider ‘forum warriors’ are people running in small man groups zerg stomping and hardly ever entering a keep/tower? Ohh I guess u are talking about the people NOT really posting on the forums. Well hopefully they read these.

But seriously +1 for your severe under-analysis of what people are posting, strong work there smalls.

I’ll be posting our “outside-the-wall” 10v40 defense of Garrison from a few days ago here some time today.

I don’t really post much but I feel this is worth saying.

I have only the highest respect for IOJ and DR and I think the majority of SBI’s core players do as well. The match up in this tier has had some of the strongest and most challenging battles I’ve personally been a part of through my entire history with SBI (been around since day 1).

It should be remembered that in the first week we dropped into this tier that the battles were pitched and evenly matched and in the end the servers had (if I remember correctly) mostly even scores with maybe ~20k variance between 1st and 2nd compared to the usual 100-200k blow outs you see first place servers have in any tier.

Sadly, from there the gap has only grown due to the ‘fairweather’ players fleeing the battlefields on IOJ and DR’s side while our own have come back to bolster the numbers once more. Of that, there’s already been lengthy discourses about and not much more need be said.

World scores do not give justice to the intensity of the battles and constant surprises that I have found SBI being faced with at all hours of the day. DR and IOJ have never given up and that is what counts above anything else. All I can say is keep at it and I wish DR and IOJ all the best in their next match ups.

/salute o7

Also as an aside, any fight clubs going on before we all move on tonight?

“Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right now.” ~~Youngbloods “Get Together”

I think we need a little bit of this in this thread ^^^

I’ve had some memorable fights this match up and some not so enjoyable experiences, but hopefully everyone was able to gain or learn something from this match-up.

Thanks extended to everyone and anyone this week!

Zhokora.7048:

I don’t really post much but I feel this is worth saying.

I have only the highest respect for IOJ and DR and I think the majority of SBI’s core players do as well. The match up in this tier has had some of the strongest and most challenging battles I’ve personally been a part of through my entire history with SBI (been around since day 1).

It should be remembered that in the first week we dropped into this tier that the battles were pitched and evenly matched and in the end the servers had (if I remember correctly) mostly even scores with maybe ~20k variance between 1st and 2nd compared to the usual 100-200k blow outs you see first place servers have in any tier.

Sadly, from there the gap has only grown due to the ‘fairweather’ players fleeing the battlefields on IOJ and DR’s side while our own have come back to bolster the numbers once more. Of that, there’s already been lengthy discourses about and not much more need be said.

World scores do not give justice to the intensity of the battles and constant surprises that I have found SBI being faced with at all hours of the day. DR and IOJ have never given up and that is what counts above anything else. All I can say is keep at it and I wish DR and IOJ all the best in their next match ups.

/salute o7

Also as an aside, any fight clubs going on before we all move on tonight?

Hear, hear! I agree with that.

Also, I’m going to try to get home from work early and do a coordinated jump puzzle effort before reset. Maybe we can have some fights in there!

Zhokora.7048:

I don’t really post much but I feel this is worth saying.

I have only the highest respect for IOJ and DR and I think the majority of SBI’s core players do as well. The match up in this tier has had some of the strongest and most challenging battles I’ve personally been a part of through my entire history with SBI (been around since day 1).

It should be remembered that in the first week we dropped into this tier that the battles were pitched and evenly matched and in the end the servers had (if I remember correctly) mostly even scores with maybe ~20k variance between 1st and 2nd compared to the usual 100-200k blow outs you see first place servers have in any tier.

Sadly, from there the gap has only grown due to the ‘fairweather’ players fleeing the battlefields on IOJ and DR’s side while our own have come back to bolster the numbers once more. Of that, there’s already been lengthy discourses about and not much more need be said.

World scores do not give justice to the intensity of the battles and constant surprises that I have found SBI being faced with at all hours of the day. DR and IOJ have never given up and that is what counts above anything else. All I can say is keep at it and I wish DR and IOJ all the best in their next match ups.

/salute o7

Also as an aside, any fight clubs going on before we all move on tonight?

Score during first week was 110k difference, not 20k.

And yes, I will be at DR windmill 2 hours before reset.

Was it? Faulty memory then on my part. I thought the majority of the week was pretty close. My apologies then, and I’ll be there for fight club again, I still have a lot to learn for warrior.

I had intended to leave this thread alone since my last post, and maybe I should have. I don’t want to talk for someone else. But I think the point that Moses was trying to make is that contrary to what a few DR players keep trying to say (Not so much IOJ it seems) SBI has had MANY fights in which we did NOT have the numbers and still prevailed due to superior tactics and skill in that battle. But the posters I refer to will never give us credit for that. It is ALWAYS our numbers and numbers only to them. Even when they say it was a good fight it is ALWAYS only a good fight because we out numbered them 2-5 to 1.

I have been in many of these fight and have screen shots and frap videos that show this is the case. I was one of the 2-3 scouts on the map and at garrison when the DR golem rush started and I was the one that called for help from the group in DR. We had almost no one on the map. DR had taken Hills with a force of 30-40 and we had 3-5 defenders at most. It was T1 and it was not felt that pulling forces back to defend it was worth while. I stayed and died at the gate just to show token resistance. This BTW is an example of PvDoor by DR in PRIME TIME.(nothing wrong with that…but DR has it’s opportunity for that too) Wonder how that happens when we have 40 man zergs on every map all the time…huh?

When the attack came to Garrison I informed the group on DR and they sent a small force just in time as the way point opened up. I think some actually got ported to citadel ( a bug that has happened to me before too). We were still out numbered. Culling and pets always make it hard to estimate numbers. But there were more DR than SBI…not a doubt. Some well placed combo fields and portal bombs won the day. We feel good about our game play at times like that but these few DR posters will ALWAYS claim our massive numbers stumbled in and overwhelmed. It is insulting.

That is not to say we don’t have more numbers then DR and IO in most cases now. It is to say we don’t ALWAYS have the numbers. And it didn’t start that way. As has been pointed out by others, fair-weather players will skew those numbers as more turn up for the winners and less for the losers as the week goes on. I still think Anet needs to restructure the scoring system because it becomes meaningless by midweek.

DR and IOJ have done the same or similar on many occasions and I and others have said GG for that. You can ALWAYS find examples where there have been bad choices and just bad game play from ALL three servers. As you can ALWAYS find examples of good and even great game play where SBI, DR and IOJ have out played a larger force.

Cherry picking screen shots and videos of times your server prevailed and trying to indicate that is the norm and constantly posting insulting comments is disingenuous, immature and just plain rude. Someone said it’s not a tickle contest and that is true. It is also not a contest on how rude you can be to other people on a forum. Hard core tactics belong on the battlefield…not here.

It is to bad a very few people seem to think it is their job to derail these threads. There are a lot more posters here from all three servers who have been interesting, entertaining, educational and able to talk smack in a good nature and polite manner. Thank you to those posters.

Thank you DR and IOJ for many fun times these last few weeks. Just because people chose different servers does not make them bad people. If we had all been on anyone of these servers I am sure most of us would have been friends as much as we are with our own server mates.

Sorry for the T3 wall of text…but we always upgrade..

Good Luck and have FUN!!!! =D

A movie with commentary. Defending garrison from a heavy assault by SBI outside of the walls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7z4IAu-Mz4

Krash, you have to realize that the movies I post aren’t speaking for all of DR or speaking against all of SBI. These are just some of the fights that we’ve had. We are almost always outnumbered since we avoid the larger DR forces when we can. I’m sure that SBI has won some good fights against superior numbers but we weren’t there because that’s exactly the type of thing we avoid (being on the side that has a numbers advantage) when we can.

Apologies to any soloers or super small groups we rolled over. It means nothing. Victories won with a significant numbers advantage are meaningless to us.

TLDR: I can’t fraps stuff I can’t see because I’m not there when it happens.

Honestly I am not trying to thump my chest here but it is exceedingly rare for AD / NoQQ / BSty to get wiped by equal numbers. When it happens we always give props to whoever beat us (Echo Squad from EB, for example).

The reason that you see DR people posting about how we win fights outmanned, is because a lot of the people who post from DR are in AD.

What exactly do you want us to do? Post about how we kittenstomp an unorganized pug group of underleveled people simply because we had equal numbers? No, we won’t. We realize that they could never beat an organized group like ours, and we never take pride in beating them either. We will post about the good fights. Obviously good fights can only happen when the fighting is even, and that can only happen between an organized group and an unorganized one, when the unorganized one has enough people to compensate for their lack of organization. When we finally do get overwhelmed, do you want us to lie and say that is was the huge strategical mindset of SBI that allowed you to wipe us? No. We will rightfully say that it was because you outnumbered us horribly. That you chose to take this as some kind of personal insult, is laughable really.

I never claimed you had 40-man zergs on all maps at all times, that is something you made up in your mind. DR often wins in prime time, and unlike many people from SBI I realize that this can only happen when numbers are greater or similar to your foes’.

Furthermore, I think it’s quite laughable that you compare PvD when you have the numbers to defend, but choose not to, to the PvD that goes on during the day time by guilds like Kiwi, KT, AoD and AUS. I am not trying to hate on them here, they obviously serve a valuable role in your server’s success (the most valuable, even). The best example of PvD from DR during this match up would be yesterday, when we flipped almost all of EB with little to no resistance.

Out of all posters in these threads, you are the one who has spent the most effort into derailing them, through your snide remarks about how everyone you disagree with from DR being a troll etc. I have personally danced on your corpse on every occasion I have had the chance to, not because I am a huge kitten (the people from SBI who has spoken to me can attest to that), but because I feel you deserve this. I seriously hope you get over this cuddly tuddly mindset that everyone must be fair and not hurt other players feelings through truthful posts, because I for one think it’s really annoying. It would indeed have been better if you chose to stop posting when you told yourself to.

Some roaming from BSW. Berm

http://youtu.be/Ak9XmF5z3ME

DoggyPaddler.3586:

Some roaming from BSW. Berm

http://youtu.be/Ak9XmF5z3ME

Cool.

- Include TS chat (if any). Prevents the vid from getting stale.
- Try to edit out the parts where you are just cleaning up low levels and stuff after a fight.
- Highlighting skill usage with slow motion is good, but keep those segments short and focused on the ability in question (mostly referring to the slow motion at the start, the stun is well placed, but you keep using slow motion for quite a while after).

Generally a good video though. Good luck in T4.

Maladon.5760:

Attic.1562:

I have never seen a balanced match up in the history of the game. Someone is always ruining someone else’s kitten and then congratulating themselves about it, even though there is almost no way in hell they could have lost. It can get under your skin after a while.

That’s because no one plays WvW the way it was meant to be played. It might as well be two servers instead of three. The whole reason three servers is the magic number is to keep larger forces in check. IoJ and DR working together could have really hurt us.

If arenanet’s goal was to have balanced matchups in every tier there would be absolutely no need for three servers to be involved in the conflict. In fact, having three servers actually makes it more difficult to balance the tiers. If players want balance they have to create it themselves through teaming up with other servers to take down the largest force on the map(s). Arenanet gave us the perfect method of dealing with zergs and imbalance, all we have to do is use it.

I agree 100% Maladon. I’ve been posting this around the fourms for awhile trying to get people to do it.

I will be totally on board if Mag proves to be the dominant server everyone thinks they will be. I will be trying to get us and CD to team up on them if they are crushing us both.

I posted this in another thread and I’m copying it here in case we need to do it next week:

Teaming up with another server does not mean being in the exact same location necessarily because yes, AoE becomes a problem and it would be much harder to control.

This is how it could work: Green is the dominant server obviously.

On EB: Easy. Blue and Red take their third and don’t attack each other along their common territorial border. Put all the pressure on Green from both sides. Make it a two front war for Green and a one front war for Blue and Red.

On Green BL: This is the key I think. Blue and Red each take their spawn tower and camp. Do not fight each other over the border or the south camp (or trade it back and forth). That means all Blue and Red forces can concentrate on one front. Green will be forced to fight on two fronts. It would also force Green players to come here from other maps to defend.

On Red and Blue BL: This is debatable. Initially it might seem like it would be best to stay out of each other’s BL entirely. But it might be better if Red and Blue would each take their respective spawn towers and camps to act as a buffer against Green.

First ever at any movie making or editing thanks for the advice!

Ouch, getting kind of heated here and that means that there is really only one good solution. —-- FIGHTCLUB ! —--

For some reason the act of smacking and getting smacked down 1v1 helps people relate and respect each other better. Maybe it’s because you rarely see the epic trolls and egomaniacs show up to these things but I like to think that its something more basic and simple. It is easy to see that players from any server share an interest in a good fight or even just a display of honest effort. It is not unusual to get excellent advice from an opponent after a match and I have never been to a fightclub that didn’t promote a general sense of comradery amongst the participants.

Sounds like one is planned 2 hours before reset.

Thanks for all the fun in WvW and good luck on your new match ups DR/SBI!

DoggyPaddler.3586:

Some roaming from BSW. Berm

http://youtu.be/Ak9XmF5z3ME

Excellent. I love footage like this regardless of what server it is coming from.

DoggyPaddler.3586:

Some roaming from BSW. Berm

http://youtu.be/Ak9XmF5z3ME

Great video!
Liked it a lot and looking forward to seeing more from you guys.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg/SoCo

Just to let you know SBI, if you think we are the bad trolls, say hello to Magumas trolls! Not gonna mention any names *cough Bun *cough Zy.