To the BG who was a Quaggan with my friends and I running around JQ BL, I love ya.
I know you said to one of us it was 4-5am your time. However it was fun.
To all the BG and the little asura who sat beside me before I got knocked off the cliff <3 you all too.
Also to the BG commander who was on thank you. It made this morning fun to be running around as a little quaggan.
Commander Silvannas “Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.” Sun Tzu
Then that won’t do much about the trolling until 30 min after the troll is logged, which is more than too much time to lose anything and everything if you cannot defend it. They’re just going to F-tap every ram as they drain more supply and build more siege.
I figured our day crew could even things up and have this be a helluva fight heading into the finish line but we just simply do not have the numbers to compete against what is out there right now.
Then that won’t do much about the trolling until 30 min after the troll is logged, which is more than too much time to lose anything and everything if you cannot defend it. They’re just going to F-tap every ram as they drain more supply and build more siege.
First off, to clarify. Rams do not vanish NOW after 30 minutes. This was a suggested solution.
Now to the above quoted: This assumes the griefer can stay up 24 hours straight and not get caught refreshing, and can make it BACK to the rams while still building enough rams to max out. Building a ram by yourself takes time. Building close to 50 of them cannot be done in 1/2 hour. Resetting 50 of them cannot be done in a half hour. It’s a losing uphill 24 hour grind that eventually he couldn’t keep up.
Not to the above quoted: This assumes the griefer can stay up 24 hours straight and not get caught refreshing, and can make it BACK to the rams while still building enough rams to max out. Building a ram by yourself takes time. Building close to 50 of them cannot be done in 1/2 hour. Resetting 50 of them cannot be done in a half hour. It’s a losing uphill 24 hour grind that eventually he couldn’t keep up.
I would imagine that the troll is building his rams, for instance, within garrison at first to siege cap it. He can easily tap every single one of the rams inside garrison while building more rams inside of garrison. If he moves to cap other places, say hills (and barring waypoints), then yes, he’ll eventually lose the rams in garrison. This is fine in that it prevents a troll for siege capping multiple places (as well as preventing post-log capping) but its not doing anything to stop him from siege capping a place… and if he does it correctly that place will fall (since it cannot be defended) and then simply moving to the next spot.
Not to the above quoted: This assumes the griefer can stay up 24 hours straight and not get caught refreshing, and can make it BACK to the rams while still building enough rams to max out. Building a ram by yourself takes time. Building close to 50 of them cannot be done in 1/2 hour. Resetting 50 of them cannot be done in a half hour. It’s a losing uphill 24 hour grind that eventually he couldn’t keep up.
I would imagine that the troll is building his rams, for instance, within garrison at first to siege cap it. He can easily tap every single one of the rams inside garrison while building more rams inside of garrison. If he moves to cap other places, say hills (and barring waypoints), then yes, he’ll eventually lose the rams in garrison. This is fine in that it prevents a troll for siege capping multiple places (as well as preventing post-log capping) but its not doing anything to stop him from siege capping a place… and if he does it correctly that place will fall (since it cannot be defended) and then simply moving to the next spot.
I’m just playing devil’s advocate here.
I know you know how they work. The suggestion was mine. And I was responding about that to the other poster (see the post before yours) anywas…
Okay, he’d still have to stay up 24 hours straight and this would be an incredibly difficult thing to get done once let alone twice, plus we could mass report him.
The reason he can get away with it is he can build it and never come back and we can’t catch him. This would at least make it way more trouble than it’s worth, impossible to maintain and easy to report.
Okay, he’d still have to stay up 24 hours straight and this would be an incredibly difficult thing to get done once let alone twice, plus we could mass report him.
My point was that he can still lock down a keep or tower while he’s on, even if he’s on for only three hours, and rinse-repeat the process for a while as things fall due to the siege cap.
That’s assuming the same person is logged into the account. The gremlin was on for a lot of hours and was refreshing his siege. First it was spamming treb’s in EB keep. Then the next day the rams and arrow carts in JQ BL Garri and EB keep. It easily could have been more than one person doing this. I know it was more than one account doing the trebs.
Anyway, this has revealed that WvW balance is quite easily broken. At our level of play, once being siege capped, you are going to lose ground quickly. On two maps simultaneously and it’s a no win scenario. It’s just that simple.
This isn’t something a Dev can program around. They need real living breathing humans moderating the game. It’s the only solution that can fix this quickly.
My response to all this is, “play naked!!!” Well, at least my characters are :-)
This isn’t something a Dev can program around. They need real living breathing humans moderating the game. It’s the only solution that can fix this quickly.
It is definaitly something a dev can programme around. Built siege could have a tag attached with the name of the person that placed the siege. Whilst a 10 minute despawn would be great. It doesn’t stop supplies being drained.
And I would rather see dev’s working on more constructive projects than dealing with small minded fools who’s biggest triumph in life is to spoil other gamers enjoyment and blacken a servers reputation as deserved winners.
Whatever the solution, the first and best course of action is to perma ban this low life.
Hello, everyone. Here’s a score update after taking JQ Garrison. Great fights, everyone. Sorry to hear about what’s going on with the siege problem. Hope Anet fixes it.
That’s assuming the same person is logged into the account. The gremlin was on for a lot of hours and was refreshing his siege. First it was spamming treb’s in EB keep. Then the next day the rams and arrow carts in JQ BL Garri and EB keep. It easily could have been more than one person doing this. I know it was more than one account doing the trebs.
Anyway, this has revealed that WvW balance is quite easily broken. At our level of play, once being siege capped, you are going to lose ground quickly. On two maps simultaneously and it’s a no win scenario. It’s just that simple.
This isn’t something a Dev can program around. They need real living breathing humans moderating the game. It’s the only solution that can fix this quickly.
My response to all this is, “play naked!!!” Well, at least my characters are :-)
If it’s more than one person doing this for extended hours, I fear for that town when they get to high school.
JQ got pretty lazy the last few weeks. No challenge.
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All Hail CuddleStrike! Undisputed Empress of Tier 1!
Controlled by CuddleStrike!
Hi everyone, here to your ‘good’ battles you had this week. Hoping the non-issue items subdues or is handled in future, and to all the hard work everyone put in … great job.
Congrats BG, may be early, but at this point I think I can send along a note to your accomplishment. If someone can pm me about what happened with iCoa … I’d be interested to know or understand, as I’m an old darkhaven folk and know many of them. In fact I respect many of them. But ‘something’ happened, so I’d be interested to understand what it was in private – out of respect.
Congrats to you week everyone, and keep building that gap SoR, this tier likely remains in tact for months to come, and best of luck in the coming week.
~ X [RE], Kaineng
Willing to pay for boxed expansion if you put legit GvG in the box $$
Now that it looks like BG has locked up this week. I have to ask…. Do they have enough 5 hour energy to get through reset?
5 hour energy stocked up! lol but seriously, I think we all know reset doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I’ll let other servers burn themselves out on reset for a measly couple thousand lead while I rest up and avoid the Friday night Queue Blues.
Gratz on the win bg maybe jq will actually learn from the loss.one thing i hope they learn is stop farming the jp’s as early as monday thinking our asian crew will still get us the win. this week has showned us bg off peak coverage is just as strong as ours and we need to play the whole week.
I have so much love for our Oceanic and EU coverage. I know the NA prime time guys are awesome too, but I think we forget to thank those guys. They turned our 500+ PPT but -5K lead, into a + 10K lead overnight for the win this week. Good job everyone.
Ok, I’m not going to prolong or engage in this discussion. I’m sorry your upset and its been very obvious that a lot of the major guilds on BG have been vocal about there concerns on this matter and that they do not support it. Regardless if you want to compare Blackgates past to what the current guilds are trying to do, you have no way to prove what server or person is/was placing rams…
So what happened to iCoa, did they really disband? There’s a number of guys in there I have run with and know, and have respect for. I don’t know many or all of them, but to the ones I do know, I like. I am interested to know about this, please pm me
Willing to pay for boxed expansion if you put legit GvG in the box $$
Dear BG, we at JQ appreciate all the time you’ve given us and thoroughly enjoy the amount of loot bags we’ve been able to steal off your carcass.
Earlier today, you guys were able to take our keep which was followed by one of the best JQ rallies I’ve seen in a long time. We look forward to more of your shenanigans and possible sabotage down the road.
It would be nice if siege engines displayed the name of the guild that placed them for all to see, enemy and ally alike. Beyond the issue of this ram-griefer, I think it would be cool to see the guilds responsible for bolstering the defenses of keeps and towers.
I’d really like to know if “troll rams” are against the rules and a bannable offense or whether they are completely legit as far as Anet is concerned. Because if so, I can easily imagine this becoming an “eye for an eye” where all 3 tier 1 servers do it and the whole situation becomes ridiculous. You’re basically paying $60 to have the ability to burn all your opponents supply before you attack them.
I agree with Zikory. I’ve seen plenty of exploits on all sides, from every server I’ve ever faced, but more so in the past, since Anet is shoring up the holes as time goes on. It happens to everyone. You aren’t special. Cheating is terrible, most people get that. Cheaters are in the minority, coincidentally, so are people who read forums http://xkcd.com/386/
Moral of the story is, flaming and finger pointing only gets your post deleted.
Side note: You guys at Mendon’s last night had me counting the seconds…
So what happened to iCoa, did they really disband? There’s a number of guys in there I have run with and know, and have respect for. I don’t know many or all of them, but to the ones I do know, I like. I am interested to know about this, please pm me
They didn’t disband. A few of their higher level members left and took some members with them, but Icoa is still around in pretty large numbers.
I’d really like to know if “troll rams” are against the rules and a bannable offense or whether they are completely legit as far as Anet is concerned. Because if so, I can easily imagine this becoming an “eye for an eye” where all 3 tier 1 servers do it and the whole situation becomes ridiculous. You’re basically paying $60 to have the ability to burn all your opponents supply before you attack them.
I’m sure it falls somewhere under their Rules of Conduct rules #1 and #22.
1) While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.
22) While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.
While neither is necessarily specific, I’m sure a case could be made that such behavior violates both of these rules.
Absolutely amazing come back Blackgate, well done everyone! Every single guild that I can think of was pulling all nighters to do this, everyone was constantly working together on all borderlands, we turned around a 24k deficit with only a couple of days to go. This win goes to the Blackgaters that have stuck by their server through thick and thin, they deserve it more than anyone else.
Congratulations on your hard earned tier 1 victory Blackgate! It was a long time coming! :)
I already made a post earlier saying that I sympathies with JQ. I am very disappointed, however, that there are many ignorant players on this forum that are cheapening our hard work and potentially at this point, our fist win in T1. We kittened a little on the forums, but we mainly took the responsibility on ourselves to keep an eye out, report the person, get him/her kicked out of their guild, and constantly raise awareness on the matter. I don’t think this was a spy, but a troll. We’ve had our share. We were siege capped for weeks in our last stint in T2. We had to use golems many times to take objectives. These are just people who get off on screwing things up. I’ve taken screenshots but I’ve cleared out my files. I did, however, find one that I passed over.
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IMHO, only a troll would have put in this much time and energy do this.
Given that they only reward for winning is bragging rights, why would anyone who cared about WvW victory spend this much time knowing it would be instantly pointed to as the reason.
We share apocalyptic views, how comforting that we see it too.
Or someone who is adamant in adhering to the rules of the game. Quite frankly, I’m surprised more people aren’t outraged about this. Why play a game with rules and systems if they are just going to get thrown out the window.
So what happened to iCoa, did they really disband? There’s a number of guys in there I have run with and know, and have respect for. I don’t know many or all of them, but to the ones I do know, I like. I am interested to know about this, please pm me
That is just a select few spreading rumors.
A handful of people did leave, but the impact was minimal. The guild itself is still going strong.
