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Posted by: Mishi.7058

Mishi.7058

To the BG who was a Quaggan with my friends and I running around JQ BL, I love ya.
I know you said to one of us it was 4-5am your time. However it was fun.

To all the BG and the little asura who sat beside me before I got knocked off the cliff <3 you all too.

Also to the BG commander who was on thank you. It made this morning fun to be running around as a little quaggan.

Commander Silvannas
“Invincibility lies in the defence; the possibility of victory in the attack.” Sun Tzu

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Posted by: Vena.8436

Vena.8436

Yes the timer resets after use.

Then that won’t do much about the trolling until 30 min after the troll is logged, which is more than too much time to lose anything and everything if you cannot defend it. They’re just going to F-tap every ram as they drain more supply and build more siege.

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Posted by: Pvp.2758

Pvp.2758

The rams will not disappear after 30min if it is inside your own keep. It will sit there until destroyed.

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Posted by: Tarin Twisted.4183

Tarin Twisted.4183

So…many…BG….

I figured our day crew could even things up and have this be a helluva fight heading into the finish line but we just simply do not have the numbers to compete against what is out there right now.

This week should be interesting.

Good win BG.

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Posted by: hex.3218

hex.3218

Yes the timer resets after use.

Then that won’t do much about the trolling until 30 min after the troll is logged, which is more than too much time to lose anything and everything if you cannot defend it. They’re just going to F-tap every ram as they drain more supply and build more siege.

First off, to clarify. Rams do not vanish NOW after 30 minutes. This was a suggested solution.

Now to the above quoted: This assumes the griefer can stay up 24 hours straight and not get caught refreshing, and can make it BACK to the rams while still building enough rams to max out. Building a ram by yourself takes time. Building close to 50 of them cannot be done in 1/2 hour. Resetting 50 of them cannot be done in a half hour. It’s a losing uphill 24 hour grind that eventually he couldn’t keep up.

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Posted by: hex.3218

hex.3218

The rams will not disappear after 30min if it is inside your own keep. It will sit there until destroyed.

I didn’t say they did. This is a proposed solution.

Calm Little Buddy
JQQ

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Posted by: Vena.8436

Vena.8436

First off, to clarify. Rams do not vanish NOW after 30 minutes. This was a suggested solution.

I know how rams currently work, this whole discussion is on hypotheticals I started. :p

Not to the above quoted: This assumes the griefer can stay up 24 hours straight and not get caught refreshing, and can make it BACK to the rams while still building enough rams to max out. Building a ram by yourself takes time. Building close to 50 of them cannot be done in 1/2 hour. Resetting 50 of them cannot be done in a half hour. It’s a losing uphill 24 hour grind that eventually he couldn’t keep up.

I would imagine that the troll is building his rams, for instance, within garrison at first to siege cap it. He can easily tap every single one of the rams inside garrison while building more rams inside of garrison. If he moves to cap other places, say hills (and barring waypoints), then yes, he’ll eventually lose the rams in garrison. This is fine in that it prevents a troll for siege capping multiple places (as well as preventing post-log capping) but its not doing anything to stop him from siege capping a place… and if he does it correctly that place will fall (since it cannot be defended) and then simply moving to the next spot.

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here.

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Posted by: hex.3218

hex.3218

First off, to clarify. Rams do not vanish NOW after 30 minutes. This was a suggested solution.

I know how rams currently work, this whole discussion is on hypotheticals I started. :p

Not to the above quoted: This assumes the griefer can stay up 24 hours straight and not get caught refreshing, and can make it BACK to the rams while still building enough rams to max out. Building a ram by yourself takes time. Building close to 50 of them cannot be done in 1/2 hour. Resetting 50 of them cannot be done in a half hour. It’s a losing uphill 24 hour grind that eventually he couldn’t keep up.

I would imagine that the troll is building his rams, for instance, within garrison at first to siege cap it. He can easily tap every single one of the rams inside garrison while building more rams inside of garrison. If he moves to cap other places, say hills (and barring waypoints), then yes, he’ll eventually lose the rams in garrison. This is fine in that it prevents a troll for siege capping multiple places (as well as preventing post-log capping) but its not doing anything to stop him from siege capping a place… and if he does it correctly that place will fall (since it cannot be defended) and then simply moving to the next spot.

I’m just playing devil’s advocate here.

I know you know how they work. The suggestion was mine. And I was responding about that to the other poster (see the post before yours) anywas…

Okay, he’d still have to stay up 24 hours straight and this would be an incredibly difficult thing to get done once let alone twice, plus we could mass report him.

The reason he can get away with it is he can build it and never come back and we can’t catch him. This would at least make it way more trouble than it’s worth, impossible to maintain and easy to report.

Calm Little Buddy
JQQ

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Posted by: Vena.8436

Vena.8436

Okay, he’d still have to stay up 24 hours straight and this would be an incredibly difficult thing to get done once let alone twice, plus we could mass report him.

My point was that he can still lock down a keep or tower while he’s on, even if he’s on for only three hours, and rinse-repeat the process for a while as things fall due to the siege cap.

The reason he can get away with it is he can build it and never come back and we can’t catch him.

This, fine.

PS: About the rams, thought you were talking to me since you quoted me. My bad.

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Posted by: Chewablesleeptablet.3185

Chewablesleeptablet.3185

i wonder if <insert guild here> is going to ask for more guilds to transfer to < insert Server here > because of a single loss from short win streak?

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Posted by: DeWolfe.2174

DeWolfe.2174

That’s assuming the same person is logged into the account. The gremlin was on for a lot of hours and was refreshing his siege. First it was spamming treb’s in EB keep. Then the next day the rams and arrow carts in JQ BL Garri and EB keep. It easily could have been more than one person doing this. I know it was more than one account doing the trebs.

Anyway, this has revealed that WvW balance is quite easily broken. At our level of play, once being siege capped, you are going to lose ground quickly. On two maps simultaneously and it’s a no win scenario. It’s just that simple.

This isn’t something a Dev can program around. They need real living breathing humans moderating the game. It’s the only solution that can fix this quickly.

My response to all this is, “play naked!!!” Well, at least my characters are :-)

[AwM] of Jade Quarry.

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Posted by: Tyaen.5148

Tyaen.5148

Hey, does anyone know how rams work in WvWvW?

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Hey, does anyone know how rams work in WvWvW?

Well what you do is set them up all over your keep and when your enemy runs in everyone spams Flame Burst! Fire everywhere!

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Posted by: Korbaal.6402

Korbaal.6402

This isn’t something a Dev can program around. They need real living breathing humans moderating the game. It’s the only solution that can fix this quickly.

It is definaitly something a dev can programme around. Built siege could have a tag attached with the name of the person that placed the siege. Whilst a 10 minute despawn would be great. It doesn’t stop supplies being drained.
And I would rather see dev’s working on more constructive projects than dealing with small minded fools who’s biggest triumph in life is to spoil other gamers enjoyment and blacken a servers reputation as deserved winners.

Whatever the solution, the first and best course of action is to perma ban this low life.

[RIP STAR]

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Posted by: karitzuki.7659

karitzuki.7659

Hello, everyone. Here’s a score update after taking JQ Garrison. Great fights, everyone. Sorry to hear about what’s going on with the siege problem. Hope Anet fixes it.

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Posted by: hex.3218

hex.3218

That’s assuming the same person is logged into the account. The gremlin was on for a lot of hours and was refreshing his siege. First it was spamming treb’s in EB keep. Then the next day the rams and arrow carts in JQ BL Garri and EB keep. It easily could have been more than one person doing this. I know it was more than one account doing the trebs.

Anyway, this has revealed that WvW balance is quite easily broken. At our level of play, once being siege capped, you are going to lose ground quickly. On two maps simultaneously and it’s a no win scenario. It’s just that simple.

This isn’t something a Dev can program around. They need real living breathing humans moderating the game. It’s the only solution that can fix this quickly.

My response to all this is, “play naked!!!” Well, at least my characters are :-)

If it’s more than one person doing this for extended hours, I fear for that town when they get to high school.

Calm Little Buddy
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Posted by: Binafus.8153

Binafus.8153

PRX quit this week guess someone needed to pick up the slack and did not.

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Posted by: Vena.8436

Vena.8436

PRX quit this week guess someone needed to pick up the slack and did not.

Not quit. “Stand down”.

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[Eon] – Blackgate

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Posted by: Israel.7056

Israel.7056

I may be confusing correlation with causation but I personally think it’s safe to say that whoever thought PRX were “nonfactors” was very wrong.

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Posted by: SFShinigami.2015

SFShinigami.2015

JQ got pretty lazy the last few weeks. No challenge.

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Posted by: Jedbacca.6297

Jedbacca.6297

I venture to these forums for one line.

Good game.

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Posted by: Fixeon.5076

Fixeon.5076

Now that it looks like BG has locked up this week. I have to ask…. Do they have enough 5 hour energy to get through reset?

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Posted by: Taldek.6105

Taldek.6105

Now that it looks like BG has locked up this week. I have to ask…. Do they have enough 5 hour energy to get through reset?

We only need a little more blood in the old alcohol stream, but we’ll be alright.

Blackgate – [KnT]

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Posted by: Hexin.5603

Hexin.5603

Hi everyone, here to your ‘good’ battles you had this week. Hoping the non-issue items subdues or is handled in future, and to all the hard work everyone put in … great job.

Congrats BG, may be early, but at this point I think I can send along a note to your accomplishment. If someone can pm me about what happened with iCoa … I’d be interested to know or understand, as I’m an old darkhaven folk and know many of them. In fact I respect many of them. But ‘something’ happened, so I’d be interested to understand what it was in private – out of respect.

Congrats to you week everyone, and keep building that gap SoR, this tier likely remains in tact for months to come, and best of luck in the coming week.

~ X [RE], Kaineng

Willing to pay for boxed expansion if you put legit GvG in the box $$

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Posted by: pot.6805

pot.6805

Now that it looks like BG has locked up this week. I have to ask…. Do they have enough 5 hour energy to get through reset?

5 hour energy stocked up! lol but seriously, I think we all know reset doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. I’ll let other servers burn themselves out on reset for a measly couple thousand lead while I rest up and avoid the Friday night Queue Blues.

BeeGee
Beast mode

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Posted by: Darkjoy.3092

Darkjoy.3092

Just give commanders the ability to undeploy siege. It’s not hard

100g to troll your server. I guess that is the current situation with half of the commander population isn’t it.

Well if they decide to troll at least it will be around a ton of people with a big blue dot on their head

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Posted by: MagiKarp.8201

MagiKarp.8201

Building rams inside their Garrison when we own it!

Hack Quarry!

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Posted by: hammer.9721

hammer.9721

Gratz on the win bg maybe jq will actually learn from the loss.one thing i hope they learn is stop farming the jp’s as early as monday thinking our asian crew will still get us the win. this week has showned us bg off peak coverage is just as strong as ours and we need to play the whole week.

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Posted by: Mohmohchan.4120

Mohmohchan.4120

lol at the memo comment)

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Posted by: allindal.8406

allindal.8406

I have so much love for our Oceanic and EU coverage. I know the NA prime time guys are awesome too, but I think we forget to thank those guys. They turned our 500+ PPT but -5K lead, into a + 10K lead overnight for the win this week. Good job everyone.

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Posted by: Zikory.6871

Zikory.6871

Ok, I’m not going to prolong or engage in this discussion. I’m sorry your upset and its been very obvious that a lot of the major guilds on BG have been vocal about there concerns on this matter and that they do not support it. Regardless if you want to compare Blackgates past to what the current guilds are trying to do, you have no way to prove what server or person is/was placing rams…

[KnT] – Knight Gaming – Blackgate
Zikory – Retired Thief
Zikkro – Zergling Necromancer

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Posted by: pot.6805

pot.6805

I’d ignore obvious troll bait posts and report ’em.

BeeGee
Beast mode

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Posted by: Hexin.5603

Hexin.5603

So what happened to iCoa, did they really disband? There’s a number of guys in there I have run with and know, and have respect for. I don’t know many or all of them, but to the ones I do know, I like. I am interested to know about this, please pm me

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Posted by: Anarkist Reese.6291

Anarkist Reese.6291

Dear BG, we at JQ appreciate all the time you’ve given us and thoroughly enjoy the amount of loot bags we’ve been able to steal off your carcass.

Earlier today, you guys were able to take our keep which was followed by one of the best JQ rallies I’ve seen in a long time. We look forward to more of your shenanigans and possible sabotage down the road.

Sincerely,
Jade Quarry

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Posted by: VerdantSF.1507

VerdantSF.1507

It would be nice if siege engines displayed the name of the guild that placed them for all to see, enemy and ally alike. Beyond the issue of this ram-griefer, I think it would be cool to see the guilds responsible for bolstering the defenses of keeps and towers.

Mitchcraft the Mesmer
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Posted by: Christos de Soufre.3802

Christos de Soufre.3802

This was a pretty awesome week, especially last night. EB was so tense. Gogo Beastgate!

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Posted by: elderan.2638

elderan.2638

I’d really like to know if “troll rams” are against the rules and a bannable offense or whether they are completely legit as far as Anet is concerned. Because if so, I can easily imagine this becoming an “eye for an eye” where all 3 tier 1 servers do it and the whole situation becomes ridiculous. You’re basically paying $60 to have the ability to burn all your opponents supply before you attack them.

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Posted by: allindal.8406

allindal.8406

I agree with Zikory. I’ve seen plenty of exploits on all sides, from every server I’ve ever faced, but more so in the past, since Anet is shoring up the holes as time goes on. It happens to everyone. You aren’t special. Cheating is terrible, most people get that. Cheaters are in the minority, coincidentally, so are people who read forums
http://xkcd.com/386/
Moral of the story is, flaming and finger pointing only gets your post deleted.

Side note: You guys at Mendon’s last night had me counting the seconds…

Blackgate
PVT Elementalist/Warrior/ Guardian

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Posted by: Israel.7056

Israel.7056

It’s also ludicrous to blame an entire server population for the actions of a few.

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Posted by: gnarkiller.1862

gnarkiller.1862

So what happened to iCoa, did they really disband? There’s a number of guys in there I have run with and know, and have respect for. I don’t know many or all of them, but to the ones I do know, I like. I am interested to know about this, please pm me

They didn’t disband. A few of their higher level members left and took some members with them, but Icoa is still around in pretty large numbers.

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Posted by: Israel.7056

Israel.7056

I agree, but its also ludicrous for an entire server to take advantage of the cheating which clearly BG did this week.

What do you expect people to do? Stop playing until Anet fixes the problem? No one even knows when that will be.

There hasn’t been any communication from the developers on this from what I can tell.

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Posted by: Liquid.9672

Liquid.9672

I’d really like to know if “troll rams” are against the rules and a bannable offense or whether they are completely legit as far as Anet is concerned. Because if so, I can easily imagine this becoming an “eye for an eye” where all 3 tier 1 servers do it and the whole situation becomes ridiculous. You’re basically paying $60 to have the ability to burn all your opponents supply before you attack them.

I’m sure it falls somewhere under their Rules of Conduct rules #1 and #22.

1) While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

22) While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people’s game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

While neither is necessarily specific, I’m sure a case could be made that such behavior violates both of these rules.

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Posted by: Irony.5203

Irony.5203

Regarding that ICoa video, all people responsible were kicked.

Also to those asking, ICoa has not disbanded

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Posted by: Liquid.9672

Liquid.9672

You guys using the quote function are just creating extra work for the Mods. Just sayin.

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Posted by: Cirus.5748

Cirus.5748

Absolutely amazing come back Blackgate, well done everyone! Every single guild that I can think of was pulling all nighters to do this, everyone was constantly working together on all borderlands, we turned around a 24k deficit with only a couple of days to go. This win goes to the Blackgaters that have stuck by their server through thick and thin, they deserve it more than anyone else.

Congratulations on your hard earned tier 1 victory Blackgate! It was a long time coming! :)

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Posted by: Spurnshadow.3678

Spurnshadow.3678

I already made a post earlier saying that I sympathies with JQ. I am very disappointed, however, that there are many ignorant players on this forum that are cheapening our hard work and potentially at this point, our fist win in T1. We kittened a little on the forums, but we mainly took the responsibility on ourselves to keep an eye out, report the person, get him/her kicked out of their guild, and constantly raise awareness on the matter. I don’t think this was a spy, but a troll. We’ve had our share. We were siege capped for weeks in our last stint in T2. We had to use golems many times to take objectives. These are just people who get off on screwing things up. I’ve taken screenshots but I’ve cleared out my files. I did, however, find one that I passed over.

KnT – Blackgate

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Posted by: kaltastic.3146

kaltastic.3146

IMHO, only a troll would have put in this much time and energy do this.

Given that they only reward for winning is bragging rights, why would anyone who cared about WvW victory spend this much time knowing it would be instantly pointed to as the reason.

We share apocalyptic views, how comforting that we see it too.

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Posted by: Taldek.6105

Taldek.6105

Who else benefited more than BG by the shenanigans of the cheater?

Nobody stands to gain more. In some way or another we all lose when things like this happen.

Blackgate – [KnT]

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Posted by: Jahn.7019

Jahn.7019

Or someone who is adamant in adhering to the rules of the game. Quite frankly, I’m surprised more people aren’t outraged about this. Why play a game with rules and systems if they are just going to get thrown out the window.

What ever happened to honor on the battlefield.

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Posted by: GekoHayate.2451

GekoHayate.2451

So what happened to iCoa, did they really disband? There’s a number of guys in there I have run with and know, and have respect for. I don’t know many or all of them, but to the ones I do know, I like. I am interested to know about this, please pm me

That is just a select few spreading rumors.

A handful of people did leave, but the impact was minimal. The guild itself is still going strong.

Havroun of Karp – Disciples of Magikarp [Karp]