Guild Wars 2

Map update please

FA and TC are 2 very evenly matched servers

IRSyKo.5843:

FA and TC are 2 extremely sexy servers

fixed.

Rawr.5930:

Crazy week

Epic fights all around and huge swings in momentum.

FA, great respect for you guys, we are so closely matched now, rivalry aside, i really like the tone both sides have largely adopted this week.

May our rivalry burn, as it makes for good fights, but may we also be able to shake hands at reset and come kill each other again anew.

Kain, thanks for the periodic beatings administered at odd times :P

You guys pop up like opportunists and smack at will, great play overall

Good luck and Good fights al

Nope, deaths to TCs.

This is getting a bit too much we have green attking us from behind and red from the front i get we are in 2ed but we are not 2ed by much. One world cant take 2 on at once and that is what effect is going on this week and last week. This is getting silly at this point.

Auriken.6805:

IRSyKo.5843:

FA and TC are 2 extremely sexy servers

fixed.

I second this motion.

Jski.6180:

This is getting a bit too much we have green attking us from behind and red from the front i get we are in 2ed but we are not 2ed by much. One world cant take 2 on at once and that is what effect is going on this week and last week. This is getting silly at this point.

That’s pretty much how WvW goes. Ebb and flow. Some days are tough. Fri-Monday were no picnic for TC.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Vagrant.1094:

Jski.6180:

This is getting a bit too much we have green attking us from behind and red from the front i get we are in 2ed but we are not 2ed by much. One world cant take 2 on at once and that is what effect is going on this week and last week. This is getting silly at this point.

That’s pretty much how WvW goes. Ebb and flow. Some days are tough. Fri-Monday were no picnic for TC.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

I get that but when one team is taking a keep and the other team is camping the spawn that going a bit too far. Its been like this every day of this week.

Don’t let it get you down because it’s actually a compliment. TC wants second badly. They know they can’t get it on their own. They are putting in overtime. FA is putting in vacation time. Kill them and enjoy the bags.

Haldunius.7864:

Don’t let it get you down because it’s actually a compliment. TC wants second badly. They know they can’t get it on their own. They are putting in overtime. FA is putting in vacation time. Kill them and enjoy the bags.

great excuse.

Asudementio.8526:

Haldunius.7864:

Don’t let it get you down because it’s actually a compliment. TC wants second badly. They know they can’t get it on their own. They are putting in overtime. FA is putting in vacation time. Kill them and enjoy the bags.

great excuse.

Excuse for what?

Okay … one thing to note. … and we talk about this all the time on TS.

TC is very good at ninja’ing our work. Basically will let us treb down a wall, and start pressuring with enough force to swoop in before we get there. We’re very aware of this, and they are very good at it. Have done it so many times on us these past 6-8 weeks, we get wise to expect it.

We hit TC hard on the weekend, not focusing at all on FA, really. To maybe see you change your tone, but alas… you won’t. And seeing that you hit us hard on Monday, very hard … we decided to focus back on you starting last night in EB. Poke a bear, see if he ignores it. Kain won’t. Did you notice when your NA squad came in to SM after trebbing, not long after we pushed you back out, TC was hitting our north gate with 3 golems and there army. It wasn’t fun at all, and things we’re looking as though we may soon be losing SM. Then we got a stroke of luck when our eye was on durious, and focusing on your seige/walls. We we’re still building our numbers and organization, and going camps, when TC took durious. Hell yes, because we couldn’t break your meat grinder on this side off the bridge.

But to ignore the fact that we hit TC hard for the first 3 days, is a little biased. Kain will hit each opponent so please stop the 2v1. In my example above, we had to defend for hours looking at the elephant in the room, with little options. But we don’t come here Jski and ask WTF?

Its frustrating whenever your fighting any downhill prolonged defense against both servers. But happens. Before FA come to play with us, we had BG.

Guess what, many … many times, we had hills, with one on our south gate and the other server on the north. TC does a great job scouting and taking opportunities where they lie. Kaineng learned that from our prior battles with BG & TC. They’ve also improved incredibly since we first fought and I see why they get the name ‘Zombie Coast’.

FA is a formidable opponent, we have high respect for you guys, and enjoy the battles. We love to fight, and learn where we can.

God forbid you partook in our BG TC Kain bay keep or hills 3 ways, those were battles where one attack became a map focused attack and fastest from rally res would win the keep. Many times, every server has to fend off both servers when there is an opportunity.

Mags once had to fend off 2 servers for 2 solid days straight. So maybe think about it a little, but I get your frustrations, and have been there before. It will happen many in T2. Need more facts that don’t include FA, but show the exact thing happening over and over all the time?

We generally walk away from those battles feeling like ‘wow, that was awesome’ … even if we lost. Trust me, I like building siege and defending SM, and you know how many times that place is subject to changing color (in general). I go down the … “we can’t hold out against this much longer” path often, but I move on and think how or what we could/should do next.

~Xgammon [RE]

We have green trebing our keep from one side and red from the other side…..
I mean its very funny to watch but that all you can do vs it just watch.

I definitely don’t think there’s any formal 2v1. It just feels that way to anyone on any side sometimes because there are 3 teams. People tend to forget that when things get heated I think. Add to the fact that TC is focused on achieving second place and you can’t help but be in the crossfire sometimes as FA. Second place is the roughest place.

Who cares. It’s T2 baby!

Haldunius.7864:

Asudementio.8526:

Haldunius.7864:

Don’t let it get you down because it’s actually a compliment. TC wants second badly. They know they can’t get it on their own. They are putting in overtime. FA is putting in vacation time. Kill them and enjoy the bags.

great excuse.

Excuse for what?

The narrowing of the score gap between TC and FA? You’ve basically said what was said with the spring break comment earlier that got everyone riled up.

Haldunius.7864:

I definitely don’t think there’s any formal 2v1. It just feels that way to anyone on any side sometimes because there are 3 teams. People tend to forget that when things get heated I think. Add to the fact that TC is focused on achieving second place and you can’t help but be in the crossfire sometimes as FA. Second place is the roughest place.

Who cares. It’s T2 baby!

I guess as long as we can stay T2 i am still thinking Kain needs to be in T1 soon and at this rate they will be.

Its EB atm its like blue’s keep has become SM at this point (where red could of taken sm at this point at the rate of green hitting the keep lol.)

Oh no, I meant in general. We got to T2 and are loving and enjoying it. We put the long, grinding hours in back in T3 to get to T2. Guilds are now enjoying some other aspects of the game in addition to WvW to keep well rounded (i.e. vacation = vacation form nonstop WvW). We are still very, very present and very competitive; we just aren’t working tirelessly – staying up late; waking up early; skipping school/work. Seems to be the opposite from what I’ve heard on TC.

Hexin.5603:

Okay … one thing to note. … and we talk about this all the time on TS.

TC is very good at ninja’ing our work. Basically will let us treb down a wall, and start pressuring with enough force to swoop in before we get there. We’re very aware of this, and they are very good at it. Have done it so many times on us these past 6-8 weeks, we get wise to expect it.

We hit TC hard on the weekend, not focusing at all on FA, really. To maybe see you change your tone, but alas… you won’t. And seeing that you hit us hard on Monday, very hard … we decided to focus back on you starting last night in EB. Poke a bear, see if he ignores it. Kain won’t. Did you notice when your NA squad came in to SM after trebbing, not long after we pushed you back out, TC was hitting our north gate with 3 golems and there army. It wasn’t fun at all, and things we’re looking as though we may soon be losing SM. Then we got a stroke of luck when our eye was on durious, and focusing on your seige/walls. We we’re still building our numbers and organization, and going camps, when TC took durious. Hell yes, because we couldn’t break your meat grinder on this side off the bridge.

But to ignore the fact that we hit TC hard for the first 3 days, is a little biased. Kain will hit each opponent so please stop the 2v1. In my example above, we had to defend for hours looking at the elephant in the room, with little options. But we don’t come here Jski and ask WTF?

Its frustrating whenever your fighting any downhill prolonged defense against both servers. But happens. Before FA come to play with us, we had BG.

Guess what, many … many times, we had hills, with one on our south gate and the other server on the north. TC does a great job scouting and taking opportunities where they lie. Kaineng learned that from our prior battles with BG & TC. They’ve also improved incredibly since we first fought and I see why they get the name ‘Zombie Coast’.

FA is a formidable opponent, we have high respect for you guys, and enjoy the battles. We love to fight, and learn where we can.

God forbid you partook in our BG TC Kain bay keep or hills 3 ways, those were battles where one attack became a map focused attack and fastest from rally res would win the keep. Many times, every server has to fend off both servers when there is an opportunity.

Mags once had to fend off 2 servers for 2 solid days straight. So maybe think about it a little, but I get your frustrations, and have been there before. It will happen many in T2. Need more facts that don’t include FA, but show the exact thing happening over and over all the time?

We generally walk away from those battles feeling like ‘wow, that was awesome’ … even if we lost. Trust me, I like building siege and defending SM, and you know how many times that place is subject to changing color (in general). I go down the … “we can’t hold out against this much longer” path often, but I move on and think how or what we could/should do next.

~Xgammon [RE]

I always enjoy reading honest perspective from the other side. I was just mentioning to someone the other day how Kain’s game changed from the BG matchup to this one. You guys are playing alot more like BG did, guarding secure points on all maps and not really initiating too much till there’s a real opportunity. Of course this is just the NA’s perspective, but in an odd way, it sort of contributes to alot of fighting between FA and TC.

People tend to forget that while 2nd place often doesn’t hold any tangible benefit in regards to the map, it can be a gigantic benefit in terms of morale, map presence, numbers etc.

More people play on ‘every’ server when their server is green, as green is ‘usually’ the server that is going to win. This encourages your casual players to join the fight.

Slightly more players will play when you are blue than will as red, for the same reason, in that blue is ‘usually’ slightly better off than red. In TC and FA’s case, we are relatively even in numbers, but our ebb and flow is determined by when those numbers do and don’t show up.

It makes total sense for TC to push for 2nd because should TC secure 2nd this week, they’ll almost certainly secure blue, and blue means a change of position in EB, and more players on the map, in addition to yet another morale boost.

It makes total sense for FA to try and hold on to 2nd because defeating TC for the first time ever will be a morale boost for them.

For KN, it makes sense to narrow the gap between 1st and 2nd, and then benefit from the battle to secure 2nd position.

Which server KN decides to focus every SEA period when both FA and TC are weak also goes a long way towards determining which server can gain points on the other in that crucial time period.

As some other folks have said above, the only way to end the status quo of KN winning each match (albeit only by a small margin) would be noticable transfers (which would either imbalance the match further in KN’s favour, or provide TC or FA an edge over each other, leaving one in a permanent third place), or for TC and FA to work together in their strong periods to minimise KN’s point gain.

Given history, that is very unlikely to happen

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Zerath.9862:

Nobody cares about KN

I love KN! They’ve got class and skill!

KN! Don’t let the bad person make you think we don’t care!!!

Auriken.6805:

IRSyKo.5843:

FA and TC are 2 extremely sexy servers

fixed.

:-D! <3

I played against a few of you RUN guys last night for a good while. You kept harassing Speld over and over. I think you had a thief/mes/eng group of three, and sometimes just a thief/mes….or something like that.

I was the little Asura Mesmer throwing confusion everywhere, trying to do yak runs for like two hours straight.

I don’t think Kain will be in T1 anytime soon yet… BG is facing the same tag team effect being the new kid on the block, and SoR ensuring we have no business taking SoR spot. Gap still far too large, unless drastic change occur.

Besides, we still learning some things, and do not want to go into the gross t1 thread. It’s pretty well, hostile at times. Not my style.

I have a lot of respect for both of our current opponents, and would appreciate another week of solid battles. Especially with the update incoming. Will be more an exploratory week than anything else.

Hexin.5603:

I don’t think Kain will be in T1 anytime soon yet… BG is facing the same tag team effect being the new kid on the block, and SoR ensuring we have no business taking SoR spot. Gap still far too large, unless drastic change occur.

Besides, we still learning some things, and do not want to go into the gross t1 thread. It’s pretty well, hostile at times. Not my style.

I have a lot of respect for both of our current opponents, and would appreciate another week of solid battles. Especially with the update incoming. Will be more an exploratory week than anything else.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1074-updated-world-rankings-march-15th/

I never could fully understand this. I just thinking kain may not want to win so much.

I too do not want to go to T1 but i do enjoy T2 a lot.

Jski.6180:

I guess as long as we can stay T2 i am still thinking Kain needs to be in T1 soon and at this rate they will be.

Actually, at this rate, they won’t be. There’s a large point gap b/t T1 and T2 right now, and both tiers are internally close enough that’s it going to be really difficult for a T1 server to lose enough points and KN to gain enough to swap tiers.

If it happens at all it will take a couple months, barring another server implosion or mass transfer.

I know KN may not be happy about that, but I for one am glad to have them around longer. Great bunch to fight against, and always have been since they joined us in T2.

Jski.6180:

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1074-updated-world-rankings-march-15th/

I never could fully understand this. I just thinking kain may not want to win so much.

The issue is that the ranking system being used, Glicko , tends create stability among the rankings, making moving up or down hard, especially once you’re in a tier of roughly equally competitors. Some things about it:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

If you fight a higher ranked server and lose, but not by much, you could still gain ranking points (see SoR vs BG).

If you fight a lower ranked server and win, but not by much, you could lose ranking points (see SoS recently).

Right now KN is fighting two lower ranked servers and winning, but the margin is not enough for them to quickly rack up the points necessary (over 100 atm) to leapfrog SoR into T1 anytime soon.

Everyone talking about 2v1, of course it will always look like that. TC and FA hate each other, we generally target each other given the option. So whoever KN decides to focus at any given moment is going to feel the 2v1 pain. Simple as that. No need to complain about it, unless some magical rainbow unicorn virus starts to infect the members of FA and TC and they start holding hands while attacking KN, that is just the way its going to be.

Well, the point that’s being ignored is that KN doesn’t determine FULLY who is in 2nd. There’s the tactic of counter pressuring.

EXAMPLE (only an example) would be if FA is focusing TCBL’s Hills. TC is trying to defend Hills, but KN comes and pressures Bay. FA then takes Hills, or KN takes Bay, or they both take each keep. So now it’ll be a 2v1 at Garrison. (Keep in mind, this can happen to ANY server, not just TC.) Do we stay and defend it? Or do we attack the lesser defended Keeps/towers in other BLs? Of course, the latter. Bait one server to go back to defend their BL, swap back to our BL and take that side’s Keep on our own BL. Jump over to the other server’s BL and take their lesser defended Nodes swiftly. Resistance? Jump back to ours and take another keep.

Of course, there’s many, MANY, more variables to that, but it helps drastically when being able to treat WvWvW as ONE giant kitten map instead of 4 separate maps. Once you develop a great web of communication it changes your perspective of WvWvW and encompasses more guilds and militia into your strategies.

haha…. lol this thread is funny, after so many days of fighting, only a couple of days ago I started seeing people saying in this thread that KN get to decide who will come 2nd…..

of course KN will keep quiet…..

Welcome to Tier 2 [AoN] lol. And [RE] good fights as always! We won’t give up!

SugarCayne.3098:

Ketharius.9018:

Of course, there’s many, MANY, more variables to that, but it helps drastically when being able to treat WvWvW as ONE giant kitten map

I love you so hard.

Kain in no position to move yet. SoR gaining more separation atm.

Personally I like this match up, hence why I tossed out both your servers name to guys looking to move over. Call it respect, or whatever. I see others doing the same for us, so it’s a mutual respect. And I kinda like that.

One way or the other, we win some and lose some. We are all fairly experienced at the WvW happenings, and frustrations. Enjoy the good moments, and wash away the bad. That example is a good tip, sounds like a commander strategy, funny how often when in battle simple exercise like that we forget, chalk it up to tunnel vision. Doesn’t just happen when zergs clash (tunnel vision), but the larger strategy too. Also cause I just want to go down with the ship till the bitter end sometimes. Lots of fun to be had see ya on the battlefield

P.S.. Love the kitten map, too cute.

~X [RE]

alright may be a bit off topic,

on WvW EB map design, is blue generally perceived as the hardest to defend…..? ’cos i heard people said so….

Which server did [AoN] join?

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

Which server did [AoN] join?

We joined FA.

emm.. it has been a while since the last score update , so here we go :

azizul.8469:

alright may be a bit off topic,

on WvW EB map design, is blue generally perceived as the hardest to defend…..? ’cos i heard people said so….

The keep? Yes.

Overall, no.

Blue has a stronger, tighter layout than red. Left side red (Speld, Anz, Mend) is very weak compared to both green and blue positions. Right side red is very strong, and OL/Veloka are easy to defend for hours even when outmanned, so long as you have about 15 people on the map and someone who knows how to counter.

Blue keep is the weakest of the three keeps in EB, however. Its design just isn’t as defensible as OL or LLK. With numbers, it’s as strong as any of them. When you get outmanned, the weaknesses begin to show. The extensive tunnel network right outside the north gate is also quite a weakness if you know how to utilise it correctly.

Langor and Bravost are both solid towers, QL is fine so long as you protect it properly. Durios is weaker than both of green’s front towers, but not as weak as Anz (the weakest front 6 tower in EB, just as Mendon is the weakest of the back 6).

If green wasn’t the server that ‘usually’ holds SM the most in match ups (which is indeed the case), the case could be made for blue, as a whole, coming closer to green in terms of defensibility, but that’s not how it goes. Not owning SM, as blue, hurts you far more than not owning it as red or green. Not owning SM as red is almost entirely negligible – nearly all of KN’s flips of Anz have been due to ram rushes or moles assault. Trebs on Anz aren’t really an issue.

Someone mentioned something about few attempts on SM earlier in this thread – when you’re red, SM isn’t really a problem, and its points value is so tiny it’s irrelevant.. Makes far more sense to go after towers while the other servers are hanging on to their giant castle – they’ll generally defend that with more zeal than they will their own 3rd.

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

Niim.9260:

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

Which server did [AoN] join?

We joined FA.

Hey, I saw you guys on Kain BL today boldly rushing into PiNK’s 40 man zerg with about 12 people. At first I laughed, but each time you ran back in I gained a more respect for you. Good on you for playing for the fight and not backing down from impossible odds! Hope you enjoy T2!

SquirtyMagoo.8321:

Niim.9260:

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

Which server did [AoN] join?

We joined FA.

Hey, I saw you guys on Kain BL today boldly rushing into PiNK’s 40 man zerg with about 12 people. At first I laughed, but each time you ran back in I gained a more respect for you. Good on you for playing for the fight and not backing down from impossible odds! Hope you enjoy T2!

Thanks for the welcome. We been in T2 before and have fought all the servers here so no big change really. We had 8 tonight when we were in KNBL.

You will fine AON to be excellent I’m sure, we have fought against them and alongside them in the past. They are an impressive bunch.

So I finally got around to posting some of the fights from FA BL from earlier this week, one of which is the infamous underwater golem fight. I didn’t capture the entire battle but that may be a good thing. Visit my youtube channel to check them out.

In roughly 2 hours all 5 uploads should be done. Raw and uncut. I would suggest not visiting until the 2 hour mark has passed. So far the short uneventful vids made it up.

AoN are quality guys. PINK you better get used to that. I can tell you from experience. Once they find a zerg the like to antagonize they don’t stop. They followed me around for like a week in EB when we fought DB. Very annoying little bunch of guys to fight.

As for this week, has probably been the funnest time I have ever had in WvW. Thanks to [RISE] for their non-stop willingness to find [RET] and try to take stuff from us, or stop us from taking stuff. The underwater battles have been hilarious (I have a deathly fear of water in this game, support necro in the water with lvl 10 gear ain’t so hot)

Reset friday was wild. I hope this upcoming reset will hold much the same way.

I’m late on getting this out but here’s what garrison looked like from my Point of View:

Just curiously was AoN originally an FA guild? i feel like ive seen em before on FA some long time ago but im not sure.

kurtosis.9526:

If it happens at all it will take a couple months, barring another server implosion or mass transfer.

Speak of the devil.

kurtosis.9526:

kurtosis.9526:

If it happens at all it will take a couple months, barring another server implosion or mass transfer.

Speak of the devil.

Uh oh somebody forgot to take their vitamin D

lol.. one guild leaving wouldn’t affect JQ…. they have endless coverage…

SugarCayne.3098:

Ketharius.9018:

Of course, there’s many, MANY, more variables to that, but it helps drastically when being able to treat WvWvW as ONE giant kitten map

Wow. You probed into the deepest memories of my mind. I haven’t seen one of those in a very very long time(the carmat or car placemat or whatever you call it). Whoever finishes in second will be a result of score manipulation by Kain. Getting stuck in the tier with a north american server which has a large Jerry army is always unfourtunate. That’s when you break out the devourer and tag people from 4000 range for bags in a NORAD build. Sure beats a heavy handed longbow spiky build in terms of gains. If I have learned anything from this match it is this: two armies can hit my keep at once but I’ll still run out the back door with a big sack of loot over my shoulder so nee-ner.

Reiven.2543:

Just curiously was AoN originally an FA guild? i feel like ive seen em before on FA some long time ago but im not sure.

They seem to be server hoppers, they were on DB not too long ago.

Jski.6180:

This is getting a bit too much we have green attking us from behind and red from the front i get we are in 2ed but we are not 2ed by much. One world cant take 2 on at once and that is what effect is going on this week and last week. This is getting silly at this point.

Oh, please, not FA’s two-versus-one crying again!

- TC currently holds their 3rd og Kaineg, hardly something allies would do.
- Kaineg has a keep in TC’s EB third and nothing in FA, hardly something allies would do.
- Kineg is attacking our EB keep as we speak, hardly something allies would do.

But, sure, sure, keep complaining about 2vrs1. Gee.

This only directed at Tallis as I respect rest of TC but how’s your bl doing we own everything but a tower

Great fighting in FA BL tonight, until the server decided to kick a ton of people – got back in to 50-points fewer PPT. Oh well thems the breaks. Here’s a vid of a battle at the Ruins at about 2:24 AM EST. Some good battles tonight!