a guardian from k[Ai]neng
3/29 Kain-TC-FA Week 4
a guardian from k[Ai]neng
One day from another reset.. Are we going to see weak 5 of: KN vs TC vs FA.
Can’t wait!
Really looking forward to one server in particular continuing to make up excuse after excuse for why they lose… or throw insults around about another servers tactics. IE) That they don’t fight in the open field, even though I can say from experience that said server not only fights in the open field, but more often than not destroys this complainer of a server even when outnumbered.
Love it when I hear others kitten about losing!
Almost 24/7 constant good fights and efforts from all servers. From my pov no one in this tier is losing.
And yes I’m from that “certain server” =)
Charr Ranger
Fort Aspenwood (www.fort-aspenwood.com)
One day from another reset.. Are we going to see weak 5 of: KN vs TC vs FA.
Can’t wait!
Really looking forward to one server in particular continuing to make up excuse after excuse for why they lose… or throw insults around about another servers tactics. IE) That they don’t fight in the open field, even though I can say from experience that said server not only fights in the open field, but more often than not destroys this complainer of a server even when outnumbered.
Love it when I hear others kitten about losing!
Your mean.
Tarnished Coast
Battling for 4, 5 & 6 out of total of 24 servers consistantly pretty much insures there are no losers in this Tier. Not taken in the context of the whole of WvW. T1 may be out of reach for all 3 of us, but given the bullkitten that goes with T1…who needs it anyway.
Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
still no clue why my account name is censored when someone quotes me, QQ
My best guess…reverse the last 4 letters of your name. Perhaps their filter can detect naughty words spelled backwards.
I actually checked this, lol. That word isn’t censored in preview.
Look at the letters taken from his name. It starts at the “n” and goes through to the 5.
The string together makes up “n”, “a”, “.” and “5” …. alltogether, “kitten” is censored. I thought it was censoring “nads” … but I can say that. If I say the last part of that sentence with the censored word in it with the quotes surrounding multiple strings, you get “kittens censored”. It took the 4 characters, plus the space, plus the “i” in “is” away. That kinda sounds like a certain socialist worker’s group that rose to power in Germany in the 40s. You know…the kittens! I had to lol. Sound it out with the “5” as a “z”.
So yeah, maybe it thinks you have THAT word in your name.
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Well, I learned something new today. Some ppl are willing to chase someone across a map to get a kill, leading me to conclude Anet buffed player drops. It couldn’t be for just a loot bag, no?
When they caught you and killed you, was there any laughing, dancing or kneeling over your face?
Doubtful, as his signature reveals that he doesn’t play on FA.
No, the 1st time it was an FA mes who chased me from Bluelake to Greenbriar, where she got me. I usually try to run from mes cause all that confusion and those clones are hard for me to take. My eng build is more for zerg support anyway.
CrSy/LaWz
Tarnished Coast Server (formerly of Kaineng)
Battling for 4, 5 & 6 out of total of 24 servers consistantly pretty much insures there are no losers in this Tier. Not taken in the context of the whole of WvW. T1 may be out of reach for all 3 of us, but given the bullkitten that goes with T1…who needs it anyway.
After 3 months in T1, i can assure you that unless you are an uber-competitive player with a love fr drama, flaming and “no fun while we are in wvw” attitude, it sucks. Sure, there were some moments, but in the end it was just not worth it. Most of the guilds burn crazy hours there. An 8 hour run is common among many commanders. The last-to-last week when BG came first, my ex-guild commander was in WvW for 20 hours up straight where we made the push on the last day. He is a crazy guy.
One day from another reset.. Are we going to see weak 5 of: KN vs TC vs FA.
Can’t wait!
Really looking forward to one server in particular continuing to make up excuse after excuse for why they lose… or throw insults around about another servers tactics. IE) That they don’t fight in the open field, even though I can say from experience that said server not only fights in the open field, but more often than not destroys this complainer of a server even when outnumbered.
Love it when I hear others kitten about losing!
I think everyone just needs to remember that a handful of players don’t necessarily represent the entirety of WvW players on their server, and especially not a handful of forumers.
Oolune :: Engineer — Arrow Of Oolune :: Human Ranger -- Shadow Of Oolune :: Human Thief
Box The Turtle :: Human Warrior — Bolobuns Of Steel :: Human Guardian
Well. Weeks done. We will be at the south camp looking to 20v20 whatever guilds decide to come by
Come join us. We can drop some magic find and farm each other.
Pm me in game around 5pm cst. I should be on. Or pm stawker.
Founder of [SIC] and Commander.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV6azSCyyjhrcNy2WAGKm7w?feature=mhee
I dedicate this to all the lovers (not the fighters) in this thread.
Mwah
I dedicate this to all the lovers (not the fighters) in this thread.
Mwah
Not to be disrespectful but with you posting that song, I think you let your age show a bit…..Mam.
Tarnished Coast
One day from another reset.. Are we going to see weak 5 of: KN vs TC vs FA.
Can’t wait!
Really looking forward to one server in particular continuing to make up excuse after excuse for why they lose… or throw insults around about another servers tactics. IE) That they don’t fight in the open field, even though I can say from experience that said server not only fights in the open field, but more often than not destroys this complainer of a server even when outnumbered.
Love it when I hear others kitten about losing!
To play for ppt you need coverage, simple as that. That’s why I got out of that game and play just for the battles. Should come fight us on even numbers.
Damage Inc. [DI]
Isle of Janthir
I dedicate this to all the lovers (not the fighters) in this thread.
Mwah
Not to be disrespectful but with you posting that song, I think you let your age show a bit…..Mam.
Haha, oh I was outed long ago
And you just outed yourself! :p
Well having a massive population advantage wasn’t enough, so they’ve recruited a few more below average zerg guilds to help boost their quantity over quality advantage
Nice try there.
On a more serious note, the only guild I’m aware of that TC has gotten recently is [ZN], who fled from FA after finding it…. um… lacking…
Tarnished Coast Server
One day from another reset.. Are we going to see weak 5 of: KN vs TC vs FA.
Can’t wait!
Really looking forward to one server in particular continuing to make up excuse after excuse for why they lose… or throw insults around about another servers tactics. IE) That they don’t fight in the open field, even though I can say from experience that said server not only fights in the open field, but more often than not destroys this complainer of a server even when outnumbered.
Love it when I hear others kitten about losing!
To play for ppt you need coverage, simple as that. That’s why I got out of that game and play just for the battles. Should come fight us on even numbers.
You do realize that you got to T2 using PPT don’t you?
You also imply that TC has had coverage which, in the past, has been ludicrous.We are slowly getting some coverage and it’s welcomed, won’t ever apologize for it.
As far as fighting you with even numbers sir, we much prefer that you have the numbers advantage, and your server does multiple times throughout the NA evening but it seems your missing it.I find it hard to believe that your missing it sir.
Tarnished Coast
Well having a massive population advantage wasn’t enough, so they’ve recruited a few more below average zerg guilds to help boost their quantity over quality advantage
Nice try there.
On a more serious note, the only guild I’m aware of that TC has gotten recently is [ZN], who fled from FA after finding it…. um… lacking…
Actually, I don’t think lacking is the word they would use. I don’t want to put words in their mouths, I know they said there was some very good and friendly people there.
The reasons they left are their own, I would leave it at that.
Tarnished Coast
Okay, so my first link for the recap video was all pewy, some YouTube issue, reuploaded and new link:
Quenta, it looks like your vidoes would be awesome except it’s all sped up. Lots of pretty colors going off all over but I can’t enjoy the actual fights.Just my two cents.
Always fun fighting you guys by the way.
Tarnished Coast
FA did not get to t2 by playing ppt, they did it by having fun. You get to tier 1 by ppt and coverage, other then that there isn’t a server besides t1 servers that know the ppt game and coverage game.
Damage Inc. [DI]
Isle of Janthir
So I try and get something fun going here and kitten forum star of the year gets all boisterous and numbers.
Well.
For those who like having fun IN game. Pm me. Let’s kill each other in a 20v20 setting.
All forum warring aside, CERN <3 you guys for putting this ridiculous kitten measuring forum contest aside. Coming out and laying down some law.
Founder of [SIC] and Commander.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV6azSCyyjhrcNy2WAGKm7w?feature=mhee
GJ Kain holding hills in FABL, oh wait that wasn’t your keep it was TC’s, and you didnt even take it just came in with your zerg, and left
getting double teamed all week sure is funI know what ya mean buddy, I got killed by 2 thieves yesterday, one from kn and one from FA and after they killed me they just ran away. This stuff just gets old! I’m lookin for you two btw!
Oh jeese. I was reading this not remembering that, and my first thought was, wow, those thieves are jerkheads.
Then I remembered it was me.
And I’m sorry. From your perspective, that had to suck.
I just really hate guardians, and from the other thief’s play style, I think we both knew it would be a draw. So I grouped with him afterward and said thanks for the help, and we went on our ways.
I was the little Asuran thief. It’s nothing personal, and I didn’t know the other guy. But it WAS funny running across this.
“Tired of OP”
Thief on FA
GJ Kain holding hills in FABL, oh wait that wasn’t your keep it was TC’s, and you didnt even take it just came in with your zerg, and left
getting double teamed all week sure is funI know what ya mean buddy, I got killed by 2 thieves yesterday, one from kn and one from FA and after they killed me they just ran away. This stuff just gets old! I’m lookin for you two btw!
Oh jeese. I was reading this not remembering that, and my first thought was, wow, those thieves are jerkheads.
Then I remembered it was me.
And I’m sorry. From your perspective, that had to suck.
I just really hate guardians, and from the other thief’s play style, I think we both knew it would be a draw. So I grouped with him afterward and said thanks for the help, and we went on our ways.
I was the little Asuran thief. It’s nothing personal, and I didn’t know the other guy. But it WAS funny running across this.
“Tired of OP”
Thief on FA
That was just my lil way of poking fukittenome of the 2v1 posts in this thread, that wasn’t the first time that has happened to me or will it be the last I suppose. I don’t take anything personal in the game hehe, I tried inviting you as you ran away but you were grouped, with that other thief!
Til we meet again, have fun.
Interesting it changed fun into “kittenittenome”, that sounds dirty. I give up, I hate these forums.
Duey Decimator – Thief
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Wow, bad filter is drunk.
“stan” backwards is a bad word?
Anywho, glad there is no hard feelings.
Dear Kaineng,
We have been very green very long now … and have very much fun every week. Just wanted to say I enjoy WvW with all of you, but I see many people who are drawing nearer and dearer to needing our treasured vistas – specifically in EB.
To WM, CO, RISE, RE, TL, Meow, SoS, and others who have leaders … at some point I think we could take a break and let the hordes fight amongst the treasure some time say when we are all having coupledrinks cough thursday midnight cough suggestion?
I would normally take the RISE route, and fortify it up … but both servers have made incredible efforts for there guys on multiple weeks now, and likely posting because it’s last resort to having to fork out 40G+ on a chancy transfer to and fro. I’m not oppose to idea laying off if lead is up enough. But always will be choice of GL’s / and Commanders at that period in time.
~ We can’t do anything for randoms players on map who not listen, but can make a doorway of opportunity one time thing ~ so long as that’s understood. You power leaders are the ones who can somehow let it happen. Both servers got plenty guys need our keep. And KN been fighting always to keep primarily cause of WP.
Both servers respectable enough too.
~X / Kaineng
Re-raising. Kaineng folk, if you are on our TS, please send our commanders to the thread or ask if something like this is possible. We all are busy having fun thursday night anyway. Can someone check or poke someone. I know some of you are reading this ~ hell we could make a three server wide fun event. SAP Box o fun, dance party to the karaoke partay.
Let people know check if possible, and someone post if it’s okay or not. All i can do here is try to raise to some of ya and hope some one can check …
~ Xgammon / Hexin [RE], Kaineng
PS .. mew … you rock … was doing daily when ya pm’d me last night on my alt.
Well. Weeks done. We will be at the south camp looking to 20v20 whatever guilds decide to come by
Come join us. We can drop some magic find and farm each other.
Pm me in game around 5pm cst. I should be on. Or pm stawker.
You’re the guys that broke off from RET, right? I think I could get a few DIS together for some 5v5s or 10v10s. Idk about 20v20s though.
http://www.youtube.com/user/skinnybeee
I can’t speak for everyone but I’m okay with a temporary truce tonight at 12pm EST. The match last week was so close we had to play instead of karaoke. It’s still very close but I’m a little burnt out and could use a night off. TC has been giving me fits these last few days >.<
Assuming my guild and GM are cool with it, I am open to coordinating a ceasefire in EB tonight for vista/POI completion. I’ll ask around when I log in, which is usually between 10:30 and 11ish EST. This week I’ve typically had solo command of EB during weeknights so people will hopefully listen to me if we end up doing this.
HOWEVER, with the scores being as they are I can’t guarantee that such an idea would gain traction. But I, for one, could use a bit of a breather. If you’re going to be commanding on either other server tonight at midnight, feel free to msg me after 11pm and I’ll let you know what we decide. IF we do this, I will want TC and KN to have relatively even PPT for the duration of the ceasefire (which probably shouldn’t exceed 60ish minutes); you guys are gaining ground fast and I don’t want to lose the match just because we decided to all bro up in EB for a few hours. I’ve worked too hard this week for that! :P
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FA did not get to t2 by playing ppt, they did it by having fun. You get to tier 1 by ppt and coverage, other then that there isn’t a server besides t1 servers that know the ppt game and coverage game.
Nobody get to to T2 without being aware and playing towards ppt somewhere along the way. If you had fun while you were doing it, so much the better for ya’ll. But you can’t separate them and still remain honest with yourself.
Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
FA did not get to t2 by playing ppt, they did it by having fun. You get to tier 1 by ppt and coverage, other then that there isn’t a server besides t1 servers that know the ppt game and coverage game.
As a player from TC… I would say I bet Kaineng would beg to differ.
I can’t speak for everyone but I’m okay with a temporary truce tonight at 12pm EST. The match last week was so close we had to play instead of karaoke. It’s still very close but I’m a little burnt out and could use a night off. TC has been giving me fits these last few days >.<
Assuming my guild and GM are cool with it, I am open to coordinating a ceasefire in EB tonight for vista/POI completion. I’ll ask around when I log in, which is usually between 10:30 and 11ish EST. This week I’ve typically had solo command of EB during weeknights so people will hopefully listen to me if we end up doing this.
HOWEVER, with the scores being as they are I can’t guarantee that such an idea would gain traction. But I, for one, could use a bit of a breather. If you’re going to be commanding on either other server tonight at midnight, feel free to msg me after 11pm and I’ll let you know what we decide. IF we do this, I will want TC and KN to have relatively even PPT for the duration of the ceasefire (which probably shouldn’t exceed 60ish minutes); you guys are gaining ground fast and I don’t want to lose the match just because we decided to all bro up in EB for a few hours. I’ve worked too hard this week for that! :P
Would it make more sense to start the cease fire maybe 90 minutes before reset tomorrow night? That way the PPT is mostly irrelevant, and the results are all-but locked in. Maybe just allow teams to keep ownership of their assets, but bash down all the doors to allow access by all teams.
I would love to get Velk, Mends, and LL vistas/poi. It’s a great idea in theory, but I think it’s going to be a hard sell with commanders overall. I’ll be crossing my fingers.
still no clue why my account name is censored when someone quotes me, QQ
“My name is a killing word.” – Paul Atreides, Dune (1984 movie)
Ziffy Snidehide, Zadie Hawkkin, Zannie Oakley, Zuulja
[ODIN],[NaCl] – Tarnished Coast
FA did not get to t2 by playing ppt, they did it by having fun. You get to tier 1 by ppt and coverage, other then that there isn’t a server besides t1 servers that know the ppt game and coverage game.
As a player from TC… I would say I bet Kaineng would beg to differ.
As a player from FA I can’t talk for anyone else but me, not sure why you think you can. Being on BG when kaineng made it to tier 2, they are completely different server. more laid back and playing the game for fun. Not being worried about having to cover extra time slots, or what the ppt is a particular tick. I believe Kaineng could make it to tier 1 if they wanted to, but instead are sitting pretty and having a blast just playing.
Damage Inc. [DI]
Isle of Janthir
A truce will probably end up like the Dolyak parade. Mostly because no one has complete control or even agreement from everyone on thier server.
Somewhere, sometime there will “always” those players who will spoil anything…just cause they can.
Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon
So… FA will be Red again… how on earth am I supposed to get the POis and Vistas on the Green side.
/paying10gtoget100%worldwillingtobribeKaineng
Thanks Sarabi, looking back I think people have been asking 3 weeks straight now.
Maybe tonight at midnight we can just port the EB map over to a dead map for a 30 min break (should give TC and FA enough time to romp into there, but communal about it, and pay it forward to eachother). That way there’s a shot at minimal resistance to walk in and out.
Still very chancy, I know likely going to have other guilds still around, so would hope it’s consensual and at least on the radar for the big guns (and they are okay with it), and yes … a one time deal. Don’t want to have every week another guy asking, and not looking to set precedent without sound understanding from other servers – one time means one time
We’ll see, when I get on later after work, I will ping Ether and other commanders… and ask around to any big guns on. Yep I’m talking about you commanders and guilds I have fun with, and respect.
EDIT: Nick … join the discussion – there’s TC and FA looking for our Vista and POI. And we’re going to check if we can do anything tonight at midnight …
guessing server time?
… still have to ask others. Would be the nicest thing I’ve ever seen kaineng do for other servers. Second nicest thing I seen in game, not telling what the first was
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A truce will probably end up like the Dolyak parade. Mostly because no one has complete control or even agreement from everyone on thier server.
Somewhere, sometime there will “always” those players who will spoil anything…just cause they can.
Yeah, the hope for it would rely on megazergs agreeing to it, and being any to squelch any small groups/individual players who want to spoil the fun.
Wuzza PPT? People time thing? Points people time? Purple people tats?
OMG, Vikings fans? Bwhaaahahaha. Go Buccaneers. (cry)
Ziffy Snidehide, Zadie Hawkkin, Zannie Oakley, Zuulja
[ODIN],[NaCl] – Tarnished Coast
I can’t speak for everyone but I’m okay with a temporary truce tonight at 12pm EST. The match last week was so close we had to play instead of karaoke. It’s still very close but I’m a little burnt out and could use a night off. TC has been giving me fits these last few days >.<
Assuming my guild and GM are cool with it, I am open to coordinating a ceasefire in EB tonight for vista/POI completion. I’ll ask around when I log in, which is usually between 10:30 and 11ish EST. This week I’ve typically had solo command of EB during weeknights so people will hopefully listen to me if we end up doing this.
HOWEVER, with the scores being as they are I can’t guarantee that such an idea would gain traction. But I, for one, could use a bit of a breather. If you’re going to be commanding on either other server tonight at midnight, feel free to msg me after 11pm and I’ll let you know what we decide. IF we do this, I will want TC and KN to have relatively even PPT for the duration of the ceasefire (which probably shouldn’t exceed 60ish minutes); you guys are gaining ground fast and I don’t want to lose the match just because we decided to all bro up in EB for a few hours. I’ve worked too hard this week for that! :P
Would it make more sense to start the cease fire maybe 90 minutes before reset tomorrow night? That way the PPT is mostly irrelevant, and the results are all-but locked in. Maybe just allow teams to keep ownership of their assets, but bash down all the doors to allow access by all teams.
Guilds need that time to prepare for reset. The hour or two before reset is just as important in some ways as the hour or two that follows.
And yes, retained ownership should be required so as not to mess with PPT. For example, if someone needs to come into our keep, they send 10 at a time from one team at a time and attack only the gates to get in. If a treb comes up, no deal. If we lose a tower, no deal. The Kaineng zerg would sit in the lord’s room, not attacking. Anyone who attacks can be wiped by FA/TC. Breaches at all desired vistas/POIs should occur within fifteen minutes of ceasefire start, so the rest of the time can be used to repair the gates and retake camps. Commanders and guild leaders from each server must party up with each other to keep tabs on the others and as a point of contact. Ceasefire duration would be from 12am-1am, give or take ten minutes or so.
Those would be my terms, I think.
12am-1am Server time 5th April?
12am-1am Server time 5th April?
No, EST
Score update please
Server-wide truces are selfish, especially during prime time hours.
Many people only have a few hours a day to WvW. To log on and find no fights because someone is organizing a PvE event is kind of crappy.
If you must do something like this, schedule it for the off-hours, like before noon.
Server-wide truces are selfish, especially during prime time hours.
Many people only have a few hours a day to WvW. To log on and find no fights because someone is organizing a PvE event is kind of crappy.
If you must do something like this, schedule it for the off-hours, like before noon.
One player’s off hours is another’s primetime.
My moves are fresh, like my groceries.
#TeamEvonforever
If I remember correctly, I have 1 POI and Vista on KN side, Sunnyhill Tower, Can I get inside there somehow without actually owning the place? I’m up for anything.
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Server-wide truces are selfish, especially during prime time hours.
Many people only have a few hours a day to WvW. To log on and find no fights because someone is organizing a PvE event is kind of crappy.
If you must do something like this, schedule it for the off-hours, like before noon.
Wat…I don’t even
They are opposite of selfish. Depending on your position. Kaineng has nothing to gain from it whatsoever. And everything to lose, but will still check if something is okay – hell even later than 9pm pst (cause EB likely be full)
I don’t have the pull Sarabi has though, but can sure as hell ask if its cool at a late night or hour or two before reset. Issue with noon and pre-reset … is most of these guys I assume work or school at that time. Late night is not such a big IRL challenge.
Nick, remove the bug or exploit crap from your comment. Last thing I want to hear is you got a 3day, and kain, TC and FA were actually was able to pull this off.
It’s done by ramming the doors down, both outer and inner on keep and running up to the vista without engaging the Guild claimer (the latter will never happen, so I would suggest give ample time for buff to wear off, and other server to come in). No kitten in around, its business. If you miss it you miss out, still would be incredibly challenging to pull off.
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Server-wide truces are selfish, especially during prime time hours.
Many people only have a few hours a day to WvW. To log on and find no fights because someone is organizing a PvE event is kind of crappy.
If you must do something like this, schedule it for the off-hours, like before noon.
They’d only need to be location-specific, like at lowlands keep from 12am-12:20am, Veloka from 12:25-12:45, and so on.. There will almost certainly be people on all sides who aren’t participating; all I can really do is try to get some people on me to escort opponents to their vistas and make sure they don’t try to gank the keep or build siege or whatnot. I’m pretty sure some fights will still be taking place for those who want to participate in them.
Also, the more I think about it, I’m not sure we could really maneuver the PPT in any meaningful way, but we could at least agree to a general status quo in EB. We really need those points, is my concern, since EB seems to be our strongest map by far this week.
Server-wide truces are selfish, especially during prime time hours.
Many people only have a few hours a day to WvW. To log on and find no fights because someone is organizing a PvE event is kind of crappy.
If you must do something like this, schedule it for the off-hours, like before noon.
They’d only need to be location-specific, like at lowlands keep from 12am-12:20am, Veloka from 12:25-12:45, and so on.. There will almost certainly be people on all sides who aren’t participating; all I can really do is try to get some people on me to escort opponents to their vistas and make sure they don’t try to gank the keep or build siege or whatnot. I’m pretty sure some fights will still be taking place for those who want to participate in them.
Also, the more I think about it, I’m not sure we could really maneuver the PPT in any meaningful way, but we could at least agree to a general status quo in EB. We really need those points, is my concern, since EB seems to be our strongest map by far this week.
I still want to see the Yak parade… The ring of fireworks around SMC last night might’ve reminded me of that. Can anyone PM me the where/when if it happens?
Guardian – Commander – Officer of Rethesis [RE] Tarnished Coast
FA did not get to t2 by playing ppt, they did it by having fun. You get to tier 1 by ppt and coverage, other then that there isn’t a server besides t1 servers that know the ppt game and coverage game.
As a player from TC… I would say I bet Kaineng would beg to differ.
As a player from FA I can’t talk for anyone else but me, not sure why you think you can. Being on BG when kaineng made it to tier 2, they are completely different server. more laid back and playing the game for fun. Not being worried about having to cover extra time slots, or what the ppt is a particular tick. I believe Kaineng could make it to tier 1 if they wanted to, but instead are sitting pretty and having a blast just playing.
I meant it as a compliment to KN.
They play a very strong PPT game overall with well thought out strategies for how they approach both the whole week and the current score.
Yes many of them are having fun in T2, but anybody who studies the overall PPT/Meta can see the effort KN puts into it.
You can deny it all you want, but KN plays for points just as much as TC does and it shows in their overall performance.
If kaineng actually played for points they would be in tier1. they play just enough of it to stay on top in tier2.
edit: When kaineng plays for points and you can see it when they played against BG, they would slaughter TC. To say they play just as much as TC is inaccurate. Go back to those scores and you can see what kaineng is/was capable of.
Damage Inc. [DI]
Isle of Janthir
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