Guild Wars 2

Im Not Braxton.6283:

Burl.9567:

Im Not Braxton.6283:

Burl.9567:

Im Not Braxton.6283:

Xaaz.8472:

Miiaah.5416:

Fuzzion.2504:

Asian timezone domination update

And that map chat is exactly why a lot want Kain here, I would think JQ REALLY wants Kain in T1 more than anyone, when 20 mans are getting steamrolled no matter where they pop thier little heads out, yes they do get bored. Not sure about the rest of the world but Spring finally hit the Pacific Northwest in NA and that has to take a toll on numbers as well, across all servers of course but if one server has 100 extra people that is really going to effect those timezones. Is is spring in Asia?

Get over it already. Kain isn’t getting anywhere near T1 unless SOR quits completely. T2 is quite close and competitive. They are where they belong. Stop asking for other servers to do what you can’t in every single post and just live with how it is. It’s unbalanced, get over it and move on. The whole game has turned to kitten, and the constant whining in these threads is pathetic.

The gap is below 100 points already. Kain will get here.

You don’t get how the Glicko system works do you?

I get how it works. SoR is doing bad for what they have shown. Which they are losing points for it. I know once Kaineng gets close they will push even harder. SoR is starting to lose moral in my belief too. They were such a mighty server like SoS.

We are about to be losing by 90k points and we only lost 10 elo. Can you image how much we have to lose by to drop even more??? If anything, SoR will be gaining elo in a couple weeks and not losing it.

Either way, I don’t know why you guys are even so far behind. I know you guys are a great server.

We stopped playing the ppt game early in the week knowing we weren’t going anywhere any time soon.

Burl.9567:

Tier 1 has the same problem tier 8 has effectively. JQ and BG are so far ahead in elo that they can’t drop our elo enough to force us out. Tier 8 has the same problem but in reverse. SF can’t win by enough to force them up and out of tier 8 because their competitions elo is so low.

That is true too.

Burl.9567:

We are about to be losing by 90k points and we only lost 10 elo. Can you image how much we have to lose by to drop even more??? If anything, SoR will be gaining elo in a couple weeks and not losing it.

And not just that. Kaineng is only going to gain 2 points this week. At that rate, even assuming we some how manage to continue to lose 10 points a week it would be 8-9 weeks before we moved down.

I love the people saying SoR is a t1 server, SoR is not a t1 server it got in t1 in a fluke of server xfers to sos/jq when xfers were free leaving them to dominate there tier and skyrocket their score. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying SoR is bad, I am saying there coverage has a hole so big you could drive a mack truck through it, during JQ’s number 1 time for point gain. Leaving for a steady blowout every week not a competitive nail biting match.

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

Orikx.9671:

Burl.9567:

We are about to be losing by 90k points and we only lost 10 elo. Can you image how much we have to lose by to drop even more??? If anything, SoR will be gaining elo in a couple weeks and not losing it.

And not just that. Kaineng is only going to gain 2 points this week. At that rate, even assuming we some how manage to continue to lose 10 points a week it would be 8-9 weeks before we moved down.

Was my point. SoR either way is still a fun server to play.

Which is why no one on SoR is stressing the score.

Last night we did all mesmer/necro night, had an entire BL full of uplevel’d necros and mesmers. Lost everything everywhere else, but it was a lot of fun playing with everyone in a fun atmosphere. The rendering was lols with the pets and illusions.

As far as KN coming to T1, it’ll happen eventually if BG and JQ gets SoR down enough points, but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying, it’s gonna be a while. And sadly, once KN comes to T1, you’ll probably only have a week of them up here because besides asian time zone, they don’t have much else. They will mitigate FOO and MERC, but then get destroyed every other timezone and won’t keep enough points to stay in T1. Look at how close the T2 matchup is.

It’s interesting situation for SoR though, having a carefree spot in T1 is a lot of fun for SoR in general. People get all the T1 action they want without any of the worry of the score or ppt.

Jahn.7019:

Which is why no one on SoR is stressing the score.

Last night we did all mesmer/necro night, had an entire BL full of uplevel’d necros and mesmers. Lost everything everywhere else, but it was a lot of fun playing with everyone in a fun atmosphere.

As far as KN coming to T1, it’ll happen eventually if BG and JQ gets SoR down enough points, but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying, it’s gonna be a while. And sadly, once KN comes to T1, you’ll probably only have a week of them up here because besides asian time zone, they don’t have much else. They will mitigate FOO and MERC, but then get destroyed every other timezone and won’t keep enough points to stay in T1. Look at how close the T2 matchup is.

Insanely close and insanely fun. Has been a great match up even with little SoR presence. SoR when they do play proves to be a great team to play against. Much respect for all three servers.

Burl.9567:

We stopped playing the ppt game early in the week knowing we weren’t going anywhere any time soon.

tkalamba.2541:

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Jahn.7019:

but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying,

I dont understand why you are not trying? What is the end goal of giving up?

Dredrum.2563:

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

I don’t get this at all. Kaineng here would make a closer more competitive match for JQ and BG, but not for Kaineng. They won’t do any better than SoR. Their coverage gaps are just as big as SoR if not even bigger.

I’m not aware of all the guilds they have on Kaineng outside of WM, but my point still stands.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

tkalamba.2541:

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Jahn.7019:

but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying,

I dont understand why you are not trying? What is the end goal of giving up?

The fact that they can stay in tier 1 and not do anything about it. They are after tier 1 which is a good enough goal. BG is after the number 1 spot which is why we push so much. JQ is a mighty force though.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

tkalamba.2541:

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Jahn.7019:

but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying,

I dont understand why you are not trying? What is the end goal of giving up?

The end goal is a lot more fun. Either way if we tried for PPT or not our ELO would barely change and we’d be in T1 for weeks to come.

By not worrying about PPT we get to have all the fun fights we want without the stress of trying to decide which keep to defend while being attacked on multiple sides.

It’s not that we’ve given up. We are still out there fighting. Just not for PPT.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

Burl.9567:

We stopped playing the ppt game early in the week knowing we weren’t going anywhere any time soon.

tkalamba.2541:

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Jahn.7019:

but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying,

I dont understand why you are not trying? What is the end goal of giving up?

We haven’t given up per say. We just stopped fretting the PPT so much.

It’s about the WvWvW not the wvw I can’t explain it any simpler then that.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

Burl.9567:

We stopped playing the ppt game early in the week knowing we weren’t going anywhere any time soon.

tkalamba.2541:

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Jahn.7019:

but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying,

I dont understand why you are not trying? What is the end goal of giving up?

To avoid burnout.

It’s not that we’re giving up, its just we realize, with our current coverage, theres only so far we can get, and we don’t need to stress and play 12 hours a day per player just to end up in 3rd again. Instead, our focus now is to just have fun, try and get some other guilds to move to SoR and just do what we want for the time being.

Burl.9567:

Tier 1 has the same problem tier 8 has effectively. JQ and BG are so far ahead in elo that they can’t drop our elo enough to force us out. Tier 8 has the same problem but in reverse. SF can’t win by enough to force them up and out of tier 8 because their competitions elo is so low.

So there for this is the truth behind this whole conversation. And may I say how mature everyone has been. I point it out cause it’s what should happen for every conversation. :|

tkalamba.2541:

To avoid burnout.

It’s not that we’re giving up, its just we realize, with our current coverage, theres only so far we can get, and we don’t need to stress and play 12 hours a day per player just to end up in 3rd again. Instead, our focus now is to just have fun, try and get some other guilds to move to SoR and just do what we want for the time being.

fair enough

Burl.9567:

Dredrum.2563:

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

I don’t get this at all. Kaineng here would make a closer more competitive match for JQ and BG, but not for Kaineng. They won’t do any better than SoR. Their coverage gaps are just as big as SoR if not even bigger.

I’m not aware of all the guilds they have on Kaineng outside of WM, but my point still stands.

I think the idea is kain will counter FOO, stopping them from racking up as many point as they are now. This giving BG and JQ a even closer match up. I don’t think any one here thinks Kain will do any better the SoR.

Fighting for kills and fighting for ppt are two very different things. One is still being done.

Score update? Thanks

Zikory.6871:

Burl.9567:

Dredrum.2563:

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

I don’t get this at all. Kaineng here would make a closer more competitive match for JQ and BG, but not for Kaineng. They won’t do any better than SoR. Their coverage gaps are just as big as SoR if not even bigger.

I’m not aware of all the guilds they have on Kaineng outside of WM, but my point still stands.

I think the idea is kain will counter FOO, stopping them from racking up as many point as they are now. This giving BG and JQ a even closer match up. I don’t think any one here thinks Kain will do any better the SoR.

I agree that’s what would happen, but I think our goals should be for a competitive 3 way fight as opposed to a 1v1.

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

^ this

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

Burl.9567:

Zikory.6871:

Burl.9567:

Dredrum.2563:

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

I don’t get this at all. Kaineng here would make a closer more competitive match for JQ and BG, but not for Kaineng. They won’t do any better than SoR. Their coverage gaps are just as big as SoR if not even bigger.

I’m not aware of all the guilds they have on Kaineng outside of WM, but my point still stands.

I think the idea is kain will counter FOO, stopping them from racking up as many point as they are now. This giving BG and JQ a even closer match up. I don’t think any one here thinks Kain will do any better the SoR.

I agree that’s what would happen, but I think our goals should be for a competitive 3 way fight as opposed to a 1v1.

I think both JQ and BG would agree with that. But as it stands now BG would need a bit more coverage in a few areas then the 3rd server (being it SoR or Kain) would have to fill quite a few more gaps. Either way hopefully that happens.

Dredrum.2563:

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

There is no one else, hate to break it to you. While SoR’s coverage is nothing compared to BG or JQ, no other server comes close either.

This is what happens when everyone stacks 1 or 2 servers.

Dredrum.2563:

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

I doubt there are any other servers in that could fill that role.

It’s going to take guilds from other servers to actively fill existing gaps. Say a few guilds looking for a challenge moved to SoR from anywhere else just to fill the troubled timeslots. It could help balance T1 to make it really close around the clock. The problem is, not many guilds are willing to make the move.

Dredrum.2563:

I love the people saying SoR is a t1 server, SoR is not a t1 server it got in t1 in a fluke of server xfers to sos/jq when xfers were free leaving them to dominate there tier and skyrocket their score. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying SoR is bad, I am saying there coverage has a hole so big you could drive a mack truck through it, during JQ’s number 1 time for point gain. Leaving for a steady blowout every week not a competitive nail biting match.

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

This isn’t entirely true. Before the SoS implosion I think we had very similar coverage to BG. SoS had better coverage then us. At that time There wasn’t a server that could stand to the new JQ so basically you had 1 T1 server and 3 T1.5 servers or 1 T0 and 3 T1 servers. Once SOS imploded though BG got a big amount of transfers again and now you really only have 2 T1 servers 1 T1.5 and 3 T2 servers. I really don’t think Kaineng falls into that T1.5 category but having not faced them I’m not sure. WM can only do so much and that is basically all Kain is at this point.

Right now without major shifts in population, example WM coming to SoR there are only going to be 2 T1 servers.

Everyone dig in for status quo for the next 3 months unless there’s another population shift or game mechanics change.

Honestly, I think the responsibility for balance will fall on multiple servers. People will need to suck it up and check their egos and force balance in T1. Whether that means some guilds from JQ volunteer to move to lesser servers to round out coverage, or other guilds from other Tiers move up, close matches and balance wont happen. T2 is currently in a unique state of decent balance and close matches. They wont want to move anywhere, so it will take either a shift within T1, or T3 servers to make the move.

This will likely mean there will have to be a coordinated effort from all 3 T1 servers to shift guilds around, as we already know, some servers are stronger in different time zones (SoR in NA, JQ in Asian, BG in Euro).

Just having Kain and SoR switch places will likely not solve anything.

Kain is not just WM, getting WM would not make SoR competitive, getting WM, Tofu and Meow might make sor competive but you are asking for all of Kains primetime players and would leave the server almost barren.

tkalamba.2541:

Dredrum.2563:

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

I doubt there are any other servers in that could fill that role.

It’s going to take guilds from other servers to actively fill existing gaps. Say a few guilds looking for a challenge moved to SoR from anywhere else just to fill the troubled timeslots. It could help balance T1 to make it really close around the clock. The problem is, not many guilds are willing to make the move.

It’s beyond that though. It’s going to take guilds in non-NA time slots moving to SoR to help. I don’t know that there are that many left on other servers except Kain. Kain blew through the ranks on WM alone so there obviously isn’t many servers out there with coverage in those areas to fight them. Unless guilds from the EU server came over.

If you only care about the good fights and not PPT and winning tier 1, what does it even matter?

That was attempted when free transfers were coming to a close.

SoS attempted to recruit only for timeslots it was lacking, JQ recruited en-masse and being a server that wasn’t already winning it got the majority of the guilds looking to find a home in T1.

When the few guilds that left SoS chose a server, it was a server that had good all around coverage and the ability to stay competitive (with JQ) – but not one that was incredibly stacked.

In all reality, as things are BG would have to pull incredible hours to compete with JQ and edge out a win, but that doesn’t mean a whole lot if as a result we’re out of the picture for 2-4 weeks due to burnout.

pot.6805:

If you only care about the good fights and not PPT and winning tier 1, what does it even matter?

Someone hasn’t been paying attention.

Orikx.9671:

tkalamba.2541:

Dredrum.2563:

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

I doubt there are any other servers in that could fill that role.

It’s going to take guilds from other servers to actively fill existing gaps. Say a few guilds looking for a challenge moved to SoR from anywhere else just to fill the troubled timeslots. It could help balance T1 to make it really close around the clock. The problem is, not many guilds are willing to make the move.

It’s beyond that though. It’s going to take guilds in non-NA time slots moving to SoR to help. I don’t know that there are that many left on other servers except Kain. Kain blew through the ranks on WM alone so there obviously isn’t many servers out there with coverage in those areas to fight them. Unless guilds from the EU server came over.

The simplest solution would be for some of the strongest timeslots of each server force balance themselves. Kain guilds moving to SoR probably wont happen. It’s going to take JQ to relinquish some of their guilds in the name of Balance, It may even take an NA guild to move from SoR into JQ to help them out in the NA. We could probably balance out T1 without having outside transfers.

tkalamba.2541:

Honestly, I think the responsibility for balance will fall on multiple servers. People will need to suck it up and check their egos and force balance in T1. Whether that means some guilds from JQ volunteer to move to lesser servers to round out coverage, or other guilds from other Tiers move up, close matches and balance wont happen. T2 is currently in a unique state of decent balance and close matches. They wont want to move anywhere, so it will take either a shift within T1, or T3 servers to make the move.

This will likely mean there will have to be a coordinated effort from all 3 T1 servers to shift guilds around, as we already know, some servers are stronger in different time zones (SoR in NA, JQ in Asian, BG in Euro).

Just having Kain and SoR switch places will likely not solve anything.

I wouldn’t want to see guilds from JQ move to even it out. I would much rather see more guilds move to BG and SoR (or Kain depending) to balance out the coverage gaps. T1 is the best of the best and it should stay that way. I would much prefer to see JQ lose at there best.

Sorry to break it down but give up the idea of a truly balanced T1 as it will never happen. It has been attempted over and over since launch. There is always something that screws it up which is why there isn’t anyone actually working towards that goal anymore. One of biggest proponents towards that goal is a BG player and even they gave up on this “dream” 3 months ago.

You will never be able to balance T1 out. That is the simple truth. SOR does not have the coverage but still does very well for what they can do. They would need a pretty good influx of guilds to be closer. The issue is if other guilds left JQ or BG, then you are just opening up hole in their coverage which does not make sense. The major reason for BG wanting Kaineng to move up is to combat JQ up time over BG, making it possible for BG to win.

Really though what should it matter? There are three great servers in T1 and there is no reward for winning so just go out and have some fun. It is just a game afterall.

Here’s what I read and you can correct me where I miss things

BG and JQ want KN here because their NA night coverage would mitigate the poor NA coverage that SoR and BG have now while the ensuring that BG and JQ’s NA primetime remains competitive. This only solidifies a competitive 1v1 T1 environment between the First and Second servers. Everyone agrees that KN would NOT pose a threat to the current battle between First and Second.

Currently SoR’s mindset is that based on ELO and the points we can get, we can field a competitive NA primetime and remain competitive for 12 hours but without burning out we can’t keep a full 3 way battle so why burn ourselves out trying. Let’s be competitive when we can. However that messes with the First and Second server’s competition since JQ has better coverage.

What this argument proves however is that T1 is not WvWvW but 1v1 with a third server to provide balance. This whole SoR vs KN is only a discussion about 1v1 balance and not the entire tier’s balance. If we wanted TRUE WvWvW then SoR NA primetime needs to merge with a SEA guild to provide mitigation of nights gap and allow for a closer PPT.

So you could complain about coverage mitigating that or you could play the game and be competitive with what you have. If SEA guilds want to play in T1 then they have two options BG or SoR because SoR really isn’t going to fall soon.

I think its awesome that the trolling has finally died down enough in this thread that decent discussion could finally emerge. Good fighting this week from all servers, I have had alot of fun. Lets make next week more of the same.

You will probably hear this in a way that is not intended. Apologies in advance.
But that seems like a lot of shuffling around, etc, in an effort to keep SOR relevant in a match they have given up competing in as is.

It would seem easier to transfer out of SOR.

True, the next server in that position might end up the same way. Possible, but what is certain is what we know right now.

What poor NA coverage of JQ and BG? Are you even playing the same match?

Dredrum.2563:

I haven’t seen the SoR server in wvw for the 2 weeks BG has been back in t1? Seriously this is a WvW matchup not WvWvW. Kain would actually bring a fight during FoO prime when SoR sleeps making T1 a much more competitive matchup. This would force FoO to either prioritize or work split on multiple maps, therefore not having the luxury of using a 60+ zerg to just backdoor any action bg takes. There is no 2 v 1 atm, that is part of the problem.

Sucks though t2 is extremely competitive atm, and will likely be 3 weeks if not more to finally get Kain to move up. Big score diff between SoR and Kain atm.

You must play at a time when everyone is asleep. Besides the past few days SoR has been there during NA primetime competing. We were also in the lead the first night after reset until everyone logged off.

Now not many are seeing a point in trying to compete when we just don’t have the coverage to win.

It’s also us seeking the competition.

Dredrum.2563:

I love the people saying SoR is a t1 server, SoR is not a t1 server it got in t1 in a fluke of server xfers to sos/jq when xfers were free leaving them to dominate there tier and skyrocket their score. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying SoR is bad, I am saying there coverage has a hole so big you could drive a mack truck through it, during JQ’s number 1 time for point gain. Leaving for a steady blowout every week not a competitive nail biting match.

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

If this were true then they would be so far ahead in T2 scoring that they would actually be gaining more in ELO than they currently are. They can’t beat the T2 servers by enough, they’d get killed by BG and JQ.

I was saying that the BG night time coverage is not as good as the JQ coverage which is what I was eluding to that KN which has good night coverage would mitigate. If you are saying BG has night time coverage on par with JQ then I didn’t realize since I only play NA primetime.

Raven Paradox.1860:

You must play at a time when everyone is asleep. Besides the past few days SoR has been there during NA primetime competing. We were also in the lead the first night after reset until everyone logged off.

Now not many are seeing a point in trying to compete when we just don’t have the coverage to win.

It’s also us seeking the competition.

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Thiefz.3695:

Here’s what I read and you can correct me where I miss things

BG and JQ want KN here because their NA night coverage would mitigate the poor NA coverage that SoR and BG have now while the ensuring that BG and JQ’s NA primetime remains competitive. This only solidifies a competitive 1v1 T1 environment between the First and Second servers. Everyone agrees that KN would NOT pose a threat to the current battle between First and Second.

Currently SoR’s mindset is that based on ELO and the points we can get, we can field a competitive NA primetime and remain competitive for 12 hours but without burning out we can’t keep a full 3 way battle so why burn ourselves out trying. Let’s be competitive when we can. However that messes with the First and Second server’s competition since JQ has better coverage.

What this argument proves however is that T1 is not WvWvW but 1v1 with a third server to provide balance. This whole SoR vs KN is only a discussion about 1v1 balance and not the entire tier’s balance. If we wanted TRUE WvWvW then SoR NA primetime needs to merge with a SEA guild to provide mitigation of nights gap and allow for a closer PPT.

So you could complain about coverage mitigating that or you could play the game and be competitive with what you have. If SEA guilds want to play in T1 then they have two options BG or SoR because SoR really isn’t going to fall soon.

Your correct in saying that kain coming up would make for a better 1v1 match. WM would make it much harder for JQ to gain the PPT they have been in BG’s gaps. As it stands now it still a 1v1 match, SoR is nto going to over take BG and at this rate BG isn’t going to beat JQ. Speculation is that the BG would have a better chance beating JQ with kain here. (Not taking anything away from SoR because if they do drop down they are going to clean up in T2) If we would want true balance all 3 servers would have to fill in the gaps to have even coverage 24/7 which isn’t going to happen. We can dream though :-)

Dredrum.2563:

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

Kain comes up so BG doesn’t get overwhelmed in Kain’s stronger time-slot. Kain gets overwhelmed during their weaker time-slot, resulting in the same thing that is currently happening to the 3rd place server in T1. Any way you cut it, the 3rd place in T1, cannot stand to the other 2 servers unless huge gaps for SoR or Kain are filled. It doesn’t sound as if you want a balanced match, just a match in your favor. Aside from the 2 T1.5 servers that get screwed in this situation, we’re also screwing over the other 2 T2 servers.

The overall best situation would be for the top 2-3 servers to assess the strengths and weaknesses of each server from spot 1-6 and spread out accordingly. Well it would be if us gamers didn’t take the path of least resistance and just stack to win like we have been doing. But stacking did happen so we have to deal with the situation, as WE have created it.

Orikx.9671:

Dredrum.2563:

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.