The video posted was called “NNK PvDoor” and was a sped-up video of them attacking nothing but gates for 6 minutes. It didn’t answer the “why,” it only showed us what was already questioned.
And Eva’s answer doesn’t really count since she left the server because she couldn’t find other people to play with when she was online. Surely if she played with these folks, she’d have a lot of friends.
I missed the actual NNK answer so forgive me
edit: so I guess we’re left with the NA chest-thumper answer about why their friends stick around. One out of four is not great.
NNK and TFV stay because they have developed a bond and trust with the existing NA guilds and players on this server. They know who they are getting their points for when they fight during their time. We have fought together for a long time, we aren’t just strangers on the same server. In fact, alot of my guild are members of NNK just like EA has some TFV members. If they leave they would know no one on these new servers like moving to a new country. They stay because this is their home. They have been here for so long no where else would be the same. Can you understand that?
I’m pretty sure they have been offered and bribed everything under the sun but still have not moved off. They demonstrate unwavering loyalty to Dragonbrand which is more than can be said for alot of guilds and people on other servers. This is what makes Dragonbrand an amazing server.
Uh, last night we were outmanned in our own borderland. 30 people my kitten
The new outmanned buff is awesome, by the way. I was solo roaming last night in our BL, and was killed numerous times, but didn’t mind it at all. No armor repairs
I still don’t understand why DB wants to recruit more NA.
Your NA population is (gasp) about as large as Maguuma’s, possibly larger at some times. Last night, we took your entire borderland with 30 people. You had 30 people, too. We had some good fights, but ultimately kept you contained to one or two towers for an hour or two.
All of a sudden, out of nowhere, 60+ come and take back their garrison. You get the west keep back, and then we hold down the east keep for about an hour. Just as suddenly as the 60+ came, they were gone, so our 30 fought your 30, won a bunch, and took your borderland again.
An hour later, this same process happens again, except this time you come back with even more. If you guys would just spread out your play to have 40 people in a borderland all the time, instead of 20 for awhile, then 60+ for an hour, you would be doing much better.
Plus, ignoring the fact that your NA presence is fine (probably stronger than Yak’s NA presence, as far as population goes), if you had even more NA, you would destabilize a relatively even fight, and jump up and down from T2 every week, like FA did for awhile, or like Maguuma did with T3/T4 for the past few months.
Tl;dr: your NA population is fine, just utilize it better.
I would really like to know when this scenario played out, because DB had the outmanned buffed last night in our own BL most of the night.
Anarai Aeonblade [GASM] – Guardian – DB
RIP my fair Engi and Ranger, you will be missed.
I still don’t understand why DB wants to recruit more NA.
Your NA population is (gasp) about as large as Maguuma’s, possibly larger at some times. Last night, we took your entire borderland with 30 people. You had 30 people, too. We had some good fights, but ultimately kept you contained to one or two towers for an hour or two.
All of a sudden, out of nowhere, 60+ come and take back their garrison. You get the west keep back, and then we hold down the east keep for about an hour. Just as suddenly as the 60+ came, they were gone, so our 30 fought your 30, won a bunch, and took your borderland again.
An hour later, this same process happens again, except this time you come back with even more. If you guys would just spread out your play to have 40 people in a borderland all the time, instead of 20 for awhile, then 60+ for an hour, you would be doing much better.
Plus, ignoring the fact that your NA presence is fine (probably stronger than Yak’s NA presence, as far as population goes), if you had even more NA, you would destabilize a relatively even fight, and jump up and down from T2 every week, like FA did for awhile, or like Maguuma did with T3/T4 for the past few months.
Tl;dr: your NA population is fine, just utilize it better.
I would really like to know when this scenario played out, because DB had the outmanned buffed last night in our own BL most of the night.
This was around 7ish? to roughly 10:30(I logged off at 10:30), I personally did not see any DB with outmanned, and watched as you guys wiped Yaks at WK, until they took it a bit later.
If you are getting outmanned during NA Prime Time, don’t blame it on numbers, but the guilds that only come in for a bit at a time, their so called, ‘Raid Times’. That’s DB’s NA problem, not numbers, but time spent WvWing. I’ve seen DB fill EB & DB BL up to the max easily, and still be attacking another BL. Then on the flip side during NA Prime time, I see your numbers vanish for a bit, because ‘raid time’ is over.
Paralda, did you change your command schedule? I haven’t seen your tag all week. Huge has busy with work to command much this week and well… not all the new commander tags know what they’re doing.
Paralda, did you change your command schedule? I haven’t seen your tag all week. Huge has busy with work to command much this week and well... not all the new commander tags know what they’re doing.
He was in DB BL last night, he had on it for a bit, probably missed him when he was eating (Fatty). El Kharno(SP?) was leading for the most of it, who did a great job.
Edit : I may have my days mixed up a bit, been knee deep in code all day.
This was around 7ish? to roughly 10:30(I logged off at 10:30), I personally did not see any DB with outmanned, and watched as you guys wiped Yaks at WK, until they took it a bit later.
If you are getting outmanned during NA Prime Time, don’t blame it on numbers, but the guilds that only come in for a bit at a time, their so called, ‘Raid Times’. That’s DB’s NA problem, not numbers, but time spent WvWing. I’ve seen DB fill EB & DB BL up to the max easily, and still be attacking another BL. Then on the flip side during NA Prime time, I see your numbers vanish for a bit, because ‘raid time’ is over.
How is it not numbers if we’re getting outmanned? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Whether or not it’s from guilds moving in or out, or pugs moving in or out, or people doing the JP’s, the outmanned buff says one thing … you don’t have enough people!
Also, it’s not like the guild raid time factor you guys are talking about is in any way a fact. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t mean it’s true. So far, I’m thinking you guys are just fond of making stuff up to suit your needs instead of looking at things objectively.
This thread has more NNK QQ than all the last 4 weeeks of YB/DB/SoS. Yaks have pretty much accepted the daily night cap, and we prepare for an awesome last stand with NNK/TFV in our towers/keeps.
Also, Maguuma’s roaming groups are comprised of 100% mesmers, thieves, or D/D eles. Very efficient at running away.
EDIT: yea meant comprised. oops
Rheayas – 80 Guardian
Guild Leader Of [LOOT]
Yaks Bend Allaince Commander [YBA]
This was around 7ish? to roughly 10:30(I logged off at 10:30), I personally did not see any DB with outmanned, and watched as you guys wiped Yaks at WK, until they took it a bit later.
If you are getting outmanned during NA Prime Time, don’t blame it on numbers, but the guilds that only come in for a bit at a time, their so called, ‘Raid Times’. That’s DB’s NA problem, not numbers, but time spent WvWing. I’ve seen DB fill EB & DB BL up to the max easily, and still be attacking another BL. Then on the flip side during NA Prime time, I see your numbers vanish for a bit, because ‘raid time’ is over.
How is it not numbers if we’re getting outmanned? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Whether or not it’s from guilds moving in or out, or pugs moving in or out, or people doing the JP’s, the outmanned buff says one thing … you don’t have enough people!
Also, it’s not like the guild raid time factor you guys are talking about is in any way a fact. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t mean it’s true. So far, I’m thinking you guys are just fond of making stuff up to suit your needs instead of looking at things objectively.
I was writing something, but half way through, I got bored, and my writing time was up.
so i’ll do a TL:DR version. TG & BP both yield huge numbers, they raid for set times then rest. That’s your problem, not numbers. When they are in DB, they have a huge group 50+. You want those numbers on during Prime time? Yell at them to stay on longer then an hour.
This was around 7ish? to roughly 10:30(I logged off at 10:30), I personally did not see any DB with outmanned, and watched as you guys wiped Yaks at WK, until they took it a bit later.
If you are getting outmanned during NA Prime Time, don’t blame it on numbers, but the guilds that only come in for a bit at a time, their so called, ’Raid Times’. That’s DB’s NA problem, not numbers, but time spent WvWing. I’ve seen DB fill EB & DB BL up to the max easily, and still be attacking another BL. Then on the flip side during NA Prime time, I see your numbers vanish for a bit, because ’raid time’ is over.
How is it _not_ numbers if we’re getting outmanned? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Whether or not it’s from guilds moving in or out, or pugs moving in or out, or people doing the JP’s, the outmanned buff says one thing ... you don’t have enough people!
Also, it’s not like the guild raid time factor you guys are talking about is in any way a fact. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t mean it’s true. So far, I’m thinking you guys are just fond of making stuff up to suit your needs instead of looking at things objectively.
I was writing something, but half way through, I got bored, and my writing time was up.
so i’ll do a TL:DR version. TG & BP both yield huge numbers, they raid for set times then rest. That’s your problem, not numbers. When they are in DB, they have a huge group 50+. You want those numbers on during Prime time? Yell at them to stay on longer then an hour.
Also, BroNade <3
& PS, we wiped the group that was at garri last night half 1/4 of the numbers.
and I may have left some bacon next to the forge, you can keep it.
This was around 7ish? to roughly 10:30(I logged off at 10:30), I personally did not see any DB with outmanned, and watched as you guys wiped Yaks at WK, until they took it a bit later.
If you are getting outmanned during NA Prime Time, don’t blame it on numbers, but the guilds that only come in for a bit at a time, their so called, ‘Raid Times’. That’s DB’s NA problem, not numbers, but time spent WvWing. I’ve seen DB fill EB & DB BL up to the max easily, and still be attacking another BL. Then on the flip side during NA Prime time, I see your numbers vanish for a bit, because ‘raid time’ is over.
How is it not numbers if we’re getting outmanned? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Whether or not it’s from guilds moving in or out, or pugs moving in or out, or people doing the JP’s, the outmanned buff says one thing … you don’t have enough people!
Also, it’s not like the guild raid time factor you guys are talking about is in any way a fact. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t mean it’s true. So far, I’m thinking you guys are just fond of making stuff up to suit your needs instead of looking at things objectively.
I was writing something, but half way through, I got bored, and my writing time was up.
so i’ll do a TL:DR version. TG & BP both yield huge numbers, they raid for set times then rest. That’s your problem, not numbers. When they are in DB, they have a huge group 50+. You want those numbers on during Prime time? Yell at them to stay on longer then an hour.
Also, BroNade <3
You know so much about my guild (BP), than I do, dear sir. When we raid (which is at least 4 times a week), it’s at least for 3 hours and usually stretches beyond 5 hours. A few of us are always in WvW, irrespective of official raids. And oh, we do drunken raids on Friday night, which I didn’t count above.
We do unofficial raids too. Last night, there were about 12 of us that ran in the night, constantly outmanned. Not complaining, since being outmanned is great in terms of fun and learning. Just saying. We ran until 2AM in the night (EST), until everyone went to sleep, after which I roamed solo was an hour, dying more than killing
As Mister Mustard said, nice theories. Keep ’em coming
I was writing something, but half way through, I got bored, and my writing time was up.
so i’ll do a TL:DR version. TG & BP both yield huge numbers, they raid for set times then rest. That’s your problem, not numbers. When they are in DB, they have a huge group 50+. You want those numbers on during Prime time? Yell at them to stay on longer then an hour.
Also, BroNade <3
Let’s try Occam’s Razor:
Which is more likely?
Dragonbrand is a little short on the NA population.
or
Dragonbrand’s guilds all log in at the same time, for an hour only, and log off after smashing their faces against the infinitely more talented Maguuma roaming guilds?
Again, you can make up stuff all you want to. It doesn’t make it reality.
This was around 7ish? to roughly 10:30(I logged off at 10:30), I personally did not see any DB with outmanned, and watched as you guys wiped Yaks at WK, until they took it a bit later.
If you are getting outmanned during NA Prime Time, don’t blame it on numbers, but the guilds that only come in for a bit at a time, their so called, ‘Raid Times’. That’s DB’s NA problem, not numbers, but time spent WvWing. I’ve seen DB fill EB & DB BL up to the max easily, and still be attacking another BL. Then on the flip side during NA Prime time, I see your numbers vanish for a bit, because ‘raid time’ is over.
How is it not numbers if we’re getting outmanned? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Whether or not it’s from guilds moving in or out, or pugs moving in or out, or people doing the JP’s, the outmanned buff says one thing … you don’t have enough people!
Also, it’s not like the guild raid time factor you guys are talking about is in any way a fact. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t mean it’s true. So far, I’m thinking you guys are just fond of making stuff up to suit your needs instead of looking at things objectively.
You’re right, it is numbers. It is not, however, population.
Blah blah blah, raid times, blah blah blah, spread your doodz out more.
This thread has more NNK QQ than all the last 4 weeeks of YB/DB/SoS. Yaks have pretty much accepted the daily night cap, and we prepare for an awesome last stand with NNK/TFV in our towers/keeps.
Also, Maguuma’s roaming groups are compromised of 100% mesmers, thieves, or D/D eles. Very efficient at running away.
I’m the lone roaming engi out there- I am the 1% :O
Some guy on a bunch of servers, mostly Mag
Former top 50 spvp engi main.
I was writing something, but half way through, I got bored, and my writing time was up.
so i’ll do a TL:DR version. TG & BP both yield huge numbers, they raid for set times then rest. That’s your problem, not numbers. When they are in DB, they have a huge group 50+. You want those numbers on during Prime time? Yell at them to stay on longer then an hour.
Also, BroNade <3
Let’s try Occam’s Razor:
Which is more likely?
Dragonbrand is a little short on the NA population.
or
Dragonbrand’s guilds all log in at the same time, for an hour only, and log off after smashing their faces against the infinitely more talented Maguuma roaming guilds?
Again, you can make up stuff all you want to. It doesn’t make it reality.
+1
Anarai Aeonblade [GASM] – Guardian – DB
RIP my fair Engi and Ranger, you will be missed.
Also, Maguuma’s roaming groups are compromised of 100% mesmers, thieves, or D/D eles.
Is it surprising that roaming groups would be made up of the classes generally considered to be the best at roaming?
You mean best at running =P
No, that isn’t what I mean. You didn’t answer my question.
No it is not surprising and it makes sense, because I said “Very efficient at running away”. But yes, they move fast and are better for roaming. Since YB is behind in forum PVP points, I thought I would say it with a hint of contempt.
Rheayas – 80 Guardian
Guild Leader Of [LOOT]
Yaks Bend Allaince Commander [YBA]
This thread has more NNK QQ than all the last 4 weeeks of YB/DB/SoS. Yaks have pretty much accepted the daily night cap, and we prepare for an awesome last stand with NNK/TFV in our towers/keeps.
Also, Maguuma’s roaming groups are compromised of 100% mesmers, thieves, or D/D eles. Very efficient at running away.
I’m the lone roaming engi out there- I am the 1% :O
This thread has spiraled into the abyss many pages ago, but still entertaining to read.
Dragonbrand’s Asian Crew has stuck with us while we stuck with them all the way down to the lower tiers before rising back up (all of which was during free transfers). They have had many offers to transfer but they stay.
My guess is, Dragon’s are a big part of Asian culture and our name is better than yours. End of Story, I solved the puzzle and divided by zero at the same time.
This thread has spiraled into the abyss many pages ago, but still entertaining to read.
Dragonbrand’s Asian Crew has stuck with us while we stuck with them all the way down to the lower tiers before rising back up (all of which was during free transfers). They have had many offers to transfer but they stay.
My guess is, Dragon’s are a big part of Asian culture and our name is better than yours. End of Story, I solved the puzzle and divided by zero at the same time.
This was around 7ish? to roughly 10:30(I logged off at 10:30), I personally did not see any DB with outmanned, and watched as you guys wiped Yaks at WK, until they took it a bit later.
If you are getting outmanned during NA Prime Time, don’t blame it on numbers, but the guilds that only come in for a bit at a time, their so called, ‘Raid Times’. That’s DB’s NA problem, not numbers, but time spent WvWing. I’ve seen DB fill EB & DB BL up to the max easily, and still be attacking another BL. Then on the flip side during NA Prime time, I see your numbers vanish for a bit, because ‘raid time’ is over.
How is it not numbers if we’re getting outmanned? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Whether or not it’s from guilds moving in or out, or pugs moving in or out, or people doing the JP’s, the outmanned buff says one thing … you don’t have enough people!
Also, it’s not like the guild raid time factor you guys are talking about is in any way a fact. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t mean it’s true. So far, I’m thinking you guys are just fond of making stuff up to suit your needs instead of looking at things objectively.
I was writing something, but half way through, I got bored, and my writing time was up.
so i’ll do a TL:DR version. TG & BP both yield huge numbers, they raid for set times then rest. That’s your problem, not numbers. When they are in DB, they have a huge group 50+. You want those numbers on during Prime time? Yell at them to stay on longer then an hour.
Also, BroNade <3
You know so much about my guild (BP), than I do, dear sir. When we raid (which is at least 4 times a week), it’s at least for 3 hours and usually stretches beyond 5 hours. A few of us are always in WvW, irrespective of official raids. And oh, we do drunken raids on Friday night, which I didn’t count above.
We do unofficial raids too. Last night, there were about 12 of us that ran in the night, constantly outmanned. Not complaining, since being outmanned is great in terms of fun and learning. Just saying. We ran until 2AM in the night (EST), until everyone went to sleep, after which I roamed solo was an hour, dying more than killing
As Mister Mustard said, nice theories. Keep ’em coming
How is that contradicting what he just said? You basically confirmed it. So you have 3-5 hour raids several times a week but that’s not every day and 3-5 hours != primetime. On a night with no official raid you were constantly outmanned. If two of your larger WvW guilds operate like this it’s going to be irregular coverage with some days and points in time where you’re outnumbered.
It may also be numbers but during a time when you need to shift towards the defensive, supposedly because of population, an uneven distribution of forces like that can’t be the best way to do it. Can it?
Some DB guilds have “raid times” to combat getting burned out. Constantly WvWing and nothing else leads to a quicker way of losing numbers for a longer period of time. This happened with [EA] during our climb back up, lost a lot of people to burn out who have since stopped WvW and GW2 all together.
[EA] has official raids 3-4 times a week where we can field close to 50 for 5+ hours. In between official raids, the hardcore WvW masochists in [EA] can field 15-20 at any given moment.
Honestly though, if all the DB NA guilds raided at the same time, you guys would probably QQ about that, too. Then what? kitten if you do, kitten if you don’t.
Dragonbrand’s guilds all log in at the same time, for an hour only, and log off after smashing their faces against the infinitely more talented Maguuma roaming guilds?
Again, you can make up stuff all you want to. It doesn’t make it reality.
Pls….your roamers excel at wiping
Pro-Tip: if you bring more than escape skills to fight, you can do more than escape from it
If DB think they have it hard during NA timezone they should try being on MAG during SEA.
DB doesn’t “have it hard” at any time vs. Maguuma. Occasionally they manage to gain a moderate point lead for an hour or two. And they point to that and say, “look look! If if , but but, QQ!”
pro-tip for Mags PvF champs: Stop complaining and enjoy the game. Learn from Yak’s.
We like our server. We like our Asian presence, and we don’t mind being outmanned during NA prime hours. We struggle, but we fight, and enjoy it while we do.
End of world, someone said? Mayan ancestors, I presume?
If DB think they have it hard during NA timezone they should try being on MAG during SEA.
DB doesn’t “have it hard” at any time vs. Maguuma. Occasionally they manage to gain a moderate point lead for an hour or two. And they point to that and say, “look look! If if , but but, QQ!”
I dunno about you, but I’d consider losing all three keeps on my borderlands having it hard…I guess it’s just a difference of opinion.
pro-tip for Mags PvF champs: Stop complaining and enjoy the game. Learn from Yak’s.
We like our server. We like our Asian presence, and we don’t mind being outmanned during NA prime hours. We struggle, but we fight, and enjoy it while we do.
End of world, someone said? Mayan ancestors, I presume?
Dragonbrand’s guilds all log in at the same time, for an hour only, and log off after smashing their faces against the infinitely more talented Maguuma roaming guilds?
Again, you can make up stuff all you want to. It doesn’t make it reality.
Pls….your roamers excel at wiping
Pro-Tip: if you bring more than escape skills to fight, you can do more than escape from it
Nuclear science, I know
Please name a profession and an escape skill they shouldn’t bring.
Dragonbrand’s guilds all log in at the same time, for an hour only, and log off after smashing their faces against the infinitely more talented Maguuma roaming guilds?
Again, you can make up stuff all you want to. It doesn’t make it reality.
Pls….your roamers excel at wiping
Pro-Tip: if you bring more than escape skills to fight, you can do more than escape from it
Nuclear science, I know
Please name a profession and an escape skill they shouldn’t bring.
Hope not… I’d like to see Yak’s stay. They’re a jolly organized bunch, and can really surprise everyone with their tenaciousness. We’ve learned not to take them lightly. My personal opinion is that Yak’s are stronger than Mags (PvF warriors, please don’t start another war here, it’s my personal opinion). I think they can be #8 for a long time, or maybe even #7 with their current strength.
