Guild Wars 2

Based on complaints I’ve seen as recently as 2 seconds ago, some people have no clue about some of the changes that have been made to the map. Allow me to bring you all up to speed so that you can complain more accurately~

1.) Shrine effects are annoying because fire turrets, birds that blow you off of cliffs and invisible zergs.

-None of that stuff exists anymore. Instead, when you hold three shrines, you can essentially teleport from one shrine to another. At Airkeep, you transform into an eagle and fly to a new shrine. It’s exhilarating. I absolutely recommend trying it when you get the chance.

2.) It’s impossible to get anywhere without jumping off of a cliff.

-This was actually never true. You can get from any point to any other point by following a road that never goes near a cliff. There are also some cliffside roads that are totally optional. The only cliff you have to jump off of is in Rampart if you’re trying to leave to the south. Even then, it’s just a shortcut, but some stairs would be nice.

3.) Small groups can’t take big objectives.

-Not long after it came out, tier 2 and 3 Tower defenses were weakened to make them less impervious to small group attack. As for Keeps, you’re able to hit them without being as exposed as the day you were born, which offers ample opportunity for the creative havoc squad.

4.) Objectives reach tier 3 in 3 hours.

-This one is a bit tricky since objectives upgrade at different rates. North East tower is served by 2 Yaks with routes that take 3:57 and 3:54 to run. That’s roughly 2 Yaks every 4 minutes. It takes 140 Yaks to hit tier 3 so, if no Yaks or camps are hit and all sentries remain allied, it should take 280m. That means, unless Speedy Yaks are used, the minimum time to hit tier 3 for NET is 4 hours and 40m.

For Airkeep, it’s also served by 2 Yaks (note, on ABL side keeps are served by 3 Yaks). Their routes take 3:14 and ~2:10. The optimal time to tier 3 comes out to about 3 hours.

I don’t have exact times for SC Yaks atm, but I can say that for a south tower, time to tier 3 is even less than 3 hours. In general, the further south an objective is, the faster it upgrades. At the same time, it’s more vulnerable to enemy attack.

5.) It takes forever to run anywhere

-Again, this one is slightly tricky. Run times from Rampart WP to a side keep lord room are about 30% longer without shrines. With them, they’re about the same. Meanwhile, the time it takes to break into lord room from an enemy spawn is over 100% longer. Run times between north and south camps are almost identical to Alpine. Run times from enemy spawns to side keeps are longer. Run times from Rampart WP to a south camp are similar. Run times from SWT to Firekeep are much greater while SET to Airkeep are slightly larger. On top of that, DBL has an easy to get MS buff that allows any class greater mobility.

Still, when attempting to take shortcuts around Undercroft especially, it’s easy to get lost in the stairways if you aren’t familiar with the territory. You never have to go that way to get an optimal run time from one objective to another, though.

If there’s another change you feel is important, feel free to point it out. Otherwise, have fun~

Sviel.7493:

3.) Small groups can’t take big objectives.

-Not long after it came out, tier 2 and 3 Tower defenses were weakened to make them less impervious to small group attack. As for Keeps, you’re able to hit them without being as exposed as the day you were born, which offers ample opportunity for the creative havoc squad.

Hm? Please be more specific on how T2/T3 towers where weakened and how it affected small scale. I might have completely forgotten it but last I checked they only reduced the cost of catas and rams by a small amount which doesnt really affect high tier objectives that much since you still need 15+ people to build enough siege, 1 superior cata on T1 is the same as 4 superior catas on T3. And thats against undefended objectives, superior AC as still as OP. If they did tweak wall/door hp it hasnt made a difference.

Point 5 isnt tricky at all. DBL is much wider and noticably larger than ABL. You cant see hills/bay from the southern towers any more than you can see garri from the northern ones. Runtime from SW tower lord to bay doors on ABL is about the distance of SW tower lord to the sentry on DBL and you are still only a third of the way to bay.

Also there are still fire turrets/wind etc.

Dawdler.8521:

Also there are still fire turrets/wind etc.

They’re still on the map and landscape, but they’ll never on, even when you’ve got the three shrines. Fire turrets never fire, blowing turrets never blow. Have a look on the wiki for shrines of fire and shrines of air

It’s been this since the update that was released in February the 8th . Here’s the quote :

Shrine bonuses have been rearranged and changed in the Desert borderlands. The last shrine bonus for each shrine is now a themed jump pad that will allow players to travel from one shrine to the next. These jump pads will make it easier for players to traverse the area.
Shrine of Earth:
* Activates lodestones that grant protection and stability to allies. This is used to cripple enemies.

• A sandstorm that reveals all enemies.
• Asura launch pads that launch players to all the shrines and inside the keep itself.

Shrine of Fire:

• Inferno Hound :
  • Increased the movement speed of the hound.
  • Added swiftness to skill 3.
• The Flame’s Embrace effect allows players to walk on lava. It functions the same as it used to but is now the second bonus instead of the third.
• Fire tornadoes that launch players to all of the shrines.

Shrine of Air:

• Air jump pads that allow players to jump to high ledges at various places in the keep. No changes were made to this bonus.
• The Windfall effect allows players to not take fall damage while near the keep. This functions the same as it used to but is now the second bonus instead of the third.
• Eagle clouds that transform players into eagles so they can glide to each shrine

Thanks for repeating it… it’s really a pity because once people decided they don’t like DBL, they kept at it, even though a lot got better.

Sviel.7493:

-None of that stuff exists anymore. Instead, when you hold three shrines, you can essentially teleport from one shrine to another. At Airkeep, you transform into an eagle and fly to a new shrine. It’s exhilarating. I absolutely recommend trying it when you get the chance.

I’d quite like this changed a little bit and have the east and west Garrison shrines enable you to stop inside the keep aswell so that you could also move very quickly from Garrisons to Fire/Air keeps and northern towers/camps

A capture message would also be good, similar to the towers/camps, when you take all 3 shrines telling you that fast travel is now enabled would probably help the uptake of the use of the fire portal,flying eagles and jumpads since virtually no-one seems to know about some of them

Please don’t confuse us with facts…

ThomasC.1056:

Dawdler.8521:

Also there are still fire turrets/wind etc.

They’re still on the map and landscape, but they’ll never on, even when you’ve got the three shrines. Fire turrets never fire, blowing turrets never blow. Have a look on the wiki for shrines of fire and shrines of air

It’s been this since the update that was released in February the 8th . Here’s the quote :

Shrine bonuses have been rearranged and changed in the Desert borderlands. The last shrine bonus for each shrine is now a themed jump pad that will allow players to travel from one shrine to the next. These jump pads will make it easier for players to traverse the area.
Shrine of Earth:
* Activates lodestones that grant protection and stability to allies. This is used to cripple enemies.

• A sandstorm that reveals all enemies.
• Asura launch pads that launch players to all the shrines and inside the keep itself.

Shrine of Fire:

• Inferno Hound :
  • Increased the movement speed of the hound.
  • Added swiftness to skill 3.
• The Flame’s Embrace effect allows players to walk on lava. It functions the same as it used to but is now the second bonus instead of the third.
• Fire tornadoes that launch players to all of the shrines.

Shrine of Air:

• Air jump pads that allow players to jump to high ledges at various places in the keep. No changes were made to this bonus.
• The Windfall effect allows players to not take fall damage while near the keep. This functions the same as it used to but is now the second bonus instead of the third.
• Eagle clouds that transform players into eagles so they can glide to each shrine

Fairly sure I have seen turrets shoot even after the patch, but granted I may be mistaken on that – its not like we play on DBL so details can be fuzzy.

@Dawdler

Unfortunately, when they noted they were toning down tower defenses they didn’t give specific numbers. I also didn’t do before/after time trials so I can’t offer anything more concrete on that point.

As for turrets, as of last night they were doing nothing even with all shrines capped. It actually took me a few days to notice.

Maybe the nerf to hardened gates upgrade was noted as toning down tower defenses?

@Samug if you bothered to read his actual post instead of just his title, you’d notice that he is defending DBL, not trying to get rid of it.

I tend to be one of those that focuses on defense of ones home BL before moving to another . That said if DBL not in the defensive rotation and the home BL safe, I tend to find raiding the enemy with the DBL much more fun.

There are a number of reasons for this including the layout of the maps which allow for multiple entry points into an enemies territory along with less effective sentries to act as spotters for the same. As example om home BL if I see the sentry on NE road flip and those orange dots, nine times out of ten they head to NC. Port in with a group meet them and it done. DBL forces you to rely more on those scouts on the ground than does Alpine.

I am rather fond of the shrines and especially when defending. Air Keep a favorite and especially the airfall trait. It always worth a chuckle when you flip that SWC only to see a group of enemy come from spawn and your way. Run to the cliffs edge and jump. It has been more then a few times I have been followed by a handful of the same, soon dead.

I like the complexity of the inner keeps and especially from a defensive perspective. It makes it harder for en enemy to defend all the entry points this making it easier for me to get to our defenses. The same holds true of the towers. Since they all have two gates from which one can enter, defenders can get inside the tower without running a gauntlet of AOE that exists at the single entry of the Alpine towers, If a group wants to prevent a tower from being renforced as they siege it, they have to split up to cover that other gate.

The overall layout of the map IMHO leads to a wider variety of fights , and as thers have pointed out break up the blob mentality. I find the battles more freewheeling.

To the claim that the overwhelming majoirty" prefer the Alpine Border lands. This in my opinion is related to the fact that the overwhelming majority prefer to roam in the blob, made evident by the existence of the blob. It has nothing to do with "the map too complex or hard to get around’ EBG is more complex then alpine yet more people prefer it because that is where most of the blobs are.

Players don’t like EBG over Alpine’s because it’s more complex.

EBG has more structures, they’re closer, it’s easy to get around like alpines, it’s got a lot of areas to have open fights or chokes for positional fights, and none of them felt stupid like when you get stuck on a plant on the ground(other than that step in north dredge), it’s got it’s central structure that constantly attracts fights from 3 sides. Both maps provide a much smoother experience in meeting your enemies, moving around, fighting, and counter play. That’s why players prefer it.

When you put in stuff to interrupt that experience like spacing out structures, high cliffs and tight passages, areas filled with obstacles, and then have to put in gimmicks to counter it, thus making the experience of meeting enemies, moving around, fighting and counter play much less enjoyable and annoying, obviously players will hate it more than love it.

Obviously with structures closer it’s harder for havoc teams to operate in EBG with faster response times and why it’s easier for “blobs” to exist there, and why smaller groups mostly sit in borderlands. Desert was built to try and break up the big groups, congratulations, it worked, can’t come in here to complain about less players when that was the purpose of the map, especially when the expansion also screwed over those small groups.

There’s a certain annoyance to desert borderland that probably won’t ever go away, even it’s theme alone can be an annoyance to players. No different than tangled depths, a lot of players hated that map even after the changes.

The cliffs, ledges, pillars and things around objectives are what make DBL fun, IMO. I love fighting between the pillars on west keep inner, or on top of the narrow ledges above them. I love pulling people off the cliffs at east keep and line-of-sight-ing around stairwells. It’s more interesting than the usual zerg vs zerg that happens on EBG every day.

coro.3176:

The cliffs, ledges, pillars and things around objectives are what make DBL fun, IMO. I love fighting between the pillars on west keep inner, or on top of the narrow ledges above them. I love pulling people off the cliffs at east keep and line-of-sight-ing around stairwells. It’s more interesting than the usual zerg vs zerg that happens on EBG every day.

That’s so true. Some other day, I cast a little pack of enemies trying to use a cata down the litle bridge at west air shrine, using point blank shot. I think I pitch one of them like 3 times. Poor little fella. I bet he went straight away in the forums asking for the map to be removed afterwards.

Sviel.7493:

Allow me to bring you all up to speed so that you can complain more accurately~

I needed a good chuckle….lol. This quote wins the forum today, imo.

Recent changes have made it less awful, but it’s still such a hassle compared to ABL.

My friend showed me the eagle jumpy thing the other day and it was neat, we hopped/flew around a bit, found no enemies after about 10 minutes, went to ABL and found a fight 30 seconds after leaving Bay…0/10 would eagle again.

At this point it’s a kind of negative feedback loop with no one wanting to play it causing people to not want to play it.

Guess I must be an exception, as I see people in dbl all the time when I am roaming. /shrug

Deaeira.2651:

Thanks for repeating it… it’s really a pity because once people decided they don’t like DBL, they kept at it, even though a lot got better.

If you don’t like liver, it doesn’t matter if a 5 star chef makes the best liver every done by human kind, you still don’t like liver.

The desert bl is that crappy. (though I do like liver)

It depends on the match-up. On my server, DBL is always active, or at least as active as the other BLs. Currently, according to the killcount metric that’s all the rage these days, it’s in second place. I was on several hours yesterday and didn’t have a moment of peace.

To be fair, ABL was also active when we had it last week. We have plenty of people who prefer to be on BLs. The difference between the two for me is less about population and more about gameplay. Here, I much favor DBL.

Teon.5168:

Guess I must be an exception, as I see people in dbl all the time when I am roaming. /shrug

So do I, so you’re not an exception.

Blockhead Magee.3092:

Deaeira.2651:

Thanks for repeating it… it’s really a pity because once people decided they don’t like DBL, they kept at it, even though a lot got better.

If you don’t like liver, it doesn’t matter if a 5 star chef makes the best liver every done by human kind, you still don’t like liver.

The desert bl is that crappy. (though I do like liver)

Fair enough. I’d add that if you don’t like liver, you don’t demonstrate every week in front of that restaurant which serves the best liver in the world to ask it to be removed from the menu because you think liver is crap and nobody could possibly enjoy such a dish.

And yet, that’s what happens with DBL.

ThomasC.1056:

Teon.5168:

Guess I must be an exception, as I see people in dbl all the time when I am roaming. /shrug

So do I, so you’re not an exception.

Blockhead Magee.3092:

Deaeira.2651:

Thanks for repeating it… it’s really a pity because once people decided they don’t like DBL, they kept at it, even though a lot got better.

If you don’t like liver, it doesn’t matter if a 5 star chef makes the best liver every done by human kind, you still don’t like liver.

The desert bl is that crappy. (though I do like liver)

Fair enough. I’d add that if you don’t like liver, you don’t demonstrate every week in front of that restaurant which serves the best liver in the world to ask it to be removed from the menu because you think liver is crap and nobody could possibly enjoy such a dish.

And yet, that’s what happens with DBL.

Lots of posters here also seem to have completely forgotten that DBL poll that was taken long ago by Anet. The playerbase decided on the current configuration of 2 abls and 1 dbl. And that poll was taken before most of the really nice changes to dbl.

If you hate DBL so much, then just don’t play it. Simple as that.

.. so they don’t play it (see kill/death statistics), and to be honest, it is pretty empty.

They should give everyone a free waypoint to the oasis. Maybe that’d encourage more to come play.

Teon.5168:

ThomasC.1056:

Teon.5168:

Guess I must be an exception, as I see people in dbl all the time when I am roaming. /shrug

So do I, so you’re not an exception.

Blockhead Magee.3092:

Deaeira.2651:

Thanks for repeating it… it’s really a pity because once people decided they don’t like DBL, they kept at it, even though a lot got better.

If you don’t like liver, it doesn’t matter if a 5 star chef makes the best liver every done by human kind, you still don’t like liver.

The desert bl is that crappy. (though I do like liver)

Fair enough. I’d add that if you don’t like liver, you don’t demonstrate every week in front of that restaurant which serves the best liver in the world to ask it to be removed from the menu because you think liver is crap and nobody could possibly enjoy such a dish.

And yet, that’s what happens with DBL.

Lots of posters here also seem to have completely forgotten that DBL poll that was taken long ago by Anet. The playerbase decided on the current configuration of 2 abls and 1 dbl. And that poll was taken before most of the really nice changes to dbl.

If you hate DBL so much, then just don’t play it. Simple as that.

Nice alternative facts there.

Here’s the history in case you all forgot.

Players were tired of two WvW maps, complained that WvW was stagnant.
Anet brings out DBL, replacing ABL. Players hate map.
Poll #1 asks players if you want to keep DBL, or go back to three ABL maps players complained about. Voting to keep DBL would mean a third map would be done.
Players voted to keep DBL so new map would be done, which was better than three ABL maps that we’ve had since launch.

Poll #2 asked what kind of rotation they would like with DBL.
The winner was two ABL and one DBL because that was the lowest number of DBL maps.

Still no new map.

So the real facts of DBL is that players voted for DBL so that a third BL map would be done and the players voted for only one DBL map because it was the best choice available.

Alpine BL is empty as well, its just faster to ktrain reason players sayt its a very good BL.

Does that means both maps need to be tweaked or removed since both are empty?

Swamurabi.7890 theres no point in a poll, if u had a poll where u ask if people just want a straight forwar map to ktrain vs none i bet that would win, and maybe they would even complain about rewards are to weak for the risk they are taking,

I can think of several reason people dont like DBL being one if they are atacked while taking stuff they cant hide back in a tower or keep and are forced to fight on open field so much for players sayign were are wvw we want open field… still map is very dull wich poor defendable mechanics, huge keeps for ta game that doesnt allow that many players for its size,, 60playersX3 and the home crew gets devided in a game with no mechanics all that matters is aoe.. well somethign is weird but we all know Anet made it to be redudanct and easy..

Players(i find this mostly on this game) want low effort hight reward, the facts they present to end their effort on BDL are just words like “crap” and “remove” none saysing anything of interest or some review, where Anet can actually read and make an analisys on the BL for improvements.

Still it does not mean map is fine for this game,l but that is the WVW state overall it lacks mechanics and a backbone structure.

(EDIT) to the DBL maps haters aka (the low effort lovers):

Learn to use the map… and the true is that DBL is and excellent map, the main problem is that the map is to good even for this featureless game with alot of placebos.

Dont remove Desert Borderlands is the best PvE map ive ever seen in this game, has a lot of potential, we just need a t-rex world boss in the middle and some mechanics with dinosaurs involved

i am serious

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Swamurabi.7890:

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Could you please locate that post and provide a link? I’m not seeing it.

Either it was a forum red post or a reddit post.

This was the red post announcing the results

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

which was followed by this post

Xenesis.6389:

So uh for the people saying they wanted a new map but don’t want dbl.

What happens if we vote for a new map, they make it, and you don’t like it, gonna ask them to delete that too?

I’ll keep searching….

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

• Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.
o Alpine Borderlands will forever be the only Borderlands map.

Saying that Alpine would forever be the only Borderlands map if Desert was removed is what players interpreted as meaning no new maps would be released if Desert was disabled.

Maybe that wasn’t what Anet intended to convey, but it’s certainly an easy conclusion to draw based off the wording.

Mrs, McKenna Berdrow, u migth not answer this for several reason but i have to ask this:

Is it possible and feasable to tweak/edit the BDL, by scrapping it and use it to build a new BL instead of remove it?

-Remove the firekeep, make a plain area similiar to bay(remove oasis to fire keep zone)
-move spawn and central keep more to the center
-add a north structure called the Charr Factory, new blueprint to contruct a charr panza or the actual vehicle as a bluerint and work like a golem instead of the awfull and clunky transmogriffers… (this is just an example to make structure desirable for the tech and rewards)

can we have some information what is defined to WvW if there will be 3 bl’s or game will the 3 bl’s equal?

Dont forget that players that want all bl’s equal knowing Alpine is empty as much DBL is, those players want a low effort ktrain on their timezone blob vs empty maps that are fast to capture or run away to a captured close strucutre to avoid most of times onpen field, wich is actually what WvW has become.

meanwhle and again… remove the transmogriffers for the mini RC car in WvW… they are clunky and a deception.

and sorry for my broken english :|

Gaile Gray.6029:

Swamurabi.7890:

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Could you please locate that post and provide a link? I’m not seeing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4lxt91/psa_if_simultaneous_borderlands_wins_the_wvw_poll/

Swamurabi.7890:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Swamurabi.7890:

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Could you please locate that post and provide a link? I’m not seeing it.

Either it was a forum red post or a reddit post.

This was the red post announcing the results

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

which was followed by this post

Xenesis.6389:

So uh for the people saying they wanted a new map but don’t want dbl.

What happens if we vote for a new map, they make it, and you don’t like it, gonna ask them to delete that too?

I’ll keep searching….

It could also be deleted by Arena net because I also do remember Arena net coming out saying “if the community does not accept this map, we will not be making new maps for WvW.”

I really hope they would just remove this map for once and all. I have total of barely 30min of play time on DBL. I don’t appreciate the map and never will. Anet said they worked hard on it but DBL just looks like a map that even failed to be a PvE map.

atticus.5284:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Swamurabi.7890:

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Could you please locate that post and provide a link? I’m not seeing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4lxt91/psa_if_simultaneous_borderlands_wins_the_wvw_poll/

That’s it.

Simultaneous borderlands (2ABL, 1DBL) would be more likely to have a third WvW map developed. At least that’s how most of us read Tyler’s comment.

I voted for 2ABL/1DBL rather than a 3ABL-3DBL rotation because it was a better option and also there was the possibility of a third map. Whether the third map was developed, 2ABL/1DBL was a far better choice than having 3DBL for three straight months.

atticus.5284:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Swamurabi.7890:

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Could you please locate that post and provide a link? I’m not seeing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4lxt91/psa_if_simultaneous_borderlands_wins_the_wvw_poll/

I want my 3rd map Gaile or removal of DBBL and making of a different non PvE map

The first red post in that link is someone clarifying that it didn’t mean what you thought it meant. Their initial wording in the poll was poor, for sure, but it seems their subsequent posts clarified it sufficiently. It is that clarification which you’ve linked.

also, forum bug?

But creating a new one and “shave” DBL fire keep zone like i pointed upthere^? could that be on the table!?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

“if the community does not accept this map, we will not be making new maps for WvW.”

Community still doesnt accept this map so please remove it since no new map is being worked or will ever be worked on.

So the conclusion to be drawn is that there will never be a third map? A lot of people assumed that the ‘vote to rid ourselves of it and there will only ever be Alpine’ was as it stated and hence might have voted to keep Deserted BL. People voted to keep it in the hope we’d get a third one, as opposed to never getting a third one.

That’s quite a simple question. Which can be broken down into parts.

1. Is there any work currently happening on a new BL?
2. Are there any devs working on wvw?
3. Are there any plans in the 2 year game roadmap to develop a new BL?

Perhaps if we knew the above, we could have a straightforward poll rather than one coached to obtain a certain result.

Here’s the poll we should have:

Should DBL be removed permanently (perhaps brought back for a couple weeks a year as part of a wvw focus fortnight to pull in players). Simple yes or no. No caveats.

Then we could put this argument to bed once and for all.

Just want to barge in and say i like desert borderlands and i’m not a PvE player, nor do i roam much.

Swamurabi.7890:

atticus.5284:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Swamurabi.7890:

I believe the thread of poll #1 has a red post that says that if DBL was not supported no other WvW maps would be done.

Could you please locate that post and provide a link? I’m not seeing it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4lxt91/psa_if_simultaneous_borderlands_wins_the_wvw_poll/

That’s it.

Simultaneous borderlands (2ABL, 1DBL) would be more likely to have a third WvW map developed. At least that’s how most of us read Tyler’s comment.

I voted for 2ABL/1DBL rather than a 3ABL-3DBL rotation because it was a better option and also there was the possibility of a third map. Whether the third map was developed, 2ABL/1DBL was a far better choice than having 3DBL for three straight months.

No, that’s how YOU interpreted it. A certain vocal minority on these forums screamed about the DBLs, and once the poll showed that people overwhelmingly supported dbl and a 2-1 mix, you all went crying into your corners blabbering some nonsense about people who didn’t play wvw swayed the vote.

When one reads the reddit forum you linked, a much different picture is painted than what you seem to think happened.

Alternative facts, indeed.

Glad I got some factual backup from Anet. Thanks, McKenna.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

/Applauds

CrimeMaker.8612:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

“if the community does not accept this map, we will not be making new maps for WvW.”

Community still doesnt accept this map so please remove it since no new map is being worked or will ever be worked on.

Alternative facts, again. Face it, you dbl whiners would never be happy unless wvw was exactly changed to your liking, and screw the rest of the playerbase. Heck, this has been beaten like a dead horse during the original polls……

Again, as I said before…..don’t like dbl? Don’t play it. Don’t force the rest of the playerbase to conform to your limited ‘vision’.

Edit: Here is Tyler’s actual post, rather than the mythical one you keep posting…..and it has a much different meaning than the supposed quote you listed in the above post….please note the last sentence, which has an entirely different meaning than your supposed quote from Tyler……which was actually a quote from other posters, NOT Tyler.

“Just to clarify. The Simultaneous Borderlands is a system that better supports a third map, than the rotation strategy. So an additional map would be more likely in that respect. However, our development priorities are still community driven. We wouldn’t start building another WvW map unless it was put to a vote, and won.”

Teon.5168:

CrimeMaker.8612:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

“if the community does not accept this map, we will not be making new maps for WvW.”

Community still doesnt accept this map so please remove it since no new map is being worked or will ever be worked on.

Alternative facts, again. Face it, you dbl whiners would never be happy unless wvw was exactly changed to your liking, and screw the rest of the playerbase. Heck, this has been beaten like a dead horse during the original polls……

Again, as I said before…..don’t like dbl? Don’t play it. Don’t force the rest of the playerbase to conform to your limited ‘vision’.

Edit: Here is Tyler’s actual post, rather than the mythical one you keep posting…..and it has a much different meaning than the supposed quote you listed in the above post….please note the last sentence, which has an entirely different meaning than your supposed quote from Tyler……which was actually a quote from other posters, NOT Tyler.

“Just to clarify. The Simultaneous Borderlands is a system that better supports a third map, than the rotation strategy. So an additional map would be more likely in that respect. However, our development priorities are still community driven. We wouldn’t start building another WvW map unless it was put to a vote, and won.”

Well said.

If you don’t like dbl, don’t play on it. You have other maps. Play on them. It’s not rocket science.

Dbl as it exists today is not the main issue with wvw.

Some of the current issues are player created, some are game issues. But dbl being a single map of four really isn’t the biggest problem we’ve got.

Let’s talk about unbalanced match-ups, coverage, population, attracting new players, the overall concept of RvR rather than a giant flat arena, players unwilling to accept that there are a lot of different ways to enjoy wvw and their way isn’t the only way… the list goes on.

Sarika.3756:

If you don’t like dbl, don’t play on it. You have other maps. Play on them. It’s not rocket science.

Dbl as it exists today is not the main issue with wvw.

Some of the current issues are player created, some are game issues. But dbl being a single map of four really isn’t the biggest problem we’ve got.

Let’s talk about unbalanced match-ups, coverage, population, attracting new players, the overall concept of RvR rather than a giant flat arena, players unwilling to accept that there are a lot of different ways to enjoy wvw and their way isn’t the only way… the list goes on.

Excellent post and right on the money.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

it doesn’t matter, the news spread on reddit that you were less likely to create a new map again if people voted to remove DBL. It affected peoples vote and you know it, whether you intended to or not and regardless of whether that was included in the poll or not. What you should’ve done is did another poll clarifying that in the wording of the poll so people like Teon can stop referring to that skewed poll result. Though it might be too late now since most people I know quit the game already.

The changes that have been made have certainly made things better. Turning into a bird and being catapulted between shrines is fun and the inclusion of Borderlands bloodlust has given a purpose to the oasis area again. Although it does seem that the central map event has gone the way of the ABL orb event and won’t return at all – but it’s probably for the best.

Despite the improvements I still avoid the DBL because the time between engagements with enemy players is too long due in part to the vast geographical isolation of the map. Also, none of the objectives have any synergy because of this geographical isolation which makes conquering the map rather unsatisfying.

synergy.5809:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

I’m aware of Tyler’s posts, which if you read them don’t ever promise a 3rd borderlands map. I just wanted to clarify that nowhere in the polls did we say anything about creating a 3rd borderlands map, even though that is stated as a ‘fact’ over and over again on the forums.

it doesn’t matter, the news spread on reddit that you were less likely to create a new map again if people voted to remove DBL. It affected peoples vote and you know it, whether you intended to or not and regardless of whether that was included in the poll or not. What you should’ve done is did another poll clarifying that in the wording of the poll so people like Teon can stop referring to that skewed poll result. Though it might be too late now since most people I know quit the game already.

Did you actually read the reddit link? The whiney dbl haters assumed much from the actual posts.

And I still fail to see ‘all these people’ that quit the game specifically because of dbl, as you claim. Yea, your friends might have quit, but I still see lots of action in dbl.

And yea, I know it is pointless arguing with those that hate dbl. If wvw is such a complete mess, then why do any of you still play? Oh that’s right, you did all quit. Funny, I haven’t noticed.

/shrug