Guild Wars 2

Recently on this very forum, I found out.. I and many others have been misleading ourselves with our entertainment and fun. Even as far as completely playing the wrong way in this game. I consider myself educated now, I never had so much fun as you will see in this video. Hope you will agree this is pure excitment and i’m hoping it shows through.

Never again will I find myself bored in our old style of play – thats fo sure.

http://youtu.be/g1nPnuO_VKw

http://www.hidemyass.com/youtube-proxy/

Thanx [Wall], we learned alot
Every fight was close till the end, could have gone either way.
Hope to repeat it when youre back in T4!

Dranul.2094:

Never again will I find myself bored in our old style of play – thats fo sure.

HaHa, you are indeed the boss of arrow carts, and how effective you were… props to you ^^

Hope to meet TUP again with a wall of ac

Dranul.2094:

Recently on this very forum, I found out.. I and many others have been misleading ourselves with our entertainment and fun. Even as far as completely playing the wrong way in this game. I consider myself educated now, I never had so much fun as you will see in this video. Hope you will agree this is pure excitment and i’m hoping it shows through.

Never again will I find myself bored in our old style of play – thats fo sure.

http://youtu.be/g1nPnuO_VKw

http://www.hidemyass.com/youtube-proxy/

The way your hammer goes up and down excites me. Will you teach me your ways Dranul?

These new traps are really fun… killing 200 supps in one go. Leaving the zerg with enough supps for a normal ram lol.

Certain fellows from the rebel servers have been notably quiet these last few days. I am just curious as to where Viking and Duke are? Did they get a chance to see how glorious their way (now mine) of playing is? Did they find enjoyment from the best video to date?

Why so quiet

Lol Dranul that video is really nice:D Made my day 3 times better than it used to be.

Ty for the fights, TUP! Dont stay in T5 too long

Appreciate the action DW, good stuff even if i did miss the 1 fight. We were led tonight by Quecc on his new 80 Guardian (he occassionally leads us in the past, always on thief) he did a good job and you guys brought it – shame more guilds, more players don’t find a WvW guild and run as 15-25 more often. Its a great challenge.

Looking forward to coming across you in the coming weeks (we typically aren’t out as a raid on thursdays) so see you on the battlefield sometime soon.

LNS from abba could learn alot from you – make some videos, show them the way <3

The german community haven’t commented on my last video /sadpanda

Kind Regards TUP

Waaaaiiit two germans responded here so you can’t say that there was no reaction at all by us :,(

Good Show DW!!! You have no idea how happy you made us by just playing! Great fights and much respect you were the highlight of the German Servers! /bow

Good fun tonight in WvW, other times not so fun. I even made a new friend
See you tomorrow. Less than 48 hours left of this joyful match-up.

<3 Sorry Nauda, didnt realise (no sig here) Appreciate the feedback. Just a shame that the resident trolls in the thread have gone so quiet the last few days – can’t imagine why.

Kind regards to my enemies – you will soon see the back of us, been fun fighting your hordes and again kudos to the few that run independently, respect for that.

Thanks for the fights DW… Finally some challenging even numbers fights, your a different animal to the lolol zergs.

Maybe the most challenging similar number fight’s we’ve had since we fought WAR from AR

Respect to the Mesmer that was stalking us all night

Its rare that you run into people actually looking for fights and fun lately in WvW… so very refreshing to see but expect nothing less from DW

Dranul.2094:

<3 Sorry Nauda, didnt realise (no sig here) Appreciate the feedback. Just a shame that the resident trolls in the thread have gone so quiet the last few days – can’t imagine why.

Oh, really?

Let’s see … by now you called us skilless, dumb, mindless, zombies, cowards and one guy even called us “the Wehrmacht” (you cant use that other word, because the profanity filter doesn’t allow it, but the picture was pretty clear). Despite those insults, those “trolls” tried to explain to you, how we play (and why), just earning even more insults.

the reason they stay quiet is that talking to you is pointless. you made an artificial ruleset for yourself about meaningless fights in no-man’s land and when people do not stick to it, you feel entitled to insult them.

don’t get me wrong, i’m not posting because i’m offended, it’s just another try to explain something to you.

@Vortigern

If you take the rose-tinted goggles off for just a second. You will see those “trolls” slandering this Tier and calling it boring and lack of fight (YET they dont fight themselves!).

Even though I never personally used alot of the words – the words you used are very close to how I feel about alot of the action from my opponents this week

Running as a 80+ Blob (and yes many times I’ve witnessed that size) leads to all the things you used, skill-less = how many abilities can you possibly use as an individual when encountering foes 25% your size. Dumb – complete waste of manpower, you might defend or take what your attacking, but elsewhere on the map you lose things. Mindless zombies – where is the initiative, the groups thinking for themselves, the groups wanting to PVP in a PVP environment.

If you believe it is meaningless fights and playing 24/7 for POINTS IN A VIDEO GAME, has a) more meaning and b) more fun… KUDOS to people who think that way – they are by far the bigger men.

Would love an explanation of where the “fun” is, where the laughs and the joy comes from.

Server comms : –
Player A – Evening Guys
Player B – Hey man
Player A – So what you doing tonight in WvW
Player B – Ah the usual, sitting in a keep
Player A – Cool Cool, mind if I come join you
Player B – Sure thing dude, Just bring another Blueprint, our 38 Superior Arrowcarts in hills have users already. I think there is a spot left where you can fit it in… I’ll even help build it.
Player A – Awesome! Let me put some music on – its gonna be a long night. This should suffice – might just last the duration of me sat in hills.

Or alternatively:

A) Heeeeeyeaaaaaaaaa whats going on
B) I pray for a revolution baby!
A) So 20 versus the world
B) Yeeeayeeeeayeeeea

Open your eyes, open your mind

Anyways – been a blast Riverside and Abbadons Mouth. Sorry to say it, but you deserve each other

To the few, the proud few, the glorious few… keep trying you will infect your server sooner or later :P

See you all on an arrowcart hopefully in the not so near future.

Kind Regards TUP

My parting gift to the tier <3

Enjoy

we typically aren’t out as a raid on thursdays

Same here, guild mission and smallscale after.
Hope to see you after next week again.
We should always go to the same bl when were in the same tier, as i told you yesterday, the first hour was pressing #1 against 60-70 am-ppl ..

Dranul.2094:

If you believe it is meaningless fights and playing 24/7 for POINTS IN A VIDEO GAME, has a) more meaning and b) more fun… KUDOS to people who think that way – they are by far the bigger men.

I never mentioned points for a reason … i don’t care for them. Those fights are meaningless because WvW is not about skirmishes, but was designed as a siege game. The towers, keeps, supply camps and siege weapons are there for a reason. They are more than just decorations or visibility barriers.

Coming from Shadowbane, i love sieges. I bought these game because it has keeps and towers to upgrade and defend and WvW was advertised as a siege game. I’m just playing the game as intended, there is no room for complaints about that. If you don’t like sieges, then you bought the wrong game or are playing the wrong game mode.

Another thing is, that you guys never care about numbers or fair fights when you are more. I usually play in a group of 3-4 people, 5 at most. when we face your awesome groups of only 20 skillful people, we face the very same odds you mentioned, but you never, not even once, cared about giving us a fair fight, instead you zerged us down every single time. the number are maybe different, but the behavior is the same.

But go on, bring some more movies, repeat the same things again and again, put some more insults on top of the others and show everyone what brave forum warriors you are. Just prove how pointless it is to speak with the people of AG.

Vortigern.1987:

Dranul.2094:

If you believe it is meaningless fights and playing 24/7 for POINTS IN A VIDEO GAME, has a) more meaning and b) more fun… KUDOS to people who think that way – they are by far the bigger men.

I never mentioned points for a reason … i don’t care for them. Those fights are meaningless because WvW is not about skirmishes, but was designed as a siege game. The towers, keeps, supply camps and siege weapons are there for a reason. They are more than just decorations or visibility barriers.

It’s not world of tanks If you love sieges build 40 ac in tower and stay there 8h . You don;t need class skills or utilities

WvW is not designed for skirmishes eh? Weird. It’s actually the only enjoyable part of WvW. Siege is pretty much a “I will kill you from behind a wall” tool. The open field fights are incredibly exciting, compared to those siege jokes of a fight. You can use the field to your advantage without needing siege.

I’m on gandara, but wanted to let my voice out on this matter. Just yesterday me and 2 guild members [OB] and 2 guys from the guild [TCHU] were fighting against MS at hills. We didn’t so much as attack the gate, but we just blocked up the bridge and held it for about 30 minutes. MS had about 15 people trying to take us. Might have to say, we were pretty exceptional team-up:
- I went as staff ele (mix of zerg & heal)
- OB mate 1 was d/d ele
- OB mate 2 was a berserk warrior
- TCHU mate 1 was a guardian
- TCHU mate 2 was a mesmer

Basically the MS zerg came down the stairs to southern hills each time with 20 people, then they drove us back to the bridge. But from there we usually dropped some stuns and dazes, flung some aoe around and used tornado as a blast & blind. We stood our ground and killed a few people with every time they tried to zerg us. In the end they called reinforcements until they had at least 30 people there.

We gave a shout to a friendly commander, retreated to the tunnel near lake and held them off until Gandakitten ople came up at them from behind. They broke at that moment, which was pretty dumb cause they still outnumbered us. By the time they managed to regroup they had like 10 people left (vs. our 15-20).

I gave this as an example that wvw is ALL ABOUT skirmishing. Strategic fielding, timing and the use of the right attacks make you win in a honest way, while sieging up and then zerging the brains out of your enemies is not exactly what WvW was ment for.

@Vortigern We care about fair fight, if you’re running with a small numbers there is probably an other group with your numbers in Ag that want to fight, of course is hard the smaller that you are.
I usually leave alone small groups(2-3 people) if the run away from a camp or a keep, is just a waste of time killing them, but if they stay on camp i can’t not kill him, when on the other side i play small numbers(up to 5 people), if a see a much bigger enemy than my group we try to disengage we don’t stay there to get killed and usually most of us stay alive and after 2 min we came back and keep doing our thing.
If you want a 5v5 there someone on AG that want to do that, just ask, i mean really just ask will make a group we like that stuff too.
When i’m talking about fair fight is when i play WvW i would want to fight group my size and bigger side than me but not a full scale blob in one single spot everytime we move to take something because it breaks the game we get lag and is not fun, the element of skill goes to kitten, yesterday i got 10 full sec of lag i went down and rally when the lag was gone. IF it didn’t break the game for you can blob, but right now is not playable.

Adding to that if someone ask for a Gvg, say you want to try it because that’s really a fair fight with no positionial advantage or siege.

Someone claimed Superior Strategy, like it was something difficult, we do that all day every decent server does that there is no superior strategy, the meta of wvw already evolved enough, it can’t go beyond aside from the fighting aspect.

For the fair fight on your side, I Asked if you could slipt, they anwser is it doesn’t work for them(AM/RS), they told me they blob up to defeat our guild groups, we gave them tips for splitting because they even asked us, they told us no doesn’t work, but Ag does that every day, sometimes we have more than you, yes of course that happens but we don’t run with group larger than 40 ever, sometimes 2 group go to a keep to match your numbers, but we don’t run under the same commander, we move in different direction, because there is no reason to move with more than 35 guys.

I told this about 100 of times but i will try again;-)
Just an example, yesterday IF and DTK, also dw later run separate on your Homelands.
At beginning everything was fine we had some nice fights with other Guilds, but as time goes on more and more pugs appeared on the map and our Raids grow up, this happens all the time, so what should we do?
Waypoint to the spawn all the time, blame them, leave WvW?
Again i am telling you that we have way more pugs, guildless people etc. perhaps you will understand this in an year or so keep it up;-)
You always complain about same things again and again, not even try do understand why that problem exists.
KISS i am here and still waiting:-]

Greets Myrmi

@Myrmidone I understand that with time you gain numbers is normal, we usually flag down after certain numbers, i try to understand why this problems exist, i try to give tips to split nobody anwser me on the last tip.

So tip number 1, flag off after certain numbers.
Get people in party and just target the commander is pretty easy

Tip number 2, after 40 run a second commander, 2 groups are more effective than one single one.

Vortigern.1987:

Dranul.2094:

If you believe it is meaningless fights and playing 24/7 for POINTS IN A VIDEO GAME, has a) more meaning and b) more fun… KUDOS to people who think that way – they are by far the bigger men.

I never mentioned points for a reason … i don’t care for them. Those fights are meaningless because WvW is not about skirmishes, but was designed as a siege game. The towers, keeps, supply camps and siege weapons are there for a reason. They are more than just decorations or visibility barriers.

Coming from Shadowbane, i love sieges. I bought these game because it has keeps and towers to upgrade and defend and WvW was advertised as a siege game. I’m just playing the game as intended, there is no room for complaints about that. If you don’t like sieges, then you bought the wrong game or are playing the wrong game mode.

Another thing is, that you guys never care about numbers or fair fights when you are more. I usually play in a group of 3-4 people, 5 at most. when we face your awesome groups of only 20 skillful people, we face the very same odds you mentioned, but you never, not even once, cared about giving us a fair fight, instead you zerged us down every single time. the number are maybe different, but the behavior is the same.

But go on, bring some more movies, repeat the same things again and again, put some more insults on top of the others and show everyone what brave forum warriors you are. Just prove how pointless it is to speak with the people of AG.

The difference is, we won’t bother attacking you unless you stand directly in our path as we run around (in which case you’re a kitten poor small scale group and need to improve) or you attack us, all you have to do to not get ‘zerged down’ by us if you’re a small group out by yourselves is to move off to the side and we won’t bother to chase you unless there’s literally nothing else on the map to fight (in which case we probably would have called our raid anyway).
The major difference between the 2 scenarios though, is that at least you can use your skills if you’re too stupid to move out the way, in a 20v80 the 80 man group has consciously made the choice to reduce the game to an unplayable, laggy mess where nothing fires off as soon as they attack something.

There are 2 more days to use all our anti-supply traps on the mindless zergs that race against time and against each other as to who will cap our towers/keeps of AG first, fellow Gladians! Don’t let them go to waste!

Even their guilds decided that they are safe enough points-wise so as to have farming events at our Garrison during evenings.

Amelia we did exactly this^^.
Both of your tips.
At the end it was a giant blob at your garrison.

Greet Myrmi

Myrmidone.4362:

Amelia we did exactly this^^.
Both of your tips.
At the end it was a giant blob at your garrison.

Greet Myrmi

So you went to attack one of the last things ag owned(last keep on home border) with everyone and then complain about blobbing in the keep.

you also could, maybe, you know, move to another border perhaps?

Queue everywhere, no way to join with our Guildraid.
I complain? show me.
btw……..still want GvG against KISS but nobody answers^^

Greets Myrmi

tygorn.7193:

Myrmidone.4362:

Amelia we did exactly this^^.
Both of your tips.
At the end it was a giant blob at your garrison.

Greet Myrmi

So you went to attack one of the last things ag owned(last keep on home border) with everyone and then complain about blobbing in the keep.

you also could, maybe, you know, move to another border perhaps?

AM had also 50 man group on map that they could easily engage in a good fight with RS forces. If they did not run as a group, they could hit bay fighting one RS guild (20 vs 20/pugs included) while the other group would fight the other RS guild in Garri, making it a fun 3-way fight with almost same numbers of 30vs30vs30.
Thing is that they seem to avoid each other. Nothing we can do about it, back to the trap placing… hehe…

@Myrmi, so you split, tag off and still be able to blob up on our garrison who is that possibible like what happend in the middle?

Think that is a bad example on you side.
Anyway i hope you try again with my tips, it works for us we can controll the numbers without any problem, and if we want to blob up we can in 5 min is not hard, is just we really don’t want

No I have explained it poorly, at the end both Raids went to your garrison just to defend against your Zerg.
What i wanted to say is that besides your tips there were still running 10+ pugs with the guildraids so we were always a zerg later.
Trust me it is not as easy as you think to avoid this.

Greets Myrmi

btw………still waiting;-)

Havent posted on this forums yet but this time i feel the need to do so.

I must say that playing aginst AM and RS is the most boring stuff i have seen in a long time. Now dont get me wrong i wont bash you for playing for points or defending your keeps and towers.

But i sure as hell will bash you for been boring beyong belive. Now there is a fine line between defending a tower and refusing to attack a force tree times smaller then yours outside of your AC range. I wont count how many times i will run whit our guild group met you guys and you will imidiatly move back to your AC range even if you outnumber us 2-3 to 1. I get it. Arrow carts are good for bag farming and you dont need to stress whit em. And yes arrow carts give significant advantage.

But when you loose a tower and all you do is pull back to the nearest fortification whit 30 arrow carts and refuse to advance till the enemy get bored and leave the BL – thats when we start bashing at you. Hell your point argument is null and void. You already lead us significantly enoght to play for fun not for points. Yet even last night whit numbers many times over ours in EB you refused to leave your fortifications and AC range and face us and prove your abilitys and skill vs our much thiner numbers.

Fine we got it we will attack you even whit your force times and times biger then ours. We go for SM in hope for some fights. What we get is arrow carts in every corner. There was no place inside SM that was not covered by AC not one location ! And the kicker ? Again ag forces were outnumbered times over – yet we stood and fighted your pve farming forces. But even our “need” for good fights can be nulified by the most boring and tidios runing from red circles on the ground whit nothing in range to hit.

So fine we switch to BL couse we get a shout that 50-60 enemys are there. We get on the BL just in time to see the blob. Down are here fighting your numbers attacking Bay after we took it. So our guild group face you while DOWN flank your kitten . One wipe. We wiped you once !!! And you refused to engage us second time? Was it soo freaking stresfull to be wiped by two times smaller group that you imiddiatley lose any will to fight ? We sit in bay our outer wall destryoed by your trebs (( we are not even hiding behind the inner wall )) we got two arrow carts. You got massive blob….. and you just sit out there doing nothing. Even tounting you whit /dance didnt make you do a single attack on us. You leave. At that point i say – " Go back to farming ruins of Orr." Couse no mater how much you justife yourself and how many times you say that you have supperior tactics and play how the game was ment to play – the truth is much more simple – majority of AM and RS are boring. Boring to the point that for a first time in months i dont want to touch WvW and instead i go to have a dance in LA.

So yeah hope you have fun whit what you are doing and i hope for the love of god that we move away from any servers deploying your “tactics”.

Love and peace from me.

ok now i understand, is fine if you run with 10 pugs + your raid, if there is 2 raid in the map usually they have reasonable number, just but sure to do 2 separate raid and everything will be fine, the problems arise only with only single gigantic raid, i hope we can see multiple groups of Rs next time.
If you want an anwser from Kiss contact the kiss leader, i think is the only that can anwser you, i don’t think is reading the forum anyways.

this^^ he is also our commander so you have to ask him.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Myrmidone.4362:

Perhaps you should show the same ambition on the battlefield.

Greets Myrmi

Perhaps you should make a presence on the battlefield other than running away.
Hiding behind your towers and ACs is not the battlefield.

Its about this, there are a lot of members from KISS here so it could be easy for them to inform him.
KISS is simply just words nothing else,dont get me wrong there are still decent Guilds on AG but KISS certainly not.
Hope you get your fighting spirit back on T5 wishes you the best.

Greets Myrmi

lol did we hurt you feelings there? If I would want to do a gvg it would be with a guild who we respect and respect us. And thus making it a friendly encounter. Not because some forum kitten is angry he got wiped and want to dance on our corpses.

Hunny you never wiped us, but nice try;-)
We respect our opponents, but they should be honest and we never dance on anybody corpses.
You are disliked even by AG Guilds just ask the ones who left your Server.
The only thing you wipe are Pug-Zergs nothing else.
I offer you a GvG, just tell him and let me know if he accept or decline our offer.

Greets Myrmi

yes Kiss members can inform him, but is your request so it should be your “duty”, ask in pm to one of the kiss member his name so you can chat with him and ask him directly.
This is a discussion forum, if you keep saying “kiss i’m waiting” “still no response” like trying to prove a point, you just waste your time my friend.
Btw on AG we love Kiss, they probably do More than half the total point of the server.

Ok i stop it here hopefully someone could pm me his account or ingame char.
Sorry for bothering the thread.

Greets Myrmi

is no problem, it was just inform of what i do, let’s go back talking about blobs, ac and coverage!

You now what bothers me the most? Next matchup the whole discussion will come up again just with Gandara instead of AG. And it won’t stop. And you know why? Because we discuss two different styles of playing WvW and it’s a matter of opinion and no simple right or wrong discussion. We have our PoV and you got you PoV and they will never be the same. This is also the reason why it’s getting quite in here: Almost everything has been said and there is just no need to discuss it again.

Yup, RS and AM better be ready for another dose of the same whining they got from AG, just a slightly different flavour from Gandara, but close enough. It’s like discussing the weather; everything has already been said a million times, but still people keep on talking about it. It’s just in your face the whole time so it’s hard to ignore it

I like Gandara, especially the Engi and Guardian from Tchu Tchu;-).
Welcome back.

Greets Myrmi

It seems that on Rs there someone that like playing with bigger groups and some other still on Rs like to play with more reasonable groups of 20-30.
Am for now i just saw bigger groups.
I think there is room for change in both server, you guys play for points, more groups, more things to attack and get more points, i think splitting will benefit you and i know that someone on RS/AM would like to split more, i’m not joking when i say i want to help you and i think keep posting here atleast gets you attention and makes someone think, will see what happens in the future

Nauda.3678:

You now what bothers me the most? Next matchup the whole discussion will come up again just with Gandara instead of AG. And it won’t stop. And you know why? Because we discuss two different styles of playing WvW and it’s a matter of opinion and no simple right or wrong discussion. We have our PoV and you got you PoV and they will never be the same. This is also the reason why it’s getting quite in here: Almost everything has been said and there is just no need to discuss it again.

And that you have a seperate forum section for german speaking people so they can unload their whole thoughts there instead of here. I really hope that the new matchup system won’t get us against you for at least 3 weeks after the next one.

Few badges… and traps cost too much!

Tbh most of the last matchup-topic in the german section was trolling and flames. If you know someone who can translate german for you: Tell him/her to read the posts on TS and grab some popcorn………
THat said the new topic isn’t as bad until now.

The germans are just fighting for their mother country, and they will do whatever it takes to make her proud. Nothing wrong with that as long as it’s a game.
It’s a shame so many of them are mere meatshields.

Was indisposed last week; rather depressing that when I return to the action it’ll be to a German sandwich, but it’s life I suppose.

All I can hope for is that AG were blowing it out of proportion and you guys are actually human…

@Dranul – love the videos, more importantly o7 and much respect for your attitude to WvWvW.

@myrmi – can’t speak for all of Kiss or officially but I have zero respect for you from your posts on the forum plus I don’t even know who you are or what guild you represent. I don’t care either.

Can only hope that AGs next matchup brings some fun.