Guild Wars 2

I returned to game after a couple months absence & ended up arguing with some of my fellow server players over something that a select group of players took the liberty of adding a “game within a game” & their rules trump Anets content & ToS. Finally, today I found out that there is some foolish “social rule” that I am expected to adhere to or else I am ridiculed , stomped, & labeled a trouble maker etc etc. I found out about this via~ https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Unofficial-Dueling-Area-in-WvW-Look/first.

I did not see any Anet reps enter that convo so I am asking “officially, do you condone this?”

This seems to be a total conflict of interest as I encounter same Guild Tag dual servers dueling each other. I go running in on my way to camp thinking I am helping a member of my server (my graphics turned low) so don’t even realise they are same guild or w.e. til they start commanding I “STOP IT”. How am I to know they won’t attack me when I try for the camp? etc etc. How is this promoting anything other than server misunderstandings & drama? Do you think I want to go help these players & their guild when they watched as their fellow guildmates on OPPOSING server took me out because I, with good TEAM intentions, didn’t know about their version of what WvW is?

Please address this issue or let us know where you stand so we can decide for ourselves if we even want to deal with the chaos that arises from the potential misunderstandings & abuse that may come with it. Players “pretending” to watch a duel I run past (to avoid confrontation & ruin their lil fun) come wipe me out when I take the camp…. I honestly feel this divides a server if it continues to take place as “player created & ran”, but ultimately it is your decision & I will respect what you say.

So you decided to ruin Fight Club and got ran over for it

Now you are posting about it asking anet to punish those players who decided to use thier $60 they spent differently than you.

Shoulda just left it alone mate

Jinks.2057:

So you decided to ruin Fight Club and got ran over for it

Now you are posting about it asking anet to punish those players who decided to use thier $60 they spent differently than you.

Shoulda just left it alone mate

Well, they are the ones that is destroying WvW for those of us that actually want to play, by making queues and not doing anything useful at all.

If they’re fighting inside a camp, by all means destroy them. If they’re doing it in a place that’s not strategically relevant and out of the way of normal travel then leave them alone. I’ve been told off before when killing a single enemy with a group of 8, by a person from our own server, but just ignore that. If you want to duel, do it somewhere you won’t get run over.

Most of the time single enemies are scouts and need to be killed or you ruin your ability to surprise attack things.

At least for us it’s usually in a map that has no queues, late in the night when most of the guild raids are over and there isn’t much going on anyways. I don’t see how it’s destroying it for anyone.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Please-help-PvP-guilds/first#post1961422

WvW is broken atm, you will be seeing this a lot more. Many guilds are thinking of not playing for points anymore, just plain and simple open ground battles against other guilds (no ACs allowed).

Which is in my opinion great.

Jinks.2057:

So you decided to ruin Fight Club and got ran over for it

Now you are posting about it asking anet to punish those players who decided to use thier $60 they spent differently than you.

Shoulda just left it alone mate

I have nothing against dueling, however I do have an issue with those who take it upon themselves to change the content then punish others who do not know about it or do not wish to conform to the “fake content”. As it is the current content does not support your premature introduction & unrealistic insistence that it doesn’t adversely affect the server community.
It is a conflict of interests no matter how you try & manipulate it. I am not in the wrong for asking an official response, you are in the wrong if you insist others follow & bend their game to allow your personal desires to be met despite the issues it is creating.
You put your server team in an awkward position & cause unnecessary confusion & drama to those playing WvW by defending an idea that is simply NOT working in the better interest of all varying type of players involved, that bad taste in the mouth then follows the server into the depths of PvE as peopel start leaving squad when Mr. Smoe Joe of fight club that ridiculed them over a “SOCIAL RULE” & beat them down the day before joins the squad.
When/If Anet decide to implement such a system I will gladly participate & support it, but I will not be hassled or bullied or ridiculed onto your WRONG bandwagon. Nor am I gna be forced to spend my game time pausing to try & figure out who is doing what where & are they going to attack me when & if I try to take the camp or are they going to abide by some invisible non existent code of honour this “fight club” has. If ANet doesn’t condone it, who will enforce the “rules” or deal with the complaints? You?

Your action created negative reaction from a fellow player & you want to avoid taking accountability so you can continue getting what you want, instead of understanding, while it was fun, in it’s current mode of “player ran” it is interrupting server community growth in many ways.
So please refrain from trying to put some distorted sense of blame on those of us players that see it as detrimental. We also pay 60$ for the game as it was ADVERTISED mate ^^

FrouFrou.4958:

At least for us it’s usually in a map that has no queues, late in the night when most of the guild raids are over and there isn’t much going on anyways. I don’t see how it’s destroying it for anyone.

It’s not like your server or my server have any queues on the green BL anyways. :P

MiLkZz.4789:

WvW is broken atm, you will be seeing this a lot more. Many guilds are thinking of not playing for points anymore, just plain and simple open ground battles against other guilds (no ACs allowed).

Which is in my opinion great.

Omg I would love this…

Most of our RoS guilds can run half-way across the map, ignoring all objectives, just to get a good fight against another guild.
Who cares what people do with their accounts. It’s not like we want to play AC Wars 2, we actually want to fight players.

I personally find it amusing when one of my server mates tries to disrupt a fight club at the windmill and gets wrecked. Yes, I will /laugh..no I will not res you.

When one of these guys busts in and ruins a perfectly good duel, if it’s obviously an accident then I make sure my duelling opponent only downs if the person doesn’t stop. That way it’s lesson learnt and he won’t feel like crap afterwards even though he came in with good intentions and only misunderstood. However if the person is coming in completely for the sake of trolling and starts cussing out everyone and their kittenz in local chat, screaming about how he will jump on his level 80 ranger and ‘kitten that kitten up’, and how we would be sorry and we messed with the wrong guy, that he is some uber pro, then comes and kills the dueller with 5 other guys and tries to establish how amazing a fighter he is… Well those I deal with differently

I still think downing is a lot better as a deterrent, and it they’re doing it in the middle of a camp then that’s a bit stupid anyway. I do think you might have just met the worst duellists on your server, and now are generalising that we’re all devil spawn, but duelling is full of very respectable, honourable people, a couple may set a bad example, but that’s the same on any server, right?

Tbh its up to them to do whatever they like in WvW. Its not like you can implement something and say “you have to play this way or else”.

I’m not exactly sure why you are acting like you would be some sort of a victim, since by the tone of your posts I think you are that Gandara dude from last night who was nowhere near the camp but actually behind the Windmill, finishing off the downed players? I warned you and so did the few other people there, you got killed because you didn’t stop (You can’t really use that you didn’t know as an excuse because if I recall right you did that the day before as well, yet you decided to come back again. Exactly the same spot, same map). As if it wasn’t enough, you then came back with a mesmer buddy.. Again nowhere near the camp. Behind the windmill. You got warned yet you didn’t stop. After you two got killed again you moved on to shout at us in mapchat how you would bring even more of your friends next time and how you reported us for “interrupting your gameplay” and breaking ToS.

We are not trading points as no one gets wxp from downing one. You won’t even get 1 kill recorded in your WvW progression because downing doesn’t count as killing. Only thing it counts as is fun and if that’s against the ToS, then please by all means, ban me already because I do enjoy and have fun while dueling other players.

I paid for my game, ya didnt buy it for me.
I will let the enemy kill everyone from my server if I please, while running around in my social clothes laughing and waving, if I please.
I make my own rules, not the other players.
If ya have a problem with people playing in a way, ya dont approve of, then to bad.

Ya need to get a backbone and start doing stuff for yaself, ya posts make ya out as a guy who needs permission for everything.

What you do is kill and res till all armor is broke.

That’s how you handle FC interupts.

As for the OP being thar dood described above….wow is alll ima say

Everyone in WvW is legit target, sod /bow…who cares? Some guy wants me to not kill him because he has green arrow or waves rather than bows. I think not…

@FrouFrou.4958 How is asking a question from the liable source acting like a victim? Who are you guys to “warn” anyone about unofficial player made dueling? You really have some audacity behaving like myself & others should take direction from you all in a situation the Anet hasn’t posted an official support of it. Did ANet clear the spot you all selected? Did they lay down some rules? Some form of guideline for the rest of the community to follow if they encounter this “fight club”? If they have & I missed it then please post the link. If not what you all are doing & how you are handling unsuspecting players that walk into it~ can be construed as against ToS.
Your method of “teaching us ignorant fight club crashers a lesson for ruining your fun” is setting us all up for failure in the longue run. You guys want to duel in peace then make an SGST to Anet & ask permission & for a place & for them to announce it officially. Don’t take it out on those of us trying to WvW We are supposed to be building strong server relationships so we support eachothers guild when playing WvW, not tearing each other apart over something that isn’t even in the game that is causing confusion.
Side note to you.
I am that dudette that you are speaking of. The day before I ran into your guild was only a few of you & I had no clue about the “unofficial dueling spot” & nor did you inform me that this was an ongoing event that was going to take place daily there etc. I didn’t come back to hit you that day & left you be. Last night, that mesmer was there before me, & was a guildy that got off work late & was racing to grab a last dolly at the camp to complete his daily with only 8 minutes to spare, he had NO IDEA about this “fight club” either & hit your guildies from the other server thinking the same thing as I did, that you were on your way to take the camp & they were trying to defend it…. When we realised you were just “dueling” again & he had sacrificed his daily to aid some TEAM members that didn’t want it. Then yah, we were mad.
It was partially the encounter I had with you last night & one that happened a few hours earlier with a different group that sent that mesmer to google where he found the post about the “unofficial dueling” & told me of it. Until that post I had no clue what was going on there. He had asked why I was so mad & I told him of all these “odd encounters” I was having there.
Truth be told this post isn’t directed to you & your guildies or that incident last night that involved you, it is mostly asking a question to Anet. It is a problem when those situations I encountered with you & your guildmates from other servers ALONG with some others. Some of you “fight clubbers” are not honourable & I did run past them to take the camp, I didn’t attack a single one of them yet they came & defended their camp & killed me.
Yes, they should defend their camp as loyalty to their server, but then YES I should attack the camp owners that are standing around your “unofficial duel” area to ensure I don’t get attacked from them at the camp. You don’t see the problem with how you players have set this up? It sends mixed messages all the way around. That windmill is on the way to the camp via that base. Not all players enter it through the front door.
I ended up getting feisty with you guys over something you believed you were entitled to & I had ZERO clue wth was going on, why were you defending other servers before your own etc… My setting are so low to avoid lag I had no clue til AFTER you all killed the mesmer & me that you were the same guild the night before. See how your assumptions of what you thought the “extent” of my knowledge got us? I didn’t know jack crap. I don’t like to get feisty with server mates, it is counterproductive in more ways than one, but there I was thinking you guys were spies & sabotaging our team…. After reading the other post I know now that wasn’t the case where u all were concerned, but at the time when I reacted, yah~~ I showed my kitten Since you are here I will apologize for showing it & with the knowledge I have now, I would have handled it differently.

There is no problem with duelers, but you players of fight club do not have the resources to enforce “honourable interactions” nor the authority to set it up where & how you want it to ensure that it is not screwing other players not participating in it up. While your guild is willing to back off or stay out of it, not all are, & until you can ensure others will be as respectful, you really can’t be surprised when players go off the handle when the last straw has touched the camels back.

there is duels there all the time.i do not see anything wrong with it…and as ac’s rule the world right now(and i am really surprised that the arrow cart in garrison cannot shoot inner bay lord to death) a lot of people don’t wanna play for ppt… our bl is so broken atm that we dc like 4 times in 12 minutes. if there isnt a hot fix, people will just go for duels atm or gvg so instead of rageing here about something u do not WANT to understand u could just join in or go somewhere else!

Themanbat.3206:

Dueling is possible, ergo it is part of the content. I’m pretty sure nobody gives a crap what anyone has to say about their “support” of it when all it’s intended for is fun… in a game… in the only place you can really do it within that game. It doesn’t require a stamp of approval you numbnuts and there will never be a report option entitled “dueling”. Maybe if you were a little smarter, you wouldn’t be messing up duels and having these things happen to you. Btw, those other people who kill you in the camp are playing by your rules. Don’t hate on them.

Games that promote & support dueling have dueling settings made especially for ALL members of the community to see there is a duel & they are timered. PWI, FW, Cabal, Aeria etc etc all have a dueling option which is different than their arena, pvp, GvG, nation or their forms of WvWvW.

The need for Anet support goes to the fact that if there is no official announcement condoning where & how the players have set it up that MANY of their OTHER consumers are clueless & will file tons of needless reports. If Anet steps forward & says yes fight club continue & posts it to their main forum announcements, then players will know it is an event & if any abuse it they can then submit tickets to Anet to resolve the issue. How is it not important to hav etheir official say on it?

ItWasntMe.7102:

Themanbat.3206:

Dueling is possible, ergo it is part of the content. I’m pretty sure nobody gives a crap what anyone has to say about their “support” of it when all it’s intended for is fun… in a game… in the only place you can really do it within that game. It doesn’t require a stamp of approval you numbnuts and there will never be a report option entitled “dueling”. Maybe if you were a little smarter, you wouldn’t be messing up duels and having these things happen to you. Btw, those other people who kill you in the camp are playing by your rules. Don’t hate on them.

Games that promote & support dueling have dueling settings made especially for ALL members of the community to see there is a duel. PWI, FW, Cabal, Aeria etc etc all have a dueling option which is different than their arena, pvp, GvG, nation or their forms of WvWvW.

This game does not. People made one. Move on.
Edit: And not having the foresight to include a place to duel doesn’t automatically infer lack of support. To think no one should ever want to have arranged 1v1s or XvX with other players who enjoy pvp in any game is just ignorant. If Arenanet really hated dueling as much as some idiots I can think of they’d do something about it. Something that would lose them money. Gl with that.

The duelling spot is quite far away from the map and even if you take the “back door” into the camp, it’s perfectly possible to go nowhere near it.
While the first time might’ve been accidental, I’m going to go ahead and assume that the other times you were going to check out if it was happening again, and if so that you were there to disrupt it.

It’s not an official thing, but it’s not against the TOS either, and the fact that you even suggest that it could be… lol. Just lol.

Khadras.1583:

I paid for my game, ya didnt buy it for me.
I will let the enemy kill everyone from my server if I please, while running around in my social clothes laughing and waving, if I please.
I make my own rules, not the other players.
If ya have a problem with people playing in a way, ya dont approve of, then to bad.

Ya need to get a backbone and start doing stuff for yaself, ya posts make ya out as a guy who needs permission for everything.

You RENT space like the rest of us consumers. Where does it say in ToS that it is acceptable for players to not only create content, but designate a spot & punish or ridicule others who do not know about it or don’t wish to conform to it?

Dueling is freakin’ great, especially the Aurora Glade & Gandara tradition (which is why I wish we will remain in the same tiers for as long as possible).

Once you’ve played WvW for months and months and attained a fairly high skill level, you will look for a break from the usual zerging, a way to test your ability against the best players the other server has.

The people complaining about it will eventually be duelists themselves if they play long enough. It’s just a way to get even more enjoyment out of the game with no official WvW dueling option available. No harm done since atleast in the Aurora Glade & Gandara dueling guild the duels never take part in a queued borderland and the location is as far away from WvW action as possible.

Genev.2450:

The duelling spot is quite far away from the map and even if you take the “back door” into the camp, it’s perfectly possible to go nowhere near it.
While the first time might’ve been accidental, I’m going to go ahead and assume that the other times you were going to check out if it was happening again, and if so that you were there to disrupt it.

It’s not an official thing, but it’s not against the TOS either, and the fact that you even suggest that it could be… lol. Just lol.

No I only go there for the camp. Why would I avoid sneaking in through that entrance? How was it I was supposed to know that was some “special spot”? Am I some forum junky that reads all players posts? When one solos or goes in a two man team they don’t always approach from the direction you decide for them. LOL at you for assuming players have the same rights as Anet when it comes to adding “unofficial content”. As far as I gather from the ToS only Anet/Gw2 has that authority & they can take away the content you rent with bans if you promote anything that interferes with that authority or their content….. Or is that the make believe part?

It is easy, Anet just has post their stance on the issue then everyone will know & it will be announced where ALL players can see when they login. How is getting their thoughts on the matter bad?
Maybe they announce the spot players suggested is fine & even remove that camp for a space to duel until they implement something more appropriate in the future.
Instead of attacking me & my question or my babble why aren’t you fight clubbers directing some positives to Anet & asking them to give u a temporary spot & announce it? You attacking me or w.e you want to call it, just supports my arguement that it causes drama ^^

ItWasntMe.7102:

Khadras.1583:

I paid for my game, ya didnt buy it for me.
I will let the enemy kill everyone from my server if I please, while running around in my social clothes laughing and waving, if I please.
I make my own rules, not the other players.
If ya have a problem with people playing in a way, ya dont approve of, then to bad.

Ya need to get a backbone and start doing stuff for yaself, ya posts make ya out as a guy who needs permission for everything.

You RENT space like the rest of us consumers. Where does it say in ToS that it is acceptable for players to not only create content, but designate a spot & punish or ridicule others who do not know about it or don’t wish to conform to it?

It’s called player interaction. Kind of a big part of the MMO aspect. No one “created content,” they just chose to play it with more pvp and less pvdoor. Where in the ToS does it say it’s acceptable to eat lunch while playing the game, to roleplay in Queensdale, or to afk in WvW for the sole purpose of ranting about people spending too much time on pvp and not enough zerging down doors? Where does it say any of these are unacceptable? You have no argument.

TheGreatA.4192:

Dueling is freakin’ great, especially the Aurora Glade & Gandara tradition (which is why I wish we will remain in the same tiers for as long as possible).

Once you’ve played WvW for months and months and attained a fairly high skill level, you will look for a break from the usual zerging, a way to test your ability against the best players the other server has.

The people complaining about it will eventually be duelists themselves if they play long enough. It’s just a way to get even more enjoyment out of the game with no official WvW dueling option available. No harm done since atleast in the Aurora Glade & Gandara dueling guild the duels never take part in a queued borderland and the location is as far away from WvW action as possible.

This guy speaks well on your behalf fight club, maybe he should make a SGST to Anet to make that spot the “temporary official spot”.

Either way they decide~ something from them should be posted so we aren’t fighting against our server mates over this issue. The only way the majority of the community will know about what you fight clubbers are doing & that Anet does not feel it hampers any othe rWvW content or community peace, is if Anet posts it, & if for whatever reason they decide that it isnt a good idea at this juncture, then those of us that get hit by less than honourable fight clubbers have an avenue to send reports to. It also lets us that don’t participate know we won’t get surprised banned down the road for participating or what the official rules & conduct are for it.

You do realize no one is getting banned over something this stupid, right? No announcement of a “temporary official spot” is going to stop people from messing it up and with or without an announcement from the fight club police, people are going to find ways to duel on their own. Again, Anet will not throw the money either side is giving them down the drain because someone was buttmad about getting killed in WvW.

Themanbat.3206:

You do realize no one is getting banned over something this stupid, right? No announcement of a “temporary official spot” is going to stop people from messing it up and with or without an announcement from the fight club police, people are going to find ways to duel on their own. Again, Anet will not throw the money either side is giving them down the drain because someone was buttmad about getting killed in WvW.

ahh so you are saying this issue is dividing the community? ^^

So, let me get this straight,
you walked through fight club,
attacked people,
got the kitten beat out of you,
got cussed out for interrupting fight club,
and are now QQing about it on the forum?

Man, if you ask me, the solution is simple. Just, you know, avoid the windmill. It really isn’t hard, and considering that is the main place for duels, it makes sense. You’re getting mad because you got cussed out, so what? Just report the players who said kitten and leave it at that. We didn’t add any “unofficial content” we created a spot where players can go to hang out have fun and test their skills against individuals from other servers. It isn’t detrimental to your server or to WvW in any way, because it’s actually promoting a fun, unified atmosphere to reduce some of the drama forum warriors and kitten-talkers create.

Also, there’s one simple fact: If I’m at fight club and the camp is mine, and you try and take it, I will kill you and resume my activities in the dueling area.

Anyways, point is, man, just stay away from the windmill and don’t interrupt any duels and you’ll be fine. You’re intentionally ruining something that players set up in order to have fun. It’s not creating content, it’s enjoying WvW the way we want to.

ItWasntMe.7102:

Themanbat.3206:

You do realize no one is getting banned over something this stupid, right? No announcement of a “temporary official spot” is going to stop people from messing it up and with or without an announcement from the fight club police, people are going to find ways to duel on their own. Again, Anet will not throw the money either side is giving them down the drain because someone was buttmad about getting killed in WvW.

ahh so you are saying this issue is dividing the community? ^^

Not really. No one cares about it to anywhere near the buttmad level you’re at. The hell would it matter either way? People who like to pvp, people who like to zerg, and people who do both are going to think differently. Anet still wants them all to play their game.

This isn’t a pre-set battleground where you have an objective that must be achieved in a very short time limit.

This is an open zone where every one can do as they please. If that means dueling. Then so be it. sPvP is there if you want to have focused objective based PvP.

If you’re one of those single minded ‘red is dead’ advocates. Then I guess you don’t mind being dead instead in WvW and thus no need for this thread.

Yeah the last few days I have not gotten a single badge in WvW, all I did was duel. Had a great time doing it and it hurt no one.

I think you seen a chance to get some badges by stomping downed players you could never have downed on your own. If you feel so strongly against dueling run in and kill the people dueling to your hearts content, there is nothing stopping you.

Themanbat.3206:

ItWasntMe.7102:

Themanbat.3206:

You do realize no one is getting banned over something this stupid, right? No announcement of a “temporary official spot” is going to stop people from messing it up and with or without an announcement from the fight club police, people are going to find ways to duel on their own. Again, Anet will not throw the money either side is giving them down the drain because someone was buttmad about getting killed in WvW.

ahh so you are saying this issue is dividing the community? ^^

Not really. No one cares about it to anywhere near the buttmad level you’re at. The hell would it matter either way? People who like to pvp and people who like to zerg are going to think differently. Anet still wants them all to play their game.

Your insight to my question of Anet is so spot on & your total bad boy rebel attitude has me rethinking my whole approach to asking Anet their opinion on the matter. You are so right, they do not deserve the communities respect, & their word & authority is just for show. Undermining their authority is such a compliment for us to bestow on them. Yes, yes you are so right, these games are not revolving doors of consumers & that 60$ they already have of mine will be given back if they disagree with what I say here.. How dare I take the time to ask them, I should be more like many here & assume I have the right to do whatever I want with their product, screw what furture plans Anet has or what they think of all this, maybe they really like fight club & are at this very moment creating fight club boosters to sell in the mall…. LOL they have our money already, & any money given in support of the mall, while some may come from those who like to duel, none of it promotes or makes money from dueling itself. So speaking of money division is not a good argument supporting fight club~ try again. Players that spend in the mall spend ZERO on fight club items. What is you issue with someone asking Anet directly?

ItWasntMe.7102:

Themanbat.3206:

ItWasntMe.7102:

Themanbat.3206:

You do realize no one is getting banned over something this stupid, right? No announcement of a “temporary official spot” is going to stop people from messing it up and with or without an announcement from the fight club police, people are going to find ways to duel on their own. Again, Anet will not throw the money either side is giving them down the drain because someone was buttmad about getting killed in WvW.

ahh so you are saying this issue is dividing the community? ^^

Not really. No one cares about it to anywhere near the buttmad level you’re at. The hell would it matter either way? People who like to pvp and people who like to zerg are going to think differently. Anet still wants them all to play their game.

You insight to my question of Anet is so spot on & your total bad boy rebel attitude has me rethinking my whole approach to asking Anet their opinion on the matter. You are so right, they do not deserve the communities respect, & their word & authority is just for show. Undermining their authority is such a compliment for us to bestow on them. Yes, yes you are so right, these games are not revolving doors of consumers & that 60$ they already have of mine will be given back if they disagree with what I say here.. How dare I take the time to ask them, I should be more like many here & assume I have the right to do whatever I want with their product, screw what furture plans Anet has or what they think of all this, maybe they really like fight club & are at this very moment creating fight club boosters to sell in the mall…. LOL they have our money already, & any money given in support of the mall, while some may come from those who like to duel, none of it promotes or makes money from dueling itself. So speaking of money division is not a good argument supporting fight club~ try again. Players that spend in the mall spend ZERO on fight club items. What is you issue with someone asking Anet directly?

I don’t even feel like dignifying this idiocy with a response but here goes. They have the “authority” to do anything they want in their game. They want to make money and have been good at that. Players who duel do spend money on their game and would not have as much of an interest in a game that didn’t allow them to have fun. And I’m simply pointing out how ridiculously stupid of you it is to ask them for “support” on something like this. Should I start a thread about whether or not Anet “supports” sitting on a wall all day and only ever attacking other players with arrow carts? That would actually make more sense than your thread now that I think about it…. Now try to make a logical statement for once in your life please. Matter of fact, don’t. That seems to be what you trying to do now. :S

ANDROMEDA COME BACK VLK MISSES YOU.

Is the argument that the fight club is perverting the intention on WvW and you were upset that they killed you for interrupting?

Well first, fight club has people from different servers fighting each other; That is basically what WvW is, but i guess they’re not at an objective… However, does that mean any roamers shouldn’t be killing players when they’re walking around between objectives?

Also, they don’t finish their targets. That sounds like they’re just nice players who don’t want people to have to pay repair costs. I love it when I’m downed and an opponent spares me!

As to being upset they killed you. My question is: Who killed you? It couldn’t have been your own server mates… It must have been someone from an opposing server. Sounds a lot like what should be happening in WvW to me! No distortion of the rules there.

EDIT: I don’t condone anyone chewing you out about it though.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

ANDROMEDA COME BACK VLK MISSES YOU.

:D

Look people again I have no issue with dueling. I am asking Anet to commit to an official stance on the issue~ say the spot is the designated spot or for them to lay out community guidelines that duelers & non duelers can mutually respect. You want the community to respect your definition of fun, & the community wants to avoid potential misunderstandings. The misunderstanding I alluded to are not the only ones that occur, there are those that feel dueling in this manner undermines the whole structure & purpose of WvW for various reasons. Why are some of you so upset to have clarification from Anet?
Is it bad for the community for Anet to take control & end this issue? If they condone it then the issue is over. If they agree partially & make some changes or rules, the issue is over. If they say it is a no go at this juncture in their content plans then guess what~ again the issue is over. So why don’t we stop picking at eachother & wait for them to speak? You want to be active or influence their thoughts on it, show them the positives via a SGST that other fight clubbers will support or add to or other community members can say what they don’t like about it & why.
Coming in this particular thread addressed to Anet & picking my kitten apart is only showing them it is causing negative drama & forcing their backs into the wall. My asking for Anets stance over accepting what some players say is allowed & agreeable or taking the other side that says “heck no duels should not be allowed in wvw”~ is irresponsible how?

Wow, this thread has an awful lot of posterior aggravation.

ANet needs to add proper GvG and I believe they will. Until then, you have to be hip to arrangements like this.

ItWasntMe.7102:

Look people again I have no issue with dueling. I am asking Anet to commit to an official stance on the issue~ say the spot is the designated spot or for them to lay out community guidelines that duelers & non duelers can mutually respect. You want the community to respect your definition of fun, & the community wants to avoid potential misunderstandings. The misunderstanding I alluded to are not the only ones that occur, there are those that feel dueling in this manner undermines the whole structure & purpose of WvW for various reasons. Why are some of you so upset to have clarification from Anet?
Is it bad for the community for Anet to take control & end this issue? If they condone it then the issue is over. If they agree partially & make some changes or rules, the issue is over. If they say it is a no go at this juncture in their content plans then guess what~ again the issue is over. So why don’t we stop picking at eachother & wait for them to speak? You want to be active or influence their thoughts on it, show them the positives via a SGST that other fight clubbers will support or add to or other community members can say what they don’t like about it & why.
Coming in this particular thread addressed to Anet & picking my kitten apart is only showing them it is causing negative drama & forcing their backs into the wall. My asking for Anets stance over accepting what some players say is allowed & agreeable or taking the other side that says heck no duels should not be allowed in wvw is irresponsible how?

Like I said, there’s no way to enforce anything “official” about fight club in WvW. This thread is pointless and probably won’t get a response for that reason. I’ve also already explained the reason Anet won’t alienate any large group from their game and it’s pretty simple if you have a brain.

@ItWasntMe.7102

Then only rules are number 1, never talk about fight club, and numer 2, NEVER talk about fight club.

C’mon man, so much in the world is destroyed by rules. Rules here rules there. In WvW you can kill anyone, why people wouldn’t be allowed to kill you is beyond my understanding. And at the same time you are very muich allowed by Anet to interrupt a duel, but you have to bear with the consequences of kitten off all of the involved players. See, you are surrounded by 10 players that tell you not to kill a certain person. The choice is entirely yours. Die, or not die. Who’s saying you can’t enjoy dueling aswell? Nobody. See there is but one rule applying to these duels, and that is the golden rule. If you want to be treated well, treat others well. Want respect? Treat others with respect? Want to stomp someone? Prepare to be stomped.

Themanbat.3206:

I don’t even feel like dignifying this idiocy with a response but here goes. They have the “authority” to do anything they want in their game. They want to make money and have been good at that. Players who duel do spend money on their game and would not have as much of an interest in a game that didn’t allow them to have fun. And I’m simply pointing out how ridiculously stupid of you it is to ask them for “support” on something like this. Should I start a thread about whether or not Anet “supports” sitting on a wall all day and only ever attacking other players with arrow carts? That would actually make more sense than your thread now that I think about it…. Now try to make a logical statement for once in your life please. Matter of fact, don’t. That seems to be what you trying to do now. :S

Yes you speak only of those who are having “fun dueling”. None of the money players spent is towards dueling. They spend money on other items for other areas of the game, there is nothing in the mall for “dueling” in the manner they have set up.
Just as many, if not more players that do not duel whether they are for it or against it, spend money, yet you refuse to acknowledge their idea of fun to sneak up on camps or play WvW as described in the advertising that is supported by Anet are undeserving of a voice or an opinion. That they need to adapt to those players that are forcing content & social rules otherwise be ridiculed & pay repair bills that not even the duelers pay, when they accidentally or unintentionally run into a duel that they had no clue that content existed. You are implying that the fight club is the only voice that counts & Anet will lose soo much money if they don’t let fight club have it exactly their way with no boundaries. Meglomaniacs FTW. Not willing to respect other players or compromise through Anet. Not one of you has said you would respect any official decision Anet may or may not come to. Not one of you asked them please to make some form of announcement so players that come across your fight club will understand it’s purpose or value. You want to compare apple to oranges & aren’t seriously discussing the pros or cons of PLAYER CREATED & PLAYER RAN event such as this that affects alot more than those people wanting to duel, & guess who is left to deal with the reports? The staff works for free right?
I am dumber than many here~ that doesn’t mean I can’t ask Anet a question. Perhaps you are incapable of understanding the value of Anet making it clear to the WHOLE community what is & isn’t allowed as far as this trending “fight club”~ After boredom sets in then the next liberty will be taken & pushed onto the community by a select few. It will become a never ending cycle of “well you let so n so do such n such” & they lose control of their product all together as a few customers feel entitled to hijack & take the game in a direction they desire “cuz its fun for them, & they will bully any players that find it an interruption to their definition of fun.” If Anet runs or supports duels on their terms or fight clubs that is great & the community can adapt, but if players are going to continue to run & enforce it with ridicule & BS & unfair expectations & demands for the community to bow down to them & it’s inconsistencies without recognising the damage it is doing, then no I don’t see it as anything more than a divider.

Im sorry but your going to be FUMING when you find out about the GvG that goes on down there. 20v20, spectators, duels in the spectator area… such a marvelous community driven experience.

ItWasntMe.7102:

Themanbat.3206:

I don’t even feel like dignifying this idiocy with a response but here goes. They have the “authority” to do anything they want in their game. They want to make money and have been good at that. Players who duel do spend money on their game and would not have as much of an interest in a game that didn’t allow them to have fun. And I’m simply pointing out how ridiculously stupid of you it is to ask them for “support” on something like this. Should I start a thread about whether or not Anet “supports” sitting on a wall all day and only ever attacking other players with arrow carts? That would actually make more sense than your thread now that I think about it…. Now try to make a logical statement for once in your life please. Matter of fact, don’t. That seems to be what you trying to do now. :S

Yes you speak only of those who are having “fun dueling”. None of the money players spent is towards dueling. They spend money on other items for other areas of the game, there is nothing in the mall for “dueling” in the manner they have set up.
Just as many, if not more players that do not duel whether they are for it or against it, spend money, yet you refuse to acknowledge their idea of fun to sneak up on camps or play WvW as described in the advertising that is supported by Anet are undeserving of a voice or an opinion. That they need to adapt to those players that are forcing content & social rules otherwise be ridiculed & pay repair bills that not even the duelers pay, when they accidentally or unintentionally run into a duel that they had no clue that content existed. You are implying that the fight club is the only voice that counts & Anet will lose soo much money if they don’t let fight club have it exactly their way with no boundaries. Meglomaniacs FTW. Not willing to respect other players or compromise through Anet. Not one of you has said you would respect any official decision Anet may or may not come to. Not one of you asked them please to make some form of announcement so players that come across your fight club will understand it’s purpose or value. You want to compare apple to oranges & aren’t seriously discussing the pros or cons of PLAYER CREATED & PLAYER RAN event such as this that affects alot more than those people wanting to duel, & guess who is left to deal with the reports? The staff works for free right?
I am dumber than many here~ that doesn’t mean I can’t ask Anet a question. Perhaps you are incapable of understanding the value of Anet making it clear to the WHOLE community what is & isn’t allowed as far as this trending “fight club”~ After boredom sets in then the next liberty will be taken & pushed onto the community by a select few. It will become a never ending cycle of “well you let so n so do such n such” & they lose control of their product all together as a few customers feel entitled to hijack & take the game in a direction they desire “cuz its fun for them, & they will bully any players that find it an interruption to their definition of fun.” If Anet runs or supports PvP on their terms or fight clubs that is great & the community can adapt, but if players are going to continue to run & enforce it with ridicule & BS & unfair expectation s& demands for the community to bow down to them & it’s inconsistencies without recognising the damage it is doing, then no I don’t see it as anything more than a divider.

It’s a game. We play it however the hell we want. If dueling is what people want to do the with the game they will. If that were to somehow be taken out the game (however PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE that would be), those people would stop playing the game and stop spending money on it. Take a freaking economics class or just put 2 and 2 together for kitten’s sake. You’re basically saying a sandbox game that you paid for has too few rules. You’re basically an idiot. And if the majority wants to completely ignore the objectives and do with WvW whatever CRAZY and UNTHINKABLE things they come up with, guess what? Anet’s gonna let em. For money. And because games are made to entertain as large a mass of people as is possible. Seriously, try to read for once and stop trying to force your idea of what WvW HAS to be (it’s not a freaking job. matter of fact, we’re the employers) on everyone else.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

So, let me get this straight,
you walked through fight club,
attacked people,
got the kitten beat out of you,
got cussed out for interrupting fight club,
and are now QQing about it on the forum?

Man, if you ask me, the solution is simple. Just, you know, avoid the windmill. It really isn’t hard, and considering that is the main place for duels, it makes sense. You’re getting mad because you got cussed out, so what? Just report the players who said kitten and leave it at that.

The thing is, we didn’t cuss him but it was the other way around. I kindly told him to stop as we were dueling and I reminded him that we had been in the same situation the other day when I offered to ress him if he stops with the stomping. Next thing you see is a QQ river pouring from mapchat “i dont care if you are dueling or not im going to kill you all” and threats of getting reported for dueling. Aw yeaah.

FrouFrou.4958:

KyoHanakaze.8145:

So, let me get this straight,
you walked through fight club,
attacked people,
got the kitten beat out of you,
got cussed out for interrupting fight club,
and are now QQing about it on the forum?

Man, if you ask me, the solution is simple. Just, you know, avoid the windmill. It really isn’t hard, and considering that is the main place for duels, it makes sense. You’re getting mad because you got cussed out, so what? Just report the players who said kitten and leave it at that.

The thing is, we didn’t cuss him but it was the other way around. I kindly told him to stop as we were dueling and I reminded him that we had been in the same situation the other day when I offered to ress him if he stops with the stomping. Next thing you see is a QQ river pouring from mapchat “i dont care if you are dueling or not im going to kill you all” and threats of getting reported for dueling. Aw yeaah.

I lol’d.

So to sum it up; you joined WubWub, saw a fight, someone told you the deal, you ignored it, LOST the fight, got stomped, they took your badges and now you’re complaining about it?

You should actually spend some time duelling. You sound like a bad.

BAAAAD.

B to the A to the D to the… that’s all the letters in BAD

Your time is no more valuable than their time. Your money is no more important than their money. Your enjoyment is no more important than their enjoyment. There are no clauses in the ToS to prohibit this. You’re complaining because you think you’re righteous, but lets be honest here; you’re a killjoy who wants to see emergent gameplay destroyed for no other reason than to destroy it.

In other news [TDS] is open. Duellists welcome.

Time for me to chime in I guess. It violates no Tos or breaks no rules. Fight club can take up valuable wvw spots but after zerging for days some get bured out and want to do something different….Do I agree with it….no but it doesnt matter what I think because someone dropped 60 bucks on a game and want to do there own thing. I have sat and watched fight club and even participated to see if I could change my mind about it and I must say no it hasnt changed my mind but once again it doesnt matter what I think. Ultimately anet cant do anything about it because there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. May be dumb but what I think about it is irrelivant. Is spvp cross server, I am not sure never done it before, but maybe that could help with this apparant problem maybe. but its just a game first and foremost dont let something so trivial ruin your day