Guild Wars 2

So the new poll about “the future of WvW” is basically about bringing us to the past once again? Trying to shove us the desert borderlands in our throats ?

First, it isn’t a new poll… it is a re-run, because everyone and their mother asked for it on both sides of the fence and those that wanted it got the discontinue supporting Desert Borderlands poll that ran last week.

You got your “get rid of the desert borderlands” poll last week, that poll and that poll alone was to determine whether Desert Borderlands come back at all, and since that ended with the map coming back (removing it completely did not even reach majority let alone the required supermajority) this poll is just about how and/or when, the ship on the if has already sailed.

Relevant: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Poll-14-June-Desert-Borderlands-Closed/page/4#post6212591

Sigh, enough. People have voted. They want the DBL back by a margin of 2:1. Accept it. I’m just thrilled that Anet is asking for so much feedback from the community.

INB4 Desert is garbage, nobody plays it, ANet is killing wvw, ANet should listen to the wvw vets, ded gaem.

Yes. And those who hate desert should be thrilled that there is an option on the table to have alpine as a BL option full time. The alternative is rotating them where it will be alpine 3 months and desert 3 months. No variety, you have what you have. If those vote succeeds you’ll be allowed to play on the borderland that you feel like playing on on a given day.

Hesacon.8735:

Yes. And those who hate desert should be thrilled that there is an option on the table to have alpine as a BL option full time. The alternative is rotating them where it will be alpine 3 months and desert 3 months. No variety, you have what you have. If those vote succeeds you’ll be allowed to play on the borderland that you feel like playing on on a given day.

^This. It’s better to have them both, so you can decide what to play when you want. Then to wait quarterly patches to play what you want instead. This way everyone can be happy.

Me being a vet I prefer to Desert map over alpine as well so.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

Hesacon.8735:

Yes. And those who hate desert should be thrilled that there is an option on the table to have alpine as a BL option full time. The alternative is rotating them where it will be alpine 3 months and desert 3 months. No variety, you have what you have. If those vote succeeds you’ll be allowed to play on the borderland that you feel like playing on on a given day.

^This. It’s better to have them both, so you can decide what to play when you want. Then to wait quarterly patches to play what you want instead. This way everyone can be happy.

Me being a vet I prefer to Desert map over alpine as well so.

^^^^ Third. Variety keeps things fresh. And with this structure we are even more likely to have another map in works. At this point in the game’s cycle I would have hoped for at least 8 maps in play if not more. The fact that only 2 (3 w/ EoTM) in play at a time does not create much variety.

If people are completely opposed to a single map, I really don’t understand why they wouldn’t vote for simultaneous maps. Again forget the argument about balanced playing fields, as long as the game does not enforce balanced populations that argument is moot.

Still confuses me what all the discontent is with the DBL’s. “Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading. Most of the issues with the DBL’s had been addressed and made them much easier to get around in. They are different and fun, imo. I still think the center of the DBL should be flattened out so it can be used as a battle ground.. THAT would be great!

Mushin.3928:

INB4 Desert is garbage, nobody plays it, ANet is killing wvw, ANet should listen to the wvw vets, ded gaem.

yet nobody plays Alpine also, unless to blob it cause all keeps and towers are close to each other :|

Gw2 is full of players leeching what is easy, if Anet makes stuff a little bit harder… skrits cry.

Balthazzarr.1349:

Still confuses me what all the discontent is with the DBL’s. “Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading. Most of the issues with the DBL’s had been addressed and made them much easier to get around in. They are different and fun, imo. I still think the center of the DBL should be flattened out so it can be used as a battle ground.. THAT would be great!

What happened was the devs were a little ambitious in what they were trying to do any the DBLs were a lot more complicated than alpine when they first came out. People saw things like barricades and few paths to objectives as an impediment for both roamers and zergs who were looking for a fight.

The devs took this feedback and opened up the map, doubling or tripling the number of paths to an objective and making it much easier to get from A to B.

The issue is that people saw the original map and it wasn’t exactly what they wanted so they freaked out and shut themselves off from discussion. The changes made to DBL before switching to alpine made them very playable and they were being used similarly to how much alpine is used now before the switch.

So at the end of the day the majority of the vocal minority who scream bloody murder about DBL have not tried out the newer version of DBL.

I see the appeal of alpine and all, but two of the keeps you can catapult both walls with the same catapult and that makes things a lot less interesting for me.

Desert is way flatter than Alpine too. I can get to the Rampart quicker without taking falling damage than I can get to the Garrison by taking falling damage.

Stilk.6312:

So the new poll about “the future of WvW” is basically about bringing us to the past once again? Trying to shove us the desert borderlands in our throats ?

77% + it means something right?? players voted…. mixed bl’s

Thank god this will pass. It just makes sense to give players options for their preferred BL map to play on.

The second option of swapping in and out is just not a good choice for the future of WvW. Player attrition would occur less by providing both always.

Idk why people are voting for simultaneous borderlands. One server having a different BL might not be fair. Not to mention, it doesn’t make sense having mixed borderlands unless all three maps are different. Now that would be a cool idea.

I think part of the reason is because it’s quarterly rotation, when it should rotate every week to keep things fresh. A quarter is just too long.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

Idk why people are voting for simultaneous borderlands. One server having a different BL might not be fair. Not to mention, it doesn’t make sense having mixed borderlands unless all three maps are different. Now that would be a cool idea.

I think part of the reason is because it’s quarterly rotation, when it should rotate every week to keep things fresh. A quarter is just too long.

As I told my kids as they were growing up. Life is NOT fair and never will be. If it was the same server getting the same BL everytime then that would just be wrong.. but it won’t be that way. Would love to have 3 different BL’s… but since we only have a choice between the same one everywhere and 2 +1 different then I like the idea of one different over all the same.. just my opinion of course

Balthazzarr.1349:

Elementalist Owner.7802:

Idk why people are voting for simultaneous borderlands. One server having a different BL might not be fair. Not to mention, it doesn’t make sense having mixed borderlands unless all three maps are different. Now that would be a cool idea.

I think part of the reason is because it’s quarterly rotation, when it should rotate every week to keep things fresh. A quarter is just too long.

As I told my kids as they were growing up. Life is NOT fair and never will be. If it was the same server getting the same BL everytime then that would just be wrong.. but it won’t be that way. Would love to have 3 different BL’s… but since we only have a choice between the same one everywhere and 2 +1 different then I like the idea of one different over all the same.. just my opinion of course

I definitely see your logic. Also, as others have already mentioned, I understand simultaneous BLs would give players the option to choose which BL they want to play on, which is a great thing.

It’s a tough decision honestly. Lots of different opinions and factors to consider.

They could also design a third and new BL map and have them based on colors (which I’ve mentioned before elsewhere). I think variety is good. I’ve been here 3+ years and running around Alpine is super easy; running around Desert is less so… I was relying on my latest wvw guild to show me around the Desert map and I still got lost now and then on my own. I look forward to playing on it again.

I dislike Desert but I am also not a huge fan of Alpine either and Alpine did run for too long as well. That said variety is better in my opinion.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

One server having a different BL might not be fair.

I don’t get it.
Why having a desert bl as home bl would not be fair ? The mechanics of the maps are exactly the same.

Actually they are slightly not the same.

In Alpine… taking the northern towers provides an alternate avenue to attack the garrison.

In DBL … taking the northern towers means, you took a northern tower. I don’t believe there is anything else. You get buffs from the regional shrines.

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

Most people would rather support the future of WvW development, than to turn on it. I could care less about DBL, but I prefer to have avenues always on for players who want to go there and have fun.

Also I doubt we would ever get a new map if DBL was shot down. Variety allows players to keep it kinda fresh every now and then, just like playing different classes.

It’s not a bad thing for the future of wvw, the way the poll is going.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

I honestly stopped going to WvW as a solo roamer when the Desert BLs were released. It was only once I joined a WvW guild that I went more often. The BL is a bit confusing and overwhelming (in the same sense that EotM is confusing the first 10 times you run through it). It’s a complex map. Once I got to know the map better I liked it, but I did need people to guide me (the first 100 times).

Hexinx.1872:

Actually they are slightly not the same.

In Alpine… taking the northern towers provides an alternate avenue to attack the garrison.

In DBL … taking the northern towers means, you took a northern tower. I don’t believe there is anything else.

bro you can’t look at a thing only from an attacker point of view.
let me show you.

In alpine – defending the northern towers almost certainly forces the attacker to use the water gate, making garrison easily defendable.

So that’s not really an argument for alpine being different than desert.

The “should desert bl stay” poll was a bit loaded. Lots of people want new maps, they just want them to be well made, which desert bl isn’t. But Anet said during the previous simultaneous vs. separate poll that they’d be more likely to make a new map if desert bl stays and simultaneous won. People on Reddit asked Anet to redo that poll because they’d have voted differently if they had known that, so they did. It’s hard to say how many people actually want to keep the map for its own merits vs. how many vote to keep it just because that’s also the “Do you want us to develop a new map at all?” option, even if they hate that particular map.

But judging from the fact that people play the alpines even when EB isn’t queued (and sometimes an alpine map or two will be queued even when EB isn’t) yet I almost never saw anyone on the desert bls unless EB was queued, desert bl probably isn’t popular. While you see blobs and ktrains on both alpine and desert, alpine was also popular with roamers and other small groups. Desert, not so much. Once the oasis event was removed from desert, so were most of the roamers. So unless a ktrain was on the map for easy undefended doors (since people often couldn’t be bothered to run so far to an objective to try to hold it), it was a dead map.

Remember when they ran the simultaneous vs separate poll earlier, 2 alpine beat 2 desert 55% to 15%. Alpine’s still the clear favorite.

True, in both points of view… it’s highlighted. The norther towers mean something in aBL, but they mean little in DBL.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

Idk why people are voting for simultaneous borderlands. One server having a different BL might not be fair. Not to mention, it doesn’t make sense having mixed borderlands unless all three maps are different. Now that would be a cool idea.

I think part of the reason is because it’s quarterly rotation, when it should rotate every week to keep things fresh. A quarter is just too long.

If you want all three maps different then vote for simultaneous BLs. Because Anet dev stated that they would be more likely to develop another map if simultaneous BLs were voted in.

Yea, because DBLs was the ONLY reason people left wvw.

Do some of you even play the game????

/facepalm

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

No, this is a bullkitten kitten “conclusion” that you pulled out of your behind because you just cannot bear the thought that the majority of GW2 players do not share your distaste for a particular map. You people can literally never be happy. With the way this nnew poll went you will never even be forced to play on DBL because there will always be 2ABL maps (unless ANet introduces a new WvW map). Just accept that and be happy that you aren’t forced to play on a map you don’t enjoy.

Elementalist Owner.7802:

Idk why people are voting for simultaneous borderlands. One server having a different BL might not be fair. Not to mention, it doesn’t make sense having mixed borderlands unless all three maps are different. Now that would be a cool idea.

I think part of the reason is because it’s quarterly rotation, when it should rotate every week to keep things fresh. A quarter is just too long.

Fair? Nobody cares about PPT. Or at least thats what everyone says.

Fact is, mixed borders is a win-win situation while rotating borders is a loose-loose situation for the community.

If people dislike desert and choose mixed borders this mean that the majority will play on 2 maps as opposed to 3 which means more activity and more fights. Thats what everyone wants.

If people like desert and choose mixed borders well then they know exactly where to go instead of spreading out over 3 borders, dont they? So that means more activity on that desert border among those that like desert.

Everybody wins.

If people dislike desert and choose rotating borders then they will hate WvW for 3 long months and let that hate go out on those that like it, creating a toxic community and low activity on all borders while making a long queue to EB.

If people like desert and choose rotating borders then they will still hate WvW for the next 3 long months and let that hate go out on those that dislike it, creating a toxic community and low activity on all borders while making a long queue to EB.

Everybody loose.

Aeolus.3615:

Stilk.6312:

So the new poll about “the future of WvW” is basically about bringing us to the past once again? Trying to shove us the desert borderlands in our throats ?

77% + it means something right?? players voted…. mixed bl’s

And how many of those players voted for this simply to not have 6 months a year fully unplayable BLs? I know I did…

OriOri.8724:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

No, this is a bullkitten kitten “conclusion” that you pulled out of your behind because you just cannot bear the thought that the majority of GW2 players do not share your distaste for a particular map. You people can literally never be happy. With the way this nnew poll went you will never even be forced to play on DBL because there will always be 2ABL maps (unless ANet introduces a new WvW map). Just accept that and be happy that you aren’t forced to play on a map you don’t enjoy.

His conclusion is actually spot on. Tons of wvw people quit gw2 when DBL came and never returned. Granted it was not only the DBL, but this was what put them over the edge. How do I know this? 12 wvw people I knew did exactly this. Buy hey, maybe those 12 guys are the only ones who did this, amirite?

I bet on it to support future WvW development.

I also voted because I believe the best theme parks are ones that cater to the masses, regardless of my personal opinion.

I also voted for it because if I have the right to vote, I will use that right. I’m not lazy like some arm-chair complainer telling everyone why things are wrong with society , but fails to cast their own vote. And to be honest, we need less of those.

I believe a lot of people have personal opinions (strong ones too) on both sides of the argument. But I also believe this is the best viable option for the future of WvW. Rotating BL’s seems somewhat counter to building and growing your communities.

You like a cheeseburger, I like a chicken burger… in the end, if we can get both at the same establishment at the same time, no need for any to go hungry

Elementalist Owner.7802:

Idk why people are voting for simultaneous borderlands. One server having a different BL might not be fair. Not to mention, it doesn’t make sense having mixed borderlands unless all three maps are different. Now that would be a cool idea.

I think part of the reason is because it’s quarterly rotation, when it should rotate every week to keep things fresh. A quarter is just too long.

How exactly is having 3 different borderlands making it any more fair? what if the new bl isn’t quite as good as abl? what if the new bl is better than abl? are people going to continue crying about not having the “bestest” bl?

They have to manually switch the maps every time they want to change them, that’s why they won’t do it weekly or monthly.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

OriOri.8724:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

No, this is a bullkitten kitten “conclusion” that you pulled out of your behind because you just cannot bear the thought that the majority of GW2 players do not share your distaste for a particular map. You people can literally never be happy. With the way this nnew poll went you will never even be forced to play on DBL because there will always be 2ABL maps (unless ANet introduces a new WvW map). Just accept that and be happy that you aren’t forced to play on a map you don’t enjoy.

His conclusion is actually spot on. Tons of wvw people quit gw2 when DBL came and never returned. Granted it was not only the DBL, but this was what put them over the edge. How do I know this? 12 wvw people I knew did exactly this. Buy hey, maybe those 12 guys are the only ones who did this, amirite?

12 of your friends is not statistically significant. There are lots of people that know 12 other players that only started playing WvW because of ABL being removed temporarily and DBL coming in. You can’t use anecdotes like that. The fact remains that more than 3 people voted to keep DBL for every 1 person that voted to remove it. You said it yourself, DBL was not why they quit.

For all of the people claming that people quit WvW because of DBL I pose a question. Why did these players not come back when ABL came back if they really did leave because of DBL? People came back for the WvW update that happened a full 2 weeks before ABL was put back in rotation and the population has been dropping since. People didn’t come back for ABL, which means they didn’t leave just because of DBL. DBL might have been a convenient excuse to quit a game mode that they no longer enjoyed because it hasn’t been taken care of, but they did not leave because of DBL.

Mushin.3928:

INB4 Desert is garbage, nobody plays it, ANet is killing wvw, ANet should listen to the wvw vets, ded gaem.

Well then now both the community and anet are killing wvsw.
You must feel very lonely at this point. You had to fight against anet and rally the troops to get alpine back in. And now the army you created has sided with anet, leaving you out on the curb to rot.

Would you like a hug? You look like you need a hug.

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

Aeolus.3615:

Stilk.6312:

So the new poll about “the future of WvW” is basically about bringing us to the past once again? Trying to shove us the desert borderlands in our throats ?

77% + it means something right?? players voted…. mixed bl’s

And how many of those players voted for this simply to not have 6 months a year fully unplayable BLs? I know I did…

The reason why people vote the way they vote is irrelevant, or should I say the reason why an individual votes a certain way can’t be relevant when considering the results of these polls because as a blind poll no-one, and I mean no-one, can say how many or how few people voted one way or another because of reason X.

If we, when looking at the results, start to think things like “surely, the majority of people who voted Y did so because of X” we are right back at making completely unsubstantiated claims based on something as vague as a feeling.

Ultimately, we know what the WvW team thinks on this matter because of Tyler’s post when the previous poll was running… and frankly that is good enough for me at least. We are not game designers, while they are people who do this for a living.

Nothing about this game is perfectly balanced. What matters is it’s close enough to be fun. Already if you’ve drawn Red, you have 3 towers that are really hard to defend, it’s easier to defend Blue or Green. Defending Bravost and defending Jerri are totally different things. Nobody has been clamoring for better balance in EBG because it’s close enough and it’s fun.

Having 3 Alpines with 2 of the maps with all the Keeps at T3 because nobody dares attack them isn’t fun.

OriOri.8724:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

No, this is a bullkitten kitten “conclusion” that you pulled out of your behind because you just cannot bear the thought that the majority of GW2 players do not share your distaste for a particular map. You people can literally never be happy. With the way this nnew poll went you will never even be forced to play on DBL because there will always be 2ABL maps (unless ANet introduces a new WvW map). Just accept that and be happy that you aren’t forced to play on a map you don’t enjoy.

Nope. I was around before HoT and have seen with my own eyes that population has decreased 70%. Did it ever recover? Not at all. Even with servers merged, WvW activity is pretty low.

Bringing back the DBL? I think anet will witness the result first hand. Go for it, dangerous waters

OriOri.8724:

SkyFallsInThunder.8257:

OriOri.8724:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

No, this is a bullkitten kitten “conclusion” that you pulled out of your behind because you just cannot bear the thought that the majority of GW2 players do not share your distaste for a particular map. You people can literally never be happy. With the way this nnew poll went you will never even be forced to play on DBL because there will always be 2ABL maps (unless ANet introduces a new WvW map). Just accept that and be happy that you aren’t forced to play on a map you don’t enjoy.

His conclusion is actually spot on. Tons of wvw people quit gw2 when DBL came and never returned. Granted it was not only the DBL, but this was what put them over the edge. How do I know this? 12 wvw people I knew did exactly this. Buy hey, maybe those 12 guys are the only ones who did this, amirite?

12 of your friends is not statistically significant. There are lots of people that know 12 other players that only started playing WvW because of ABL being removed temporarily and DBL coming in. You can’t use anecdotes like that. The fact remains that more than 3 people voted to keep DBL for every 1 person that voted to remove it. You said it yourself, DBL was not why they quit.

For all of the people claming that people quit WvW because of DBL I pose a question. Why did these players not come back when ABL came back if they really did leave because of DBL? People came back for the WvW update that happened a full 2 weeks before ABL was put back in rotation and the population has been dropping since. People didn’t come back for ABL, which means they didn’t leave just because of DBL. DBL might have been a convenient excuse to quit a game mode that they no longer enjoyed because it hasn’t been taken care of, but they did not leave because of DBL.

I was using it as an example, but I guess that went over your head.

The fact is that after DBL hit WvW took a significant dive in population. T1 DBLs were ghost towns, and in theory T1 has the most numbers and the most WvW-focused players, no? Well, except for when the EB zergs came to quickly cap/defend a keep, maybe a tower and then hop back to EB for some actual fun. Most people just DID NOT PLAY THEM and the proof of that is THE FACT THAT THEY WERE EMPTY MOST OF THE TIME. How you can not understand this is beyond me. Yes, there were people who liked them, but so few that the maps were empty.

And when people quit a game, they rarely come back, which is what happened to the people who quit when DBL hit. Sure, some of them came back, but precious few comparatively to what was before. The others just moved on, forgot about gw2, played new games etc etc, just normal things people do when they quit a game. Alpine BL is not the saviour, it’s not the perfect map, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN DBL. There is now a lot of action now in the BL, sometimes more so than in EB, because people like to play there.

I’m sorry, but your logic is as flawed as your ideas. I’m done with this. Keep thinking w/e you want to think.

Lord Kuru.3685:

OriOri.8724:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

No, this is a bullkitten kitten “conclusion” that you pulled out of your behind because you just cannot bear the thought that the majority of GW2 players do not share your distaste for a particular map. You people can literally never be happy. With the way this nnew poll went you will never even be forced to play on DBL because there will always be 2ABL maps (unless ANet introduces a new WvW map). Just accept that and be happy that you aren’t forced to play on a map you don’t enjoy.

Nope. I was around before HoT and have seen with my own eyes that population has decreased 70%. Did it ever recover? Not at all. Even with servers merged, WvW activity is pretty low.

ANet has the numbers, not you. So you cannot say it has decreased by 70% and it be factually true. You may like to think that number is true but unless you have the concrete numbers that ANet has you have no idea what the number is. And by the way they will not tell you the numbers and they never have given those numbers out in over 10 years.

I would prefer the following:

Three homeland maps.

You have desert, alpine, EB reworked as homeland map. (and EB removed!)

So with 3 month of server linking, you have one month for each map + realm to have it as homeland.

:-).
But this is just what i would do.

Hesacon.8735:

I see the appeal of alpine and all, but two of the keeps you can catapult both walls with the same catapult and that makes things a lot less interesting for me.

You can catapult two walls on all three keeps.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Balthazzarr.1349:

“Most” of the people actually want them around according to the polls and most stuff I’m reading.

No. The correct conclusion is that most of the people (I’d say roughtly 70 percent) who stopped playing because of DBL when HoT was released, have never come back, hence the recent poll result.

Anet should care about the players still remaining, not the ones long gone. Mentioning that people who quit would make a difference in the pool result is moot point since these people don’t even play the game anymore.

Jeknar.6184:

Anet should care about the players still remaining, not the ones long gone. Mentioning that people who quit would make a difference in the pool result is moot point since these people don’t even play the game anymore.

They basically flat out said as much… ie. that people that no longer play the game should not have a say in what happens to it.

I love this poll! We need 75% of the votes for abl + dbl or we are screwed again with dbl for 3 months every 6 months. It’s like an election in north korea…wait…there are no elections at all so I think we have to be satisfied with this kittening kitten. gg anet!

RodOfDeath.5247:

Bringing back the DBL? I think anet will witness the result first hand. Go for it, dangerous waters

Dude I’m ready to drop the sky! just lemme know when!

Wolfric.9380:

You have desert, alpine, EB reworked as homeland map. (and EB removed!)

Messing with the most popular map? are you trying to help or destroy wvw faster?

Jeknar.6184:

Hesacon.8735:

I see the appeal of alpine and all, but two of the keeps you can catapult both walls with the same catapult and that makes things a lot less interesting for me.

You can catapult two walls on all three keeps.

Yuppers, garri ne outer/inner wall, hills mid outer/inner wall, hills north outer/inner wall if positioned properly, bay south outer/se inner wall. Also blue keep in ebg on and east and west sides, but not red or green keeps.

Xenesis.6389:

Yuppers, garri ne outer/inner wall, hills mid outer/inner wall, hills north outer/inner wall if positioned properly, bay south outer/se inner wall. Also blue keep in ebg on and east and west sides, but not red or green keeps.

Actually you can cata outer and inner of green keep from Jerrifer’s Sentry.

Wonderful. Right now the 2 Alpines/1 DBL only has 74.9% of the vote…and needs, what. 75% to pass? Sigh.

One more nail in the coffin of WvW. What can’t the people who voted the other way see that?

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Also I doubt we would ever get a new map if DBL was shot down.

So…you believe Anet would virtually stomp their feet, frown, and take their ball and go home if we voted down the DBL?