Guild Wars 2

I know you guys are probably busy but seriously some of this stuff is just getting old. My guild mates who dont WvW just laugh but im just on the verge of not doing WvW for a couple of months.

We are on EB and we are taking a tower, we had 2 rams and a cata at this door and it has maybe 25% dmg left to be done and what do you know it upgrades. No way thanks, there is no one around and its freaking upgraded. This happened twice in less then 30 minutes. It is soul crushing to have this happen. We actually quit when after we tried to take a tower after the keep and it upgraded and the zerg came and got us at our location. We have just taken back our quarter of our BL back for some odd reason everything blew up in our faces.

There are some serious bugs like killing the upgrade person first makes it so teh supervisor is blue but the camp is green. The daily’s still being shot, guild missions not always working and this one is my new favorite.

We are taking the keep and this has happened twice before for me in the last week. We get to the inner of the keep and we are actually confused on where the champion is. We took down a wall and a gate only to find that if we simply just dropped the other wall we wouldnt need to kill the gate. Luckily for my sanity the enemy zerg didnt come when we were taking the keep. For i would of lost my mind as we were looking for a good 2 minutes as to where a champion would of gone.

You should have a Borderland that is bug map. You know when things are not where there suppose to be or you dont actually have to take camps they just magically switch over to another team.

My guild members love it and think its super funny being they can jsut laugh at it and walk away but i used to come in here daily and do stuff and its embarrassing that WvW is doing this stuff atm.

Yeah happened to us earlier in the week that lord was inbetween the double doors at green keep. Needless to say that wasn’t the way we got in the keep <.<

On the good side use it to your advantage! From what i understand the bug is simple. The lord comes back where he was killed. So when you are capping something like a keep. Kill the lord somewhere stupid.

I didnt take a picture of this one, (i dont know why) but the champ was in the gate wall this time. We all just attacked the wall basically.

You can actually check the time until the next upgrade finishes now. Just click the circle-icon of the structure on the map or mini-map. It even works for enemy structures.

You can check the timer for when it’s going to upgrade by clicking on it on your map. This is a thing that could happen pre-HoT too, but you couldn’t check. So…if it’s happening, it’s really your own fault.

Sviel.7493:

You can check the timer for when it’s going to upgrade by clicking on it on your map. This is a thing that could happen pre-HoT too, but you couldn’t check. So…if it’s happening, it’s really your own fault.

No not exactly… Pre-HoT there were workers you could kill to prevent upgrades from happening while you were there.

Yep, it’s time war now… Before you could just killed all the dolly and starve the keep, then no upgrade will happen during the attack.
Now that’s is over, Welcome to time war.

Chaba.5410:

Sviel.7493:

You can check the timer for when it’s going to upgrade by clicking on it on your map. This is a thing that could happen pre-HoT too, but you couldn’t check. So…if it’s happening, it’s really your own fault.

No not exactly… Pre-HoT there were workers you could kill to prevent upgrades from happening while you were there.

And even if you couldnt kill the workers, the keep would not upgrade if out of supplies.

We often heard our commander telling roamers to go kill dollys when we wanted to starve it out or prevent it from upgrading, especially if it was about to be waypointed. It was an important task for friendly roamers and it was important for enemies. If a keep was under assault and waypoint at 99%… well suddenly that dolly became very important.

Now no one care about it.

I dont mind seeing the upgrade status on the minimap or the fixed tiers. But they need to be started manually and they need to require a certain amount of dollys instead of being on a timer. Would have loved to see a top to bottom tree choice to vary keep fortifications a bit, just minor touches. Like, you can choose T1 with a couple of fixed arrowcarts or T1 with a a treb and an extra oil over the door. Guilds would have an additional upgrade choice on claimed keeps.

But whatever, broken system is broken.

Sich.7103:

Yep, it’s time war now… Before you could just killed all the dolly and starve the keep, then no upgrade will happen during the attack.
Now that’s is over, Welcome to time war.

Well that sure beats it being troll war.

I would rather have a definitive factor that was easy to see, then new characters from the other servers, showing up every other day, and building 19 ballista at each supply camp se that we never have supply to upgrade.

@Coglin : it’s not because you was on a bad server with tons of troll that we have all sufer the same issue… On Piken we had some troll but not all the day… Even not all weeks..
And those players should be banned from WvW… Now all the community is punished because of those troll.

Sich.7103:

@Coglin : it’s not because you was on a bad server with tons of troll that we have all sufer the same issue… On Piken we had some troll but not all the day… Even not all weeks..
And those players should be banned from WvW… Now all the community is punished because of those troll.

They successfully trolled the whole wvw community if the auto-upgrades were their doing!
Bezt Trollz Evah!

Sich.7103:

@Coglin : it’s not because you was on a bad server with tons of troll that we have all sufer the same issue… On Piken we had some troll but not all the day… Even not all weeks..
And those players should be banned from WvW… Now all the community is punished because of those troll.

Seems somewhat ill-informed to declare an entire server as a “bad server” when it is players from an entirely different server that come over to troll.

The thing is, you have to look at it in the scope of more then just yours or mine. As there were very literally new threads, daily, complaining about this issue. I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for maintaining systems that promote trolling.

I support to ban all troll…. Not to remove something that was interesting to play (at least for me).
It’s not because we have thief in real life that we remove money…. We catch those thief and send them in jail…
But anet never care about that, they never took the time to act against players who destroy the game. That’s te real issue.

Sich.7103:

I support to ban all troll…. Not to remove something that was interesting to play (at least for me).

A troll can justify and present an argument for a lot of what they do. They can create siege that they intend for supply wasting, but you cannot ban them for building siege on walls or around camps.

As well, it is not very rational to have a system that allows troll and pay manpower to deal with them, when you can simply have a system that doesn’t benefit and support trolling.

Sich.7103:

It’s not because we have thief in real life that we remove money…. We catch those thief and send them in jail…

I feel a little sad if your having difficulty differentiating “real life” and the “game”. But there is a difference, they have different rules.

Your not very aware of how the real world works if you actually believe that systems do not change in order to prevent troll. Point in case, got to an airport now, and compare it to going to an airport in early 2001.

Sich.7103:

But anet never care about that, they never took the time to act against players who destroy the game. That’s te real issue.

They didn’t? Interesting. Your taking the disingenuous claims so far as to imply you speak for them? Odd since there are whole threads dedicated to them calling out, banning, and tending to trolls, as well as videos of it.

I see so many hacker, I had one in my friend list… Each week his team was against us we see him going on our map, taking stuff by WP inside keep and killing lord from underground… This guys was reported hundred time, but we see that guy again and again… He was reported from his own server… But nothing… Don’t tell me that anet was doing something about that…
And when someone build plenty siege everywhere (like rams), again and again you can tell that this guy is detroying the game.
And yes, I saw a lof of video of this troll, but generally anet don’t do anything about those guys…

coglin.1867:

The thing is, you have to look at it in the scope of more then just yours or mine. As there were very literally new threads, daily, complaining about this issue. I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for maintaining systems that promote trolling.

Coglin, if I dumped a great big pile of manure on your drive, then you would be in your rights to complain and demand that I get rid of it.

If I choose to get rid of it by planting a mine under it and blowing your entire front yard sky-high, would you think it fair that when you complain, my response is “hey, you asked me to get rid of the manure, and I did, so what’s your problem?”.

Just because they technically solved one problem, doesn’t make the solution acceptable if it breaks something else.

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PART III – Expanded Details of Major Mechanics & Triggers v.33
e) Anti-Trolling, Buffs, & Counter-Weights

Not Implemented
…Anti-Troll – WvW Dishonor Flag
……1) Let the WvW community of players flag the player(s) they think are Trolls.
……2) Put limitations on how this flag is applied to prevent abuse.
……3) Then decide on what the Dishonor flag does to these Trolls.

…Free Accounts – Can’t Buy, Deploy, or Email WvW Siege (with HoT release) – See Related – [Players]

…Free Accounts – Can’t Claim Objectives (with HoT release) – See Related – [Players]

a) Players & Guilds

Current
…Free Accounts – Level 60 required to access WvW – See Related – [Feedback] – [Services] – [Anti-Trolling]

Ragnar.4257:

coglin.1867:

The thing is, you have to look at it in the scope of more then just yours or mine. As there were very literally new threads, daily, complaining about this issue. I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for maintaining systems that promote trolling.

Coglin, if I dumped a great big pile of manure on your drive, then you would be in your rights to complain and demand that I get rid of it.

If I choose to get rid of it by planting a mine under it and blowing your entire front yard sky-high, would you think it fair that when you complain, my response is “hey, you asked me to get rid of the manure, and I did, so what’s your problem?”.

Just because they technically solved one problem, doesn’t make the solution acceptable if it breaks something else.

Your analogy doesn’t make any sense.

The funny thing, is you see no one offer any acceptable alternative, you just cry about the one you got. If it was so simply, why did you not offer a good solution.

They solved the hacker complaint, the needless gold sink complaint, and the extremely vast demand to make defending easier, all in one change.

Offer solutions…arguing will muddy the waters folks…so any proposed solution is drowned out and not really seen.

IMHO

coglin.1867:

Ragnar.4257:

coglin.1867:

The thing is, you have to look at it in the scope of more then just yours or mine. As there were very literally new threads, daily, complaining about this issue. I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for maintaining systems that promote trolling.

Coglin, if I dumped a great big pile of manure on your drive, then you would be in your rights to complain and demand that I get rid of it.

If I choose to get rid of it by planting a mine under it and blowing your entire front yard sky-high, would you think it fair that when you complain, my response is “hey, you asked me to get rid of the manure, and I did, so what’s your problem?”.

Just because they technically solved one problem, doesn’t make the solution acceptable if it breaks something else.

Your analogy doesn’t make any sense.

The funny thing, is you see no one offer any acceptable alternative, you just cry about the one you got. If it was so simply, why did you not offer a good solution.

They solved the hacker complaint, the needless gold sink complaint, and the extremely vast demand to make defending easier, all in one change.

I actually have offered solutions, you can even check my post history if you want.

There are solutions to supply-trolling that don’t break roaming and make camps/dollies worthless.

The most obvious one being split supply into building and siege supplies. Which is effectively what they already have done, they have just chosen to go one step too far and have “building supplies” auto-generate on the objective.

My analogy is still valid. You can’t justify breaking one thing by saying it fixes another.

Ragnar.4257:

My analogy is still valid. You can’t justify breaking one thing by saying it fixes another.

You appear to confuse your subjective opinion with that of actual objective fact.

Seems to me it fixed everything and broke nothing. It didn’t effect Zergs. Roamers still make massive contributions, as your server gets 3 ppt points per yak they kill or yack they escort in, then can still build defensive siege up, kill enemy players, take back, and keep camps.

No aspect of the WvW roles fundamentally changed. Some of the minutia did. I get a distinct feeling that your simply being resistant to change in general.

Oddly taking a defended keep has less to do with the auto-upgrade than it does in the supply they have. It might take longer to get through a wall/gate but that objectives supply is effectively what protects it at least in T1. The old adage starve the supply still works.

coglin.1867:

Seems to me it fixed everything and broke nothing.

coglin.1867:

You appear to confuse your subjective opinion with that of actual objective fact.

k.

coglin,

the fix for your troll was the minor supply drop tactic. it gives you 100 supply at the pull of a lever. Just unlock it for about 250 G and then use it for 5 gold at a camp.

Auto upgrades aren’t the solution. There needs to be a way for assaulters to prevent an upgrade, not just slow it.

coglin.1867:

Ragnar.4257:

My analogy is still valid. You can’t justify breaking one thing by saying it fixes another.

You appear to confuse your subjective opinion with that of actual objective fact.

Seems to me it fixed everything and broke nothing. It didn’t effect Zergs. Roamers still make massive contributions, as your server gets 3 ppt points per yak they kill or yack they escort in, then can still build defensive siege up, kill enemy players, take back, and keep camps.

No aspect of the WvW roles fundamentally changed. Some of the minutia did. I get a distinct feeling that your simply being resistant to change in general.

It would just be points, not PPT.

Killing yaks, escorting yaks, flipping sentries are all direct point contributions. They do not add to PPT

And roles did fundamentally change. A roamer can slow an upgrade, but cannot prevent one as before. If you cant grasp that difference, I don’t think I can help you.

Your playstyle may not have changed much, but as you can see it has greatly effected others. Its likely a difference in how WvW is played between tiers. Small groups are a large part of lower tiers. Unpreventable auto upgrades and increased supply costs on siege make strategically flipping an objective much more difficult.

coglin.1867:

Sich.7103:

@Coglin : it’s not because you was on a bad server with tons of troll that we have all sufer the same issue… On Piken we had some troll but not all the day… Even not all weeks..
And those players should be banned from WvW… Now all the community is punished because of those troll.

Seems somewhat ill-informed to declare an entire server as a “bad server” when it is players from an entirely different server that come over to troll.

The thing is, you have to look at it in the scope of more then just yours or mine. As there were very literally new threads, daily, complaining about this issue. I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for maintaining systems that promote trolling.

I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for promoting your experiences over others. When I have seen you time and time again explain to people that they have to take everything into account. Not just a few disgruntled people posting on the forums.

Wryscher.1432:

coglin.1867:

Sich.7103:

@Coglin : it’s not because you was on a bad server with tons of troll that we have all sufer the same issue… On Piken we had some troll but not all the day… Even not all weeks..
And those players should be banned from WvW… Now all the community is punished because of those troll.

Seems somewhat ill-informed to declare an entire server as a “bad server” when it is players from an entirely different server that come over to troll.

The thing is, you have to look at it in the scope of more then just yours or mine. As there were very literally new threads, daily, complaining about this issue. I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for maintaining systems that promote trolling.

I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for promoting your experiences over others. When I have seen you time and time again explain to people that they have to take everything into account. Not just a few disgruntled people posting on the forums.

I am not sure how what your suggesting (seems kind of shady that you presume to speak for me) but I do not see anything particularly subjective about all the daily threads complaining about siege trolls, supply trolls, and hackers under maps. I haven’t seen a single complaint on those yet.

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic of a lord getting locked outside a keep?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-road-ahead-for-2015/

Nothing’s getting done until next year at the earliest.

msalakka.4653:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-road-ahead-for-2015/

Nothing’s getting done until next year at the earliest.

Till next year ? okay…yeah…fine…im ok with that.

criesincorner

No joke, i dont think anyone will be left in WvW by next year !
My server has already lost 2 commanders, and it’s only gonna get worse if things dont change soon

And it doesnt sound like the other servers are doing any better !

coglin.1867:

Wryscher.1432:

coglin.1867:

Sich.7103:

@Coglin : it’s not because you was on a bad server with tons of troll that we have all sufer the same issue… On Piken we had some troll but not all the day… Even not all weeks..
And those players should be banned from WvW… Now all the community is punished because of those troll.

Seems somewhat ill-informed to declare an entire server as a “bad server” when it is players from an entirely different server that come over to troll.

The thing is, you have to look at it in the scope of more then just yours or mine. As there were very literally new threads, daily, complaining about this issue. I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for maintaining systems that promote trolling.

I have to be honest, and say, I am genuinely surprised that you show such support for promoting your experiences over others. When I have seen you time and time again explain to people that they have to take everything into account. Not just a few disgruntled people posting on the forums.

I am not sure how what your suggesting (seems kind of shady that you presume to speak for me) but I do not see anything particularly subjective about all the daily threads complaining about siege trolls, supply trolls, and hackers under maps. I haven’t seen a single complaint on those yet.

What does any of that have to do with the thread topic of a lord getting locked outside a keep?

Yet you do see something subjective about the daily threads on how the new borderlands killed roaming. Which was my point. Nothing shady about it. Just pointing out that when the daily threads promote your point of view you point to them and say see I’m right. But when they don’t you ignore them or better yet pretend like they are playing wrong.

And I was actually responding to your derail. So I suppose we could both just go ahead and delete all our responses in this thread since you are all of a sudden worried about being off topic.

It is easier than ever to see upgrade progress for structures that you do not own (by just left clicking on it) so if something upgrades on you while you’re attacking it, that’s your fault for not checking the upgrade status before hitting it.

Not sure if I’m connecting this communication from Devs links correctly? Fractals has gotten attention and response…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Upcoming-Fractal-Changes/first#post5756042

Edit: Be patient folks? We might see something like this in WvW forum before 2016?

We can definitely use a bug fixing patch, some of the issues are really annoying.

-In EBG our keep is constantly contested, it’s not from enemy players, something is causing to be contested all the time.

-Keep/tower lords randomly placed, sometimes outside.

-Walls with graphical glitch that keep flashing.

-Walls/gates that you have to take down 2-3 times. Meaning we knocked down a reinforced gate, only to have to knock down the regular gate afterwards, and again before the gate was opened.

-The oasis event causes severe lag where characters warp around on the screen for everybody in the zone at the time of the event. Severe skill lag even though there’s not a 3-way battle, just some groups of players. During this event we had players randomly take fall damage even though we were running on flat ground, some even have died.

Really Anet, some of these issues are quite serious and they really hinder player’s enjoyment. I get that WvW isn’t as important to you as PvE/sPvP, but we really could use a bug fixing patch sooner than later. Thanks.

add the issue with the south doly

Got to say, auto upgrading has both positive and negative effects. The biggest issue is mismatches, where it gets to the point almost everything is t3 and the smallest server has zero chance of taking back anything and just gives up for the week.

The timer has now become much more important, but for a small group it’s not always possible to time your attacks so the thing doesn’t upgrade half way through.

Notsoperky.2348:

Got to say, auto upgrading has both positive and negative effects.

What positive effects can you name, aside from supply trolling upgrades (which isnt solved due to autoupgrades, just separating player supply) or cost (which have nothing to do with autoupgrades)?