Guild Wars 2

After reading this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Lag-March-2015/page/3 i think it is fairly safe to say that Arena Net’s integrity in the matter of server maintenance and coding a fair, competitive environment is in question currently.

Over the last few years, gamers have complained about lag, but we’ve all grown accustom to these complaints and largely ignored them, due to so many factors “usually” being on the user’s side of the issue.

This evening, i recorded TC and BG members on both EBG and JQBL to be much lower than Jade Quarry’s blob sizes, while TC experienced an anomoly where all 4 of our maps were queued, and after verifying the numbers with our on-map commanders. I don’t believe that Jade Quarry is responsible, nor should be held responsible for this, as this is a problem with the server-side application and database coding.

Tarnished Coast, as a server, as well as our competitors Jade Quarry, and Blackgate, spend a great deal of time organizing and analyzing both our own WvW environments and the Tier 1 environment as a whole. I hate to think that alot of time spent in these processes are a gross misuse of our collective time, due to server resource issues or faulty code on Arena Net’s end.

This is a request to all 3 server communities in tier 1, to band together and reach out to Arena Net, demanding an official, and well documented statement of proof, showing times and player statistics to defend the Tier 1 WvW maps for at least one month, up to and including this weekend (4/5-4/6).

I know that this request is overly ambitious and you may be asking yourselves why you should get involved, as long as the server coding issues play to your benefit, but as a competitive gamer, wanting an equal environment to compete against ALL of our fellow gamers in Tier 1, I cordially and sincerely ask your utmost serious attention and diligence in this matter.

Please copy and past this request on your individual server/guild forums.

Thank you for your time.

All I take from this is
“My server lost a fight there for I swear, while offering no proof, that they had more players on the map”

I have been PINed up on various border lands for JQ for the past 6 hours, and I call shenanigans.

You could at least make the effort to show some evidence.

good luck to you sir

Hopefully OP hopped on JQ and saw we also had queues on all maps. This was a direct result of Anet tweaking the map cap down. It was rather annoying because we only had 2 active commanders working 2 maps, 1 had a map blob, the other had only 20’ish. This was around 6pm pst.

How many commanders did you have, how many map blobs were you running?

Purely anecdotal, but earlier today JQ had a queue on their borderlands and yet couldn’t field anyone to defend anything. We had maybe 25-30 active players on the map against hordes of BG and TC. There were no noticeable havoc groups roaming around because nothing was being capped in our favor. So this can only mean there’s a massive influx of afk crafters. Time to move the crafting stations to the ruins so people have to fight to craft their stuff!

Boysenberry.1869:

Time to move the crafting stations to the ruins so people have to fight to craft their stuff!

That’s a good idea

Reverence.6915:

Boysenberry.1869:

Time to move the crafting stations to the ruins so people have to fight to craft their stuff!

That’s a good idea

DO IT!

They really need to get rid of the crafting stations though. Pve players already are making WvW near impossible with the insane server population statuses, joining wvw to do the daily ruin achievement or craft and filling the map is absolutely absurd. Separate pve from wvw completely.

JQ may very well have had more players last night.

The cap was changed on the fly if JQ had a full map queue and the others did not it would stand to reason that JQ would have more players till they left.

But this is WvW, it’s not about fair or balance. So while you’re probably right, it makes no difference.

dancingmonkey.4902:

All I take from this is
“My server lost a fight there for I swear, while offering no proof, that they had more players on the map”

I have been PINed up on various border lands for JQ for the past 6 hours, and I call shenanigans.

You could at least make the effort to show some evidence.

gavyne.6847:

Hopefully OP hopped on JQ and saw we also had queues on all maps. This was a direct result of Anet tweaking the map cap down. It was rather annoying because we only had 2 active commanders working 2 maps, 1 had a map blob, the other had only 20’ish. This was around 6pm pst.

How many commanders did you have, how many map blobs were you running?

Between 2 guilds, we had exactly 55 TC on JQBL at 10PM EST lastnight. Can you confirm on the JQBL side, what your numbers were at that time?

I was seeing right around 70 of you in JQBL Garrison when we had attacked.

BG, can you also confirm your numbers at that time?

Boysenberry.1869:

Time to move the crafting stations to the ruins so people have to fight to craft their stuff!

I like this. Can we have it so we can watch from watergate? you know…popcorn times.

slamfunction.7462:

dancingmonkey.4902:

All I take from this is
“My server lost a fight there for I swear, while offering no proof, that they had more players on the map”

I have been PINed up on various border lands for JQ for the past 6 hours, and I call shenanigans.

You could at least make the effort to show some evidence.

gavyne.6847:

Hopefully OP hopped on JQ and saw we also had queues on all maps. This was a direct result of Anet tweaking the map cap down. It was rather annoying because we only had 2 active commanders working 2 maps, 1 had a map blob, the other had only 20’ish. This was around 6pm pst.

How many commanders did you have, how many map blobs were you running?

Between 2 guilds, we had exactly 55 TC on JQBL at 10PM EST lastnight. Can you confirm on the JQBL side, what your numbers were at that time?

I was seeing right around 70 of you in JQBL Garrison when we had attacked.

BG, can you also confirm your numbers at that time?

Can you prove that you had exactly 55? For that matter, can anyone?

I cannot speak for TCBL because I was PINed on BGBL at that time.

I Hopped over to JQBL to defend Garri. You sir, are being dishonest in your claims.

You could all leave tier 1 and re-populate the other servers.
Inb4 “good reasons” for staying in tier 1.

Why would we want to mingle with the scum suckers from “other servers”

No no you little ones can stay down there and we will keep buying the decent guilds who decide they want to play real wvw XD

We had a ‘full queue’ of people on EB, which was roughly 30 people on pin when both TC and BG were 2v1-ing us. Where the others were, I can’t tell you. It seemed (I say SEEMED) like BG had around 50, and TC as well. It’s all about perspective. Having anet leave the cap off ONE server, makes absolutely zero sense.

Alls I know is the wvw servers have been thoroughly borked the last few days…..kittens getten old…

I do agree – this is my connection to the account server of Guildwars2 – as one can see 3 routers are totally borked and I DC. Not A.Net’s fault or can’t really trace it to them for me.

Mine is a basic Comcast issue as they have 3 borked routers with 100% packet loss. I checked with Pingplotter. Everyone need’s to check the in between connections before just blaming it all on A.Net – there is tons of stuff in between that can be borked.

Clearly it’s a illuminardy ponzi scheme to continue the patriarchy. THANKS OBAMA

Good luck, Anet doesn’t take too kindly to demands.

You can report to the forum specialist and he’ll forward that up to Anet.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Can you prove that you had exactly 55? For that matter, can anyone?

I cannot speak for TCBL because I was PINed on BGBL at that time.

I Hopped over to JQBL to defend Garri. You sir, are being dishonest in your claims.

Can i have all 55 people do some kind oath and testimony? No, thats unrealistic. What i can do though, is express a concern over what i am seeing and experiencing with an experienced mind who is very used to the numbers on a particular map. Also, i know the guilds on my end. I can state how many we had in voice chat, how many the other had in voice chat, ad add a variance of +5 for roamers. I may not be accurate down to the exact number, but i can surely come within at least 5 players of it.

zhonnika.1784:

It’s all about perspective. Having anet leave the cap off ONE server, makes absolutely zero sense.

I am not stating that any of this was done purposefully, or towards any gains on behalf of any party included. What i am stating is that I am seeing a problem in Arena Net’s NOC, where they are not monitoring these issues as well as they should, and thus we are developing inconsistencies, which alter the environment quite significantly. These alterations are so significant, i don’t see a point to the WvW game mode anymore, when the technology behind it, is flawed or unstable. Granted, “Free to play” promoters will state that one should “not complain what they get for free”, but i spend on average, $20-$50 a month on this game. Regardless of what the game is labeled, i pay for my subscription to this service and require feedback on any and all technical problems that affect the service in which i pay for.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Good luck, Anet doesn’t take too kindly to demands.

I understand that, because their business practices have never been kosher, however, i’ve over looked said business practices because waging a war against popular opinion on these boards or with this company is useless.

Again, i am looking for coordination from the other tier 1 servers, not trolling. I understand you are happy with the situation, as the flaws in the technology are allowing you to win, but i can’t continue be a loyal customer to this company, if they are false advertizing the game modes and promotion of a fair and competitive gaming environment.

slamfunction.7462:

…ad add a variance of +5 for roamers. I may not be accurate down to the exact number, but i can surely come withing at least 5 players of it.

I’m curious what kind of powers you have to tell exactly how many players are on a map at any given time.

slamfunction.7462:

I understand you are happy with the situation, as the flaws in the technology are allowing you to win

Don’t put words in my mouth, thanks. At no time did I ever think or say that.

You don’t pay every month for this game. If you decided not to…. what would happen? Nothing. You’d still be able to log-in, you’d still be able to play. That’s not how a sub works. Your gem purchase doesn’t actually entitle you to anything other than the use of your gems. That’s the reality.

JQ is winning this week because BG isn’t really pushing. If BG were out pushing, you’d see a vastly different result. Would you then be witch-hunting BG for acting unfairly, or would that be OK?

Seasniffer.1763:

Clearly it’s a illuminardy ponzi scheme to continue the patriarchy. THANKS OBAMA

My cookie doesn’t fit in my glass of milk. Thanks Obama.

zhonnika.1784:

You don’t pay every month for this game. If you decided not to…. what would happen? Nothing. You’d still be able to log-in, you’d still be able to play. That’s not how a sub works. Your gem purchase doesn’t actually entitle you to anything other than the use of your gems. That’s the reality.

JQ is winning this week because BG isn’t really pushing. If BG were out pushing, you’d see a vastly different result. Would you then be witch-hunting BG for acting unfairly, or would that be OK?

Kashmara, first, thank you for your replies and your time in discussing this matter with me. Its appreciated.

In reply to the above post however, win, lose, or otherwise, my goal is to obtain verification that there was a error or bug in the system lastnight, which allowed a competitor access to more players on the map, while we were being held back by a queue.

Regardless of who is winning and who is pushing, none of that matters if there is a bug of flaw in the system that doesn’t allow appropriate queuing or matchmaking.

There is NO competition here, if the technology being used to provide the venue for the competition, is flawed or broken.

If i experienced this in T2, T3, or whatever, i’d still be creating a complaint and awareness thread.

If it happened to be SOR and SOS as our competitors, i STILL would be creating a complaint and awareness thread.

This is in no way, shape, or form anything to do about your standings this week.

This is also in no way, shape, or form anything to do with other player’s internet connection issues.

This is a thread where a flaw was found within Arena Net’s either infrastructure or programming code that created a situation where one competitor received a larger allotment of on-map players than the others.

Crrrystal.6845:

slamfunction.7462:

…ad add a variance of +5 for roamers. I may not be accurate down to the exact number, but i can surely come withing at least 5 players of it.

I’m curious what kind of powers you have to tell exactly how many players are on a map at any given time.

That is just it, he doesn’t. He is making a blind assumption. He is using it to suggest the other servers magically had a higher population cap, with no evidence. In my opinion, this is the type of situation someone would self create to attempt to justify to their ego that when they lost a fight, it was because of completely unfair conditions. Rather then simply admitting they lost a fight.

slamfunction.7462:

Regardless of who is winning and who is pushing, none of that matters if there is a bug of flaw in the system that doesn’t allow appropriate queuing or matchmaking.

Actually, none of that matters, when you are making claims with zero evidence to support.

slamfunction.7462:

This is a thread where a flaw was found within Arena Net’s either infrastructure or programming code that created a situation where one competitor received a larger allotment of on-map players than the others.

I do not believe you. You have no evidence of said flaw. Now devs or officials with Anet have mentioned said flaws.

They have formally announced lag spike issues and that they were considering reducing player counts to some of the T1 servers. If that actually happened, I can’t confirm.

slamfunction.7462:

my goal is to obtain verification that there was a error or bug in the system lastnight, which allowed a competitor access to more players on the map, while we were being held back by a queue.

Why does it matter? It’s a video game please stop getting mad at games, slamfunction.7462

We did not re-experience the issues lastnight. It appears the queue “bug” only occurred Saturday night between the hours of 7PM EST and 11PM EST.

Reverence.6915:

Boysenberry.1869:

Time to move the crafting stations to the ruins so people have to fight to craft their stuff!

That’s a good idea

If map numbers have been reduced crafting stations should be removed entirely.

slamfunction: very good job creating this thread: you are Brave. I Appreciate you for working with us to get information to give to Arena net so they can hopefully find solution to this problem

This might be the most ridiculous thread posted for WvW. Everyone on your map doesn’t rally to the pin, especially if you’re losing, pugs get demoralized, and if they are, good luck getting them to rally. Let alone the different variables involved here, short list;

How many havoc groups did you have on the map?
How many guild groups were out there?
How many roamers did you have?
How many afk in spawn etc did you have?
Was the commander someone recognizable that people will rally to?
Was the commander holding objectives/taking them, or getting wiped repeatedly?

But by all means, continue to call ‘hax’.
Just because you’re losing doesn’t mean someone else is ‘cheating’.

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slamfunction.7462:

We did not re-experience the issues lastnight. It appears the queue “bug” only occurred Saturday night between the hours of 7PM EST and 11PM EST.

Well it is a bit difficult to re-experience something that never happened in the first place.

It is very dishonest of you, in my opinion, to claim your defeat in a specific time period, was do to a bug , that no one else experienced, that you have no evidence for, and that appears completely fabricated.

Well.. why should the numbers on the map have a meaning? The only numbers TC cared about the last weeks was the number of sup ac you could hide behind.
Neither BG nor JQ expect you to fight anyway.

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.