Guild Wars 2

I should start by saying what follows is my own opinion and is not representative of my guild or my server. It is however a way of breaking up the staleness that T1 has become. I am also apparently going to have to break this up into two posts so bear with me.

Too many people keep thinking of WvW as a competition between their favorite sports teams. Its not, not even remotely. We don’t field equal numbers of players, and honestly that would not be a good idea anyway. Numbers matter, and most of us are keenly aware of this. Skill being equal, numbers decide a match, who has more players and who can keep a constant 24/7 presence. The servers in T1 all deserve to be there, very few people aside from the forum warriors that embarrass all three of our servers dispute this. The skill of the WvW players on all three servers is equal. We’re all gamers looking to enjoy the time we play the game.

Jade Quarry is a megaserver. No I am not saying numbers compensates for skill, their WvW players are skilled. But Jade Quarry can field numbers at any given time that no other server can match. No one did this on purpose, it just happened and its how things are. Unless guilds leave Jade Quarry this will never change, and why should they leave just to even out the players in the matches, I am sure they have a great server community and people hate to give that up.

I came to Blackgate from Crystal Desert when we lost all of our major WvW guilds so I missed out on the rivalries that seem to have formed between Blackgate and Sanctum of Rall before I transferred. What I will say is that these rivalries are part of what makes T1 stale. Yeah, Blackgate pulled a win off of Jade Quarry one week, and it was a major accomplishment. I also think that Sanctum of Rall can duplicate such a feat now that their numbers have bolstered if they push really hard for it. But the truth of the matter is neither server, no server really, has the numbers to be able to do it consistently. Once the giant is roused they’re going to dominate a match.

Which brings me to my point, what the hell are we doing guys. I am not going to say that our servers as a whole tend to focus more on each other than Jade Quarry but there are certain guilds that do. No I am not going to call anyone out, that is not the point of this thread. Both of our servers should have Jade Quarry as a priority. Forget the rating system, what we really want is an intense fight where the winner for the week isn’t Carl’s Stone Cold Lock of the Century, of the Week (look it up). Jade Quarry honestly has the numbers where if the other two servers were often double teaming them they could handle it. What this would end up doing is preventing Jade Quarry from taking a commanding lead and making the matches exciting again where even down to the last few days anyone might win. Every week I see basically the same thing, by the end of the weekend Jade Quarry gets WPs up at the keeps in the Borderlands and they rarely lose them, getting them fully upgraded early on and holding them for basically Monday till reset which allows them to keep a solid foothold on the maps. And they do it because we are too busy trying to beat each other. This is the entire point of a three sided match, so that if one server is dominating like that the other two can focus more on that one and bring the entire match back down to an even level. I am sure most of the real WvW players on Jade Quarry would welcome such a change to the match, bring back an intensity to their end that simply isn’t there, by Monday their victory isn’t even in question as long as players still show up for WvW.

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Am I saying leave each other alone? Hell no, that would just make the match stale in another way. We absolutely should meet in glorious combat, but right now for the most part we tend to fight each other more often than we fight Jade Quarry, and it should be the exact opposite of that. The times I am in WvW most of the time the fights in the Borderlands end up being against Sanctum of Rall, its just what I have observed. I am sure this is not the case 24/7, but it is often the case.

I am sure the forum warriors are going to flame this thread hard, with cries of its just Blackgate crying for help, or Blackgate is struggling to stay in T1, or any other nonsense. Bottom line is even if Blackgate drops down to T2 it will only be for a short period of time, and then we’re right back where we started. The only thing that is potentially going to change is Blackgate will be the server that sometimes drops out of T1 instead of Sanctum of Rall.

This is not a call for an alliance, its simply a call for us to open our eyes and use the three sided dynamic for what it was designed for. No one is going to try and force a balance of WvW populations across the servers, its up to us to use the mechanics of the match to keep them as intense as possible. Maybe this will be enough to get both servers to make this tier a closer match than just seeing who is going to take second.

TL;DR If your attention span is seriously that short take some ritalin, try and ignore the pink Christina Aguilara bugs and go back to the top.

I agree with this 100% and have tried to push it many times. I honestly do not know what the bad history is between BG and SOR even after being on this server for a good 3-4 months. But I am sick of seeing the effect of this being the jq dominance which as you say is making t1 stale.

All I see and its happening right now is Jq pushing us in our bl as they have already taken bg and bg of course are coming in the back door taking what else they can. Same thing happens in ebg when we push jq. But it goes both ways and we do that too.

Its time to make it end and make wvw what it should be, a 3 way fight. At the moment it seems like its mainly bg vs sor. The other day (this is the first time I’ve seen this since all 3 servers have been in t1) bg and sor both pushed jq in ebg from both sides with a fight that culminated at jq’s ebg keep. Kudos to jq they fought like hell and fended off both sides but that was a hell of a fight. Give the giant a run for its money

I have said this as well. It wont matter if BG drops down to T2, who ever comes up wont change what has been the norm. It will continue to be 2 and 3 fighting for 2 and 3. No single server atm can match JQs coverage of numbers.

SoR and BG need to constantly push JQ all week long if we want to have a closer score at weeks end

You’re talking to a wall. There is no way that SoR or BG will focus one particular server over the other. WvW is full of opportunistic players, we’re all in it to get a higher PPT to stay on top & to not come in third.

I’ve noticed every single day that as soon as we get an outmanned buff, we’re automatically the primary target or vice versa…

Blackgate never plays for the win, why would they start doing so now?

I agree Dramen Maidria, JQ need to be knock off the top. SoR has been taking the battle to JQ non-stop. It is the BL I perfer fighting in atm, but there are times when you have to enter any que that accepts. SoR has a outstanding field of good Commanders, and several exceptional Commanders that try to keep the focus on JQ. No matter how hard we are pushing JQ in prime time, here comes Blackgate striking us in the rear. That happen plenty times this past weekend, we have control of Hills and we are defending off BQ and winning in prime time and there’s BG breaking down the other gate to split our forces. I dont mind intense battle, but a lot of question went up in chat questioning BG’s decision to launch their attack when they could have attack else where splitting JQ forces. I dont have any love lost for JQ and BG, but to simply create a path for JQ to cruise to victory should not be allow by commanders on both sides.

Couldn’t agree more. SOR and BG need to work together against JQ until things change. Anything else is simply spiting yourself. I will say that even with the score the way it is, it’s been great running over JQ during NA prime time.

It’s not really even about numbers, each server has roughly the same number of players that take part in WvW. The “issue” for lack of a better work, is exploitation of timezone gaps. SoR and BG both have several hours in which they have a large drop in WvW activity, JQ on the other hand for the most part, run uncontested within those gaps, securing them several hours of large point gains.

It doesn’t make sense for either BG or SoR to try and have people stay up and log on when they normally wouldn’t or couldn’t to try and cover those gaps, for any meaningful time frame anyway without producing large burn out.

So for the foreseeable future we’re going to see JQ at the top with what looks like the least coverage gaps of all servers, and the other 2 servers in T1 either fighting for 2/3 spot, recruiting to counter JQ’s strong area’s or in the distant future JQ possibly losing some coverage somewhere. In the meantime we’ll all be stuck in a stale matchup, and while there is fun to be had. I believe we could all agree a closer match would be far more exciting and fun for all 3 servers involved.

The math is simple, if a server is trying to win. Every single control point that you take from the 1st place server is double points towards that victory. each tier should be a 2v1 with the 2nd and 3rd place servers fighting to wipe the 1st place server off the map.

Finally!
Never understood why BG and SOR simply let JQ take the lead while we kill each other..
Dont get me wrong, probably JQ would still win if we focus them most of the time, but Im sure would not be for this absurd score we’re seeing all this weeks!
Make them really earn 1st place for a change!

declan.3968:

Blackgate never plays for the win, why would they start doing so now?

Blackgate only ever plays for the win.

We all know that SoR and BG have better Oceanic coverage than JQ (just poor oceanic guild)

And…. Look what happen since 1st week between JQ vs BG vs SoR… yeah, just like Vodka said. You’re talking to the wall.

Vodka.3958:

declan.3968:

Blackgate never plays for the win, why would they start doing so now?

Blackgate only ever plays for the win.

But still have to do so…

This thread is a compliment to JQ

Vodka.3958:

You’re talking to a wall. There is no way that SoR or BG will focus one particular server over the other. WvW is full of opportunistic players, we’re all in it to get a higher PPT to stay on top & to not come in third.

I’ve noticed every single day that as soon as we get an outmanned buff, we’re automatically the primary target or vice versa…

Yep that’s exactly it. People are always looking into the short term instead of seeing the long term effects their actions could have. Like the number of times I have seen some guilds on SOR go up against both BG and JQ simply for ppt and then face the full retaliatory might from JQ and BG and get pushed off the map…

I’d happily focus JQ over BG even if its simply to mix things up and make them fight for that 1st place.

I would love to see this, unfortunately our WvW commanders-guilds are more worried on who’s third than first and rightly, but most commanders lean too much on numbers instead of tactics and just go for the closest paper door to add some numbers to their rating.
Hopefully with time they will realize we have to coordinate because JQ rating is getting so high while we kill eachother.
I say fix the pride issues and start hitting the big cow, i think they have the power to overwhelm us.

Dramen Maidriam, which server are you from?

jojojoon.8607:

Dramen Maidriam, which server are you from?

S/he said, read the post again.

SoR and BG together? Yeah, that’ll happen.

SoR has not and will never set up any form of an alliance, even if you don’t want to call it that. Let alone with a server we have so much bad blood with. If that means that JQ takes first every week then so be it. Winning means nothing. We all know that coverage is king. Why should we care then if they win? It just means they have better coverage.

If we were to team up would be any better than them? They win because of coverage but we win because we 2 v 1? LoL no thanks. I would rather kill everything in sight and call it a win.

Yea guys, holding hands in the official matrimony of 2v1 to play for glicko rating is more fun, trust me!

You will always have 2v1:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Prisoner-s-dilemma/first#post989558

History between BG and SoR and Ex-SoS guilds transferring to BG who were strong rivals to JQ is why BG gets focused. BG did it to itself.

And don’t expect anything to change anytime soon. The community has shown that when things get hard, people use Gems to transfer.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Stop-Transferring/first

Hello Dramen,

You’ve written an extremely clear post.

Unfortunately, barring an official 2v1 on JQ, 90% of the commanders in each time zone will always attack the weaker faction, largely due to PPT and score.

WvW’s foundation rests almost purely on economics, ie the easiest target in the shortest amount of time = best value. Some commanders might have grudges against guilds on the opposing server but it’s usually negligible in the in larger scheme of things.

The mechanics and meta implemented by ANet fosters this arrangement and it will be hard to break this mentality, even though it might be good for the long term.

Do note that I am not stating that this is good nor bad. I am saying that this is part of human nature at play.

FW

Dramen Maidria.1034:

Am I saying leave each other alone? Hell no, that would just make the match stale in another way. We absolutely should meet in glorious combat, but right now for the most part we tend to fight each other more often than we fight Jade Quarry, and it should be the exact opposite of that. The times I am in WvW most of the time the fights in the Borderlands end up being against Sanctum of Rall, its just what I have observed. I am sure this is not the case 24/7, but it is often the case.

In all honesty, if I see a large group of BG, I have my fingers crossed my SoR group will pass each other by.

This is because the real target is JQ for the future of the game. There is no benefit BG v SoR. I do hope the majority realises this and we can move away from the 20+ yak escorts JQ puts out whilst camping supply camps with 20+ and siege etc…

Only together do BG and SoR have any hope of toppling the behemoth of JQ.

SoPP.7034:

You will always have 2v1:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Prisoner-s-dilemma/first#post989558

History between BG and SoR and Ex-SoS guilds transferring to BG who were strong rivals to JQ is why BG gets focused. BG did it to itself.

And don’t expect anything to change anytime soon. The community has shown that when things get hard, people use Gems to transfer.

Except it has changed this week.

It’s funny because I still see Jq update their recruiting thread every so often… No shame.

morrolan.9608:

Except it has changed this week.

What has?

SoPP.7034:

morrolan.9608:

Except it has changed this week.

What has?

JQ, or at least FOO, is focussing more on SOR this week.

Look at what the most recent tranfers to both BG (when SoS sank) and SoR (with their new SEA and Oceanic guilds) have done to curb JQs dominance…

Almost nothing.

Neuromancer.2148:

Look at what the most recent tranfers to both BG (when SoS sank) and SoR (with their new SEA and Oceanic guilds) have done to curb JQs dominance…

Almost nothing.

That is because of dropouts… if the trend continues, there will be more outmanned flags all over the place. The coverage holes will grow until JQ are alone = result (I guess).

People lose interest when even the mundane tasks become difficult against 20+ escorts/campers.

At least this gives hope to T2 servers, they can jump into T1.

Nooooo don’t cooperate!!

TC needs to move up to tier 1 for a week to say hi.

Someone please attack and slaughter the weakest server to change the ratings faster

To what end? So you double team JQ, then what? Even if you managed to double team JQ into oblivion (and I’m not saying you could), BG and SoR are still enemies who both want to be first. Now your bestest double-teaming ally is your greatest enemy, since he is competing with you for first. What do you do then? Fight each other? Great, then JQ has the breathing room to make a comeback. Simple fact is that coordinated double teams inevitably break down because everyone wants to win.

Not specifically looking to win. Just want a competitive 3 server scenario.

For one team to completely dominate, it will ruin the game in the long run. I can’t see BG, SoR or anyone else coming close to JQ (note: it’s early Tue and they are 30k+ ahead already, not due to skill, based on coverage).

Wouldn’t want to obliterate JQ either, just create a more balanced conflict.

This is not a gripe at JQ… we all play the game for enjoyment (or at least I hope so).

akanibbles.6237:

Not specifically looking to win. Just want a competitive 3 server scenario.

For one team to completely dominate, it will ruin the game in the long run. I can’t see BG, SoR or anyone else coming close to JQ (note: it’s early Tue and they are 30k+ ahead already, not due to skill, based on coverage).

Wouldn’t want to obliterate JQ either, just create a more balanced conflict.

This is not a gripe at JQ… we all play the game for enjoyment (or at least I hope so).

Indeed. Moreso it is really only certain timezones that really matter here and that is Asian prime and Euro when JQ absolutely dominate due to the gaps in sor and bg coverage. Those are the times when BG and SOR should be focusing on the bigger demon the make the points more even.

There are times when this is not necessary such as NA when the servers are more evenly matched.

morrolan.9608:

JQ, or at least FOO, is focussing more on SOR this week.

The variables are indeed flexible.

Wow, this has gotten better responses than I had hoped, thank you everyone who took the time to read the original posts. It felt good to see that I am not the only one who feels this tier has gotten stale. I can tell from the responses who did and didn’t read. To reiterate, I did not say forge an alliance. I said change our priorities. I also said exactly what difference it would make, by preventing Jade Quarry from taking a huge lead it makes the fight closer, and we all know when the scores are more even people get into it more and it becomes more fun for everyone.

Here we are Tuesday night and its exactly what I was talking about, Jade Quarry has already taken a commanding lead, they have or at least had today WPs at their keeps that were almost fully upgraded and now neither of the other two servers can take those keeps without a huge time investment that likely won’t pay off unless the other server also hits those keeps from another side.

Please keep this discussion alive, maybe we can make a change in tier 1 if enough of us really talk about this. I’d love to even see some Jade Quarry chime in, I’m sure they would like to see some kind of change too.

Anzu.5702:

akanibbles.6237:

Not specifically looking to win. Just want a competitive 3 server scenario.

For one team to completely dominate, it will ruin the game in the long run. I can’t see BG, SoR or anyone else coming close to JQ (note: it’s early Tue and they are 30k+ ahead already, not due to skill, based on coverage).

Wouldn’t want to obliterate JQ either, just create a more balanced conflict.

This is not a gripe at JQ… we all play the game for enjoyment (or at least I hope so).

Indeed. Moreso it is really only certain timezones that really matter here and that is Asian prime and Euro when JQ absolutely dominate due to the gaps in sor and bg coverage. Those are the times when BG and SOR should be focusing on the bigger demon the make the points more even.

There are times when this is not necessary such as NA when the servers are more evenly matched.

I disagree. I run Oceanic coverage, which seems to start about 2 hours before Asian coverage does and overlaps. From what I can see, the only server that would benefit from SOR and BG teaming up right now is BG. But it doesn’t really bother me, I know this won’t happen. It does happen at any given time, but SOR as a whole would not do it, its not good for SOR and yes its not good for JQ, but at the end of the day servers play for whats in their best interest.

well i say since winning is not really the major interest on BG and SOR part (that’s from what i read) , why not just 2v1 JQ for fun, just to annoy them, you know, friendly poke….

azizul.8469:

well i say since winning is not really the major interest on BG and SOR part (that’s from what i read) , why not just 2v1 JQ for fun, just to annoy them, you know, friendly poke….

That would be fun lol

I have the highest hopes for this every week, for BG and SoR to focus JQ down so they do not have a 30k point lead by the end of sunday night, but every week both servers fail. They both preach how they are in it to win it yet all they do is focus each other and let JQ run away with it week after week. BG focus’s on JQ, SoR rushes to take all BG’s stuff, SoR focus’s JQ, BG rushes in taking their stuff, all while JQ’s tower’s and keeps remain untouched and a perfect split down the middle of the map of green and red or green and blue, IT’S ANNOYING!!!!!!!!!! LOL

Wake up peeps!!!!! You cannot win without primarily focusing on JQ, you will forever be 2nd or 3rd, if each week was an actual 3 way battle there would only be a few couple thousand point gap come friday where any server can just take it. But no! Here in T1 its a 2 server battle for 2nd place with JQ able to roam freely with little to no opposition.

If I was concerned about a number, I’d still be on JQ.. Just sayin

Miss out on half the bags for a number? Nevar

What if you are on JQ as a commander and attack both SoR and BG on a nightly basis?

Tonight as a perfect example of those who were on BG BL. For the record, I’m not trolling, more of a match report in short. JQ was on BG’s fully upgraded garrison at inner. SoR comes and hits us with a decent amount of force.

At this point I switch focus to SoR and fully wipe them off of the map, and then log because I have a massive headache. Now, I do this typically almost every night. I have to fight both servers…nightly. This means setting up scouts all over the map and countering anything that comes in at me while launching a proper offensive.

Let’s get some basics down, let’s educate everyone at once. How about deploying proper tactics and making it harder to take your with holdings. Tonight I take a Hills keep and there were literally no scouts at south hills. 2 Alpha golems on a reinforced gate. You guys know how long that takes right? Also, earlier in the night, yeah I had a headache at startup too.., I was at watergate Garrison of BG, again no scout, I was able to build a ballista, take down all visible siege that a ballista can take down and get the gate down to 50 before we had a proper response.

How many times do you think an opposition fighting teams that are having good response times and thwarting any efforts of progression are going to continue? You have to keep in mind there is morale at stake. If your team is getting constantly beat by team A, maybe team B might be an easier time on your guys and build up some morale. I’ll admit it, I’ve had nights to where I have had to do just that. You play the map.

I guess my point and question would be this, is this not already happening? I experience it first hand every day I’m in the game with both servers coming at me. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’ll refrain from trash talking in this thread. I would also like to point out that you are not on my side of the screen and see what’s happening. So, if this is not already happening, especially on every map I’m on every night, then please explain what exactly is happening.

Again, read this with a normal calm tone of voice, because I have a massive headache and not meaning to sound crass. If my wording is off, well…then my wording is off.

Good fights out there tonight as usual.

Jedbacca.6297:

What if you are on JQ as a commander and attack both SoR and BG on a nightly basis?

Tonight as a perfect example of those who were on BG BL. For the record, I’m not trolling, more of a match report in short. JQ was on BG’s fully upgraded garrison at inner. SoR comes and hits us with a decent amount of force.

At this point I switch focus to SoR and fully wipe them off of the map, and then log because I have a massive headache. Now, I do this typically almost every night. I have to fight both servers…nightly. This means setting up scouts all over the map and countering anything that comes in at me while launching a proper offensive.

Let’s get some basics down, let’s educate everyone at once. How about deploying proper tactics and making it harder to take your with holdings. Tonight I take a Hills keep and there were literally no scouts at south hills. 2 Alpha golems on a reinforced gate. You guys know how long that takes right? Also, earlier in the night, yeah I had a headache at startup too.., I was at watergate Garrison of BG, again no scout, I was able to build a ballista, take down all visible siege that a ballista can take down and get the gate down to 50 before we had a proper response.

How many times do you think an opposition fighting teams that are having good response times and thwarting any efforts of progression are going to continue? You have to keep in mind there is morale at stake. If your team is getting constantly beat by team A, maybe team B might be an easier time on your guys and build up some morale. I’ll admit it, I’ve had nights to where I have had to do just that. You play the map.

I guess my point and question would be this, is this not already happening? I experience it first hand every day I’m in the game with both servers coming at me. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’ll refrain from trash talking in this thread. I would also like to point out that you are not on my side of the screen and see what’s happening. So, if this is not already happening, especially on every map I’m on every night, then please explain what exactly is happening.

Again, read this with a normal calm tone of voice, because I have a massive headache and not meaning to sound crass. If my wording is off, well…then my wording is off.

Good fights out there tonight as usual.

Maybe you wouldn’t get headaches if you didn’t drink everytime o_o

Just sayin >_>

Jed
First, thank you for speaking up from the JQ side, especially from a commander’s view. It may well be happening at certain times, just almost never at the time or map I happen to be on. All I can really speak to, same as you, is what I see from my server’s end, and sadly we often seem to be fighting SoR more than JQ. Not to say I never butt heads against JQ, but JQ after the opening weekend is often in a position where aside from supply camps we’re just not in a position manpower wise to assault almost fully upgraded keeps. It all depends on the commanders in the field, I know when I am running with my guild our commanders have scouts everywhere. I can’t speak for every BG commander, although I do often hear them call for scouts.

I totally get switching over to an easier target so the pugs don’t get discouraged, its simply part of the game. Pugs need a constant stream of some kind of reward or they leave, and then you’re in even worse shape than you were to begin with.

If you find you’re often getting hit by both side now, that’s great. JQ often has the numbers where even if that happens you guys can still hold your own. What I would like to see more of specifically is one or the other server taking advantage of keeps being assaulted. There’s been plenty of time where either JQ or SoR has been assaulting our keep and the other server hits the opposite side, resulting in both servers being at inner. Sometimes they then fight over it, sometimes one of them leaves as it is being capped. Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not complaining about getting hit by both other servers, its part of the three sided dynamic and its supposed to happen. Yeah it stings a bit when you realize one side only joined in to make sure you lost the keep and has no intent on taking it themselves. What I almost never see is SoR hitting a JQ keep and BG attacking the same keep from another side. I am not saying it never happens, only that it happens much less frequently than it should. It is in the best interest of both BG and SoR for JQ keeps to turn over. Yeah, we want to get our own potential points as high as possible, but that’s only part of it, you also want to deprive the leader of as many potential points as possible too, THAT is how gaps are overcome. For some reason SoR and BG as a whole (not speaking about individual commanders) have yet to grasp this tactic which would make the tier a much closer battle.

There’s a certain amount of excitement when you log on on a Wednesday night and the scores are only 10k apart. This is SoR and BGs problem to fix, and unless both our servers start to utilize the rest of the dynamics of a three sided match that feeling isn’t going to come back for any of us.

Jedbacca.6297:

What if you are on JQ as a commander and attack both SoR and BG on a nightly basis?

Tonight as a perfect example of those who were on BG BL. For the record, I’m not trolling, more of a match report in short. JQ was on BG’s fully upgraded garrison at inner. SoR comes and hits us with a decent amount of force.

At this point I switch focus to SoR and fully wipe them off of the map, and then log because I have a massive headache. Now, I do this typically almost every night. I have to fight both servers…nightly. This means setting up scouts all over the map and countering anything that comes in at me while launching a proper offensive.

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What you say makes sense, You can leave a scout, and then the enemy comes with 5 alpha golems, even a reinforced gate won’t last long. The problem is, If you are talking about oceanic time atleast – You may be thinking “oh we are being hit by both teams” but if you look at the other maps, you are beating BOTH SoR and BG down with your other big groups. THIS also effects morale of both servers, we get the feeling we have to hop maps really fast, I know for a fact that we in HIRE sometimes get sick of having to hop literally, 3x in 10-20 minutes, its like, okay wiped, can you repair the gate? we gtg. Eventually you lose stuff, and it really hits you hard.

This is the timezone where, atleast when I lead – I leave BG alone unless they hit us, I’ve noticed some nights BG takes the initiative to hit JQ if they see that we are hitting them too, especially in EB. ofc some nights, BG will hit us because we are being hit by JQ and its easy points. But its not the same every night.

JQ didnt just happen. It was hard work by the entire server as a whole.

Fuzzion.2504:

JQ didnt just happen. It was hard work by the entire server as a whole.

And an annoucement of closing free transfers…

Would it help if they split the tiers into groups of guilds, based on server and guild wvw scores? So lets say JQ would have 3 different WvW fronts where its guilds fight (depending on their personal score) against even number of guild members of other servers… (Not sure if I’m explaining the idea right…)

If TC had t1 coverage, I bet TC and BG would work together against JQ because we are pretty much infatuated with each other. I can tell you if BG were to move down and TC move up, your problem is only going to get worse because most of TC still hates SoR and I include myself in that group. I know I would take a third place week after week just to see how low I could keep SoR’s score.

OutspokenAardvark.9781:

If TC had t1 coverage, I bet TC and BG would work together against JQ because we are pretty much infatuated with each other. I can tell you if BG were to move down and TC move up, your problem is only going to get worse because most of TC still hates SoR and I include myself in that group. I know I would take a third place week after week just to see how low I could keep SoR’s score.

This kind of thinking I do not understand.

“An eye for an eye makes the world go blind” Gandhi