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Posted by: DarkSyze.8627

DarkSyze.8627

I think it was absolutely the right way, because Anet has not been entirely transparent about the bans they’ve handed out in the past. Sometimes an example has to be made. Oh, and if you think this is wrong, did you not play GW1? In that game, GMs and security staff were able to execute a ban using a unique reaper-like avatar called Dhuum, which publicly shamed anyone who violated the rules — inside the actual confines of the game itself.

Your “cheating is not okay but this is going too far” defense falls flat when these individuals have spent all of their time ruining the game for hundreds of other people, for weeks and sometimes months on end. That’s going too far. What Chris did was an appropriate and tactical response to that behavior — if you cheat, prepare to have this happen to you. A good lesson.

I don’t have a problem with the Dhuum style ban animation. Its just adding an animation on to what the client itself was already doing. That is massively different to a developer posting a video in which they log into the account, strip the character down, jump them off a ledge, and then delete the characters. Why not just ban the account like normal and tell users that it had been done. It seem unnecessary and unprofessional to me. There’s a big difference between thinking ‘if I get banned there’s be a Dhumm animation killing me’ and ‘if I get banned a staff member might log into my account and do things to my character and then delete and ban me’. Big difference. Obviously the person deserved to have their account banned and deleted, but was the other stuff necessary? No.

Clearly our ideas of appropriate differ so any further discussion isn’t really going to be fruitful. I’ve stated my opinion on it and if people disagree with me then that is fine.

I understand your opinion: you are correct! everyone have their own opinion.

Here is my opinion: this person hacker did not only effect a small percentage but effect a large percentage : like a player already said, large percent of players were transfering to other servers, playing other game modes and even quitting wvw and the game.

What i mean is: this player hacker was hurting a whole server: and that should not be resolve in secret. Yes! i know this is not the only player hacker in all servers but this player hacker was not ashamed for making alot of damage.

So if the player hacker was not ashamed: why should Arena net resolve this player hacker action in secret?

Example: If there was a big bear causing damage: hurting people in a big neighborhood- you are a police officer: would you tell the people in the neighborhood that you resolve their big bear problem in secret?

The player hacker and the big bear example cause a crisis situation: It effect a lot of players and people- it should not be resolve in secret! It is not about “public shaming”, it is about accountability and responsibility for actions.

" One person’s embarrassment is another person’s accountability "

That is all

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Posted by: FlamingFoxx.1305

FlamingFoxx.1305

What i mean is: this player hacker was hurting a whole server: and that should not be resolve in secret. Yes! i know this is not the only player hacker in all servers but this player hacker was not ashamed for making alot of damage.

So if the player hacker was not ashamed: why should Arena net resolve this player hacker action in secret?

I’m not saying there’s a problem with publicly stating that the hacker had been dealt with and banned. But the video was not appropriate. They absolutely should say that they’ve banned serious offenders like that, people should know. However, they shouldn’t post immature and unprofessional videos showing them needlessly toying with an account when they should have just banned it.

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Posted by: DarkSyze.8627

DarkSyze.8627

What i mean is: this player hacker was hurting a whole server: and that should not be resolve in secret. Yes! i know this is not the only player hacker in all servers but this player hacker was not ashamed for making alot of damage.

So if the player hacker was not ashamed: why should Arena net resolve this player hacker action in secret?

I’m not saying there’s a problem with publicly stating that the hacker had been dealt with and banned. But the video was not appropriate. They absolutely should say that they’ve banned serious offenders like that, people should know. However, they shouldn’t post immature and unprofessional videos showing them needlessly toying with an account when they should have just banned it.

I understand what you are saying. I want you to understand me too

What difference if Arena net publicly stated that the hacker had been dealt with and banned and posting a video of that? You say the video was not appropriate: was the player hacker actions was appropriate? You say they should not post immature and unprofessional videos: was the player hacker actions was not immature and unprofessional?
You say they shouldn’t needlessly toying with an account? how many players did the player hacker needlessly toying with?

You need to understand that: hackers should not be Sympathize include this player hackers.

Arena net do not Sympathize hackers, so you should not too

(You know that hacking is a crime: so that mean if Arena net want to…. )

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Posted by: apharma.3741

apharma.3741

Again, this company is in the business of entertainment, does April fools jokes on people, has a bit of banter with the community on its livestreams (see the trait changes and the “helseths demise” joke) and generally has fun with the community and has a history of not taking it easy and making an example out of hackers.

Seems this video is more than appropriate, fits the history and is a big hit with the player (customer) base. Quite frankly the guy should be lucky he didn’t have bear how maths placed upon him.

Your of the opinion it is unprofessional but to me it’s like your complaining at clowns not turning up in suits and ties for work.

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Posted by: Jayden Ennok.3687

Jayden Ennok.3687

lol, the guy is so original, really after all those complaints he still picked character name almost same as his previous account name banned weeks ago

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Posted by: Ark Bladesteele.2943

Ark Bladesteele.2943

Again, this company is in the business of entertainment, does April fools jokes on people, has a bit of banter with the community on its livestreams (see the trait changes and the “helseths demise” joke) and generally has fun with the community and has a history of not taking it easy and making an example out of hackers.

Seems this video is more than appropriate, fits the history and is a big hit with the player (customer) base. Quite frankly the guy should be lucky he didn’t have bear how maths placed upon him.

Your of the opinion it is unprofessional but to me it’s like your complaining at clowns not turning up in suits and ties for work.

This is a good point, I think. It’s not necessarily about whether or not someone was banned, it was an entertaining example of what might happen if someone else tries to do the same. It should stay on youtube as long as possible, so the next time anyone thinks of doing this on their account, including buying gems and spending whatever other amount of money to ruin the experiences of others, knows what’s in store.

The player’s name and other details were never released. That would be highly unethical, but that line is never crossed here. It’s just a digital account with a digital nickname with digital goods that was performing illegitimate activities for a very long time. The moment he broke the TOS, that account was no longer his — and as such, Chris taking it over and doing what he wants with it, while giving us the satisfaction of watching, has made my and many others’ Guild Wars 2 week.

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Posted by: Offair.2563

Offair.2563

What i mean is: this player hacker was hurting a whole server: and that should not be resolve in secret. Yes! i know this is not the only player hacker in all servers but this player hacker was not ashamed for making alot of damage.

So if the player hacker was not ashamed: why should Arena net resolve this player hacker action in secret?

I’m not saying there’s a problem with publicly stating that the hacker had been dealt with and banned. But the video was not appropriate. They absolutely should say that they’ve banned serious offenders like that, people should know. However, they shouldn’t post immature and unprofessional videos showing them needlessly toying with an account when they should have just banned it.

Me and many friends had a good laugh with that video. Probably the same fun as this lowlife hacker had with annoying hundreds of people day in and day out. This is a right movement, publicy name and shame them who are doing this.

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Posted by: Provost.6210

Provost.6210

A lot of hackers roll Mesmer or thief to make it hard to tell if they just stealthed or portalled etc.

However this is not the case here. These two flip an entire border in 15 mins. They reappear seconds after you kill them. Yesterday they were even flying golems into a fully upgraded and defending SM. Yes, flying, not even hiding it.

Moraxxo, I believe there’s a person to contact in game called proheals, there may be a few more devs that are on and can help too. He can swap to that server and check or ours when it’s happening.

For these hackers..

This remind me of mesmers and thieves hiding in keeps after the keep is captured by opposite server. I suspect they abusing that same code. That is why alot of player suggested before; once a keep is captured, all the enemy server players who are hiding will be kick out- like thief and mesmer.

And the only way a keep can be captured is to break gates and wall. So why Arena net refuse these suggestions?

If Arena net write codes to enforce that, none of this would ever happen or would be very hard for hackers to do.

Suggestion:

Example: not a coder or programmer

code 1- Entrance to keep is restricted only by destruction of gate and walls.
code 2- All entrance to keep will automatically be ground targeted “weigh down” -no jumping.
code 3- all entrance to keeps will be ground level.
code 4- limit portal and stealth access inside all keeps
code 5- restrict all stealths and portals once inside lords keep
code 6- Enforce a strong security system in all keeps: example; like a security system in a car- any disturbance or force entrance will call immediate attention.
code 7-Alll keep lords and guards will have full permission to instant kill any threats and disturbance and ban them automatically temp. until Arena net investigate.
code 8- give all lords and guards “true sight” abilities and “true sound” abilities to spot hackers and any threats.

True sight- Ability to see invisible like stealth
True sound-Ability to hear the smallest noise

Example: if no wall or gate is down and there is noise inside keep, security alarm will activate. If no wall or gate is down and there is invisibility inside keep, security alarm will activate.

code 9- once keep is captured, restrict all port and invisibility access include lords and inside keep.

So your solution to the problem of people circumventing game restrictions is to put up game restrictions?
All this will do is kitten over mesmers who hide in the keep legitimately. The hackers who fly golems around are not going to give an almighty kitten.

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Posted by: Sirendor.1394

Sirendor.1394

We don’t need to see it in-game, sometimes good video evidence is enough for me to track down who it was. In this case, the video was enough for me to find out who it was and take action. Thanks for the video, and to accompany your video, I give you this video of his account’s last moments:

https://youtu.be/bqfUi9DzBuo

Oh yah, he’s also banned

Finally a dev who gets what needs to be done about hackers! <3

Also, I have a suggestion… make this weekly, I will anticipate your videos with a lot of joy.

OW YES! Ban of the week…in which the most original ways to kill and ban a player are reviewed and provided with a score…with the result of having a ban of the year award at the end of the season..XD

(Seriously..of course this cannot be done..serious matters need to be taken care of in a professional way, not made fun of. But still it gives insight in A-nets actions towards speedhacking players)

Hahaha. I was half joking for your information. I don’t think they need to do this with like every hacker, but it’s a great way to show to us that something is being done and that alone is worth something. It also discourages future hackers I imagine.

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Posted by: gennyt.3428

gennyt.3428

I don’t see why unapologetic cheaters should be protected from public humiliation. This didn’t happen to the player because they were accused, it happened because someone with access to relevant information decided a ban was in order. None of the person’s information was revealed so I don’t think it’s any more invasive than getting Dhummed.

+1 on the ban vid, would recommend

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Posted by: TheHeretic.3529

TheHeretic.3529

We don’t need to see it in-game, sometimes good video evidence is enough for me to track down who it was. In this case, the video was enough for me to find out who it was and take action. Thanks for the video, and to accompany your video, I give you this video of his account’s last moments:

https://youtu.be/bqfUi9DzBuo

Oh yah, he’s also banned

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Posted by: Lord Kuru.3685

Lord Kuru.3685

And how is that acceptable professional behaviour? Making a public spectacle of this isn’t doing anything conductive towards an image of being able to professionally and rationally deal with people who have broken the rules, nor does it inspire confidence for a game that is known to produce false positives in regards to things like botting.

Spectacles are necessary when you need to give the appearance that something is being done. If the killing off of hackers/trolls/griefers was routine, there wouldn’t be the need for such a dramatic video.

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Posted by: DarkSyze.8627

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A lot of hackers roll Mesmer or thief to make it hard to tell if they just stealthed or portalled etc.

However this is not the case here. These two flip an entire border in 15 mins. They reappear seconds after you kill them. Yesterday they were even flying golems into a fully upgraded and defending SM. Yes, flying, not even hiding it.

Moraxxo, I believe there’s a person to contact in game called proheals, there may be a few more devs that are on and can help too. He can swap to that server and check or ours when it’s happening.

For these hackers..

This remind me of mesmers and thieves hiding in keeps after the keep is captured by opposite server. I suspect they abusing that same code. That is why alot of player suggested before; once a keep is captured, all the enemy server players who are hiding will be kick out- like thief and mesmer.

And the only way a keep can be captured is to break gates and wall. So why Arena net refuse these suggestions?

If Arena net write codes to enforce that, none of this would ever happen or would be very hard for hackers to do.

Suggestion:

Example: not a coder or programmer

code 1- Entrance to keep is restricted only by destruction of gate and walls.
code 2- All entrance to keep will automatically be ground targeted “weigh down” -no jumping.
code 3- all entrance to keeps will be ground level.
code 4- limit portal and stealth access inside all keeps
code 5- restrict all stealths and portals once inside lords keep
code 6- Enforce a strong security system in all keeps: example; like a security system in a car- any disturbance or force entrance will call immediate attention.
code 7-Alll keep lords and guards will have full permission to instant kill any threats and disturbance and ban them automatically temp. until Arena net investigate.
code 8- give all lords and guards “true sight” abilities and “true sound” abilities to spot hackers and any threats.

True sight- Ability to see invisible like stealth
True sound-Ability to hear the smallest noise

Example: if no wall or gate is down and there is noise inside keep, security alarm will activate. If no wall or gate is down and there is invisibility inside keep, security alarm will activate.

code 9- once keep is captured, restrict all port and invisibility access include lords and inside keep.

So your solution to the problem of people circumventing game restrictions is to put up game restrictions?
All this will do is kitten over mesmers who hide in the keep legitimately. The hackers who fly golems around are not going to give an almighty kitten.

“So your solution to the problem of people circumventing game restrictions is to put up game restrictions?”

Yes.

“All this will do is kitten over mesmers who hide in the keep legitimately” If keep is taken by a server: it is theirs. There should not be Exception legitimately or Excuse legitimately for the other server who lost to be inside keep.

“We stick together, We win together, We lose together "

“The hackers who fly golems around are not going to give an almighty kitten”. With Anti-Gravitiy: Weigh Down- there will no longer be flying golems.

Second: Code 7: adjustment- any threat that break security keep wall will be instant killed and be report to Arena net for investigation to decide if ban or not ban.

In the end: the hackers who fly golems will give an almighty kitten when their account will be not accessible until after Arena net investigation.

What is important is to show the hackers that Arena net is serious! and they will face serious consequence for their actions.

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