Guild Wars 2

Hello, I’m guesting on Maguuma this week, so there are many things I don’t understand.

First of all, how exactly Darkhaven managed bypass outer gates at all three keeps in Maguuma borderlands? During the day it was small groups of 10 or so (those who attacked souther inner Garrison gates), after a big zerg took Hills like in two minutes and then I logged out.

At one point I spent a hour just looking for mesmer in Garrison, but – nope, nothing. Then someone said you can bypass outer gates using some glitch… If it’s so, then some serious BS is going on. Basically today I spent some gold and time upgrading/building/escorting donkeys just to see how a keep was taken in 5 minutes. Not a QQ post, just trying to understand how exactly Darkhaven did that.

On a more positive note, shoutout to [RE] from Darkhaven and [Os] from NSP. I’m guild leader of [PYRO] from Maguuma, and we had to hold Wildcreek from you guys about 12 times on Friday night. Very organized guilds, and I hope you guys the best of luck.

That being said, I wish Maguuma had more of a night crew. But hey, it happens.

Halo.8976:

Hello, I’m guesting on Maguuma this week, so there are many things I don’t understand.

First of all, how exactly Darkhaven managed bypass outer gates at all three keeps in Maguuma borderlands? During the day it was small groups of 10 or so (those who attacked souther inner Garrison gates), after a big zerg took Hills like in two minutes and then I logged out.

At one point I spent a hour just looking for mesmer in Garrison, but – nope, nothing. Then someone said you can bypass outer gates using some glitch… If it’s so, then some serious BS is going on. Basically today I spent some gold and time upgrading/building/escorting donkeys just to see how a keep was taken in 5 minutes. Not a QQ post, just trying to understand how exactly Darkhaven did that.

Very easily.

ParaldaWind.4523:

On a more positive note, shoutout to [RE] from Darkhaven and [Os] from NSP. I’m guild leader of [PYRO] from Maguuma, and we had to hold Wildcreek from you guys about 12 times on Friday night. Very organized guilds, and I hope you guys the best of luck.

That being said, I wish Maguuma had more of a night crew. But hey, it happens.

Yea for not having much of a night crew we do pretty darn well. We would be doing better over all if we did but oh well. It’s a good match up so far this week.

What is the score? :P

96/57/40 Darkhaven/Maguuma/NSP. Nice to see SoS is still interested in us~

I logged on at 3:00 pm PST time and Darkhaven controlled half of the territory points. I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

When Darkhaven complains about Maguuma, its stuff like culling, rendering issues and guardian bubbles. When everyone complains about Darkhaven its “oh we have a better night crew. You guys are so lucky that there’s no capping.” Its almost as though everyone is treating it like a handicap. “Oh, they’re not really that good since they’re only good at night.”

If we were only good at night, then the score would reflect that. It doesn’t. I keep seeing NSP people running to their deaths at bluebriar. Are we winning these “fights” because of our “night crew”? No, its because you keep running towards arrow carts!

hobbes.6178:

Very easily.

The only ease I can find in your answer is the right to assume that some glitches were used.

I don’t mind mesmers and night capping, but I’d like to know how did you managed bypass outer gates all the day.

PS
To Northern Shiverpeaks.
There is no logic taking camps in our borderlands when your own is under Darkhaven control, y’know.

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Aurainsoph.5426:

Wads its that it chooses 5 random players, think of it as your aoe hits players 1-5 the first hit and players 6-10 on the second hit and players 11-15 on hit 3 before returning to players 1-5 for hit four.

Fellyn you still didn’t answer what is the more fair way to win WvW.

I didn’t because there is no fair way to win WvW. No matter how you win someone is always going to complain. Fact.

Rhyis.7058:

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Is that why we’ve been getting 350~ points a tick for the last 3 hours during prime time to your 150~? (confused)

Aurainsoph.5426:

You still didn’t answer the question about what is the more fair way to win, numbers or skill and coordination.

It is all three, with none being any more important than the other, especially when fighting against another server that has (or is close to having) all three as well.

When a RL country goes to war against another country, which Army wins the day? The one that has the numbers, the training, the coordination and I will add one more, equally important one: the equipment. Logistics and gear are vital to achieve victory.

So it’s all four, and every server playing this game should be striving to achieve superiority in all four. Instead of asking game developers to change the game to adapt to your weaknesses, you should be working at filling your weaknesses.

People who complain about their shortcomings will never fix their shortcomings. But motivated people who recognize their shortcomings (without blaming everyone but themselves) will fix them so they are prepared for the enemy.

How would real war work if the Army of one country tells their leader or their people, “We just don’t have the numbers to win this fight.” So is that country suppose to call their enemy up and say, “you need to downsize your army so you don’t slaughter us so badly”.

If one server in GW2 has 4 out of 4 essential prerequisites to winning the match-up, the only server that even stands a chance of beating them is another server with 4 out of 4. A server with 3 out of 4 will beat a server that only has 2 out of 4 and so on.

Currently, DH has close to 3 out of 4, probably about 2.7, objectively speaking. But we are very actively working on the remaining shortcomings so we will be able to compete in the highest brackets.

So instead of complaining to us and waiting for Anet to change something they’re probably never going to change (regarding WvW pop/time scaling), why not do some recruiting for your server?

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Is that why we’ve been getting 350~ points a tick for the last 3 hours during prime time to your 150~? (confused)

Your evening population numbers are much better than ours, but not so much mid day.

Halo.8976:

hobbes.6178:

Very easily.

The only ease I can find in your answer is the right to assume that some glitches were used.

I don’t mind mesmers and night capping, but I’d like to know how did you managed bypass outer gates all the day.

PS
To Northern Shiverpeaks.
There is no logic taking camps in our borderlands when your own is under Darkhaven control, y’know.

Relax, I play on Maguuma. Certain classes can glitch their way through gates. Hell any class in the game can get past garrison water gate by simply running through it…if they know the right way.

I thought they fixed walk through garrison glitches?

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Is that why we’ve been getting 350~ points a tick for the last 3 hours during prime time to your 150~? (confused)

The last 3 hours is 11pm-2 am Sunday night. Mag prime time revolves around EST.

Second favorite Darkhaven tactic!

saiyr.3071:

Second favorite Darkhaven tactic!

That’s a yellow arrow… That’s YOUR SERVER’S Siege Golem.

Rhyis.7058:

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Is that why we’ve been getting 350~ points a tick for the last 3 hours during prime time to your 150~? (confused)

The last 3 hours is 11pm-2 am Sunday night. Mag prime time revolves around EST.

So what you’re saying is that you can beat us while most of our wv3 people are at work or otherwise occupied. That’s essentially what you’re post comes down to.

This sounds awfully familiar.

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Is that why we’ve been getting 350~ points a tick for the last 3 hours during prime time to your 150~? (confused)

The last 3 hours is 11pm-2 am Sunday night. Mag prime time revolves around EST.

So what you’re saying is that you can beat us while most of our wv3 people are at work. That’s essentially what you’re post comes down to.

This sounds awfully familiar.

You’re aware Darkhaven is a North American server, correct? PST/CST/EST are the 3 time zones your general player should be playing during. All of which are 1 to 3 hours between each other.

Kita.7819:

saiyr.3071:

Second favorite Darkhaven tactic!

That’s a yellow arrow… That’s YOUR SERVER’S Siege Golem.

Considering we wrecked it, I don’t think so.

Edit: In case you aren’t convinced that a yellow arrow means anything, here is your gate. Surely it isn’t a spy gate.

so very bored of these nightcapping/prime time arguments.

saiyr.3071:

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Is that why we’ve been getting 350~ points a tick for the last 3 hours during prime time to your 150~? (confused)

Your evening population numbers are much better than ours, but not so much mid day.

Yeah, noon and around that time we’re outnumbered pretty heavily. It’s a big weakness in our server. Exploit it please. People on Darkhaven need to be aware that we’re not invincible and that if we get complacent we’ll get smacked down a few tiers.

Though, the original point of that poster is correct, we’re capable during the day time, we make mistakes and we’re certainly not on Maguuma’s level, but we held our own against NSP with completely equal numbers during prime time for 3 weeks (we usually won in fact).

Kita.7819:

I logged on at 3:00 pm PST time and Darkhaven controlled half of the territory points. I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

If we were only good at night, then the score would reflect that. It doesn’t. I keep seeing NSP people running to their deaths at bluebriar. Are we winning these “fights” because of our “night crew”? No, its because you keep running towards arrow carts!

The score last week did reflect it. Darkhaven was absolutely rolled in the daytime, while you dominated everything at night time. NSP would hold nearly everything in the day (with some points being capped by Ehmry and DH day crews), while at night time, DH would control every single thing.

Since you won our last war, the people who flocked to us because we were winning have all left to your server. This includes an infamous, but large, guild named VIP. Although they weren’t good in organized WvW, they did however hold a large presence in WvW throughout the week simply for having such a large amount of players. This has hurt our day crew in that we lost a large amount of our player base to the server that had already beaten us last week. Everyone else has given up. Yesterday, at roughly 8 PM eastern (basically prime time), we had the undermanned buff.

I’m not saying we miss VIP. We’re glad they’re gone. Good luck with them.

tl;dr: your day crew was crap last week. Your night crew carried you to victory. Your server is now full after last week, which is the enormous problem that free server transfers cause.

Krathalos, you need to define day time. Yes, I’ll agree, morning/afternoon we sucked because we simply couldn’t field anybody. But, at around 3pm PST we would start taking the entire map from NSP and by 8pm often times we’d have virtually everything. These are not just claims, I can provide you 4 screen shots of Dh dominating during the day on different days. We need to get away from this, because Dh doesn’t only dominate while people are sleeping—we also dominate prime time (usually).

No, you wouldn’t start capturing things until 12 AM eastern. On the weekends, yes, you held for most of the day. However, once weekdays started, and especially in the last 3 days, NSP held everything in the day and lost it all at night.

Screen shots of a single moment mean absolutely nothing. It could be taken right as our server started to wake up or get home and capture your bases.

If you aren’t willing to see the truth, then there’s no sense arguing. What I said is true, whether you like it or not.

Now our server has no chance because we simply don’t have the WvW presence we had two weeks ago. Two losses in a row means all the server jumpers have already left to the ones that won (Sanctum of Rall and Darkhaven in this case).

The score reflected this. NSP and DH were relatively close, and this couldn’t have happened with DH holding everything the entire night and day.

Rhyis.7058:

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

fellyn.5083:

Rhyis.7058:

Kita.7819:

I still don’t get where all this criticism comes from. Yes we have a decent night time. We also have a superb daytime.

No you don’t. With the exception of Friday, Mag always has had control of the day time score pretty handily. The issue is, even your most hardcore of players are never on more then 8 hours a day. When you’re asleep or working, that’s 16 hours you’re not online defending anything. And Mag really doesn’t have any night time crew at all to speak of.

This isn’t a complaint, as we have lost every single match up to date due to Mag not being online. We’re quite used to it. But when Mag is online in force, we are almost always gaining points at a furious pace. Our day time crew is beyond reproach… So much so that you DH players are calling them cheaters for using standard tactics.

Is that why we’ve been getting 350~ points a tick for the last 3 hours during prime time to your 150~? (confused)

The last 3 hours is 11pm-2 am Sunday night. Mag prime time revolves around EST.

So what you’re saying is that you can beat us while most of our wv3 people are at work. That’s essentially what you’re post comes down to.

This sounds awfully familiar.

You’re aware Darkhaven is a North American server, correct? PST/CST/EST are the 3 time zones your general player should be playing during. All of which are 1 to 3 hours between each other.

Yeah, and? You said Mag prime time revovles around EST. Darkhaven prime time revolves around PST.

Krathalos, I’m sorry but it’s time we start dealing with what the facts are. You’ll find them in the screenshots below. Arg, it’s not letting me post multiple screen again.

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp317/bbryant0620/gw020.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp317/bbryant0620/gw026.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp317/bbryant0620/gw027.jpg
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp317/bbryant0620/gw030.jpg

Those are all my screenshots, notice the time in the bottom right (it is PST).

Those are screenshots of 4 separate days from myself that show we led during the noon-prime time areas. We would quite often steal and hold the lead from you. NSP would have the lead from morning until noon, from that point on NSP would start losing ground at any time from 12-4pm, and we always (I think) held a huge lead by 8pm.

hobbes.6178:

Relax, I play on Maguuma. Certain classes can glitch their way through gates. Hell any class in the game can get past garrison water gate by simply running through it…if they know the right way.

Whaa, that’s just disgusting!

Krathalos.3461:

No, you wouldn’t start capturing things until 12 AM eastern. On the weekends, yes, you held for most of the day. However, once weekdays started, and especially in the last 3 days, NSP held everything in the day and lost it all at night.

Screen shots of a single moment mean absolutely nothing. It could be taken right as our server started to wake up or get home and capture your bases.

If you aren’t willing to see the truth, then there’s no sense arguing. What I said is true, whether you like it or not.

Now our server has no chance because we simply don’t have the WvW presence we had two weeks ago. Two losses in a row means all the server jumpers have already left to the ones that won (Sanctum of Rall and Darkhaven in this case).

The score reflected this. NSP and DH were relatively close, and this couldn’t have happened with DH holding everything the entire night and day.

So what do you want us to do then? For starters we can’t control the band-wagoners so you can’t blame us for that.

And second, are we to just not play? What do you expect us to do? Let you have your way with the map and then give up when you guys call it a night?

Anet has said WvWvW is a 24 hour a day fight. Not an 8 hour a day fight. So I ask again, what do you expect us to do?

I also understand the time zone disparities, but it seems others do not. They are a two way street.

fellyn.5083:

Yeah, and? You said Mag prime time revovles around EST. Darkhaven prime time revolves around PST.

My point is this statement, made by you, is completely off base if PST is your servers prime time. EST and PST prime time are basically the same thing.

fellyn.5083:

So what you’re saying is that you can beat us while most of our wv3 people are at work or otherwise occupied. That’s essentially what you’re post comes down to.

If you’re going to attempt propaganda, at least make your argument a fluid one.

Arius,

Your screens show what the final score was as well, day time we owned it when we wanted to own it, but near the end most of us (I know my guild personally) just gave it up. Why? because there was no fights to be had , there we some no doubt, but nothing that would be considered a constant presence on both sides or balance at those times. Even thou there wasn’t we stook it out for awhile till we just gave up on the whole thing.

It’s not that we don’t want to fight, it’s we want other matchups that are on when we are. Yeah, we are asking for too much as most other people constantly post. I for one will be very happy at a lower teir , why? because it is easier? No, actually because there will be battles to be fought on what I consider our prime time to be. I had more fun and less kittening from all sides at the lower teirs to be honest and the stress was a ton less. I don’t mind being compedative at all, I actually enjoy it. Just the map flips got old mid week threw to a point we said f it all.

Now we dungeon run and once and awhile maybe for 30min hit WvWvW for some points, but other then that, no real presences till the next match up. I have no doubt some on our server will continue the battle, but for us atm, we are just pulling back and letting others have the fun. Between the constant server jumping of guilds, name calling and the list goes on about many things like this, it’s time to take a break from the politics. I am just chimming in here because today I am sick and can’t sleep so here i am reading the news of WvWvW.

Don’t take me wrong we had good fights last match, but in the end the time differances where seen by all. You might be convincing yourself differently, but I can look threw the WvWvW threads now and find tons trying to “Pull” other national guilds from EU and EU from US to populate their night players. Great for them, personally it’s just a game and in the end if that’s your way of having fun so be it.

For me and others, the issue isn’t the times as much as the server jumping, exploits and OMG THE FREAKING BOTS! I have now seen the same group of 9 rangers from level 10 to 80 now in WvWvW for 2 weeks and Anet doesn’t do anything, sorry but EVERYONE on our server knows this group it’s become the laugh of Anet policies and how they don’t follow threw with what they say they are doing. Living proof is on our server in Northern Shiver Peaks Jump Rat Puzzle area for all to see. Been like that for awhile now. First in PVE now in WvWvW and tons of reports, anything in two weeks? Nope. but they are working on it!

Bah, there goes the economy, there goes population and more. These issue are killing this game faster then anything you and I are discussing.

Tracker

Rhyis.7058:

fellyn.5083:

Yeah, and? You said Mag prime time revovles around EST. Darkhaven prime time revolves around PST.

My point is this statement, made by you, is completely off base if PST is your servers prime time. EST and PST prime time are basically the same thing.

fellyn.5083:

So what you’re saying is that you can beat us while most of our wv3 people are at work or otherwise occupied. That’s essentially what you’re post comes down to.

How is it off base? Most people get off work in the hour from 4pm to 5pm. That gives your EST prime time about 3 hours over us, while our people are still at work or otherwise occupied with school or whatever else.

Which is the entire point. You’re saying you dominate us during the day, but during the day is when we’ve always admitted we’re at our lowest wv3 showing. But come prime time PST that all changes. You see what I’m getting at here?

When you guys say we are “night capping” it’s barely 9-10pm for most of us on darkhaven.

fellyn.5083:

So what do you want us to do then? For starters we can’t control the band-wagoners so you can’t blame us for that.

And second, are we to just not play? What do you expect us to do? Let you have your way with the map and then give up when you guys call it a night?

Anet has said WvWvW is a 24 hour a day fight. Not an 8 hour a day fight. So I ask again, what do you expect us to do?

I also understand the time zone disparities, but it seems others do not. They are a two way street.

I’m not blaming you for anything. You’re winning through legitimate tactics – you deserve it. You will rise through the ranks, and with a full server population, I’d expect you to rise to where the rest of the full servers are – at the top.

I wasn’t complaining or whining. I was simply stating a misconception.

To the poster who replied with a bunch of screenshots, I already told you they were meaningless. The score difference would have been far, far larger if you guys dominated in both the day and the night. You also can’t compare servers after one starts winning. People just give up.

To reiterate: I’m not whining, and I’m not complaining. I was replying to a post acting like DH completely dominated NSP, no holds barred. I’m not saying NSP should have won. I’m not saying anything close to it.

Once again, congratulations on the victory, and I hope you guys have fun with the higher elo servers. Good luck with VIP, by the way. I know we needed it.

I agree people shouldn’t be saying we dominated NSP, because towards the end of the week you guys had made a huge come back in terms of points. At one point during the week we had a 70k point lead at least, but just hours before the reset we barely had a 20k point lead. If we were doing 2 week matches as Anet originally intended we likely would have lost, or it would have been a hell of a lot closer.

But I’m not certain that is the point they were trying to make. People were saying we got dominated during the day but that simply wasn’t always the case. Just like we didn’t have an easy time dominating the maps at night, which people seem to think happens as well.

fellyn.5083

How is it off base? Most people get off work in the hour from 4pm to 5pm. That gives your EST prime time about 3 hours over us, while our people are still at work or otherwise occupied with school or whatever else.

Which is the entire point. You’re saying you dominate us during the day, but during the day is when we’ve always admitted we’re at our lowest wv3 showing. But come prime time PST that all changes. You see what I’m getting at here?

When you guys say we are “night capping” it’s barely 9-10pm for most of us on darkhaven

For 2 days now during the day, and when I say the day I mean 2pm-9pm EST, Mag has been ahead in points being gained on the scoreboard. At least 6 of those hours are also PST prime time hours. This isn’t an opinion, it’s simply a fact. This happens every single match up, so DH shouldn’t bad about it. Mag prime time is simply very strong. We have fought much higher tiered servers then DH has even fought, let alone are. Mag is battle-hardened, but we lose every time. It’s kind of a funny situation we’re in, but we enjoy ourselves regardless of end score because when we’re online we murder most servers quite easily. In our mind, PvP takes precedent over PvD.

saiyr.3071:

Kita.7819:

saiyr.3071:

Second favorite Darkhaven tactic!

That’s a yellow arrow… That’s YOUR SERVER’S Siege Golem.

Considering we wrecked it, I don’t think so.

Edit: In case you aren’t convinced that a yellow arrow means anything, here is your gate. Surely it isn’t a spy gate.

Oh, I get it now. You’re just jealous of our oddly placed siege weaponry. I bet this screenshot right here makes you wish you were on Darkhaven

Maguuma created Ramelot last match up. No jealousy to be found over here.

Don’t take my post wrong, you guys won the last bought legit , no arguments. I wish you the best in the upper teirs, there are just issue beyond times that are hurting this game more, times are one of them thou, but for me definitly not the top priority. Same issue plagued dark age of camelot , it is what it is. But the other issues are really killing it more atm.

Rhyis.7058:

fellyn.5083

How is it off base? Most people get off work in the hour from 4pm to 5pm. That gives your EST prime time about 3 hours over us, while our people are still at work or otherwise occupied with school or whatever else.

Which is the entire point. You’re saying you dominate us during the day, but during the day is when we’ve always admitted we’re at our lowest wv3 showing. But come prime time PST that all changes. You see what I’m getting at here?

When you guys say we are “night capping” it’s barely 9-10pm for most of us on darkhaven

For 2 days now during the day, and when I say the day I mean 2pm-9pm EST, Mag has been ahead in points being gained on the scoreboard. At least 6 of those hours are also PST prime time hours. This isn’t an opinion, it’s simply a fact. This happens every single match up, so DH shouldn’t bad about it. Mag prime time is simply very strong. We have fought much higher tiered servers then DH has even fought, let alone are. Mag is battle-hardened, but we lose every time. It’s kind of a funny situation we’re in, but we enjoy ourselves regardless of end score because when we’re online we murder most servers quite easily. In our mind, PvP takes precedent over PvD.

I can dispute it because I know what the scoreboard said and when I saw it. We had roughly 350~ points per tick to your 150~ at 6pm pst. I don’t remember the exact score but we held a pretty big point lead.

I would also question why a group of Maguuma would be attacking NSP in EB during prime time en mass when NSP was going after us pretty hard. But that’s an entirely different conversation.

Kita.7819:

saiyr.3071:

Kita.7819:

saiyr.3071:

Second favorite Darkhaven tactic!

That’s a yellow arrow… That’s YOUR SERVER’S Siege Golem.

Considering we wrecked it, I don’t think so.

Edit: In case you aren’t convinced that a yellow arrow means anything, here is your gate. Surely it isn’t a spy gate.

Oh, I get it now. You’re just jealous of our oddly placed siege weaponry. I bet this screenshot right here makes you wish you were on Darkhaven

I won’t lie, I am a little jealous. And by a little I mean a lot.

fellyn.5083

I would also question why a group of Maguuma would be attacking red in EB during prime time en mass when red was attacking us. But that’s an entirely different conversation.

EB is the terrible borderlands of terrible grub killing players. Maguuma formerly apologizes for any of our own players who happen to be inside Eternal Borderlands.

Rhyis.7058:

fellyn.5083

I would also question why a group of Maguuma would be attacking red in EB during prime time en mass when red was attacking us. But that’s an entirely different conversation.

EB is the terrible borderlands of terrible grub killing players. Maguuma formerly apologizes for any of our own players who happen to be inside Eternal Borderlands.

Eh, it’s not like we don’t do stuff like that all of the time. But yes, for the most part our larger community doesn’t go into Eternal Battlegrounds.

Score update, just add 8 hours of 500+ points for dh and thats what ya get in the morning

saiyr.3071:

Eh, it’s not like we don’t do stuff like that all of the time.

That’s what I’m saying.

After reading this thread and given some time to think about things, I made a number of different observations about the things that are going on.

First, I’m gonna say that I’m disappointed in whoever managed to get the other thread locked. I don’t know who said what or any of the specifics, but that does give our group of servers a really bad impression on the rest of the community. Not only that, it may misguide anyone that is thinking of transferring to one of our servers and realizes that the server they wanted to transfer to had such a bad impression on the community that their WvW thread was locked. That’s a bit of a stretch for the WvW mindset, but it’s still a possibility. It’s also not the main point of what I wanted to say…

Second, NSP has gone through some really weird messes with the structure and organization of their guilds/population/WvW probably moreso than most of the servers in the game. I won’t go through the history of the server again here because it takes too long, but this isn’t the first time (or second time) that we’ve had massive amounts of guilds leave from our server. I don’t know why this is, and although I can generate different theories on what may have happened to those guilds/our population, that doesn’t really matter. The issue is that it is happening and we need to do something to fix it. I know the guilds on our server have some great potential in their leadership and their numbers, but we need to stay motivated through the tough times and keep trying even though we’re losing. If you’re really dedicated to your server and WvW in general, you have to realize that to get better, sometimes you have to lose and find out your problems so you can fix them. The only way to get better is to play better servers with different strategies and situations. I’m sure Maguuma has a certain strategy they use, and I know Darkhaven definitely has a certain strategy (Nightcapping is a form of strategy as much as everyone may not want to admit it). We just need to learn to adapt better which we can only do by learning their tactics, which may require us to lose. It’s not a bad thing, and no one should be discouraged by that.

Another thing I’ve seen is everyone complain about how our server is doing poorly, and yes, that appears to be the case by the score count. But I would also like to point out that we had an excellent run two weeks ago against SoR and Yaks. Yes, we weren’t the same server we were two weeks ago, but the fact that we held our ground against both of those servers should be a total morale booster. We only lost during the final hours of the match-up against two servers that we tier-jumped to. That is something to be proud of, and I don’t know why everyone got discouraged after that. Now it’s like we can’t even hold our ground in general. I don’t know exactly how many people/guilds we’ve lost since then, but surely we haven’t lost enough to have a significant impact on our WVW.

On a similar note (for those who transferred or are thinking about transferring from any server), I would like to say that if your current stance against server transfers are that they are killing WvW because of the bandwagon-jumping, then it’s kind of hypocritical to server-jump for a similar reason. I saw it during the first time NSP had these problems where people said things like “We’re here to stay and help NSP come back from it’s losses!” then transfer from the server two days later because “It’s impossible due to having no numbers/bad organization”. I’m just saying you can’t get organized without having someone willing to organize it, so in reality, don’t complain unless you’re willing to put the effort into organization yourself. For those who do try and organize things, I give major props to you and hope to continue seeing you guys around.

So to prevent further rambling by me, I’ll let my mind rest and continue to watch this thread develop over time along with watching WvW scores/analysis closely.

To sum it up, everyone needs to stop the trash-talking, take the losses that happen as a learning experience/practice, and stop transferring servers if you really hate the free server transfers as much as you guys say you do. It’ll preserve the lifetime of the game along with keeping the fun levels to a maximum (which I know seems hard to do sometimes due to bugs, bots, ect.).

On that note, good luck to all three servers in WvW!

Keeping with Matts positive input, if any of you know any guilds that are tired of Ques, our night( or late day really, we NSP are starting to lack everywhere now) shift could really really really use some love.

Lord Aargadon.4135:

Keeping with Matts positive input, if any of you know any guilds that are tired of Ques, our night( or late day really, we NSP are starting to lack everywhere now) shift could really really really use some love.

Yes, this as well. I forgot to mention this in my post above. Thanks for saying this.

We’re willing to take anyone that wants to move to NSP (be it a guild, group of players, or a single player, every bit helps) and we’ll accept you with open arms. The community here is definitely great and we’re overall a friendly server. I’ll leave it at that before it turns into a server recruitment thread instead of a WvW thread

To the suggestion that ANet limit the the WvW population to the lowest server at the time. (ie. if NSP has only 1 player in WvW, then all other servers are limited to 1 player as well), you’re basically suggesting that, if Server X has no players on during night time or whatever, then most of the players on Servers Y and Z aren’t allowed to play WvW at that time.

And people who live in those timezones, can never play WvW unless they change to a server that MIGHT get matched up to another server with a larger nighttime population.

I doubt many people would consider this an acceptable solution.

Night capping is fine and dandy. Everybody should have no issues with it at all, because really, how do you implement RvR without it being 24/7? Players are going to play when ever they happen to be online. Who knows when that’s going to be.

Gloating about night capping is another matter however. PvD is enjoyable for nobody. Including the server doing the night capping, as it doesn’t hone their skills at all. One should always look to improve and sharpen their tactics and techniques inside WvW, and you can’t do that against a door.