Guild Wars 2

Angelyne.2936:

Go Viz ! Go !

Thanks to our foes, that’s a great matchup up so far.

PvDooring and nightcapping is part of the game and I’m not going to complain about that but I find it very weird that you would call this matchup great at the time that you have no opposition. You are thanking us for not being there. That doesn’t display a fighting spirit to me.

Last few rounds we lack good lead and any sense of teamwork in SFR. Our own borderland is always full but it seems that 50% of people are afk or mines the ore or something. In all key battles yesterday evening we were outnumbered.

Jackie.1829:

So what happened… I thought PRX’s presence was what was forcing you all to stay awake? Or so you all claimed day in and day out when we were beating you. And yet… when PRX leave.. do you go to bed? Oh no not at all. Because you know, if you cant get your 400+ ppt at night, you dont have a chance vs us in primetime <3

Well it is nice to know things are back to normal anyways. I guess you are all busy fortifying those towers so you can hide from us tomorrow during primetime.

are we supposed to go to bed and take it easy ? like you were doing when PrX was doing the dirty job for you ?

Oh man, i predict some rage here this week from SFR. Even Desolation puts more effort in than you do

Jackie.1829:

So what happened… I thought PRX’s presence was what was forcing you all to stay awake? Or so you all claimed day in and day out when we were beating you. And yet… when PRX leave.. do you go to bed? Oh no not at all. Because you know, if you cant get your 400+ ppt at night, you dont have a chance vs us in primetime <3

Well it is nice to know things are back to normal anyways. I guess you are all busy fortifying those towers so you can hide from us tomorrow during primetime.

Lol what do you beat but the wind? We saw last primetime how crousty VoTF was. Please, stop think you are so good. You are not bad I guess but without number you are nothing.

Cheer~

Oh no, I dont mind at all, by all means cap away. I only find it hypocritical that for weeks several from vizunah came here and said they were “forced” to stay awake due to PRX being here. But that was a complete lie, they would have been up night capping either way, they were just upset that they couldnt do it with no competition. And thats the truth.

Win or lose… matters little to me.

Caliban.3176:

Angelyne.2936:

Go Viz ! Go !

Thanks to our foes, that’s a great matchup up so far.

PvDooring and nightcapping is part of the game and I’m not going to complain about that but I find it very weird that you would call this matchup great at the time that you have no opposition. You are thanking us for not being there. That doesn’t display a fighting spirit to me.

This is just hipocrit from VS, man
we got a talk with Troma bout it last 2 week, it’s like 50-0 q3 duel and winner type “GG”

anyway, SFR! Standup @ fight!

This forum match-up was too slack. Here we go!

Well, that’s how I was expecting it. Personally, I am not willed to stay up late during a tough working week just to win this matchup, and I feel many more on SFR are feeling the same way.

You guys just tell us that without NA SFR is nothing.
How sad…

Go Deso! You can make it!

I hope Deso will finish second, they deserve it more than SFR.

We will likely go down to tier 2 even if we finish second, just because elona is gaining so many points from no opposition =/

Ah, seems the forum frequenters of VZ have some free time, since their morning team did all their work for them.

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stop it please. (i mean zoom hack)

Zaowi.7098:

We will likely go down to tier 2 even if we finish second, just because elona is gaining so many points from no opposition =/

Its a shame, really. You don’t deserve to go down but this week is a mess everywhere. Look at baruch – they might go up to T2 even though they are losing lots of points.

Its not only the morning m8, VS night is on roids :/ I fear this is their true strenght… if this is so we stand no chance, we can only leech leftovers.

We must consume the weaker night entities for survival sorry SFR :_O omnom

For me it is interessting to see how VIZ are doing, if I look at the past 4-5 weeks, than I see a clear pattern: One week (like this) they are very strong and have overall a strong presence, especially during late night, early morning hours -and 1 week they tend to be a bit more relaxed and just try to not loose too many points, but are ok with 2nd place.

According 2 that we just need to finish that week 2nd, next week we will win again and so on….

But, perhaps they will now change this algorithm due to this post ;-) who knows.

at weekends i saw many times that SfR and Vizu randoms w\o any commander beats GH train. shame on u, guys!

no probs, Ogre, do what u must and let it be.

Wandred.4583:

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stop it please. (i mean zoom hack)

Did you know you can rename your pet ?

TheWizard.3719:

For me it is interessting to see how VIZ are doing, if I look at the past 4-5 weeks, than I see a clear pattern: One week (like this) they are very strong and have overall a strong presence, especially during late night, early morning hours -and 1 week they tend to be a bit more relaxed and just try to not loose too many points, but are ok with 2nd place.

According 2 that we just need to finish that week 2nd, next week we will win again and so on….

But, perhaps they will now change this algorithm due to this post ;-) who knows.

You’re right it was an algorithm to counter US presence on EU ladder. Now we use a new one : 1+1 = 2.

Good luck to decypt.

Logged on for a bit last night to see how things were going.

Usual thing from SFR- no one camp capping, commanders focused purely on keep, no raiding party, VS turning up at any contested camp in a mob of 20-30, except for me, a guy from VoTF and a random, when we not only took the camp but held it against quite a few until the blob arrived and finally got us down. That was fun!

VS are MUCH better at the points game, capping camps and timing holds on them for the ticker. When I checked the score things were pretty even, except VS held 11 camps to our 4 (yes, 4 in TOTAL across all borders). That’s 35 points, or a 70 point swing in the score if you reverse it. All borderlands were full at that time, so it wasn’t a lack of numbers on our part.

Now VS can dominate in the numbers game in very late night/early morning we’re back to ‘VS is the best’ posts and I expect them to win easily this week unless our organisation can do a better job of clocking points when we have the numbers, which would mean commanders actually assigning a few people as raiding parties rather than just hoping someone will go and do it.

VS is the best

Well national server probably can force some players do boring stuff.

Junkpile.7439:

Well national server probably can force some players do boring stuff.

Boring stuff yes, because we play for the server, not for individual glory.

Well when i saw yesterday afternoon that deso can get a full T3 SM in a few hours, with queue on map from SFR, it’s pretty clear that SFR have a lot of rethinking to do if they want to keep being in T1.

Prx is not here anymore to do the scoring job , so you guys should really start to be smart and do something else than a major blob to farm badges.

Vizunah are stronger this week, there is no doubt the influx from Arborstone has helped, having said that they have proven themselves capable of coming back strongly numerous times in the past after poor weeks.

The pvd argument always makes me confused, you would of thought the server with the best/strongest night team, Vizunah, would want to have a fight at night rather than easy points. Their strong arguments against NA guilds contradicts this.

Sfr for some reason do not seem as strong at all times this week, not sure why, but I am sure they will bounce back, due to their impressive wvw community.

If Deso manage to pip SF for second this week, I will be disgusted if we go down a tier as this would make a complete mockery of Anet’s wvw ranking system.

Amasius, thanks for the comment mate.

Last evening’s prime was fun !
The points were very well balanced between the 3 servers during primetime (between 20h-24h GMT+1 I would say), showing that we all deserve our spot in T1

Grats everyone !

Offski.4897:

Vizunah are stronger this week, there is no doubt the influx from Arborstone has helped, having said that they have proven themselves capable of coming back strongly numerous times in the past after poor weeks.

The pvd argument always makes me confused, you would of thought the server with the best/strongest night team, Vizunah, would want to have a fight at night rather than easy points. Their strong arguments against NA guilds contradicts this.

Sfr for some reason do not seem as strong at all times this week, not sure why, but I am sure they will bounce back, due to their impressive wvw community.

If Deso manage to pip SF for second this week, I will be disgusted if we go down a tier as this would make a complete mockery of Anet’s wvw ranking system.

Amasius, thanks for the comment mate.

Viz’s arguments about NA guilds were only ever about having competition with night capping, as they do it reguardless of who they play. Its already been said they play the points game very well, they come in force early in the morning, in a 30+ man zerg plus numerous golums while vastly outnumbering the enemy.

What is interesting is, as soon as a enemy server wakes up, then run back into their keeps and refuse to come out until they gather the zerg and golums again for a surprise attack, it is the only tactic they have. Its incredible that the highest rank server EU is the one that actually wants to fight the least. Running away at the first sight of the enemy is funny.

I try to think of the fight from Viz’s perspective though, and struggle to find any fun from it. Stay in the keeps until we can vastly outnumber the enemy and golum rush before they can react. While this is effective why would anyone want to play in a pvp zone without doing much pvp? That Viz fighting spirit sure is strange.

Its a nice matchup, and always fun when 3 noob thieves are camping the JP. :P Nice one there VgL. I wish they could learn to play well instead.

Fights are nice in this tier, but why this thread is full of blaming? are you kids?, been watching every WvW thread my server was involved and this is the first (second, as is our second week in t1) time i see such a sad scene.

Black i and many others enjoy the fights in this tier, but in forums there are 60% trolls that want to blame the enemies.

I much enjoy the fights against Vizu and Deso or Elona or who ever will come to t1 or who ever we meet in other tiers if we go down.

There are many players who like the fights, but sadly in the forums the negative emotions are stornger than the positive.

I lked it so far, and hope there will be good fights in the future.

Haralin.1473:

, but sadly in the forums the negative emotions are stornger than the positive.

There is a way to change that:
Ignore negative posts of the opponents, react only to negative posts from your server, i.e tell them friendly that you fell ashame having them on your server.

If the majority is positive, the negatives will dry out with that.

Actually fighting against Vizuhna is the saddest thing I’ve ever seen in this game. All they seem to be able to do is build golems. And when 2 golems are not enough, then the next time it’s 4 or 6. Do these guys even know that there is other siege to break through gates?

I’ll be happy when we’re back in T2 and I’m really looking forward to face Piken and I had lots of fun with some Kodash in the past.

This playing for points and not for fun is not what I’m looking for in this game.

Why? vizuhna plays WvW as a real game, they mostly suck at open field/attack fights. But their defences are great. Their builds are different, but that’s their way to play, defensive server which mostly tries sneaky attacks. They maybe dont look vgood in videos, but they do their work.

If you want a massive field for just hitting each other, ask Anet for a sPvP massive battleground and done. That’s not what WvW should be, even though most people praises guilds who only do that.

Not that attacking is bad, but defending is also a way to play.

kittenra Quo.1932:

Actually fighting against Vizuhna is the saddest thing I’ve ever seen in this game. All they seem to be able to do is build golems. And when 2 golems are not enough, then the next time it’s 4 or 6. Do these guys even know that there is other siege to break through gates?

I’ll be happy when we’re back in T2 and I’m really looking forward to face Piken and I had lots of fun with some Kodash in the past.

This playing for points and not for fun is not what I’m looking for in this game.

Ahah come one, we never saw as many golems as the first week SFR was in T1, on the worst days we destroyed as many as 40 SFR golems in 24 hours ….

not our fault if you don’t have any more golds to be as crazy as week 1 :p

vizunah always fighted in the long term, you’re not the first server burning yourself after one or two weeks of T1. Hope i’m mistaken, T1 will not be fun if it was not so hard.

And that’s why Deso impressed a lot of us, they fell down really hard but came back even stronger, so congratz to them.

I just hope viz will not be too strong with PA players coming there, it’s boring when you don’t have anybody to fight. But it’s not only positive, our strong point, organization, is a mess this week. Too many new players.

@offski

you write:
“If Deso manage to pip SF for second this week, I will be disgusted if we go down a tier as this would make a complete mockery of Anet’s wvw ranking system.”

i understand your point cause your server is the one going down but check this
matchup:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/5

i know its bad when your server goes down but the other way with ruin nightcapping making 400k a week and jumping to t1 it is well played ey?

i remember good all your “IRON” postings about so plz relax – they are not deleted and would be a good laugh

have a nice day

Romek.4201:

@offski

you write:
“If Deso manage to pip SF for second this week, I will be disgusted if we go down a tier as this would make a complete mockery of Anet’s wvw ranking system.”

i understand your point cause your server is the one going down but check this
matchup:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/5

i know its bad when your server goes down but the other way with ruin nightcapping making 400k a week and jumping to t1 it is well played ey?

i remember good all your “IRON” postings about so plz relax – they are not deleted and would be a good laugh

have a nice day

Am sure even u will agree if deso goes to tier 2 it is because of tier 2 failure to compete with elona. However i think its good that we go to tier 2. It will avoid lot of bandwagon who will instead go to sfr. But i don’t think we will stay in tier 2 for more thank a week.

Starscream.7803:

I try to think of the fight from Viz’s perspective though, and struggle to find any fun from it. Stay in the keeps until we can vastly outnumber the enemy and golum rush before they can react. While this is effective why would anyone want to play in a pvp zone without doing much pvp? That Viz fighting spirit sure is strange.

So how insulting others is meant to change things, please explain ?

@Black Ice Spain, thanks for the clever posts, a big +1 to what you said, give them GvG so that we can play WvW without all this crap on the forum.

Open field battles is the worst strategy in WvW, get the point or not it is like that.
Why one would do something that doesn’t help the server, it is absurd (not even talking of the clipping issue), if you are not happy with the rules then talk with ANet .

no i dont agree

it was just a question of time – even with full arbor Elona would win week for week and gaining points

the 3th in t1 goes down – normal

@IRON and Deso : Continue to focus SFR and maybe you will stay to D1

And for Viz haters above, if sometimes Viz stayed in defense, tell me how to do otherwise when you have one IRON + pug zerg and one VoTF + pug zerg on each side who focus the same ennemy ignoring themselves ?

Hopefully things changed this week.

I still do not understand the “viz behind wall” thing. Yesterday afternoon, i took the lead of SFR map and we made epic battles versus VcY guild, on sunny hill and on the open field near. And i’m sure others commanders/leads do it a lot too, when they can. It’s just that sometimes you have to defend castles, sometimes you fight outdoor, sometimes you turtle, sometimes you split. Depend !

and if you put all pressure on Vizunians, it seems logic that they will defend and protect in a tower.

Romek, the fact that you still associate what Ruin did with Desolation is a joke so please stop bringing it up. Desolation while RUIN was around is dead and buried, we paid the price and at the time the majority of the server felt we were pushed into tier 1 too soon.

Yet again we DID NOT RECRUIT THEM and were powerless to prevent them transferring. Furthermore prior to their arrival Vizunah had a very strong nightcapping team and used the same strategy to accrue massive points. I’m not saying this to point fingers or start a flame war with VS. Everyone personally involved in WvW at the time knows the history. It’s about time we put the RUIN story in the ground, they showed Europe their true colours and we’re all glad they’re gone.

Good luck in tier 1 next week Elona, I hope you’ve managed to get your “holiday” crew in order because you’re in for a very humbling experience.

There is nothing to understand but raging and QQing.

Like when themselves are going to lose they don’t try to back… lmfao.

MarzAttakz.9608:

Furthermore prior to their arrival Vizunah had a very strong nightcapping team and used the same strategy to accrue massive points. I’m not saying this to point fingers or start a flame war with VS. Everyone personally involved in WvW at the time knows the history. It’s about time we put the RUIN story in the ground, they showed Europe their true colours and we’re all glad they’re gone.

Taking out weekend and holidays, our “strong” nightcapping crew really started with RUIN to counter them, and was made stronger with BT and SFR. Prior to that, 20 people on all maps between 3am and 8am was considered strong.

the only difference with the other servers before RUIN comes to deso was from the night organisation, we always tried to organise it as well as the prime time one. 20 people everywhere and 20 people together are not the same.

but that’s an old story. it was a little the fault of everybody and nobody at the same time, but now T1 EU is more and more 24/24.

I’m a regular VS WvW player and i have to say SFR and Deso (specialy Votf and IRON) are beast on the battlefield, i hope our PU bus could have as much discipline as yours when it come to open field battle. Hopefully some leads on our side are working on it step by step to educate players. Our force now i think come from our defense and coordination, we learnt to be as effective as possible at taking and keeping towers cause we faced lot of very aggressive server reaching T1 weeks after weeks and by this way maybe you made us playing like that.
Anyway the battle this week is very entertaining just like weeks before, and i’m enjoying it. Cheers.

And please stop all the nightcap cry. Day for some ppl are night for others.. the word Nightcap should not even exist on this forum.

salluks.6017:

Am sure even u will agree if deso goes to tier 2 it is because of tier 2 failure to compete with elona. However i think its good that we go to tier 2. It will avoid lot of bandwagon who will instead go to sfr. But i don’t think we will stay in tier 2 for more thank a week.

Maybe we fail in T1 again, but we need to fail very badly for you going up.
You will have a hard time preserving your rating points in T2 with the current setup:
Desolation 1 982.250
Kodash 1 849.199
Baruch Bay 1 753.849

To not lose rating points your match-score needs to be:
- three times BB with their rating 230pts lower than yours
- twice that of kodash with it’s 130pts less than you.
Especially vs BBs night-force this will be difficult.

My expection is that either SFR breaks apart till transfers close on sunday or you will stay longer in T2, because there is no one in T2 you can get points from.

So I guess Deso only change for T1 in the near future is to kick SFR instead of going yourself

VS, Deso and Elona could be a great matchup

SFR is very strong DESPITE the VS late night/morning cap spree and the fact SFR are not good at organising cap teams for the camps that are so important in the overall score and for supplies, etc.

Imagine what they would be like if the major guilds get their act together, recruit a decent NA guild to battle the VS early morning shift AND learn to make at least two 5 man raiding parties of their guildies instead of leaving it to pugs to wonder aimlessly around the map being stomped by 20+ VS that are on camp duties.

Dayra.7405:

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Yes that could very well be the case. If we would get in second place this week, we could still drop to t2 and stuck there for a while. Ironically second best server after two weeks drops to lower tier. This is where the point calculation system does not work properly. We do not drop a tier because we can’t hold out in t1 but just because of the annihilation happening in tier 2. Same kind of thing happening in t9. RoS is only barely getting upper tiers next week after dominating their tier for two weeks in a row.

At first I thought it was simple system, Winner goes up, loser down. That would bring some fresh air to a matchup every week. The points calculating system is usually a good thing but theres exceptions like these.

I’m more disappointed in not facing Piken Square than dropping a tier. Facing elona would be great too but let’s wait for the week to end. Almost everything can still happen.

Why i have the feeling that VS are playing like their life depends on it ?