Guild Wars 2

Soooo, Anet stuff said that it is allowed and that is fine. The problem is that at OS is arena for “large fights” or just GvGs – let’s be clear, now cos of those ppl who want to strip WvWers out of honor( getting UD in 1 week…) we can’t put guilds there due to queues. If not OS they go to borders and the whole thing is back to mill and rage from ppters who interfere with gvgs and send guilds to OS where they can’t fight and the rage is about less spots for maps for ppters-> smaller blob than enemy’s one -> lose a fight and map -> lose points -> lose matchup. And then again the whole thing about fights over ppt and ppt over fights start. And the ones that get called “kitteners, kittens, kittens” etc. aren’t those ppl farming OS, they are fighters( or just Guilds) who don’t have a place now. I’m not affected by that( cos I don’t give a kitten about flame – just rpeort, mute, let him be), but it is sad that cos of arenanet’s position we lost our only place for sparring where ppters didn’t complain and didn’t interfere.

Here is simple solution: Turn off kills counting at OS, not just loot. For us, legit WvWers it is shame that some PvE players who don’t have idea about WvW get most precious tittle.

ps. Ye QQ cos it is worse than lag atm. Also OS was the only map without lag spikes.

Oh my GOD people need to STOP with this, lol. ANet said it’s fine. It’s fine. Farmer’s ‘gon farm. Let it go, stop making excuses trying to stop them. It’s just like what happened with Queensdale and now we have EOTM, look what happened with that.

@SpellOflniquity, yeah but what about issue with queue to OS cos of them? As i wrote it is fine that anet’s accepted that( for me it is still kittened and not gonna make UD there, even if i will make it in next 2 years and after all other players), but guilds don’t have other place to fight than borders and ppters are bullying them by flaming and engaging their fights.

Kasteros.9847:

@SpellOflniquity, yeah but what about issue with queue to OS cos of them? As i wrote it is fine that anet’s accepted that( for me it is still kittened and not gonna make UD there, even if i will make it in next 2 years and after all other players), but guilds don’t have other place to fight than borders and ppters are bullying them by flaming and engaging their fights.

Queues because of who? Who is “them”? Players who are playing in an acceptable, and specifically approved manner?

It appears to me that you are complaining to try to have others forced out of there, for playing differently then you, so that you can get yourself and and others who play the way you like in.

coglin.1867:

Kasteros.9847:

@SpellOflniquity, yeah but what about issue with queue to OS cos of them? As i wrote it is fine that anet’s accepted that( for me it is still kittened and not gonna make UD there, even if i will make it in next 2 years and after all other players), but guilds don’t have other place to fight than borders and ppters are bullying them by flaming and engaging their fights.

Queues because of who? Who is “them”? Players who are playing in an acceptable, and specifically approved manner?

It appears to me that you are complaining to try to have others forced out of there, for playing differently then you, so that you can get yourself and and others who play the way you like in.

Nah. I can be fine with it, if not ppters flaming at me for fighting at borders and sending me to OS where i can;t get due to queues. Also according to whole WvW communtiy and Devs arena at OS is a place for massive fights – meaning is a place for gvg, yet gvgers can;t get there cos of exploit farmers and end up at borders being flamed by ppters and called “kitteners, kittens, kittentards” etc. It isn’t nice from them, but they have their rights too, cos when we fight, somewhere bay or other point is lost and we can’t go fight at map that don’t interfere with income cos of thos farmers and that result in bigger and bigger hate from ppters toward us. Clear now?

this is stupid my guild was not able to take part in a GvG because of the stupid farmers, anet stop this or increase the kitten cap its that simple.

its not the players fault that you software (GW2) is not able to use hardware correctly this is your issue and it about kitten time that you fix this.

Pls remove killcounter and exp from OS, ty

OP is a hypocrite. He was member of the OS farm guild until this evening where he suddenly left.

There is no gvg game mode and there wont be any support for it ever.

Malediktus.3740:

OP is a hypocrite. He was member of the OS farm guild until this evening where he suddenly left.

If u mean me, I wasn’t part of the guild, got inv to some ULTD guild while w8ing for gvg and trying to “convice” some guy that has nick with M at start to stop this farm. My character nickname was Hiena Wojny if u wanna proof, ask him, I was pretty active at map chat till gvg started.

jaimy.4108:

Pls remove killcounter and exp from OS, ty

/sign, let people work for their achievements instead of boosting eachother.

Kasteros: people are gonna farm. This is the law in every MMO. Some scrub will have his “Ultimate Dominator” title by farming in OS for hours, so what? Are you jealous of him? The guy just lost hours of his life on something that can in no way be considered fun, just to get a title in a video game. I always keep this title in my bucket list, and I’m about to reach 2% just by roaming solo. And I’m proud of it! Achievements are only achievements if you feel like you have done something to deserve them.

jaimy.4108:

Pls remove killcounter and exp from OS, ty

This

I like this idea. …. but farmers going to farm elsewhere then ,… just watch. If not in farm spot A, move to farm spot B.

jaimy.4108:

Pls remove killcounter and exp from OS, ty

please do this
/s/

farm the farmers.

godofcows.2451:

farm the farmers.

Getting a multi guild task force of people that you know, can actually play, to run in and wipe the scrubs would be pretty fun.

What do you get for this title? A free precursor? I just don’t see what the point of title farming is. Am I supposed to ooh and ahh when I see this title, when I know whoever has it didn’t even earn it?

Kasteros.9847:

…OS is arena for “large fights” or just GvGs…

FIRST of kittenING ALL, Obsidian Sanctum IS NOT an arena for "GvG"s. Obsidian Sanctum is a jumping puzzle where you can kill other players. End of. If you want to liken it to a PvP game mode it is more similar to Slayer or King of the Hill than anything else. You "GvG"ers are delusional and you disgust me. There is no such thing as GvG in this game and what you are doing is NOT GvG. There are no keeps or bases, no flag stand and no competitive plays. You stack buffs on a zerg (albeit ineffectively considering AoE in this game maxes at 5 targets) and then have at in on a completely flat surface. It is pointless, it is rewardless, and it is plain silly. The only reason ArenaNet ever added that warrantless “arena” was to stop whining from both sides- the WvWers complaining about the "GvG"ers out on the open map and the "GvG"ers for existing. Obsidian Sanctum was once lively and used properly and it is an absolute tragedy the state that it is in now- a large part of which was caused by the “GvG” community and the overall WvW community’s constant kittening.

Do something. These kitten GvG server jumpers guilds come EotM and ruin good fights. I need to shoot cows inside their blob to get some kills.

Quite frankly, I can only laugh at the bots killing each other. UD is a joke of a title ever since Edge of the Mists was introduced. When I see someone with UD, I know he or she killed 250’000 zerglings. Congrats, you earned it, I guess. When I see someone from ULTD with UD, I know he or she wasted precious time running into a corner, killing themselves with retaliation.

Does it affect me? No.
Does it have to go? That’s for ANet to decide.

msalakka.4653:

What do you get for this title? A free precursor? I just don’t see what the point of title farming is. Am I supposed to ooh and ahh when I see this title, when I know whoever has it didn’t even earn it?

There are some dedicated AP farmers out there. If they can earn a point doing it – they’ll do it come heck or high water.

Power.2957:

Kasteros.9847:

…OS is arena for “large fights” or just GvGs…

FIRST of kittenING ALL, Obsidian Sanctum IS NOT an arena for "GvG"s. Obsidian Sanctum is a jumping puzzle where you can kill other players. End of. If you want to liken it to a PvP game mode it is more similar to Slayer or King of the Hill than anything else. You "GvG"ers are delusional and you disgust me. There is no such thing as GvG in this game and what you are doing is NOT GvG. There are no keeps or bases, no flag stand and no competitive plays. You stack buffs on a zerg (albeit ineffectively considering AoE in this game maxes at 5 targets) and then have at in on a completely flat surface. It is pointless, it is rewardless, and it is plain silly. The only reason ArenaNet ever added that warrantless “arena” was to stop whining from both sides- the WvWers complaining about the "GvG"ers out on the open map and the "GvG"ers for existing. Obsidian Sanctum was once lively and used properly and it is an absolute tragedy the state that it is in now- a large part of which was caused by the “GvG” community and the overall WvW community’s constant kittening.

First, you’re contradicting yourself. By saying, "The only reason ArenaNet ever added that warrantless “arena” was to stop whining from both sides-" you are acknowledging the fact that one of OS’s purposes is as an arena.

Second, GvG means Guild versus Guild. The extra kind of fluff stuff you’re trying to tack on doesn’t have a thing to do with it. As for it’s competitive nature and rward, it’s in becoming more coordinated with your guild/groups to overcome another coordinated guild/groups with the same numbers.

Lastly, GvG communities didn’t have a kitten thing to do with OS’s current state. The thing that killed OS is that it’s a kittenty JP with INSIGNIFICANT rewards. If it wasn’t for the GvGers then there wouldn’t be anyone in there consistently besides the random trolls that camp certain spots and people that haven’t done it before.

Power.2957:

Kasteros.9847:

…OS is arena for “large fights” or just GvGs…

FIRST of kittenING ALL, Obsidian Sanctum IS NOT an arena for "GvG"s. Obsidian Sanctum is a jumping puzzle where you can kill other players. End of. If you want to liken it to a PvP game mode it is more similar to Slayer or King of the Hill than anything else. You "GvG"ers are delusional and you disgust me. There is no such thing as GvG in this game and what you are doing is NOT GvG. There are no keeps or bases, no flag stand and no competitive plays. You stack buffs on a zerg (albeit ineffectively considering AoE in this game maxes at 5 targets) and then have at in on a completely flat surface. It is pointless, it is rewardless, and it is plain silly. The only reason ArenaNet ever added that warrantless “arena” was to stop whining from both sides- the WvWers complaining about the "GvG"ers out on the open map and the "GvG"ers for existing. Obsidian Sanctum was once lively and used properly and it is an absolute tragedy the state that it is in now- a large part of which was caused by the “GvG” community and the overall WvW community’s constant kittening.

…But y u haf to be so angree?

jaimy.4108:

Pls remove killcounter and exp from OS, ty

Reverse the kill counter so it goes down, but make it silent and update it when the user has left.

Do we have a link to an official statement, designating the area for GvG?

Is respect for the GvG community not enough of a statement?

NeroGuilt.4720:

Is respect for the GvG community not enough of a statement?

It is totally irrelevant in my opinion. If someone is intentionally being dishonest is claiming that a thing is something that it is not. I am simply asking if the claim is blatant dishonesty, or if there is a fact of any kind to back it up. As I feel that is extremely realavent to the conversation.

coglin.1867:

NeroGuilt.4720:

Is respect for the GvG community not enough of a statement?

It is totally irrelevant in my opinion. If someone is intentionally being dishonest is claiming that a thing is something that it is not. I am simply asking if the claim is blatant dishonesty, or if there is a fact of any kind to back it up. As I feel that is extremely realavent to the conversation.

“Obsidian Sanctum Update
The Eternal Battlegrounds jumping puzzle, the Obsidian Sanctum, is receiving some changes! Along with being able to enter the jumping puzzle from inside your world’s keep in the Eternal Battlegrounds, you’ll now be able to enter the map directly through the WvW menu. Along with that, we’ve added a new arena space to the Obsidian Sanctum where opposing groups of players can meet up for combat. The Borderlands Bloodlust buff will no longer apply in the Obsidian Sanctum.”

While part of the reason behind OS was to get people who only care about the JP out of ques, they at several times mentioned it being geared towards GvG. This was in 2013, which is entirely too long ago for me to want to fish up a mod statement with it word for word, but the arena area was added in for GvG/Duels.

Oh wow, they are creating another Combat Healer title for themselves

What happent to the old trusted windmale?
When os is full with gvg’s or trolls we always go to the windmale.
I still dont understand why there is no guild wars in guild wars.
If some guild want a gvg. They must waypoint first to a jumping puzzle….
in that jumping puzzle there is a tiny hall… if you walk true it, then suddenly there is big arena? And this arena is the place were guilds fight eachother…… ehmm yea
Not to mention that everyone can troll the gvg’s, wich happens allot.
Everyone is screaming nerf os! nerf the jp! What about giving us a legit gvg arena.
Maybe in the new expension?

Hoaxintelligence.4628:

What happent to the old trusted windmale?
When os is full with gvg’s or trolls we always go to the windmale.
I still dont understand why there is no guild wars in guild wars.
If some guild want a gvg. They must waypoint first to a jumping puzzle….
in that jumping puzzle there is a tiny hall… if you walk true it, then suddenly there is big arena? And this arena is the place were guilds fight eachother…… ehmm yea
Not to mention that everyone can troll the gvg’s, wich happens allot.
Everyone is screaming nerf os! nerf the jp! What about giving us a legit gvg arena.
Maybe in the new expension?

The Windmill is still used sometimes but not as much because of the borderlands Bloodlust buff — making it a little more difficult to balance GvGs — and for common courtesy to keep que space reserved more for people actually trying to put up resistance.

NeroGuilt.4720:

coglin.1867:

NeroGuilt.4720:

Is respect for the GvG community not enough of a statement?

It is totally irrelevant in my opinion. If someone is intentionally being dishonest is claiming that a thing is something that it is not. I am simply asking if the claim is blatant dishonesty, or if there is a fact of any kind to back it up. As I feel that is extremely realavent to the conversation.

“Obsidian Sanctum Update
The Eternal Battlegrounds jumping puzzle, the Obsidian Sanctum, is receiving some changes! Along with being able to enter the jumping puzzle from inside your world’s keep in the Eternal Battlegrounds, you’ll now be able to enter the map directly through the WvW menu. Along with that, we’ve added a new arena space to the Obsidian Sanctum where opposing groups of players can meet up for combat. The Borderlands Bloodlust buff will no longer apply in the Obsidian Sanctum.”

While part of the reason behind OS was to get people who only care about the JP out of ques, they at several times mentioned it being geared towards GvG. This was in 2013, which is entirely too long ago for me to want to fish up a mod statement with it word for word, but the arena area was added in for GvG/Duels.

Do you have a link to both the statement you “quoted” and perhaps one that actually mentions GvG?

coglin.1867:

NeroGuilt.4720:

coglin.1867:

NeroGuilt.4720:

Is respect for the GvG community not enough of a statement?

It is totally irrelevant in my opinion. If someone is intentionally being dishonest is claiming that a thing is something that it is not. I am simply asking if the claim is blatant dishonesty, or if there is a fact of any kind to back it up. As I feel that is extremely realavent to the conversation.

“Obsidian Sanctum Update
The Eternal Battlegrounds jumping puzzle, the Obsidian Sanctum, is receiving some changes! Along with being able to enter the jumping puzzle from inside your world’s keep in the Eternal Battlegrounds, you’ll now be able to enter the map directly through the WvW menu. Along with that, we’ve added a new arena space to the Obsidian Sanctum where opposing groups of players can meet up for combat. The Borderlands Bloodlust buff will no longer apply in the Obsidian Sanctum.”

While part of the reason behind OS was to get people who only care about the JP out of ques, they at several times mentioned it being geared towards GvG. This was in 2013, which is entirely too long ago for me to want to fish up a mod statement with it word for word, but the arena area was added in for GvG/Duels.

Do you have a link to both the statement you “quoted” and perhaps one that actually mentions GvG?

should be one of their blogs, i cant be bothered to look for it but that might help yall out

“Greetings,

We’ve recently begun work on finding a reasonable space to accommodate the desires of players in World vs. World who wish to participate in organized, large-scale battles. We have decided to add an area to the Obsidian Sanctum jumping puzzle that is large enough to fit the fights and is removed from the entrances to facilitate some of the basic rules that are used during these fights. In addition, we will be disabling the borderlands bloodlust buff inside the map so that the players will be on a relatively even playing field. Finally, to make it easier to get to the map, we’ll be adding the map to the dropdown menu of WvW maps, allowing you to enter it from anywhere in the game. The space being added is really amazing and I think you are all going to enjoy battling it out in there if it is your preferred way to play. We decided to put this area in the jumping puzzle with the hopes of providing a space for people who wish to play the game this way to be able to do so without causing friction between them and other players who wish to focus on the other aspects of the game in WvW.

Guild vs. Guild is a gametype that has a lot of potential and one that we would never do anything but the best possible version of. That version, if it comes, will have to wait until the resources are available to build it. This change is an attempt to provide a workable solution in a timely manner, one that will ease some of the conflict that we have seen arise on the forums and in the game. WvW is an incredibly successful and engaging part of our game. It will continue to be a major focus for us as a studio and we will continue to put our effort into changes that are in the best interests of WvW as a gametype and the WvW community as a whole.

As is our practice, we won’t be releasing this until it is ready to go.

Devon Carver
WvW Coordinator"

source – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Obsidian-Sanctum-space-for-large-battles/first

coglin.1867:

Kasteros.9847:

@SpellOflniquity, yeah but what about issue with queue to OS cos of them? As i wrote it is fine that anet’s accepted that( for me it is still kittened and not gonna make UD there, even if i will make it in next 2 years and after all other players), but guilds don’t have other place to fight than borders and ppters are bullying them by flaming and engaging their fights.

Queues because of who? Who is “them”? Players who are playing in an acceptable, and specifically approved manner?

It appears to me that you are complaining to try to have others forced out of there, for playing differently then you, so that you can get yourself and and others who play the way you like in.

Agreed. People have the right to play however they want.

Of course if people are just standing in there farming, then I kinda feel sorry for them. I can’t imagine anyone being so bad at the game that this is the only way they can get rank chests.

jaimy.4108:

Pls remove killcounter and exp from OS, ty

this could be a solution ,but there is a problem with regular players that do the jp if it gives exp / wexp after accomplish of the jp.

i remember devs had implemented a feature in the past where if a player killed from the same enemy more than one time in a short time he didn’t take any exp or loot .

when they removed it ? seems, i missed the change

So you have an arena in OS. Argue it however you want, you’ll look like an idiot if you try and say that the arena they added was for anything other than coordinating interserver fights. It is out of the way to not interfere with the JP as well, though the JP fell out of popularity the moment that siege could be traded in more ways than dropping blueprints.

Should guild fights be unsupported based on the fact the community term is “GvG” and that phrase was well known for a different type of gameplay? No, because that’s just being pedantic.

Is it a AoE zerg fest? It could be. It could not be. Personally, I think it is a valid method of comparing guilds, based on the fact that coordinated zergs can destroy uncoordinated zergs easily, so it stands to reason that two coordinated zergs fighting depends entirely on group movement, composition, and the skill level of the weakest links in the group. But let’s say it is an aoe zerg fest. Why does it matter to you to complain about it? Is it because you rather small group play? Do small group play than, nothing is stopping you, small groups exist. Or go do dungeons. Or wait for stronghold to release. Or just qq more on the forums about your preferred gamemode not existing. Telling people their guild fights are stupid isn’t solving anything.

Maybe you really like playing for ppt and defending/attacking structures. In which case… why would you complain? You have fight guilds looking for fights on your maps, and your queues aren’t being negatively affected since the OS update. Unless you’re incredibly bitter, then good luck with that.

So the pptr’s are relatively alright. The GvG’rs are relatively alright.

Oh but then you have a bunch of people who are just gonna throw themselves into retaliation constantly to gain achievement progress. On an achievement for killing players. Which, to this point, is the only achievement that can be achieved for WvW. And they’re filling the queue for the arena that people use for fights, and some people occasionally use for a jumping puzzle. Which is annoying both GvG players and ppt players. For people farming kills. And justifying it from a lack of response from ANet.

Seriously.

There’s only one party who is being dishonest here, and trying to justify it with “i don’t like how other people play”.

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Second, GvG means Guild versus Guild. The extra kind of fluff stuff you’re trying to tack on doesn’t have a thing to do with it. As for it’s competitive nature and rward, it’s in becoming more coordinated with your guild/groups to overcome another coordinated guild/groups with the same numbers.

The “fluff stuff” he’s talking about is exactly the stuff that was part of GvG in the original Guild Wars, and part of what made GvG exciting, fun, and competitive. Clearly, you never played that format, or never played the original Guild Wars at all.

20 people on each side slamming into each other for 30 seconds of fighting is an abomination to the term “Guild vs Guild”. Good matches in GW1 would exceed 20 minutes of highly-coordinated spikes, maneuvers and defenses before one side won. Bad matches could still take up to 10 to win.

If you think this current, makeshift format is actually competitive and interesting, you’d crap yourself if you ever watched a real GvG, even one as bad as Bloodspike vs IWAY.

BladeBraverBureba.1052:

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Second, GvG means Guild versus Guild. The extra kind of fluff stuff you’re trying to tack on doesn’t have a thing to do with it. As for it’s competitive nature and rward, it’s in becoming more coordinated with your guild/groups to overcome another coordinated guild/groups with the same numbers.

The “fluff stuff” he’s talking about is exactly the stuff that was part of GvG in the original Guild Wars, and part of what made GvG exciting, fun, and competitive. Clearly, you never played that format, or never played the original Guild Wars at all.

20 people on each side slamming into each other for 30 seconds of fighting is an abomination to the term “Guild vs Guild”. Good matches in GW1 would exceed 20 minutes of highly-coordinated spikes, maneuvers and defenses before one side won. Bad matches could still take up to 10 to win.

If you think this current, makeshift format is actually competitive and interesting, you’d crap yourself if you ever watched a real GvG, even one as bad as Bloodspike vs IWAY.

20 HoM points and almost 200 hours put into GW1. I’ve seen GvGs in the original Guild Wars and even though they’re interesting, this is not GW1. The mechanics of GW2 — like rallying, dodge rolls, verticality, and so on — make it so it’s difficult to recapture that same style.

Also, if you think that there is no competition in GvG’s then you’ve probably not seen ones by guilds that actually GvG seriously — which would make sense since most GvGs tend to be in the 15v15 range instead of 20s --. With serious GvG guilds there’s a lot of play and counter play, including “highly-coordinated spikes, maneuvers and defenses”. Groups need to watch positioning for bombs or ganking, build comps need to be balanced to work off each other, group’s need to be properly partied to ensure the most efficient boon/cleanse spread, people need to verbal to communicate cd’s on important skills or if they’re receiving focus fire and might need to be rezed/bannered, groups like pick need to be use to their group’s habit’s and skill rotations to effectively combo or support them, etc.

godofcows.2451:

farm the farmers.

I more and more would love to see this happen, someone make a video of this please.

ULTD still recruiting Desolation Players for Ultimate Dominator farm.
Deso players make avg. 5-7k / h
PM to Incomparable Guard / Adalwolf.

Shosha.6901:

ULTD still recruiting Desolation Players for Ultimate Dominator farm.
Deso players make avg. 5-7k / h
PM to Incomparable Guard / Adalwolf.

Awesome. Now when will you guys go for the SM defender title, ill be interested to see that!

Hope ya all get banned for doing this to be fair.

Offair.2563:

Hope ya all get banned for doing this to be fair.

Why? Cos they’re playing how they want and not how you think they should be playjng?

It’s amusing to see all these people getting all worked up about a bunch of people playing how they want to, particularly those who are arguing from some obscure point of “honour”.

Playing in a way that makes you trash. How you people are okay with that I will never know. Good look being recruited into any good guild after they see y’all there.

joneirikb.7506:

godofcows.2451:

farm the farmers.

I more and more would love to see this happen, someone make a video of this please.

That wont end well. You get invulnerability buff until you reach the fight spot. So you cant kill anyone but the people who try to leech of the fight anyway xD

We need some way to exploit ach points so i can get 30k points without doing any PvE. Would be hilarious if running around mystic forge would give ach points.

Meanwhile I see more and more ultimate dominators around.

butch.8136:

Meanwhile I see more and more ultimate dominators around.

Dont exaggerate. Our guild made 5 UDs so far (I think). But a few people are past 200k now and will turn UD soon

ULTD still recruiting Kodash Players for Ultimate Dominator farm.

PM to Incomparable Guard / Adalwolf.

Kind of sad people are beating an already hurting game mode by ruining a title others worked hard for and spent a lot of time on.

But hey, it’s their sad virtual reality to get away from their sadder real life so yolo.