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EoTM Factions system is far superior to WvW’s server system.

But WvW’s Map is far superior to EoTM’s map.

so how about a merger of whats best about each?

I like this idea A LOT and have tried to be vocal about it recent weeks. But there are a lot of challanges that go along with this.

What if they took this new desert maps and made EotM as large as those maps. but kept the same gernal principle

A lot of WvW players don’t consider EotM “real” WvW because there is no server loyalty in EotM. Many WvW players play for server pride. Were that not the case, many people would have transferred to lower tiers to avoid the que experienced at higher tiers. It’s a lot easier to say, “I hate that server!” than it is to say, “I hate the green team!” when you might be green next week. If Anet goes to the “color faction” system in “real WvW”, it will drive another nail in the coffin of WvW.

I’d highly suggest & support the following:

1) Return Old Alpine Map to WvW.

2) Replace EotM Map with Desert Borderland.

3) Implement Map Rotation in EotM using Desert BL Map & Current EotM Map.

This would be a winning solution in my opinion.

Diku

Also, replace the Current WvW Base Map Mechanic with a new one…to deal with server stacking, population in-balances, and off peak hour capping.

@OP

EotM Factions system is already implemented & Megaserver system in use.

Let EotM use the Superior New Desert BL.

It should be easy to put back the Old Alpine Map for WvW to use.

ANet should really think about re-labeling WvW.

Current WvW – Classic WvW – World Server Based

EotM – New WvW – Megaserver System Based

Kind of like Classic & New Coke.

Diku.2546:

I’d highly suggest & support the following:

1) Return Old Alpine Map to WvW.

2) Replace EotM Map with Desert Borderland.

3) Implement Map Rotation in EotM using Desert BL Map & Current EotM Map.

This would be a winning solution in my opinion.

Diku

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Also, replace the Current WvW Base Map Mechanic with a new one…to deal with server stacking, population in-balances, and off peak hour capping.

Desert Borderland will not work for EotM because it’s not designed that way- it’s designed to be 3 maps with the same layout, just like Alpine: a starter area for the home team, and secondary spawns for the enemies. EotM is designed like EBG with 3 relatively equal sides.

And do you mean off YOUR peak time, off mine, or off someone else’s? WvW is 24/7- and somewhere on Earth it’s night where elsewhere it’s day. I’m at work while you’re playing, and you’re at work when I’m playing. Which one of us is playing at the wrong time?

@Sinbold

We should ask ANet to redo the New Desert Borderland to work with EotM then.

Putting the Old Alpine maps back into Classic WvW would allow them to work on getting the New Desert BL ready to work in EotM…aka…New WvW. Where according to the OP…Factions system is far superior to WvW’s server system…plus it’s already up & running.

ANet spends less time developing the Factions system…and can move quickly to deploy the New Desert BL into EotM…aka…New WvW.

Off peak / On peak…can’t we all just get along? WvW is 24/7…can’t we just accept that…and offer solutions to allow International cooperation instead?

Knighthonor.4061:

EoTM Factions system is far superior to WvW’s server system.

But WvW’s Map is far superior to EoTM’s map.

so how about a merger of whats best about each?

Please explain to me how EotM factions are more balanced than WvW’s server system.

Who wants red show of hands

LetoII.3782:

Who wants red show of hands

If I’m not green I will not play the entire week :P

LetoII.3782:

Who wants red show of hands

Only if I get overlook.

Oh wait, you mean the mega server crap.

No thanks.

Jayne.9251:

LetoII.3782:

Who wants red show of hands

Only if I get overlook.

Oh wait, you mean the mega server crap.

No thanks.

The swamp in EB is my personal fave
We saw those autocannons on EoTM in beta and never went back.. Still amazed green is the popular side.

Knighthonor.4061:

EoTM Factions system is far superior to WvW’s server system.

But WvW’s Map is far superior to EoTM’s map.

so how about a merger of whats best about each?

to be honest when i first heard this idea was opposed to it but seeing wvw and how low populated it is it might be an ok fix.
obviously wvw needs far better rewards and legendary armor/weapons as well as gliding to bring more people but population as is wont work. when you think about it factions could mean more maps overall that support/promote different play styles from zvz/gvg/roaming that all go towards ppt and ppt will hopefully become more meaningful.

Sinbold.8723:

A lot of WvW players don’t consider EotM “real” WvW because there is no server loyalty in EotM. Many WvW players play for server pride. Were that not the case, many people would have transferred to lower tiers to avoid the que experienced at higher tiers. It’s a lot easier to say, “I hate that server!” than it is to say, “I hate the green team!” when you might be green next week. If Anet goes to the “color faction” system in “real WvW”, it will drive another nail in the coffin of WvW.

Instead of saying what other people supposedly want. Why not just say what ‘you’ want? If your one of those players why not just say so? It’s hard to have a discussion when everyone is making claims on behalf of ‘other’ people. Whether it’s a reality or not is irrelevant. If they don’t care enough to talk about it on the forums, then they likely don’t care enough to quit if changes are made. The same can be said for any kind of game mechanic changes.

And now your response will be “I don’t need proof that’s just how it is…I’ve been playing for xxxxx….this is how it is….”. But what do you want? Speak up for yourself.

Cerby.1069:

Sinbold.8723:

A lot of WvW players don’t consider EotM “real” WvW because there is no server loyalty in EotM. Many WvW players play for server pride. Were that not the case, many people would have transferred to lower tiers to avoid the que experienced at higher tiers. It’s a lot easier to say, “I hate that server!” than it is to say, “I hate the green team!” when you might be green next week. If Anet goes to the “color faction” system in “real WvW”, it will drive another nail in the coffin of WvW.

Instead of saying what other people supposedly want. Why not just say what ‘you’ want? If your one of those players why not just say so? It’s hard to have a discussion when everyone is making claims on behalf of ‘other’ people. Whether it’s a reality or not is irrelevant. If they don’t care enough to talk about it on the forums, then they likely don’t care enough to quit if changes are made. The same can be said for any kind of game mechanic changes.

And now your response will be “I don’t need proof that’s just how it is…I’ve been playing for xxxxx….this is how it is….”. But what do you want? Speak up for yourself.

I’m not sure why your post is so angry. If anet decided to listen to the lets make WvW like EotM crowd I would quit immediately. I’m only one player but from ts conversations I wouldn’t be the only one.

Cerby.1069, unless you are a stranger to the WvW forums here, you ’ll have noted that pretty much any time someone mentions EotM, several players respond with, “EotM is not real WvW”. It is these people I am referring to in the above post.

Please re-read the post and tell me where I said anyone wants anything. In fact, you’ll notice the word “want” does not show up in the post.

“If they don’t care enough to talk about it on the forums, then they likely don’t care enough to quit if changes are made.” Did you just make a claim “on behalf of ‘other’ people.”? Doh!

Knighthonor.4061:

EoTM Factions system is far superior to WvW’s server system.

But WvW’s Map is far superior to EoTM’s map.

so how about a merger of whats best about each?

Megaserver red vs green vs blue are coming.

The new desert maps are not superior. The design discourages fighting because it is too layered and less straightforward. You want maps to encourage fighting and force players to clash over objectives.

Almost nobody wants these maps in a wvw setting, and that’s clear by current participation numbers. Essentially they are “pretty” and useless maps for player vs player content. Nobody who enjoys eotm is going to like these maps, so no, the devs are not going to pawn them off now knowing they are clearly not wanted.

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

Perfect idea to make wvw even more meaningless. I mean how many times did you join eotm being perfectly organized. Roamers/scouts/havoc/zergs working together to get it done? Not so much as it happend on the regular wvw maps i guess.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

And what’s your “smart” idea that eliminates population problems on low tier servers?

What’s your “smart” idea that makes wvw active and fuller at all times of the day and night for everyone who wants to play wvw?

And dumb idea? Eotm was designed by the devs as a test bed for future wvw updates, so maybe get your head out of the sand, and start paying attention to what is going on and what this game needs.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

Knighthonor.4061:

EoTM Factions system is far superior to WvW’s server system.

EotM factions and matches provide a lighthearted RvR experience. There is a lot of joy to be had from the freedom of just being able to log in, fight, and leave without any further thoughts or concerns. There’s no requirement to organize, nor concern for the outcome, or to perform well. If that’s one definition of “superior” then I guess it is for you. For others, we like having a persistent World. Worlds and WvW matches require far greater commitment, organization, and tactics. That provides the superior meaning and substance to the WvW experience for us.

That’s why I simply state that both modes should continue as they are. They provide a wider platform for players to find joy in the game.

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Ask players to behave like adults and spread out in tiers for the fights/competition like they do in EU.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Ask players to behave like adults and spread out in tiers for the fights/competition like they do in EU.

Ok so why don’t you organize that and be the US wvw savior…

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Ask players to behave like adults and spread out in tiers for the fights/competition like they do in EU.

Ok so why don’t you organize that and be the US wvw savior…

Anet tried to do it because we couldn’t do it ourselves and it wound up being a big T1 moan fest of constant threads.

Honestly, if people would just pull up their pants and organize, WvW could be awesome, instead of the huddled masses looking for pve ktrain maps.

Imagine a WvW where the servers rotated every week and you didn’t know who you were going to get each reset? EU is like this. I’d love to see this happen for NA. It’s fun.

Heck, even our King of the Heap T1 server was ousted recently, so everything’s up for grabs. Who WOULDN’T want that in their gameplay?

GvG NA tried to do this by moving to T3. I commend them for that. I know they’re having growing pains with it though.

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Ask players to behave like adults and spread out in tiers for the fights/competition like they do in EU.

Ok so why don’t you organize that and be the US wvw savior…

Anet tried to do it because we couldn’t do it ourselves and it wound up being a big T1 moan fest of constant threads.

Honestly, if people would just pull up their pants and organize, WvW could be awesome, instead of the huddled masses looking for pve ktrain maps.

Imagine a WvW where the servers rotated every week and you didn’t know who you were going to get each reset. EU is like this. I’d love to see this happen for NA. It’s fun.

Heck, even our King of the Heap T1 server was ousted recently, so everything’s up for grabs. Who WOULDN’T want that in their gameplay?

GvG NA tried to do this by moving to T3. I commend them for that. I know they’re having growing pains with it though.

Ok, so if you can’t do it, anet failed, you can’t come up with any real suggestion… then you may resume your +1000 comments while others figure it out for you. Try not to break the number keys on your keyboard

Swagger.1459:

Almost nobody wants these maps in a wvw setting, and that’s clear by current participation numbers. Essentially they are “pretty” and useless maps for player vs player content. Nobody who enjoys eotm is going to like these maps, so no, the devs are not going to pawn them off now knowing they are clearly not wanted.

Look at all these nobodies playing on this new empty map..

https://youtu.be/FWL_UVxESq0

Stop talking for everyone.

So you’re saying wvw population has not declined or do you always live in denial?

Swagger.1459:

So you’re saying wvw population has not declined or do you always live in denial?

The whole game population has declined.
It’ll decline even faster if WvW gets made into that soulless beast.

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

Ask players to behave like adults and spread out in tiers for the fights/competition like they do in EU.

Ok so why don’t you organize that and be the US wvw savior…

Anet tried to do it because we couldn’t do it ourselves and it wound up being a big T1 moan fest of constant threads.

Honestly, if people would just pull up their pants and organize, WvW could be awesome, instead of the huddled masses looking for pve ktrain maps.

Imagine a WvW where the servers rotated every week and you didn’t know who you were going to get each reset. EU is like this. I’d love to see this happen for NA. It’s fun.

Heck, even our King of the Heap T1 server was ousted recently, so everything’s up for grabs. Who WOULDN’T want that in their gameplay?

GvG NA tried to do this by moving to T3. I commend them for that. I know they’re having growing pains with it though.

Ok, so if you can’t do it, anet failed, you can’t come up with any real suggestion… then you may resume your +1000 comments while others figure it out for you. Try not to break the number keys on your keyboard

If you take a moment and look at how many are dissenting, you’ll notice that most of them are veterans to this game and dedicated to WvW.

Conversely, those pushing the mega server approach, if you look at their posting history .. well it says everything.

Still haven’t provided any solutions I see.

If you like ktrains, please use EoTM and any pve map.

Let us have WvW.

Getting closer to providing a solution! Keep it up!

How about we all just move up to tier 1 since the doors are wide open now… That’s a solution right?

How about we get rid of a few servers and just merge all the lesser populated ones after we all transfer right?

How about anet redistribute players across all servers to new homes so we are all even?

How about we just give server transfer discounts instead? That will fix things up right?

There is already a megaserver WvW map. It’s called Edge of the Mists. I’m quite happy for other people to go play there if they want to – I’ve even been there a couple of times myself…

BUT

I like playing in a small group that can make a difference and where personal skill matters more in a fight than sheer numbers.

I like roaming and upgrading things.

I enjoy solo or party scouting.

I want to be able to choose a map that will allow me to do the things I enjoy. I have EotM for k-train, EB for big fights, and I used to have home borderlands for small group work. See, there used to be something to suit all play styles.

If I wanted to be on a server that queues for WvW then I would have transferred to a higher tier one. Indeed, now they are all open I have another chance to do so – but I don’t want to.

I will not presume to tell anyone else on this forum how they should play WvW. Stop trying to force me to fit into what you want.

Let me keep my choices.

Sorry to break your hearts, but I’m 99% certain you a getting megaservered, among other things…

That’s fine, they’ll just lose the core playerbase who have stuck with WvW since launch.

And then when the pve crowd gets tired of the wvw ktrain, and runs off to the next new shiny, they’ll have to shut down wvw. completely.

Cos I know I’ll stop playing if they do that.

And so will many many other vets.

Honestly…EotM deserves to have the New Desert Borderland where the Megaserver/Alliance system would make use of it correctly.

ANet should just put the Old Alpine Map back into the current WvW since it’s already dying.

Why waste the New Desert Borderland Map on the WvW area that is dead.

Let EotM have the better Desert Borderland Map since it’s already overflowing with lots of players with the help of the Megaserver/Alliance system.

ANet really needs to make the following re-brand:

1) EotM = New Improved WvW – Megaserver/Faction based
and
2) Current WvW = Classic WvW – World Server based

It’s kinda funny when you peeps use the term “ktrain”. Eotm offers fast paced fun, teaches the basics really well, reward and xp rates are decent and there happen to be a lot of fights over objectives and bag hunting at times.

Wvw is just a slow paced and unrewarding version of eotm, and that’s not attractive to some players.

You peeps will learn to love the mega, you’ll see

“Let eotm have the better desert borderland map”… Most of you guys don’t even want it and you’re trying to pawn it off to eotm… Lol

@Swagger

Yeah…I agree…EotM should be promoted as New WvW.

Current WvW should be kept, but re-branded as Classic WvW with the Old Alpine Maps.

Once again…I strongly believe EotM deserves the New Desert Borderland maps instead of the Classic WvW side that isn’t using it properly. It’s such a waste of a brand new map that ANet spent a lot of resources to create.

Yuffi.2430:

There is already a megaserver WvW map. It’s called Edge of the Mists. I’m quite happy for other people to go play there if they want to – I’ve even been there a couple of times myself…

BUT

I like playing in a small group that can make a difference and where personal skill matters more in a fight than sheer numbers.

I like roaming and upgrading things.

I enjoy solo or party scouting.

I want to be able to choose a map that will allow me to do the things I enjoy. I have EotM for k-train, EB for big fights, and I used to have home borderlands for small group work. See, there used to be something to suit all play styles.

If I wanted to be on a server that queues for WvW then I would have transferred to a higher tier one. Indeed, now they are all open I have another chance to do so – but I don’t want to.

I will not presume to tell anyone else on this forum how they should play WvW. Stop trying to force me to fit into what you want.

Let me keep my choices.

Good post.

Right now with every server being open, people can just transfer and get the massive players that they seem to want to force onto everyone. I’ve been around a long time and most of that was in top of bronze. I lived for the small scale fights and solo roaming but as time went by I found myself not playing as much as I used to.

I took it upon myself to move recently just to see what it is like at the top and it is pretty much what people are pushing for with this whole alliance/EoTM talk. I log in at 9am to battle swords on the map and that continues pretty much all day with maybe 1 or 2 hours of down time..

Right now I’m having some fun I’m not going to lie. I was losing interest in this game and just transferring to something new for a change has brought wvw life back into me. Not sure how long I will last up here as I loved to solo roam and well t1 just isn’t the place for solo roaming. hehe

@Swagger

Pawn it off to EotM? Hehehe…you’ll learn to love it…it’s brand new & shiny!

Not joking – ANet could put the new Desert Borderland into rotation with current EotM Map to keep it interesting for the Megaserver/Faction crowd that runs there.

Just need to perhaps redo the map into 3 equal corners for Red/Green/Blue.

Megaserver/Faction is already working in EotM…so minimal development required.

Lol – glad you feel so confident Swagger, and I hope you have a good time – seriously.

However please show some respect and don’t tell me what I will enjoy or not enjoy.
I do know I’m not sure I can learn to love something I don’t want and would not play. I suspect I may not be alone in this feeling.

Swagger.1459:

Jayne.9251:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Quit spamming the forum with this dumb idea

+1000!

What’s your “smart” idea to fix most things wvw mr(s) +1000?

How does eotm style fix more than 1 thing in wvw? Idk if you do much eotm, but there are often empty maps, constant coverage disparity, 1-2 teams almo always have outnumbered etc… Eotm style would barely fix anything.

Sad fact of the matter is, people don’t have to offer their own suggestion in order to rightfully point out that another suggestion is truly terrible. The fact is, this suggestion is truly terrible. It makes no accommodation for server loyalists, it barely solves any problems and creates many new ones, it’s just overall terrible as an idea. This thread is for people to discuss this particular idea, they don’t have to put their own up to say it’s wrong. It’s valid to just criticize thte idea.

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Pawn it off to EotM? Hehehe…you’ll learn to love it…it’s brand new & shiny!

Haha that made me smile. Nope, sorry you guys are stuck with it until rotation next summer enjoy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_%28security%29

These are my predictions for you guys and gals…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/New-wvw-predictions/first#post5794780

Swagger.1459:

Diku.2546:

@Swagger

Pawn it off to EotM? Hehehe…you’ll learn to love it…it’s brand new & shiny!

Haha that made me smile. Nope, sorry you guys are stuck with it until rotation next summer enjoy!

Not joking – ANet could put the new Desert Borderland into rotation with current EotM Map to keep it interesting for the Megaserver/Faction crowd that runs there.

Just need to perhaps redo the map into 3 equal corners for Red/Green/Blue.

Megaserver/Faction is already working in EotM…so minimal development required.

This is for all the players who feel EotM is better than Classic WvW.

EotM gets the new content & resources are devoted to improving EotM as it becomes the New WvW game mode.

Leave Classic WvW alone…that’s my opinion.

Diku.2546:

Megaserver/Faction is already working in EotM…so minimal development required.

If you call working green always being the most populated faction then yes it is working. There have been posts in the past complaining about OG always winning and always having more players.. I don’t think anyone wants to play on red in EoTM.