I then dont know how you build your siege, but it sounds like you guys are failing very hard in it.
We never had that issue before with our opponents that they could destroy it that easily.
Could be you just haven’t encountered people using it this way.
We have.
playing against servers like sfr and fsp, trust me we have. We just never had this issue while they are trying to do it though. And i have been playing this game since day 1 lol.
After looking those videos, it only happens when you dont have anything inner or you have no scouts. It sounds more like holes in plans and organisation of people. Atleast you always have some guys yoloing and destroying it. Its easier to destroy it then build it lol.
playing against servers like sfr and fsp, trust me we have. We just never had this issue while they are trying to do it though. And i have been playing this game since day 1 lol.
Me too dear.
I suspect you don’t do defense a lot, lol. Or you’d have seen this in action. Particularly with FSP.
Or you always have enough bodies to defend. We saw this being used when we had like 6 people max on map. And then their blob arrived.
playing against servers like sfr and fsp, trust me we have. We just never had this issue while they are trying to do it though. And i have been playing this game since day 1 lol.
Me too dear.
I suspect you don’t do defense a lot, lol. Or you’d have seen this. Particularly with FSP.
(Hint; look at my sig line).
lol i have been doing defense for quite some time, we just pay attention quite well.
Still dont see the issue of this AC thing, just having some awake scouts is enough to destroy/counter it.
So 80 blob arrives, and you have three people in your keep. You spot it in time, and your guys are talented enough to destroy the ACs that are built (over and over again) vs 80 and then jump back into the keep?
Well if you have stance warriors its quite easy i mean invul for 15 secs is enough dmg to hold it, not just that in the time they build it 3 sup ac focus is enough to easily take down that siege while they focus your siege 1 by 1.
Well siege is more then just spam place it at one spot.
if you are building some siege inner gate, and you have 20 guys attacking cata spot at hills, without contesting, they can destroy most of the siege before you see it… You d’ont always have 5 people to scout your keep…
You have to use your defensive ac as soon as the ennemy group arrive, if you loose 1min it’s too late…
So 80 blob arrives, and you have three people in your keep. You spot it in time, and your guys are talented enough to destroy the ACs that are built (over and over again) vs 80 and then jump back into the keep?
Well kudos to you, lol.
I’m with you on this one Jayne. I lived it more than once playing in the off hours on my server.
Sometimes we can pull off a epic save but there are times when the enemy herd is so huge and well coordinated that 2-3 ppl are just not enough to hold them off.
Just hope he means both ways. Cos if they are limiting from behind walls only .. well, lol. (Behind implies being inside a structure, not outside).
I think they mean both ways. I suspect the term “behind” is meant to refer strictly to the relationship between the AC and the target, i.e., any situation where the there is a wall between the AC and the target.
An upcoming patch will contain changes to how line of sight is calculate for arrow carts. Some of the arrow cart skills ignored line of sight and the rest were too forgiving with their line of sight calculations. Both of these issues allowed players with modified cameras to shoot an arrow cart from behind walls to locations they shouldn’t have even been able to see, much less fire at. In the future arrow cart skills will use a special type of line of sight checking specifically designed to reduce this problem while still making the allowed target areas feel reasonable.
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An upcoming patch will contain changes to how line of sight is calculate for arrow carts. Some of the arrow cart skills ignored line of sight and the rest were too forgiving with their line of sight calculations. Both of these issues allowed players with modified cameras to shoot an arrow cart from behind walls to locations they shouldn’t have even been able to see, much less fire at. In the future arrow cart skills will use a special type of line of sight checking specifically designed to reduce this problem while still making the allowed target areas feel reasonable.
Thanks even though it years 3 years late, but who’s counting!
Ohh again with this been a problem for 3 years post.. Camera changes are not even a year old. Yes certain people have been doing it for years but it became a major issue when the camera changes came into play and everyone could now do it.
I’m looking forward to this change since being an outnumbered defender and recently these acs outside have done nothing but frustrate me.
An upcoming patch will contain changes to how line of sight is calculate for arrow carts. Some of the arrow cart skills ignored line of sight and the rest were too forgiving with their line of sight calculations. Both of these issues allowed players with modified cameras to shoot an arrow cart from behind walls to locations they shouldn’t have even been able to see, much less fire at. In the future arrow cart skills will use a special type of line of sight checking specifically designed to reduce this problem while still making the allowed target areas feel reasonable.
Thanks even though it years 3 years late, but who’s counting!
Ohh again with this been a problem for 3 years post.. Camera changes are not even a year old. Yes certain people have been doing it for years but it became a major issue when the camera changes came into play and everyone could now do it.
The amount of players that could do it before and after the camera change is a moot point as players have complained about this issue way before the camera changes a year ago. None the less still a welcome fix while better late than not at all I guess.
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Just hope he means both ways. Cos if they are limiting from behind walls only .. well, lol. (Behind implies being inside a structure, not outside).
I think he means both ways. I suspect the term “behind” is meant to refer strictly to the relationship between the AC and the target, i.e., any situation where the there is a wall between the AC and the target.
This explanation is what I meant. I was using the word “behind” to refer to the target being on the opposite side of an obstacle. Sorry for the confusion as I could have been clearer originally.
The problem: If you place an AC (arrow cart) in the right spot and set your field of view (FOV) to max, you can hit all players and siege inside a tower or keep.
I’d never seen this until last night. We were trying to defend Durios but an AC outside the wall (Umber-side) was hitting the top of the supply and the stairs to the lord’s room. Couldn’t get anything built in time. It seems like in the lower tiers, we don’t see as many exploits.
The problem: If you place an AC (arrow cart) in the right spot and set your field of view (FOV) to max, you can hit all players and siege inside a tower or keep.
I’d never seen this until last night. We were trying to defend Durios but an AC outside the wall (Umber-side) was hitting the top of the supply and the stairs to the lord’s room. Couldn’t get anything built in time. It seems like in the lower tiers, we don’t see as many exploits.
The problem: If you place an AC (arrow cart) in the right spot and set your field of view (FOV) to max, you can hit all players and siege inside a tower or keep.
I’d never seen this until last night. We were trying to defend Durios but an AC outside the wall (Umber-side) was hitting the top of the supply and the stairs to the lord’s room. Couldn’t get anything built in time. It seems like in the lower tiers, we don’t see as many exploits.
You haven’t seen Db. They use this method for any major attack (upgraded tower, keep).
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First of all ty Zac for doing something to fix this, im in tier 1 , BG & I see this going on almost any more every day, by other 2 server’s. over time have done a whole lot of scouting. turned in a tickit W/ screenshots about 2 mouths ago to Anet, about this. so glad to see something being done.
An upcoming patch will contain changes to how line of sight is calculate for arrow carts. Some of the arrow cart skills ignored line of sight and the rest were too forgiving with their line of sight calculations. Both of these issues allowed players with modified cameras to shoot an arrow cart from behind walls to locations they shouldn’t have even been able to see, much less fire at. In the future arrow cart skills will use a special type of line of sight checking specifically designed to reduce this problem while still making the allowed target areas feel reasonable.
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If you think seeing over walls is bad, how about through walls from below the map. Just using in game settings, you can put your camera through a wall, and fire the AC below the geometry to hit impossible places, like the lords room at hills. I’m not going to put videos or screenshots, like some other idiots who just want hits on their you tube channel.
Oh, and WHEN is this patch coming? I remember you guys already tried fixing this. Didn’t work. Like so many other fiascos. You fixed iZerker to not hit through walls, over gates, or players on top of walls, but you still, still, I mean common, still haven’t fixed Dragon’s Tooth. Please.
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Well if you have stance warriors its quite easy i mean invul for 15 secs is enough dmg to hold it, not just that in the time they build it 3 sup ac focus is enough to easily take down that siege while they focus your siege 1 by 1.
Well siege is more then just spam place it at one spot.
Invulnerable for 15 sec for DIRECT dmg, conditions and cc effects will pin u down in 10% of that invuln time vs a lot of people period. Now stop trying to troll man.
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What about Dragon’s Tooth? That ability ignores line of sight, people use it to eliminate all siege inside using zoom hacks, and people have been doing this for years.
Please fix this too
Considering this is getting more dev attention than what Karl gives to his classes, it’d be nice to see these skills get the same treatment (since the programmer’s already here).
Please consider nerfing all siege damage to players while you are at it. I think we can all understand siege v structure or siege v siege but the damage cannons, acs, ballistas, and mortars do to players is ruining good PvP and players ability to counter siege with skills. Especially consider nerfing the condis of these siege items like dat insane mortar burn and cannon chill.
Please consider nerfing all siege damage to players while you are at it. I think we can all understand siege v structure or siege v siege but the damage cannons, acs, ballistas, and mortars do to players is ruining good PvP and players ability to counter siege with skills. Especially consider nerfing the condis of these siege items like dat insane mortar burn and cannon chill.
Let me think when someone died to my sup AC the last time….
Never, I guess.
They might die if there’s 2 ACs though, but the times I’m with someone in a tower are really rare.
Solution to too many ACs – get either a balli and get them down (or an AC ‘til they will be nerfed) – if that isn’t possible, get a cata or treb and knock the walls down. You’ll still have the problem of too many ACs in the tower, so you ask a friendly mesmer to port you into the tower and destroy all acs you can find so the rest of your zerg can follow safely. If there’s no mesmer around tell your zerg to dodge twice to the stairs, empower, group aegis, kill the ACs.
Not saying ACs don’t do too much damage, although I really don’t think so, but you might be right, but there’s always the defending side and also ways around ACs.
Are you aware there is a bugs forum on these boards?
And you must know that we’re not getting any attention with this bug that makes scores less or more in a game of competition with thousands of players at any one time, right?
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Please consider nerfing all siege damage to players while you are at it. I think we can all understand siege v structure or siege v siege but the damage cannons, acs, ballistas, and mortars do to players is ruining good PvP and players ability to counter siege with skills. Especially consider nerfing the condis of these siege items like dat insane mortar burn and cannon chill.
Let me think when someone died to my sup AC the last time….
Never, I guess.
They might die if there’s 2 ACs though, but the times I’m with someone in a tower are really rare.
Solution to too many ACs – get either a balli and get them down (or an AC ‘til they will be nerfed) – if that isn’t possible, get a cata or treb and knock the walls down. You’ll still have the problem of too many ACs in the tower, so you ask a friendly mesmer to port you into the tower and destroy all acs you can find so the rest of your zerg can follow safely. If there’s no mesmer around tell your zerg to dodge twice to the stairs, empower, group aegis, kill the ACs.
Not saying ACs don’t do too much damage, although I really don’t think so, but you might be right, but there’s always the defending side and also ways around ACs.
Were you around this game when the damage by ACs was buffed? Ever since then, ACs have been a big discourager of fights.
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Were you around this game when the damage by ACs was buffed? Ever since then, ACs have been a big discourager of fights.
Do I need to know how subpar the damage of ACs was to judge how the now buffed damage of ACs is? I don’t think so. I know that one AC alone can’t kill anyone, I think even 2 usual ACs can’t kill anyone, but I’m not sure – 1 sup and one usual or 2 sup can kill, yes – but once upon a time we found our ways around it.
Edit: And like I said before: Always remember that there’s not only attackers but also defenders who are likely in the minority. So give them a chance to defend, golems made it hard enough.
Were you around this game when the damage by ACs was buffed? Ever since then, ACs have been a big discourager of fights.
Do I need to know how subpar the damage of ACs was to judge how the now buffed damage of ACs is? I don’t think so. I know that one AC alone can’t kill anyone, I think even 2 usual ACs can’t kill anyone, but I’m not sure – 1 sup and one usual or 2 sup can kill, yes – but once upon a time we found our ways around it.
Edit: And like I said before: Always remember that there’s not only attackers but also defenders who are likely in the minority. So give them a chance to defend, golems made it hard enough.
If you’ve never killed someone with a sup ac then you haven’t hopped on one while running a condi build. If you want to see something really funny run as a condi ranger and drop a sun spirit before jumping on.
If you’ve never killed someone with a sup ac then you haven’t hopped on one while running a condi build. If you want to see something really funny run as a condi ranger and drop a sun spirit before jumping on.
True, I noticed the damage was boosted when I was on my condi thief but that has indeed been a year ago, and back then we weren’t that sure about condi making a difference.
If you’ve never killed someone with a sup ac then you haven’t hopped on one while running a condi build. If you want to see something really funny run as a condi ranger and drop a sun spirit before jumping on.
True, I noticed the damage was boosted when I was on my condi thief but that has indeed been a year ago, and back then we weren’t that sure about condi making a difference.
They definitely do. Being able to add burning to siege is super broken, I’m pretty sure thieves can add venoms as well but I haven’t tried it.
You’ll still have the problem of too many ACs in the tower, so you ask a friendly mesmer to port you into the tower and destroy all acs you can find so the rest of your zerg can follow safely
because we all know the almighty mesmers don’t take damage from arrowcarts, so they can travel through the fire of 6 superior arrowcarts and drop the portal
it’s all so easy for you “defender” guys… “arrowcarts are not a problem” they sure are not a problem if you are the one sitting on them… they become a problem when you are on the other side, tho…
You’ll still have the problem of too many ACs in the tower, so you ask a friendly mesmer to port you into the tower and destroy all acs you can find so the rest of your zerg can follow safely
because we all know the almighty mesmers don’t take damage from arrowcarts, so they can travel through the fire of 6 superior arrowcarts and drop the portal
it’s all so easy for you “defender” guys… “arrowcarts are not a problem” they sure are not a problem if you are the one sitting on them… they become a problem when you are on the other side, tho…
get a ele group and necros on that portal and aoe the walls, everything gets cleared, take portal back, be just shure to have a treb with cows or bali to cover that group.
Since AOE circle on ele is larger on some skill, it will cover the wall from the outside to the inside, will melt everything in there, even with some LoS trick u almost can cast towards the back of the wall in front of u and clean the siege(and players wuith a good aoe spike) that is built further on that wall.
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But since all towers and castles were build in valleys “clever Anet” build siege on those hills and clear that wall, overall it is to easy to wipe walls, we got plenty of mechanics to make it easy, since it is a very casual game meant to not hold for that long.
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get a ele group and necros on that portal and aoe the walls, everything gets cleared, take portal back, be just shure to have a treb with cows or bali to cover that group.
Since AOE circle on ele is larger on some skill, it will cover the wall from the outside to the inside, will melt everything in there, even with some LoS trick u almost can cast towards the back of the wall in front of u and clean the siege(and players wuith a good aoe spike) that is built further on that wall.
<sorry about bad english^^>
But since all towers and castles were build in valleys “clever Anet” build siege on those hills and clear that wall, overall it is to easy to wipe walls, we got plenty of mechanics to make it easy, since it is a very casual game meant to not hold for that long.
hum, wait test to be sure…. I’m always able to use defensive siege from other side of the wall…. I think that it’s the same for offensive ac’s…. I didn’t test for offensive siege atm
Please consider nerfing all siege damage to players while you are at it. I think we can all understand siege v structure or siege v siege but the damage cannons, acs, ballistas, and mortars do to players is ruining good PvP and players ability to counter siege with skills. Especially consider nerfing the condis of these siege items like dat insane mortar burn and cannon chill.
Let me think when someone died to my sup AC the last time….
Never, I guess.
They might die if there’s 2 ACs though, but the times I’m with someone in a tower are really rare.
Solution to too many ACs – get either a balli and get them down (or an AC ‘til they will be nerfed) – if that isn’t possible, get a cata or treb and knock the walls down. You’ll still have the problem of too many ACs in the tower, so you ask a friendly mesmer to port you into the tower and destroy all acs you can find so the rest of your zerg can follow safely. If there’s no mesmer around tell your zerg to dodge twice to the stairs, empower, group aegis, kill the ACs.
Not saying ACs don’t do too much damage, although I really don’t think so, but you might be right, but there’s always the defending side and also ways around ACs.
Actually think I have a video. There were actually two arrow carts but one got arrow carted down.
It was cascading failure. One guy got downed, people tried to rez, they got downed. Not that I am complaining, I was on said arrow cart. Kruegs actually was on the other. Will look for video when I get home.
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Fixed a bug that allowed Superior Arrow Cart and Guild Arrow Cart skills to ignore line-of-sight checks.
This was in todays patch notes, however, superior acs still have no restriction to los checks. Can fire over walls they shouldn’t be able to on both allied/enemy keeps and towers.
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Fixed a bug that allowed Superior Arrow Cart and Guild Arrow Cart skills to ignore line-of-sight checks.
This was in todays patch notes, however, superior acs still have no restriction to los checks. Can fire over walls they shouldn’t be able to on both allied/enemy keeps and towers.
Is that only Superiors? If not, then I think the bug fix was for an exploit, not FoV camera targetting.
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The change I mentioned previously is multi-part. The change that makes all arrow carts use line-of-sight did indeed go out today, but the second part about the arrow cart line-of-sight checks being too forgiving was not part of today’s build. The changes to the way arrow cart line-of-sight is calculated is set for an upcoming patch.
Thx ! I have little hope then
Any news about dragon tooth who allow to hit someone without LOS ?
Or about the possibility to place more than 5 siege on the same spot ? (see 20 guild cata last night).
Btw thx for your work on the AC’s, hope to see this patch soon.
They seem to be extremely too forgiving, as I kind of see no real difference with this patch, still inner cannon gets easily bombed by AC hugging outside wall https://youtu.be/-u-rILGY_wE
He said that their line of sight calculations are too forgiving. What they did today is that they use line of sight. In another patch, they’ll restrict that line of sight so it doesn’t fire at stuff that it shouldn’t be able to.
The change I mentioned previously is multi-part. The change that makes all arrow carts use line-of-sight did indeed go out today, but the second part about the arrow cart line-of-sight checks being too forgiving was not part of today’s build. The changes to the way arrow cart line-of-sight is calculated is set for an upcoming patch.
Thanks for the update and help, many of us appreciate the effort.
Id like to ask about the other part of todays update, regarding killing players in spaces they are not allowed to be, does that include spawn sites because that would be doubly great.
And cant wait to get the rest of the ac update, please dont take to long
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