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Posted by: Warlord.9074

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For the 1st time in your life anet pls do not cave to casuals or players that don’t even care about wvw to lower the Reqs for armor etc.

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Posted by: Novahh.7426

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I second this lol

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Posted by: Conner.4702

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It’s very nice for all you K-trainers or Eotm abusers, but for scouts or non-zerglings it is far from ok.

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Posted by: Novahh.7426

Novahh.7426

I’ve scouted plenty of my WvW years, idk how you can’t be 1-2k by now. Must be the casual play

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Posted by: neven.3785

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people seem to be equating scouting with afking in keeps. leave the walls and do soemthing, and suprise! you get ranks.

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Posted by: kdaddy.5431

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It’s very nice for all you K-trainers or Eotm abusers, but for scouts or non-zerglings it is far from ok.

cant zerg poor internet.

Havent played much WvW since HOT.

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I dont see how people are crying so much, heck let me start one. Anet i want Xp for all those years i played WvW and got no levels!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Tongku.5326

Tongku.5326

For the 1st time in your life anet pls do not cave to casuals or players that don’t even care about wvw to lower the Reqs for armor etc.

I feel kinda the same, but I do think its a bit harsh for players that have been around for a little while. They haven’t started early enough and are now kinda “stuck in limbo” of rank farming.

I think one solution would be to enable WXP on birthday boosters as well as a bit more WXP gain on the boosters that do affect it. Perhaps enable a Heroic Booster purchase via WVW badges + hero thingies ?

This way the players that have been around for a while but not since beginning can catch up a little faster while others will still go through reasonable progression.

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Posted by: Zalavaaris.5329

Zalavaaris.5329

The reason people haven’t been excited to play since day one is the weak reward system! Now that there are cool rewards people are saying that they should only be available to people who have been playing for YEARS. Ok…. so if there are no cool new rewards then the people who felt it wasn’t a rewarding use of their time to WvW will feel the same way and the game mode will stay dead. But at least you get some shiny particle effects on your non-legendary armor while the mode is dying. Makes sense to me.

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Posted by: usnedward.9023

usnedward.9023

If it is ascended armor you seek…there are other ways. If it is the tier 3 WvW you seek…welp…you gotta obey the rules says this 240ish casual player. I have no issues for those that beat their head against the wall for 2…3 or even 4 years to be rewarded.

I’ll get there sooner or later

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Posted by: Lauri.1342

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I have scoutet and roamed and I have 1.6k by now. 2k is ok

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Posted by: RodOfDeath.5247

RodOfDeath.5247

With the OP, don’t give in anet. You did it right.

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Posted by: Zalavaaris.5329

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You know what, I concede and now agree with you OP. Anet should probably not cave. I guess I think about rewards as something that anyone can reasonable strive for within a reasonable amount of time. What they made was not a reward for good play. They made a log-in reward for people who chose WvW as their primary game mode and thus felt neglected for years. In reality, there is no reason to be upset about not being able to get the armor if you’re a primarily PVE player. The armor doesn’t look as good as legendary armor, it has NO extra utility like legendary armor, and has no skill barrier like legendary armor does. After reading some more posts and considering it more I can say that I agree that people who haven’t gotten anything cool from WvW for years deserve to have at least something slightly unique to show for it. The good thing is that the legendary back piece is very reasonable to get for anyone who wants to set a goal to attain it. Fully support the cause!

EDIT: I do however feel for the roamers and scouts who haven’t broken 2k yet but still choose to spend the majority of their play time in WvW. That really sucks for you guys and I sympathize. I hope they address it so you can somehow get what you deserve as well.

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Posted by: neven.3785

neven.3785

just from the mats i recieved alone (and not all of them) i have gone up 70 gold since patch hit, in roughly 20 hours of gameplay. On top of that i have materials i will be using to craft items. All while playing the game mode i like, meaning i dont need to leave to farm items. My wife had better luck in her rewards and is sitting at around 110 gold in 15 hours of wvw. This system is rewarding regardless of whatever amount of skins we will be working towards. Keep in mind we have not sold our memories of battle, so the possible gold intake is even higher for those who have zero interest in the long term rewards.

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Posted by: SnowHawk.3615

SnowHawk.3615

I agree to this.
Casuals need to git gud

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Posted by: Kir Sakar.3647

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For the 1st time in your life anet pls do not cave to casuals or players that don’t even care about wvw to lower the Reqs for armor etc.

I feel kinda the same, but I do think its a bit harsh for players that have been around for a little while. They haven’t started early enough and are now kinda “stuck in limbo” of rank farming.

I really don’t see the problem. I got into WvW around 6 months ago and gradually started to spend more and more of my time there (half zerg, half roaming at quiet hours). I am rank 225 and I play the WvW because I like it.

Now I get more rewards – great! The commanders and all the veterans that I have learned and still learn how-to-WvW from get some more rewards – I am very happy for them, they deserve it for their engagement!

I don’t what it is with some people that they always have to focus on the tiniest possibility of being treated unfairly. Sure, there may be a few players that have farmed ranks in EotM. So what? It is boring as kitten (presumably, I have never set a foot in there). And most importantly, it does not take away any reward from me.

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Posted by: Celsith.2753

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For the 1st time in your life anet pls do not cave to casuals or players that don’t even care about wvw to lower the Reqs for armor etc.

I’d like them to go further and increase the amount of tickets you can get per week or get rid of the cap entirely. At the moment you get rewarded extra pips for being high rank and having played alot, which means you hit ticket cap faster and the rest of the week is unrewarded. Whats the sense in rewarding long time play with hitting cap and not having to wvw? Thats not a reward or perk.

I dont see why exotic or ascended gear should be time gated by months.

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Posted by: Nocturnal Lunacy.8563

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Nah anet lower the requirements for everything. Get them pvers out of wvw. They are ruining it. Real wvw players are leaving and when the pvers get the new shiny thing they will leave too and wvw will be dead. Gotta have the latest greatest am i right? Lower the requirements and destroy your own game even more. thank you

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Posted by: Jumpin Lumpix.6108

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For the 1st time in your life anet pls do not cave to casuals or players that don’t even care about wvw to lower the Reqs for armor etc.

Why do u care? The way it is now it dissuades people from playing, is that what you want?

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Posted by: Jumpin Lumpix.6108

Jumpin Lumpix.6108

I agree to this.
Casuals need to git gud

Tell me how auto attacking doors and standing in circle for 2000 hours = skill? That’s the most efficient way to rank up so.

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Posted by: redwing.9580

redwing.9580

For the 1st time in your life anet pls do not cave to casuals or players that don’t even care about wvw to lower the Reqs for armor etc.

even as a experinced player I say they are to high, I’m ~rank 1-2k and even after playing all day on patch day I only got to silver chest. the current system why its great for people that have played for ages doesn’t support new players joining the game type and in the future will only speed up the population imbalanc once vet players get tried of it and leave.

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Posted by: Coldtart.4785

Coldtart.4785

World ranks are a pve system. They shouldn’t even exist in the first place.

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Posted by: littlemunster.1059

littlemunster.1059

Don’t lower the requirements. Just double or triple the XP and rewards. If not, you’re neglecting your new player base and destroyed any potential chance of selling anymore copies of the game. Who will buy a game to do grind fest for 2 years so they can get a WvW skin?

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Posted by: littlemunster.1059

littlemunster.1059

I agree to this.
Casuals need to git gud

at what? ktraining? you and many early birds got the advantage with eotm and pvd. not good for the future but to those who took advantage of anet’s oversight.

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Posted by: Asur.9178

Asur.9178

It’s very nice for all you K-trainers or Eotm abusers, but for scouts or non-zerglings it is far from ok.

It applies to new players, and those players stuck on lower tier and lower population servers as well. The requirement isn’t even skill based as magnetite shards for example are.

This is as bad as the AP grind…actually it’s worse cause at least AP grind makes you do different things. This is just plain monotone grind.

It’s actually upsetting to see the elitism from players like OP, who more than likely abused EotM farm before the nerf, and chooses to be ignorant about a poor implementation because of it.

I’m personally sitting at a bit over 3k rank myself; but, I’m not shameless enough to pretend I did not grind EotM for a month or so before it was nerfed.

I still say 1k is the perfect number. At that point you have maxed everything and it can serve as an end reward. 1k rank is also something that takes more than just some casual play to achieve, but at the same time is not completely unreasonable either. It is also a mark that veteran players roaming, new players, and players on underpopulated servers can work towards without signing their lives away.

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Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

It’s very nice for all you K-trainers or Eotm abusers, but for scouts or non-zerglings it is far from ok.

I am rank 2956. 90% of my gameplay is solo or small group roaming; very little EOTM play. This armor is not out of your reach if you have regularly played WvW.

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Posted by: Akashi.3245

Akashi.3245

I agree to this.
Casuals need to git gud

Tell me how auto attacking doors and standing in circle for 2000 hours = skill? That’s the most efficient way to rank up so.

What do you know about wvw in the 1st place? you have an average or just over an hr per week since release in wvw. 20 mins per day if you do the math from your other post, just enough to get dailies. if thats all you do in wvw then you SHOULDNT be able to obtain it.

i got 10 ranks playing last night with my guild for 2-3 hrs without boosters. if i done that for 30 days (which will happen) i would exceed your current wvw rank. 2000 is obtainable for people who actually play the game mode and it doesn’t feel like a grind because its not, we actually play the game mode.

if you spend 1 hr a week in wvw WHY DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ENTITLED TO SOMETHING THAT IS MEANT TO BE PRESTIGIOUS. you should be thankfull you can atleast craft the legendary backpiece… you only need 350.

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Posted by: Jumpin Lumpix.6108

Jumpin Lumpix.6108

I agree to this.
Casuals need to git gud

Tell me how auto attacking doors and standing in circle for 2000 hours = skill? That’s the most efficient way to rank up so.

What do you know about wvw in the 1st place? you have an average or just over an hr per week since release in wvw. 20 mins per day if you do the math from your other post, just enough to get dailies. if thats all you do in wvw then you SHOULDNT be able to obtain it.

i got 10 ranks playing last night with my guild for 2-3 hrs without boosters. if i done that for 30 days (which will happen) i would exceed your current wvw rank. 2000 is obtainable for people who actually play the game mode and it doesn’t feel like a grind because its not, we actually play the game mode.

if you spend 1 hr a week in wvw WHY DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ENTITLED TO SOMETHING THAT IS MEANT TO BE PRESTIGIOUS. you should be thankfull you can atleast craft the legendary backpiece… you only need 350.

I have a lot more wvw experience then you think, at least 400+ hrs in wvw, including 3 dedicated characters in full ascended w/meta builds for nothing but wvw. Ive played in all the tournaments, and I also play all other game modes of gw2. I am not looking for a hand out I would gladly work towards any reward within reason. aside from that I’d like to you to address this then from my other post.

here’s the real issue,

obtaining:
full legendary armor from raids – 3-6 months
legendary fractal back piece – 3-6 months
legendary spvp back piece – 3-6 months
legendary wvw back piece – 3-6 months
crafting any legendary without a credit card – 3 months – 1 year
getting t3 armor from wvw = 1 1/2 – 2 years

please a-net even out the discrepancy.

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Posted by: Deli.1302

Deli.1302

It’s very nice for all you K-trainers or Eotm abusers, but for scouts or non-zerglings it is far from ok.

Weak argument. There are diamond legends who do nothing but roaming. The difference is that those people invested more time in WvW and that’s the whole point of this reward system; to reward those who dedicate themselves to WvW.

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Posted by: Conner.4702

Conner.4702

It’s very nice for all you K-trainers or Eotm abusers, but for scouts or non-zerglings it is far from ok.

Weak argument. There are diamond legends who do nothing but roaming. The difference is that those people invested more time in WvW and that’s the whole point of this reward system; to reward those who dedicate themselves to WvW.

No a weak argument is using tag everything but not contribute to the actual capping as proof that it is fine.

People have sat in towers for hours to make sure it got upgraded before automatic upgrades. Not much wxp to be gotten that way.

Just because you aren’t affected does not make it good

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Posted by: Lionwait.4815

Lionwait.4815

Dont cave in Anet! I 3rd this!

I dont know why people are complaining about rank when by the time to get the claim tickets you’ll be 2k rank. hehe

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Posted by: Akashi.3245

Akashi.3245

I agree to this.
Casuals need to git gud

Tell me how auto attacking doors and standing in circle for 2000 hours = skill? That’s the most efficient way to rank up so.

What do you know about wvw in the 1st place? you have an average or just over an hr per week since release in wvw. 20 mins per day if you do the math from your other post, just enough to get dailies. if thats all you do in wvw then you SHOULDNT be able to obtain it.

i got 10 ranks playing last night with my guild for 2-3 hrs without boosters. if i done that for 30 days (which will happen) i would exceed your current wvw rank. 2000 is obtainable for people who actually play the game mode and it doesn’t feel like a grind because its not, we actually play the game mode.

if you spend 1 hr a week in wvw WHY DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ENTITLED TO SOMETHING THAT IS MEANT TO BE PRESTIGIOUS. you should be thankfull you can atleast craft the legendary backpiece… you only need 350.

I have a lot more wvw experience then you think, at least 400+ hrs in wvw, including 3 dedicated characters in full ascended w/meta builds for nothing but wvw. Ive played in all the tournaments, and I also play all other game modes of gw2. I am not looking for a hand out I would gladly work towards any reward within reason. aside from that I’d like to you to address this then from my other post.

here’s the real issue,

obtaining:
full legendary armor from raids – 3-6 months
legendary fractal back piece – 3-6 months
legendary spvp back piece – 3-6 months
legendary wvw back piece – 3-6 months
crafting any legendary without a credit card – 3 months – 1 year
getting t3 armor from wvw = 1 1/2 – 2 years

please a-net even out the discrepancy.

No i wont. you are only in it for the rewards, exagerating the wvw rank gain and comparing a single piece of ascended armor to legendaries. maybe you should have played wvw.

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Posted by: DemonSeed.3528

DemonSeed.3528

Anet, don’t change it. Let those serious about wvw commit themselves. It’s not about the shinies anyway. Let’s not make it just about those things. Lowering it won’t change anything if they are going to leave after getting it. Leave it as is.

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Posted by: Zephyra.4709

Zephyra.4709

I 4th this. Don’t give in ANet.

EDIT: if anything, rewards for SOLO + SMALL-scale scout/roam need to be adjusted for so called “only 1k rankers” who do as such. That one guy who successfully scouted on an outnumbered garri repping inner until help arrives deserves so much more. Little things like that can mean a save or flipped keep and many people seem to forget “that one guy” who held the fort.

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Posted by: anduriell.6280

anduriell.6280

Althought i agree not to lower the requirements of the pieces i also recognice there is a problem with the lack of rewards after diamond. I’m in middle platinum already and i only can spend the evenings in WvW.

If i get a weekend i’m pretty sure i’ll hit the cap by monday. We need keep getting tickets or in a form of reseting the pips to bronce or getting 5-10 tickets each diamond chest.

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Posted by: Zephyra.4709

Zephyra.4709

Althought i agree not to lower the requirements of the pieces i also recognice there is a problem with the lack of rewards after diamond. I’m in middle platinum already and i only can spend the evenings in WvW.

If i get a weekend i’m pretty sure i’ll hit the cap by monday. We need keep getting tickets or in a form of reseting the pips to bronce or getting 5-10 tickets each diamond chest.

Is the last chest repeatable? Would be nice, haven’t got time to play only internet is at work on laptop hehe.

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Posted by: XTR.9604

XTR.9604

Yep, one issue I hope they stand their ground on. The PvE players who have now invaded WvW for rewards have had nothing but rewards and constant content for nearly 5 years while the only new thing WvW got was a map no one likes and reward tracks after 3 years of asking for WvW to give us some kind of rewards.

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Posted by: Zalavaaris.5329

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Yep, one issue I hope they stand their ground on. The PvE players who have now invaded WvW for rewards have had nothing but rewards and constant content for nearly 5 years while the only new thing WvW got was a map no one likes and reward tracks after 3 years of asking for WvW to give us some kind of rewards.

That content was also available to you btw. And the best part? It didn’t require you to spend all 5 years there to get it!

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Posted by: Asur.9178

Asur.9178

Yep, one issue I hope they stand their ground on. The PvE players who have now invaded WvW for rewards have had nothing but rewards and constant content for nearly 5 years while the only new thing WvW got was a map no one likes and reward tracks after 3 years of asking for WvW to give us some kind of rewards.

Here’s the thing you forget about those “PvE” players and their content. You’re not locked out of any of it, even though you make it sound like you are. In fact, you can easily make progress towards ALL their content without leaving WvW, with the exception of HoT legendaries and raids. None of their content requires you ~2 years of constant grinding of the same repetitive content. They are already forced into your content to make their precious legendaries and more.

You also fail to account for new players who are trying to get into the game. Do you think these players will think well of the game when they see the JRPG grind involved for something they want? No, they won’t. There’s a reason why Aion failed extremely hard when it was initially released within the first few months. JRPG grind is not fun.

Your logic behind why a horrifically thought out requirement shouldn’t be changed is pathetic and riddled with personal grudge at best. If you really cared about the game and the game mode, you’d want it to be more inviting of other players – not drive people away.

Also, can we stop with the segregation? WvW rank is essentially PvE. Majority, if not ALL, of the people sitting at extremely high rank abused EotM k-trains before it was nerfed. I’m also willing to bet that majority, if not ALL, of the players tooting their horns with illogical grudge filled reasoning (I spent so and so number of years playing, so it’s fine) are all from higher tier servers, or spent server hopping in the past to those higher tiers. People at underpopulated and lower tier servers have a MUCH harder time gaining ranks…and if you think they don’t, then you’re fooling yourself.

ANet’s mistake in this case was they made the decision based on the players’ state in higher tiers. They failed to account for new players and those in lower and underpopulated tiers when they came up with the requirements. It is infinitely easier for players in higher tiers to meet the requirements compared to others, unlike in “PvE” or raids. There are far too many external factors that hinder your progress. Personal skill plays an extremely minimal role in your progress.

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Posted by: DemonSeed.3528

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If they are interested in the game mode then shinies would be secondary to it, not the defining reason why they are there.

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Posted by: Asur.9178

Asur.9178

If they are interested in the game mode then shinies would be secondary to it, not the defining reason why they are there.

Yes, because that’s exactly how people’s mind works. /s

At this point, I’m getting the impression that the ones acting so high and mighty, and being willfully ignorant don’t actually care about the state of “their game mode”. They are simply filled with unnecessary grudge (this is actually worse than sPvP). This has also been becoming far more evident from map/team/squad chats in WvW since the patch.

Every single logical argument is presented with the same 2 counter points (which are filled with errors and grudge), with literally no consideration of what is actually brought up: I played for so and so years before the patch, therefore I deserve rewards and you don’t unless you play so and so years…or…people don’t need an incentive to play and start liking a game mode.

Well, you can continue on being willfully ignorant, but you’ll only be killing “your game mode”. I must thank ANet for the great job they did by stirring up a kitten storm with their effort to improve “your game mode”, that you don’t actually seem to care for – people like you, being willfully ignorant seems to only care about themselves. Well, I’m sure you’ll enjoy your dead game mode soon enough.

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Posted by: Deli.1302

Deli.1302

People have sat in towers for hours to make sure it got upgraded before automatic upgrades. Not much wxp to be gotten that way.

I’m one of these people. I’ve got 4k. I don’t just sit in the tower for hours. I actually do things while I scout like flip camps, sentries, escort yaks and kill roamers that are nearby. Maybe you should to.

Just because you aren’t affected does not make it good

And just because you are doesn’t make it bad.

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Posted by: DemonSeed.3528

DemonSeed.3528

Yes, because that’s exactly how people’s mind works. /s

At this point, I’m getting the impression that the ones acting so high and mighty, and being willfully ignorant don’t actually care about the state of “their game mode”. They are simply filled with unnecessary grudge (this is actually worse than sPvP). This has also been becoming far more evident from map/team/squad chats in WvW since the patch.

Every single logical argument is presented with the same 2 counter points (which are filled with errors and grudge), with literally no consideration of what is actually brought up: I played for so and so years before the patch, therefore I deserve rewards and you don’t unless you play so and so years…or…people don’t need an incentive to play and start liking a game mode.

Well, you can continue on being willfully ignorant, but you’ll only be killing “your game mode”. I must thank ANet for the great job they did by stirring up a kitten storm with their effort to improve “your game mode”, that you don’t actually seem to care for – people like you, being willfully ignorant seems to only care about themselves. Well, I’m sure you’ll enjoy your dead game mode soon enough.

I’m not trying to be ignorant. In fact if trying to encourage and teach people in game that are new to wvw and how to enjoy it is being ignorant, then that I am. Sorry but I am not one of these “high and mighty”,“willfully ignorant”, “filled with unecessary grudge” that you speak of. The incentive to play and start liking wvw has never been about rewards (just look how long it took for them to even be implemented), but to say that the new update hasn’t done that… now THAT is ignorance.

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Posted by: Offair.2563

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If they are interested in the game mode then shinies would be secondary to it, not the defining reason why they are there.

^^^^

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Posted by: TenthLife.5724

TenthLife.5724

Been a home border defense player and roamer almost all the time I spent in wvw, getting up to 3400+ rank now and honestly have no idea how you can’t earn ranks.
Must be an immense afk/standing around dancing and whatnot or just be super casual about the whole thing. It’s not like you just stand around in one spot when scouting, then you’re doing it wrong. ;-)

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Posted by: XTR.9604

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That content was also available to you btw. And the best part? It didn’t require you to spend all 5 years there to get it!

Here’s the thing you forget about those “PvE” players and their content. You’re not locked out of any of it, even though you make it sound like you are. In fact, you can easily make progress towards ALL their content without leaving WvW, with the exception of HoT legendaries and raids. None of their content requires you ~2 years of constant grinding of the same repetitive content. They are already forced into your content to make their precious legendaries and more.

You also fail to account for new players who are trying to get into the game. Do you think these players will think well of the game when they see the JRPG grind involved for something they want? No, they won’t. There’s a reason why Aion failed extremely hard when it was initially released within the first few months. JRPG grind is not fun.

Your logic behind why a horrifically thought out requirement shouldn’t be changed is pathetic and riddled with personal grudge at best. If you really cared about the game and the game mode, you’d want it to be more inviting of other players – not drive people away.

Also, can we stop with the segregation? WvW rank is essentially PvE. Majority, if not ALL, of the people sitting at extremely high rank abused EotM k-trains before it was nerfed. I’m also willing to bet that majority, if not ALL, of the players tooting their horns with illogical grudge filled reasoning (I spent so and so number of years playing, so it’s fine) are all from higher tier servers, or spent server hopping in the past to those higher tiers. People at underpopulated and lower tier servers have a MUCH harder time gaining ranks…and if you think they don’t, then you’re fooling yourself.

ANet’s mistake in this case was they made the decision based on the players’ state in higher tiers. They failed to account for new players and those in lower and underpopulated tiers when they came up with the requirements. It is infinitely easier for players in higher tiers to meet the requirements compared to others, unlike in “PvE” or raids. There are far too many external factors that hinder your progress. Personal skill plays an extremely minimal role in your progress.

Let me clarify for you. Those of us WvW players that enjoy fighting other players, not PvE were forced to participate in PvE in order to get things like legendaries, ascended armor, selectable stat ascended trinkets, etc. I don’t know too many WvW players like myself that want to do PvE ever. WvW players never had an option in OUR game mode to farm these things besides the trinkets, we’ve always had to go out of our element to the grindy boring PvE land.

Some people enjoy all aspects of the game and that is cool, but to many WvW players like myself, doing PvE is a chore and there is nothing fun about it. It is a time sink of unenjoyable repetitive boringness for me and I have never enjoyed a single moment spent in PvE in this game.

- I had to do PvE to get living story to unlock the WvW reward tracks for my ascended selectable stat trinkets.
- I had to do PvE in Fractals to get my rings and back piece infused and rings attuned.
- I had to do PvE in Fractals to obtain ascended armor and my back piece.
- I had to do PvE to get map completion to be able to make my legendary weapon.
- I had to do PvE to get dungeon tokens for making my legendary weapons.
- I had to do PvE to get my elite specs done on all of my characters when HoT launched.

I’m sure I’m forgetting some things. And what have you been forced in to my game mode (WvW) to do? One reward track for gift of battle. ONE REWARD TRACK since the beginning of the game… And the PvE players complained their little hearts out about having to spend a few days in WvW to complete it. Us WvW players haven’t had a choice but to play the game mode you enjoy and we don’t, so enjoy getting that treatment back. I really don’t feel bad for you.

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Posted by: Jayne.9251

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Here’s the thing: If Anet caves and reduces the time/requirements for the reward, then it gets gobbled up in an instant and then on to the next big thing.

If there’s no next big thing until the expansion; then there’s nothing to compel a player to stay in the game (and consequentially spend money).

For those of us who have played MMOs for any significant period of time, think back to your fondest gaming memories. Weren’t they the ones fraught with frustration and effort and then finally victory?

The things you got too easily were soon forgotten.

If you don’t need the new shiny to effectively play, then it’s really down to choice — invest the time, or don’t.

L’enfer, c’est les autres

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Posted by: XTR.9604

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Also, can we stop with the segregation? WvW rank is essentially PvE. Majority, if not ALL, of the people sitting at extremely high rank abused EotM k-trains before it was nerfed. I’m also willing to bet that majority, if not ALL, of the players tooting their horns with illogical grudge filled reasoning (I spent so and so number of years playing, so it’s fine) are all from higher tier servers, or spent server hopping in the past to those higher tiers. People at underpopulated and lower tier servers have a MUCH harder time gaining ranks…and if you think they don’t, then you’re fooling yourself.

WvW rank is not essentially PvE lol… The time I spent with the more skilled WvW groups that no longer exist got me a lot of ranks from kills. Not from PvE taking camps. Also keep in mind that EOTM didn’t even exist yet until I was rank 2800 personally. I’m now around 3600 with around 5000 hours in WvW, primarily roaming and for about a year there I was playing primarily with GvG guilds.

Also, I spent my WvW time hopping servers. I’ve been everywhere from the #1 server to the dead last server and back to several of them several times. Another thing you PvE players don’t have to worry about, paying for server transfers in a game mode that doesn’t make you any money lol.. People can rank up easily no matter the server they’re in. You get more WXP killing players generally if you’re doing it on a large scale, but you can get plenty of WXP by taking sentries, camps, towers, and keeps.

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Posted by: slashlizardy.9167

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I really don’t see the problem. I got into WvW around 6 months ago and gradually started to spend more and more of my time there (half zerg, half roaming at quiet hours). I am rank 225 and I play the WvW because I like it.

Now I get more rewards – great! The commanders and all the veterans that I have learned and still learn how-to-WvW from get some more rewards – I am very happy for them, they deserve it for their engagement!

I don’t what it is with some people that they always have to focus on the tiniest possibility of being treated unfairly. Sure, there may be a few players that have farmed ranks in EotM. So what? It is boring as kitten (presumably, I have never set a foot in there). And most importantly, it does not take away any reward from me.

This has been my experience too, I don’t feel like I have to have all the shinies right now, I am happy to keep playing and earn my time. I have been on a low tier server so did not earn tremendous ranks in WvW, and I hope that with the influx of new players we will be unlinked again and still have viable numbers.

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Posted by: Eypheha.5831

Eypheha.5831

Stay strong Anet. Made 12 ranks yesterday playing about 3 – 4 hours. Good Cmdr who ran our legs off and got places fast…took stuff, a few good fights. If you’re complaining about the rank requirement for the armor, all you’re interested in is the reward and not WvW…maybe you should re-think WHY you’re even here.

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Posted by: PabbyGaul.9682

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If they are interested in the game mode then shinies would be secondary to it, not the defining reason why they are there.

Yes, because that’s exactly how people’s mind works. /s

At this point, I’m getting the impression that the ones acting so high and mighty, and being willfully ignorant don’t actually care about the state of “their game mode”. They are simply filled with unnecessary grudge (this is actually worse than sPvP). This has also been becoming far more evident from map/team/squad chats in WvW since the patch.

Every single logical argument is presented with the same 2 counter points (which are filled with errors and grudge), with literally no consideration of what is actually brought up: I played for so and so years before the patch, therefore I deserve rewards and you don’t unless you play so and so years…or…people don’t need an incentive to play and start liking a game mode.

Well, you can continue on being willfully ignorant, but you’ll only be killing “your game mode”. I must thank ANet for the great job they did by stirring up a kitten storm with their effort to improve “your game mode”, that you don’t actually seem to care for – people like you, being willfully ignorant seems to only care about themselves. Well, I’m sure you’ll enjoy your dead game mode soon enough.

PvE’ers pve forbthe rewards..All about them rewards and it kills them they cant get it.

WvW’ers dont wvw for rewards. All about that satisfaction that comes with a hard fought battle and kittench teamwork.

Just 2 different mentalities. Its one little little thing …one little thing rank gated is not going to break the game mode. I dont post much but I dont want the squeaky wheels to get all the grease. If they dont cave most of the pve’ers will get frustrated and leave due to the “play =shinies” memtality and those that learn to enjoy wvw might learn why wvw’ers have continued to play for 5 yrs on the same maps. Maybe they learn how zergs actually function…maybe one day they will realize why their “mindless” zerg was so effective when they discover what the acronym TS stands for…