Guild Wars 2

Forzani.2584:

Cactus.2710:

Forzani.2584:

gwfanboy.2496:

SoLeciTO.3490:

If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.

These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.

Warrio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiXhgsfoL6c

Mesmer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54UCCEinT5o

Engi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zy5cANG4Hk

Guardian:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw6bMD5z6bM

Necro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfGdT896JZ8

Ranger:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCBjuXKbqQM

Also here is a link of a thread talking of wich profession is the most hard to play against.

Is funny how Sanduskel and Burnfall are basically the only ones again attacking the profession.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Strongest-1-vs-1-class

I invite you to use the time you expend here in the forums learning the mechanics and improve your game play instead.

Sorry for my bad english i try my best.

That’s because the non thief pvpers who want some balanced pvp were ignored since launch so they ditched the game.

Have you noticed a significant decline in pvp skill level in spvp and wvw recently? Yea..

That’s what happens when you ignore your customers’ valid complaints. Favor a minority of people who are after the next fotm and you lose the majority. Brilliant tactic.

100% true. The WvW chat channel is always filled with people complaining about Thieves. No other class produces the amount of frustration and anger to the player base. Most bit the bullet thinking that Anet would make some much needed adjustments. They haven’t, so I agree it has forced people out of WvW …or into zerg blobs only.

The majority of those chat comments (as well as half the comments on these forums) are about how annoying thieves are because they can’t be seen and they can be so evasive, not because they got killed by one. Burst thieves are indeed powerful 1v1, but thieves in general pretty much suck in a group battle as countless posts here have also pointed out. *Situational disparity exists in almost every game … it’s what makes you actually have to think. Try it.

Annoying does not equal overpowered or broken. Read the frigging GW2 thief class description and educate yourself*

You can try and justify it and make excuses. It’s really very simple. People play to have fun. If they have fun, they continue to play. If they don’t have fun, they leave….and what many don’t want to accept. We don’t all lose every fight to thieves. There are 3 common outcomes. 1. Thief wins. 2. Opponent is winning but thief stealths and runs away. 3. Thief makes a mistake and opponent actually wins.

All 3 scenarios are not fun for the non thief. Even after beating a thief I am ready to log off in frustration. It’s not fun.

Maybe you educate yourself and see what every game in existence does when their customer base isn’t having fun. They try and fix it.

LOL. Yeah … because I have so much fun being chain stunned and AoE’d to death in any large fight that I don’t run away from. As I said, every decent game, including this one with all its many warts, involves situational disparity and situational recognition. You may suck against a thief 1v1 but you’ll almost be certain to share his loot bag in a group. There are many, many reasons why I will probably abandon GW2 once a decent alternative comes along, but the fact that I can eat some other class’ lunch in certain situations while that same person/class can eat mine in a different situation is not one of them.

As for the WvW devs fixing anything in this game, good luck with that.

Cactus.2710:

Forzani.2584:

Cactus.2710:

Forzani.2584:

gwfanboy.2496:

SoLeciTO.3490:

If you all want to be objective you must provide numbers or examples to the table.

These are examples of how OP can be any class . . . the people here complaining about thieves has no objective points . . they are just angry because they still do not how to deal with thieves.

Warrio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiXhgsfoL6c

Mesmer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54UCCEinT5o

Engi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zy5cANG4Hk

Guardian:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw6bMD5z6bM

Necro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfGdT896JZ8

Ranger:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCBjuXKbqQM

Also here is a link of a thread talking of wich profession is the most hard to play against.

Is funny how Sanduskel and Burnfall are basically the only ones again attacking the profession.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Strongest-1-vs-1-class

I invite you to use the time you expend here in the forums learning the mechanics and improve your game play instead.

Sorry for my bad english i try my best.

That’s because the non thief pvpers who want some balanced pvp were ignored since launch so they ditched the game.

Have you noticed a significant decline in pvp skill level in spvp and wvw recently? Yea..

That’s what happens when you ignore your customers’ valid complaints. Favor a minority of people who are after the next fotm and you lose the majority. Brilliant tactic.

100% true. The WvW chat channel is always filled with people complaining about Thieves. No other class produces the amount of frustration and anger to the player base. Most bit the bullet thinking that Anet would make some much needed adjustments. They haven’t, so I agree it has forced people out of WvW …or into zerg blobs only.

The majority of those chat comments (as well as half the comments on these forums) are about how annoying thieves are because they can’t be seen and they can be so evasive, not because they got killed by one. Burst thieves are indeed powerful 1v1, but thieves in general pretty much suck in a group battle as countless posts here have also pointed out. *Situational disparity exists in almost every game … it’s what makes you actually have to think. Try it.

Annoying does not equal overpowered or broken. Read the frigging GW2 thief class description and educate yourself*

You can try and justify it and make excuses. It’s really very simple. People play to have fun. If they have fun, they continue to play. If they don’t have fun, they leave….and what many don’t want to accept. We don’t all lose every fight to thieves. There are 3 common outcomes. 1. Thief wins. 2. Opponent is winning but thief stealths and runs away. 3. Thief makes a mistake and opponent actually wins.

All 3 scenarios are not fun for the non thief. Even after beating a thief I am ready to log off in frustration. It’s not fun.

Maybe you educate yourself and see what every game in existence does when their customer base isn’t having fun. They try and fix it.

LOL. Yeah … because I have so much fun being chain stunned and AoE’d to death in any large fight that I don’t run away from. As I said, every decent game, including this one with all its many warts, involves situational disparity and situational recognition. You may suck against a thief 1v1 but you’ll almost be certain to share his loot bag in a group. There are many, many reasons why I will probably abandon GW2 once a decent alternative comes along, but the fact that I can eat some other class’ lunch in certain situations while that same person/class can eat mine in a different situation is not one of them.

As for the WvW devs fixing anything in this game, good luck with that.

I agree that eventually a group will be able to kill me thief. Particularly in tight spaces with them flailing around, I am bound to get hit by a few. That’s why I prefer wvw in wide open terrain.

1. Join a group fight
2. Use your team mates as distractions
3. Stab squishies while they’re pre-occupied with hammer bros
4. Stealth out
5. ???
6. Loot bags

Seriously, how many times do you see a ranger take out multitude of players in wvw?

Almost to NONE

Now let me ask you this, how many times have you seen a thief take out multitude of players in wvw?

ALWAYS

To those who want to jeopardize ranger class being OP in wvw, show me all the threads and Posts about Rangers being OP in wvw?

Seriously, I would LOVE to see them…

by the way, it should be at the same count as the thief, well because, we both are OP in group fights?

Right??

They both are design horribly and need some serious immediate rework.

Of course!! that’s a lie

Because according to __ , they are in Perfect shape; in other word, it’s not worth complaining anymore

It’s obvious,

1 year later; one is born to live forever and one is born to die forever.

I’m sure “it doesn’t take a rocket science” to know which one it is.

-some people actually believe the Earth is flat-

Guardian here with Knight gear and Soldier runes.
I have no issues with thieves 1v1 using mace+shield.

They are bursty, I do feel their damage should be lowered, I had to go full bunker 3450+ armor to survive.

Hickeroar.9734:

On my glass mesmer I have time to aim and blink away every time before they get their backstab off.

Yes and once the thief fails his BS, we all know that he’s dead, right?

Illusions.3108:

I have an armor rating of 2682, and i am getting critically hit by thieves up to 12k? What gives?? I am stacking toughness to defend against this crap and still am getting dropped faster than i can even counter it. Unless i am doing something wrong, i am getting close to uninstalling this game. I dont mean to rage or anything but there appears to be a serious WvW balance issue. The average hit from them is around 4k but still with how fast they strike it kills me 4-kittens.

Not even once I have been able to crit 12k, much less 3 times in a row.
Explanation about the balance in “assasin” type classes here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/More-Counter-Stealth-Play/3456246

Best,

Haltair, one of the twelve shadows

Hickeroar.9734:

Full zerk w/ some or all ascended
25 stacks of bloodlust
Guardleech

They’re sitting on loads of power.

In the whole time I’ve been playing WvW, I’ve been baslisk-venom->C/D->Backstab “three shot” like twice. The only advice I can give you is to get faster reaction times and use a stunbreak….? On my glass mesmer I have time to aim and blink away every time before they get their backstab off.

Same thing, almost full zerk ele. In theory theves can 2 shot but in practice it NEVER happens because stun break+dodge roll or else teleport ruins their combo. These thieves themselves go down in a few shots as well and more often then not they lose.

In ideal conditions, a thief might hit 6k cnd and 9k BS (vs 12-15k hp light armor). So that’s a 2 shot. Meanwhile, rifle warriors have hit me for 18k kill shots.

I know it’s cliche by now but I highly recommend people having trouble with thieves play the class a while to learn the builds they have trouble against, or at least the basic mechanics, and in general learn to predict timing and actions in stealth. It is very predictable.

rogerwilko.6895:

Hickeroar.9734:

On my glass mesmer I have time to aim and blink away every time before they get their backstab off.

Yes and once the thief fails his BS, we all know that he’s dead, right?

Yes, after a failed backstab, Thieves stab themselves like an honorable samurai.

- HerpsADerps 1ofthe12DeRps

Threads like this make me lol. The truth is that all classes have glass cannon builds that deal a lot of damage. In the past, I’ve been nearly instakilled by multiple classes including thieves, and warriors. Just last night, I got wrecked on my bunker guardian by a GC ele using meteor shower.

Morale of the story. Stop complaining.

style.6173:

Threads like this make me lol. The truth is that all classes have glass cannon builds that deal a lot of damage. In the past, I’ve been nearly instakilled by multiple classes including thieves, and warriors. Just last night, I got wrecked on my bunker guardian by a GC ele using meteor shower.

Morale of the story. Stop complaining.

Casttime Meteorshower: about 4 sec.(not counting in tornado, without tornado combo from the ele you should never go down as a guardian)
Casttime Heatseekerspam: BAM BAM BAM – DOWN.

Heartseeker isn’t the problem. Too much stealth spam makes it too easy for thief to run full damage build. Using skill 1 in stealth and not landing it should reveal or have a few sec cooldown so they can’t be spammed. Also too much power creep lameness by adding guard leech and food buffs in wvw (goes for all classes).

Someone sum up for me the amount of times the argument “thieves in stealth aren’t doing any damage, so why cry” has been used please

Lol. My thief does damage in stealth or in near stealth. At some point of split second re stealthing, it’s the same thing.

I’d like to defend Sanduskel, I really think he wants to bring us thieves to a better/balanced level. I mean look at this post I found from him!
Also, don’t pay any attention to the fact that sanduskel and burnfall are right beneath each other. Isn’t interesting at all

heh

its skill i tell ya

^For people unaware of how a thief gets their damage, notice him running 4 signets. He has to use all of them before attacking the enemy to get this kind of damage. This means that if you just survived that burst (dodge, block, blind) you have a thief with 0 utilities and no elite and no healing ability.
This also means that in a 2v1, he can only take down one using surprise tactic if all 3 are equally skilled.

Just for education purposes

I actually stopped using the speed signet, was finding it a pain to stay on someone afterward, need Traveler Runes

I also swapped out one of the Signets for the Devourer Venom. Slightly less Might, but I’m doing 10k-11k backstabs and this of course without Power Stacks or Guard Killer.

But yea, a 2v1 wouldn’t work most likely, very squishy.

I also can’t kill classes like a Mesmer who knows i’m coming, or a Necro who’s not stupid.

Anything less then full on tank though, Its pretty much instant kill from 1500 range

Not exactly what you want for a game like this.

Oh yea, highest Cloak and Dagger so far has been 8k

Terravos.4059:

I actually stopped using the speed signet, was finding it a pain to stay on someone afterward, need Traveler Runes

I also swapped out one of the Signets for the Devourer Venom. Slightly less Might, but I’m doing 10k-11k backstabs and this of course without Power Stacks or Guard Killer.

But yea, a 2v1 wouldn’t work most likely, very squishy.

I also can’t kill classes like a Mesmer who knows i’m coming, or a Necro who’s not stupid.

Anything less then full on tank though, Its pretty much instant kill from 1500 range

Not exactly what you want for a game like this.

lol nice. Must be fun to play.

Can I point out here that Full Ascended Berserker hits about 30% harder then Exotic Berserker. I didn’t expect the difference to be that big but, then power and crit multiply (in a way).

BTW, 2500 Armor is Soldier’s armor with Berserker trinkets and weapons. It is not at all that much. <- that was with 300 toughness from traits

Terravos.4059:

Anything less then full on tank though, Its pretty much instant kill from 1500 range

Not exactly what you want for a game like this.

Yet you’re completely useless in anything that doesn’t involve ganking a single person, or when someone actually has the reaction time to stun break and retaliate. It’s just unfortunate most WvW players seem to have the reaction time of turtles. But yeah, I wouldn’t call that stuff overpowered, it’s extremely easy to counter. And on top of it, that build is one of the most boring things to play.

Okaishi.8320:

Terravos.4059:

Anything less then full on tank though, Its pretty much instant kill from 1500 range

Not exactly what you want for a game like this.

Yet you’re completely useless in anything that doesn’t involve ganking a single person, or when someone actually has the reaction time to stun break and retaliate. It’s just unfortunate most WvW players seem to have the reaction time of turtles. But yeah, I wouldn’t call that stuff overpowered, it’s extremely easy to counter. And on top of it, that build is one of the most boring things to play.

Depends, if I show up at a group fight, and instantly kill one person right at the start that’s not a good thing to have.

The only way to really counter it, is to pre use your invul abilities when you see me get the stacks of might, if you don’t see me, and I just teleport on top of you, you probably won’t have a chance to even hit a stun breaker..

Now do I think its overpowered in the sense of “OMG this is game changing” no…However a build like that shouldn’t exist in this game..Its to much damage period..

There’s also killshots and eviscerates that easily hit 17k+. About as easy to avoid as the mug+c&d+bs combo if you see it coming. It’s really not that hard to predict what a thief is going to do that’s running towards you with basilisk venom activated and about 15 stacks of might. If you see that, and still can’t manage breaking the stun before the backstab lands you just need more practice, and that’s putting it very nicely. It’s like saying wells shouldn’t be in the game because people stand still inside them and take the full damage over its duration and it can kill multiple players all at once. It’s like saying killshot shouldn’t be in the game because you have people looking at a killshot channel and still fail to dodge it. I feel the same way about people failing to stun break something as painfully obvious as a signet thief, and atleast that killshot warrior isn’t completely helpless even if his burst misses. Same goes for the power necro.

Burnfall.9573:

Seriously, how many times do you see a ranger take out multitude of players in wvw?

Almost to NONE

Now let me ask you this, how many times have you seen a thief take out multitude of players in wvw?

ALWAYS

To those who want to jeopardize ranger class being OP in wvw, show me all the threads and Posts about Rangers being OP in wvw?

Seriously, I would LOVE to see them…

by the way, it should be at the same count as the thief, well because, we both are OP in group fights?

Right??

They both are design horribly and need some serious immediate rework.

Of course!! that’s a lie

Because according to __ , they are in Perfect shape; in other word, it’s not worth complaining anymore

It’s obvious,

1 year later; one is born to live forever and one is born to die forever.

I’m sure “it doesn’t take a rocket science” to know which one it is.

-some people actually believe the Earth is flat-

Do you want more? . . . it took me 5 min to prove you don’t know anything of this game.

If you want videos from another profession i can show you also . . . all the professions are great when well played.

Also please notice that there is a lot of thieves getting kill even in outnumbered fights.

Thanks for your attention.

Okaishi.8320:

There’s also killshots and eviscerates that easily hit 17k+. About as easy to avoid as the mug+c&d+bs combo if you see it coming. It’s really not that hard to predict what a thief is going to do that’s running towards you with basilisk venom activated and about 15 stacks of might. If you see that, and still can’t manage breaking the stun before the backstab lands you just need more practice, and that’s putting it very nicely. It’s like saying wells shouldn’t be in the game because people stand still inside them and take the full damage over its duration and it can kill multiple players all at once. It’s like saying killshot shouldn’t be in the game because you have people looking at a killshot channel and still fail to dodge it. I feel the same way about people failing to stun break something as painfully obvious as a signet thief, and atleast that killshot warrior isn’t completely helpless even if his burst misses. Same goes for the power necro.

Killshot shouldn’t be in the game.

Its also got a much greater cast time the the usual combo you can run on backstab.

Now I know what you’re going to say “But killshot is easy to avoid” and it is… However having a class that can instant kill someone from a long range in the middle of a group fight that you can’t always avoid is stupid…Just like having an instant kill backstab attack.

Eviscerate probably falls on that as well, Attacks like that shouldn’t exist in a game like this.

As for breaking the stun, You have less then a second to do it before you eat the backstab if the thief teleports on top of you, You can do things like pop stability before hand so you can dodge afterward, but if he comes from the side or back and you don’t see him

Its instant death.

I’m not saying its amazing for 1v1’s, I’m not even saying its overpowered, But at the same time, it shouldn’t exist in this game if you understand what i’m saying.

Terravos.4059 i do not agree with you.

Most games have and must have skills like this.

It will veeeeeeery boring to play a game full of tanks with no high damage-high risk mechanics.

I like kill shot . . . is fun when they 1 shot 1 person . . . even Eviscerate . . . i don’t mind.

This forum is full of people that do not understand the role of profession . . . they want their ranger to hit like a thief . . . is the same a thief asking for 1500 range on bow.

SoLeciTO.3490:

Terravos.4059 i do not agree with you.

Most games have and must have skills like this.

It will veeeeeeery boring to play a game full of tanks with no high damage-high risk mechanics.

I like kill shot . . . is fun when they 1 shot 1 person . . . even Eviscerate . . . i don’t mind.

This forum is full of people that do not understand the role of profession . . . they want their ranger to hit like a thief . . . is the same a thief asking for 1500 range on bow.

Very few MMO’s have instant kill dps combo’s like this, The few times they do end up with instant kill combo’s they get nerfed very quickly afterward. If you can name an instant kill combo from an MMO, I can probably point out where it was nerfed soon afterward.

Also a Ranger can hit similar to a Thief like this, Its more limited then thief though because you can’t just teleport on top of the person and instantly hit them, But a Maul Combo built for it can hit 12-15k damage on people..

Also by removing these high instant hit combo’s you’d actually be lowering the amount of Tanks in this game.

Do you know why I created BM Bunker long ago on my Ranger? Because If you’re anything less then full tank, Some classes will instantly explode you. You think Ele’s came up with D/D Bunker build because they wanted to play that? Nope..They came up with that build because thieves kept 1 shotting them.

People would like to play less tanky builds, But until you address the problem of incredibly high 1 hit builds, you’ll always have people going to the other end of the spectrum.

Fasyx.9347:

style.6173:

Threads like this make me lol. The truth is that all classes have glass cannon builds that deal a lot of damage. In the past, I’ve been nearly instakilled by multiple classes including thieves, and warriors. Just last night, I got wrecked on my bunker guardian by a GC ele using meteor shower.

Morale of the story. Stop complaining.

Casttime Meteorshower: about 4 sec.(not counting in tornado, without tornado combo from the ele you should never go down as a guardian)
Casttime Heatseekerspam: BAM BAM BAM – DOWN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

In a zerg, the cast time does not matter. It is constant red circles anyway. You missed the entire point though, all classes have GC builds.

Fasyx.9347:

style.6173:

Threads like this make me lol. The truth is that all classes have glass cannon builds that deal a lot of damage. In the past, I’ve been nearly instakilled by multiple classes including thieves, and warriors. Just last night, I got wrecked on my bunker guardian by a GC ele using meteor shower.

Morale of the story. Stop complaining.

Casttime Meteorshower: about 4 sec.(not counting in tornado, without tornado combo from the ele you should never go down as a guardian)
Casttime Heatseekerspam: BAM BAM BAM – DOWN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

hahaha this never gets old. best video out there!hahaha: did they steal your puppy?

vincecontix.1264:

tAzz.8497:

=)) now i understand why u linked a condition mesmer when wr talking about burst.

insane guardian burst http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgYhGde9Qmc

brb rerolling guardian