Guild Wars 2

……way to “force” EOTM on everyone

I love the fact a mod/dev shows up to merge our threads. But they don’t have the decency to respond in any fashion at all.

12 pages of 90%+ complaints and it gets hidden in a thread that sounds like somewhere to go and tell them how brilliant the idea is.

Truly it really is no wonder nothing changes. All the decent ideas just get merged and ignored. I mean really is our non-existent developer going to read 12 pages to pick out the gems?

Well a mod can’t really do much to help us out. Their job is forums, they have nothing to do with the actual game.

we’re having a blast busting and trolling these golem groups on foot lolol

Dal.5872:

I love the fact a mod/dev shows up to merge our threads. But they don’t have the decency to respond in any fashion at all.

12 pages of 90%+ complaints and it gets hidden in a thread that sounds like somewhere to go and tell them how brilliant the idea is.

Truly it really is no wonder nothing changes. All the decent ideas just get merged and ignored. I mean really is our non-existent developer going to read 12 pages to pick out the gems?

I would not bother reading through 13 pages. tl;dr

Random.4691:

Well a mod can’t really do much to help us out. Their job is forums, they have nothing to do with the actual game.

Meh a “This thread has been merged. Thanks for all the feedback, be sure we will make sure the developers read it” would have sufficed….

But as per normal in the WvW thread we get…… Nothing…..

alvinjason.3109:

we’re having a blast busting and trolling these golem groups on foot lolol

Well ya, DR/ET the grps of golems are maybe 4 ppl big.

This event is completely horribad. Right now, Eternal Battlegrounds consists of 2 K-Trains politely letting eachother flip Towers and Keeps.

Hey, you know what I want to do in WvWvW? Not fight other servers…

Yeesh…

New WvW maps = EOTMv2 confirmed with this stunt?

We kept asking for better rewards in wvw and this is what we’ve got! T_T xD :’D

I’ll be happy when this event is finished. Found it interesting for 1 minute, then realized I couldn’t really enjoy the class I was playing.

Anyone get a wp yet? LOL

Most stuff is not upgrading because everyone is out running around in golems. Just upgraded our entire side to reinforced gates/walls, cannons, oil and mortars and even people are running around asking in maps “who is upgrading?” Was funny watching a group of ten get wiped in a fully upgraded camp with 2 of us defending it.

Last I checked this is WvW and not EoTM so some event isn’t going to stop me from doing what I normally do.. Sad thing is probably no one will defend any of it because they are too busy k-training. That is what most are preferring to do during this event and nothing else. All 3 servers in my match are doing it but at least I’m making it harder for the other 2 servers.

Am I wasting my time and money? Probably but it is not the first time.

briggah.7910:

Anyone get a wp yet? LOL

We had one when I last checked our eb map but to be honest they only managed to do it because they farmed the other servers at their spawns with omegs…and then I left the map ashamed of my own server.

briggah.7910:

Anyone get a wp yet? LOL

Most stuff is not upgrading because everyone is out running around in golems. Just upgraded our entire side to reinforced gates/walls, cannons, oil and mortars and even people are running around asking in maps “who is upgrading?” Was funny watching a group of ten get wiped in a fully upgraded camp with 2 of us defending it.

Last I checked this is WvW and not EoTM so some event isn’t going to stop me from doing what I normally do.. Sad thing is probably no one will defend any of it because they are too busy k-training. That is what most are preferring to do during this event and nothing else. All 3 servers in my match are doing it but at least I’m making it harder for the other 2 servers.

Am I wasting my time and money? Probably but it is not the first time.

No wps that I knew of. We managed to hold onto our garrison from reset until a few hours later. This was the only building we held reliably; Bay and Hills were not even thought of. EB keeps were just traded from what I saw on the map. Pretty every gate and wall was smashed open and was sometimes mended together with duct tape. No waypoint sadly.

We did get quite a few dolyaks in though; God bless their souls to whoever was escorting them. I really don’t think upgrading walls was the best idea; the SS shows the furthest extent of upgrade process when I decided to call it quits although most of the supply being used to build siege skews things even more. Any idea of building a waypoint was laughed off. Someone’s force of habit, maybe. Anyhow, just save your gold. You’re better off just building more golems.

Random.4691:

alvinjason.3109:

we’re having a blast busting and trolling these golem groups on foot lolol

Well ya, DR/ET the grps of golems are maybe 4 ppl big.

around 7 -10 actually. it can get 15-20 on some hours.

golem rush actually works pretty well in eotm. what I have observed sofar…

more fighting with 80s, possibly wvw refuges

the golems tend to get destroyed when capping towers and keeps cause of lord aoe.

less golems because they get destroyed quickly

the gates start as reinforced so it takes them a little longer to break open.

the walls are higher, longer, bigger making it harder for omegas to clear defensive siege

the vertical nature of the map, enviroment and NPCs more hazardous to golems.

the easy access to golems allows smaller parties to split from the mega blob and attack objectives on their own.

alvinjason.3109:

Random.4691:

alvinjason.3109:

we’re having a blast busting and trolling these golem groups on foot lolol

Well ya, DR/ET the grps of golems are maybe 4 ppl big.

around 7 -10 actually. it can get 15-20 on some hours.

Some servers have to face 50+ omega zergs. There is not a real way to troll them.

What a joke, way to alienate an already generally annoyed WvW community.
Plz plz someone develop a decent large map PvP game so I don’t have to suffer Anet anymore !!!!

Random.4691:

Well a mod can’t really do much to help us out. Their job is forums, they have nothing to do with the actual game.

Yea, I wouldn’t blame them as the forum has gotten overloaded with threads, but now the thread is totally unreadable and really hard to pick stuff out.

On the other hand, it’s pretty self-evident. I pretty much just linked this thread and said this isn’t pretty at all. Although, I really could have just said “you guys really screwed up, here’s the thread”

In essence, there is a strong sentiment that the event was buggy, interfered with regular play and also interfered with previous week’s play.

The entire first page was covered with complaints from various users which were merged into the current thread with over 600 posts, with the response being overwhelmingly negative. At this point the forum merging has made the thread unreadable, but it should be fairly apparent that the method of deploying this event wasn’t optimal.

This is the worst event anet has ever come up with. It only rewards the ppt kitten and the servers with the highest population. Cmon kitteng anet think about kitten before you do it.

ArchonWing.9480:

On the other hand, it’s pretty self-evident. I pretty much just linked this thread and said this isn’t pretty at all.

And has Devon even been bothered to get back to you?

ArchonWing.9480:

Random.4691:

Well a mod can’t really do much to help us out. Their job is forums, they have nothing to do with the actual game.

Yea, I wouldn’t blame them as the forum has gotten overloaded with threads, but now the thread is totally unreadable and really hard to pick stuff out.

On the other hand, it’s pretty self-evident. I pretty much just linked this thread and said they screwed up.

The entire first page was covered with complaints from various users which were merged into the current thread with over 600 posts, with the response being overwhelmingly negative. At this point the forum merging has made the thread unreadable, but it should be fairly apparent that the method of deploying this event wasn’t optimal.

As I said a “We merged the thread and will make sure we spam our developers with it to get your point across.” would have been enough. Which in fairness Archon has now done =)

But I never liked thread merging on topics as important as this, especially on forums as populated as these are. I would rather Mod’s locked the thread with a link to the most popular and literate version of the thread. A little more effort but doesn’t step on the toes of the thread creators in the same manner. It also doesn’t annoy the original thread creator whose subject text is no longer anything like it was when created.

Vazqo.8012:

……way to “force” EOTM on everyone

See the thing that makes EotM into what we have now and what ppl hate is the abitly to jump to new maps not the karma training. BLs you cant make that jump so if you turly wish to kill a karma tarn group you can mind you must be willing to fight with golmes too. The ideal of force EotM is more of a use of a buzz world then a real ideal for the golem rush event.

Nocturnal Lunacy.8563:

This is the worst event anet has ever come up with. It only rewards the ppt kitten and the servers with the highest population. Cmon kitteng anet think about kitten before you do it.

Lol, PPT mean nothing this week. Nobody care about PPT. All that matters is that you move either clockwise or counterclockwise and cap keep after keep and hope that the enemy server holds this “silent agreement” so that you dont have to spend extra minutes walking over their corpses. Seriously, why does a server that’s been wiped over and over even try to defend their paper garrison when 30 golems are coming to flip for the 5th time in an hour. Backcap kitten , stick with the program.

Just watched points of interest ep. 26 because I’m apparently unable to roam. Up to this point I was still able to laugh about this event and make fun of how they are treatening wvw…then I realised, they are looking forward to try out even more events like this…

Is there any other wvw/rvr mmo right now?

Got us a wp finally and almost all fortified side. Now lets see how long it lasts. Prime time is a few hours away. Hope it was worth it :P

Orochimaru.4730:

ArchonWing.9480:

On the other hand, it’s pretty self-evident. I pretty much just linked this thread and said this isn’t pretty at all.

And has Devon even been bothered to get back to you?

No, we don’t communicate with the developer’s directly. Anything we send gets forwarded over to the development team.

Of course, it’s not even been 2 months since I got the title.

Dal.5872:

ArchonWing.9480:

Random.4691:

Well a mod can’t really do much to help us out. Their job is forums, they have nothing to do with the actual game.

Yea, I wouldn’t blame them as the forum has gotten overloaded with threads, but now the thread is totally unreadable and really hard to pick stuff out.

On the other hand, it’s pretty self-evident. I pretty much just linked this thread and said they screwed up.

The entire first page was covered with complaints from various users which were merged into the current thread with over 600 posts, with the response being overwhelmingly negative. At this point the forum merging has made the thread unreadable, but it should be fairly apparent that the method of deploying this event wasn’t optimal.

As I said a “We merged the thread and will make sure we spam our developers with it to get your point across.” would have been enough. Which in fairness Archon has now done =)

But I never liked thread merging on topics as important as this, especially on forums as populated as these are. I would rather Mod’s locked the thread with a link to the most popular and literate version of the thread. A little more effort but doesn’t step on the toes of the thread creators in the same manner. It also doesn’t annoy the original thread creator whose subject text is no longer anything like it was when created.

Yea, it makes more sense to simply lock redundant threads and keep quality ones; again this just makes it unreadable, and of course, nobody will read the pages in the middle!

briggah.7910:

Got us a wp finally and almost all fortified side. Now lets see how long it lasts. Prime time is a few hours away. Hope it was worth it :P

Say goodbye to your beloved keep. It will rain omegas from the skies like in eu primetime! :P

All hail the golem lord Josh!

Feedback – Its bad. Turn this $h!+ off. The end.

Just throwing my feedback into the pile.

In general I want to say that I’m a big fan of special events in WvW, and throwing up a WvW experience/magic find buff to encourage more people to come out and try it.

This event, however, is a severe miss, and I really think a predictable one too. My matchup has resolved to running around in big circles of golems in EB, farming experience and WvW exp and leveling alts. There is very little actual PvP happening at all.

I think Anet’s intention was to try and incentivize bringing golems onto the battlefield to fight other players and golems, which I agree in theory could be a fun event. If you try this again (or even, if possible, if you could implement it in this current event), I highly, highly suggest that, in addition to the buffs to golems you made, you also disable their ability to damage walls and gates. That’s the only way I see to actually incentivize golems for use in PvP fights.

Dawdler.8521:

Lol, PPT mean nothing this week. Nobody care about PPT. All that matters is that you move either clockwise or counterclockwise and cap keep after keep and hope that the enemy server holds this “silent agreement” so that you dont have to spend extra minutes walking over their corpses. Seriously, why does a server that’s been wiped over and over even try to defend their paper garrison when 30 golems are coming to flip for the 5th time in an hour. Backcap kitten , stick with the program.

Funny thing is before this event not many would admit they cared about PPT. Those that did would get flamed. Now all the sudden people care about PPT again? Next week no one will care about PPT and be back to just looking for fights.

Will say though not many fights so far in my match up so looking forward to next week so I can roam again.

briggah.7910:

Dawdler.8521:

Lol, PPT mean nothing this week. Nobody care about PPT. All that matters is that you move either clockwise or counterclockwise and cap keep after keep and hope that the enemy server holds this “silent agreement” so that you dont have to spend extra minutes walking over their corpses. Seriously, why does a server that’s been wiped over and over even try to defend their paper garrison when 30 golems are coming to flip for the 5th time in an hour. Backcap kitten , stick with the program.

Funny thing is before this event not many would admit they cared about PPT. Those that did would get flamed. Now all the sudden people care about PPT again? Next week no one will care about PPT and be back to just looking for fights.

Will say though not many fights so far in my match up so looking forward to next week so I can roam again.

Well, I think there’s a distinction between PPT’ing and accepting it as a part of WvW and developing a common goal with your servermates as opposed to PPT’arding, the toxic form where you demand everyone follow the way you approach WvW. Like it or not, it does give people a reason to defend something as opposed to just karma training it all day. It’s very much like the blinds in poker; you have to have something to fight for, though it doesn’t make it a means to an end.

On the other hand, since I feel this week will have neither PPT nor fights, which makes me wonder if I should revisit Silverwastes again. I was fortunate enough to be on map which bothered to defend but that degenerated after most of the regulars on all 3 servers got tired of it.

Why so serious? Everyone seem to be kittened off by this week-long event, but after all it’s just a game and some people find this event to be lots of fun. Personally, well, it was fun for hour or two, but still I don’t want to rage. In our matchup we have lots of fights and I haven’t seen that many K-trains going around, there are even few waypoints across all maps.
Only thing I am really mad about is alarming number of players abusing the bug to get golem buff when they are not in them…that’s a shame…
I can also add that I am really passionate about WvW and that I spend 80% of my gaming time upgrading, sieging and defending our objectives….

briggah.7910:

Dawdler.8521:

Lol, PPT mean nothing this week. Nobody care about PPT. All that matters is that you move either clockwise or counterclockwise and cap keep after keep and hope that the enemy server holds this “silent agreement” so that you dont have to spend extra minutes walking over their corpses. Seriously, why does a server that’s been wiped over and over even try to defend their paper garrison when 30 golems are coming to flip for the 5th time in an hour. Backcap kitten , stick with the program.

Funny thing is before this event not many would admit they cared about PPT. Those that did would get flamed. Now all the sudden people care about PPT again? Next week no one will care about PPT and be back to just looking for fights.

Will say though not many fights so far in my match up so looking forward to next week so I can roam again.

Nope never cared about PPT but it certainly hurts the PPTers. I like fights, I like small fight, medium fights and even the really big fights. But this is just not happening this week.

Basically WvW is made up of 3 groups of players, casual WvWers who couldn’t care less if they can’t WvW for a week and don’t mind playing EOTM so will happily Karma Train. You have the PPTers, who like to scout,defend and attack towers and keeps. Finally you have the fight lovers.

Anet has alienated the 2 biggest player groups in WvW with this one, hence the pages and pages of negativity.

choban.9027:

Why so serious? Everyone seem to be kittened off by this week-long event, but after all it’s just a game and some people find this event to be lots of fun. Personally, well, it was fun for hour or two, but still I don’t want to rage. In our matchup we have lots of fights and I haven’t seen that many K-trains going around, there are even few waypoints across all maps.
Only thing I am really mad about is alarming number of players abusing the bug to get golem buff when they are not in them…that’s a shame…
I can also add that I am really passionate about WvW and that I spend 80% of my gaming time upgrading, sieging and defending our objectives….

Well, I feel like they could have added some more effort and thought into this. Like take this as a chance to stomp out some bugs, but instead we get some more ridiclous bugs and exploits. If that didn’t exist, and say change the golem bonus to 10% damage and made golems only cost half supply then it could still exist without the same degree of disruption.

Imagine if they just extended the golem thing to pve maps. Let’s say you can’t use them to attack other players. There would be a lot of crying foul; I’d assume, even if it’s only temporary.

Most of us aren’t PPT try hards but we know you have to maintain a certain level to keep from dropping tiers. It’s pretty boring when you completely dominate your opponents.

As a player who does WvW/EOTM daily, overall, I thought the golem event spiced things up a bit, and certainly brought in more players than usual (which was one really good thing!).

I think if there were some things I would change in the future though, I would suggest making the golems run perhaps 50% or 75% faster, instead of 100%, as they ran faster than players running at 33%. I think golems should be able to keep up with any player running at 33%, or even just slightly faster than that – as they ran just a little too fast.

The next thing I would change is the 100% more damage to players. We were getting absolutely caned from a bunch of Omega golems. I’m talking 1 and even 2-hit ko’s. No chance to retaliate. In the future I would keep their damage against players as normal, and have no additional damage modifiers against players as it was a bit OP.

What I did love about this event was the fact that it brought golems back. And to me, WvW/EOTM without golems is like a baby without milk. I think they’re an icon of what WvW and EOTM is, but sadly I hardly ever see any golems in EOTM apart from when someone, usually new, throws a golem blueprint on the ground, and people just start randomly building it, and then someone enters the golem, and either walks it off the edge, or uses it for taking down a tower, then leaves it there to be destroyed by the enemies. This is such a waste!

I think the reason golems aren’t used much in EOTM (specifically), is because they’re just too darn slow, and they require a ton of supply, and 3 rams are usually faster than 1 golem, so golems are left for dead. Which brings me to my next point.

By making the golems require zero supply to make, it encouraged people to use them, and use them they did. This was one of the best aspects of the whole event in my opinion, because golems were instantly more useful than rams – which SHOULD be how it is, all of the time.

Looking to future events, as someone suggested on reddit in the ‘Feedback about the WvW Golem event’ thread (http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3dr1f6/feedback_about_the_wvw_golem_event/), the next event could be an one where everyone is stealthed while out of combat. It would certainly be interesting!

ArchonWing.9480:

Well, I feel like they could have added some more effort and thought into this. Like take this as a chance to stomp out some bugs, but instead we get some more ridiclous bugs and exploits. If that didn’t exist, and say change the golem bonus to 10% damage and made golems only cost half supply then it could still exist without the same degree of disruption.

^
This would have made it a fun event because you have to be prepared for several coordinated golem rushes and not a neverending army of golems crushing everything in sight.

BTW thanks for taking care.

ArchonWing.9480:

choban.9027:

Why so serious? Everyone seem to be kittened off by this week-long event, but after all it’s just a game and some people find this event to be lots of fun. Personally, well, it was fun for hour or two, but still I don’t want to rage. In our matchup we have lots of fights and I haven’t seen that many K-trains going around, there are even few waypoints across all maps.
Only thing I am really mad about is alarming number of players abusing the bug to get golem buff when they are not in them…that’s a shame…
I can also add that I am really passionate about WvW and that I spend 80% of my gaming time upgrading, sieging and defending our objectives….

Well, I feel like they could have added some more effort and thought into this. Like take this as a chance to stomp out some bugs, but instead we get some more ridiclous bugs and exploits. If that didn’t exist, and say change the golem bonus to 10% damage and made golems only cost half supply then it could still exist without the same degree of disruption.

Imagine if they just extended the golem thing to pve maps. Let’s say you can’t use them to attack other players. There would be a lot of crying foul; I’d assume, even if it’s only temporary.

Well now the bugs and exploits are where every one can see them now maybe its a needed evil.
Its not a question of good even or bad event it is a bad event most ppl think so but its a silly event and not one to end all your fun forever in wvw.

Bugusing and eotm-style:

worst “event” ever!!

Not fun – my feedback since playing on the same server since beta and head start.

Worst idea – personal opinion.

Bad timing – we are still trying to adjust to the patch that has a few classes under power while a few are still busting at the seams with too much. This isn’t helping any and only frustrating some players. I’m not going to speak for everyone but it is frustrating me.

What is the goal and/or objective for this week? Data collection? Idea for expansion? Wild kitten idea? Hail Mary? Free WvW ranks and chests? Karma? Null and void any work by existing players?

EoTM – wasn’t this the map for stuff like this?

What is the future of WvW and GW2? 2016 has a game coming out which created this format of play if they are on time. My guess is you have 12 to 16 months to sort out the method of play otherwise you will lose the player base. An expansion isn’t going to cut it. There are not many rewards. There is no portal for any form of substantial statistics for players or guilds. Opinion – there is already a big challenge to play and stay focused with population and wall clock coverage vs. server rank.

Adding things like this isn’t helping and honestly giving one pause to do something else for a while. That while may turn into a longer while…which means those remaining suffer who in turn end up leaving or doing something else.

Not doom and gloom but I honestly wonder why this was put in play on this map and what the return on it was.

“Hey guys, what are we going to do tonight in WvW?”

“How about another golem rush?”

“We could change it up and golem rush a different borderland.”

“Anyone up for golem rushing EOTM?”

“Let’s golem rush EB again!”

No matter. Once a game comes along that does wvw and cares about competitive play comes along, this will all be behind us.

WvW is a casual playground. Just roll with it. Competitive play is not the intent of this gamemode. The fact that the scores still count during this event make crystal clear how much respect is given to the competition level of wvw.

For those of us who are competitive in wvw, we just continue to maintain the illusion it actually matters so we can still have fun. We know deep down it means nothing with the way the game is.

Just don’t get too upset when the curtain gets pulled back.

That dev guy in the video, Mike, should really think before he speaks. Didn’t really condone himself very well in answering the question professionally.

Just logged on to my guilds TS and found it empty… I can’t think of a time when I have ever seen that, especially during a primetime.

At first the stupidity of this event was a mix of frustrating and funny because it showed how out of touch the dev’s are with the WvW community, but not seeing any of my guild on is just depressing.

This has me very worried about what the dinosaur/skyhammer map is going to do to my guild.

RIP WvW, no other part of the game is worth playing and now WvW is about as fun as bathing in razor blades.

You know what would have been more fun and leans towards what players been asking for a long time for. Making the event something like all gates/walls take 1/3 the normal damages from players and siege equipment. Would have made for some epic defense/offense siege videos.

Chuck Zitto.2367:

You know what would have been more fun and leans towards what players been asking for a long time for. Making the event something like all gates/walls take 1/3 the normal damages from players and siege equipment. Would have made for some epic defense/offense siege videos.

They probably thought speed golems and everything thrown in would have achieved similar results. Now if truth be told in our match one side did manage to fortify one or two towers and their keep. Rest, paper.

Follow up to my original post:

1. Still not fun.
2. I’ve transitioned from annoyed to angry.
3. Instead of regularly running WvW, I’m only going there for dailies if I need to until next week.

Anet— honestly, I spent a bunch of badges on golems and did some rushes. Wasn’t fun and nobody else thought it was fun. It’s a monkey/football cluster. Boo.

I’m hoping this mess is over next week. There are a lot of other games out there that are umm… fun.

There are many who do like it though – I’m sure arena net will have statistics to represent what they want at the end of the day. Some of the /map chat I’m reading tonight is that they are jazzed – more WvW ranks which is 10x easier and faster with loot.

Champ farming / karma train if that is your thing. I gave it another hour – not my cup of tea.