Guild Wars 2

Good luck Anet. I really hope that these listed in the feature pack is not the only improvements coming to WvW. I do not know if your realize how close the WvW communities in GW2 have come, and while it is a great feat for your game, your refusal to reward our commitment and dedication is going to cost you dearly. From what I can gather WvW is filled to the brim with players that have been here since the start. And our patience is at an end. With the release of Archage being F2P, every player in every WvW guild is probably going to at least try it. And since whole guilds are going, the odds of a majority not coming back are increased. You insist on devoting all your time and resources to making living story, and fail to realize why people play MMOs. People do not play MMOs to travel around doing solo instances. They play Online to play with other people. All stories come to an end. So no matter how good or long you make your story’s, people will beat them and be done with them one day. PvP on the other hand, there is always a new battle right around the corner, an enemy you haven’t faced or a tactic you haven’t seen. Only humans can bring originality and surprise to game play, your Ai can only fool us once. This is why the vast majority of all online play is PvP (Every FPS, RTS, etc). Why do you think games like counter strike and star craft were played endlessly? because of the campaign modes? hardly. its because both those games were exclusively pvp, and people(fans primarily) were able to customize and create new and exciting pvp maps and modes to play against each other. If you aren’t going to give us any new WvW content, then at least open it up so we can. Otherwise your game is doomed. All Stories come to an end, but there is always a good pvp battle to find, I guess the question is are you going to host the pvp battles in Tyria? or are you going to make us go somewhere else?

Good luck.

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

thiagoperne.7340:

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

The sad thing is, everything the OP has said is true, the game is great but the amount the developers care for WvW is sickening.

Archage has bad combat mechanics,etc. You cant compare AA to GW2.

GW2 only real competition is Camelot unchained(AKA DAOC2). However
that is far far away. 2017.

Vermillion.4061:

thiagoperne.7340:

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

The sad thing is, everything the OP has said is true, the game is great but the amount the developers care for WvW is sickening.

They do what they can, the only one that can resolve the problem is yourself, you play where you like more.

thiagoperne.7340:

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

Hell, GW1 is better than GW2.

Johje Holan.4607:

thiagoperne.7340:

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

Hell, GW1 is better than GW2.

Play GW1 instead of GW2 if you not already, so simple.

thiagoperne.7340:

Vermillion.4061:

thiagoperne.7340:

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

The sad thing is, everything the OP has said is true, the game is great but the amount the developers care for WvW is sickening.

They do what they can, the only one that can resolve the problem is yourself, you play where you like more.

Wow. Someone who actually thinks ANET has been delivering WvW enhancements this year.

I uh…

Nah, go ahead. Play AA without a sub and uh…let me know how that works out.

Not that your points about WvW being stale aren’t valid though, but there isn’t really any good competition.

Fuzzion.2504:

Archage has bad combat mechanics,etc. You cant compare AA to GW2.

GW2 only real competition is Camelot unchained(AKA DAOC2). However
that is far far away. 2017.

[offtopic]

-yes combat and graphics are a bit clunky, but the rest beats gw2 without probelms.
-why the reason to have graphics if the rest is a freaking empty bottle?
-btw in archage player can be pk’ed while doing pve for me thats a must.
-also atm best mmo for role playing.

for some graphics inst everything.

I uh…

Nah, go ahead. Play AA without a sub and uh…let me know how that works out.

Not that your points about WvW being stale aren’t valid though, but there isn’t really any good competition.

Leveled 2 classes while playing with firends, in gw2 i would join eotm redundancy train, also sub just makes you have more sandbox option nothing more, did almost everything in beta w/o sub.

For some reason i find a little weird comparing a theme park game to a sandbox game.
-theme park : stale and limited options, only have small updates when company does.
-sandbox: server ecosystem depends pretty much of the players/guilds actions with lots of element on the release.

I really hope Anet has its road defined, becouse Gw2 could be really a mmo killer in future.

thiagoperne.7340:

Vermillion.4061:

thiagoperne.7340:

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

The sad thing is, everything the OP has said is true, the game is great but the amount the developers care for WvW is sickening.

They do what they can, the only one that can resolve the problem is yourself, you play where you like more.

You remind me of myself some time ago. Back when I still believed things would turn around for the better, and the devs would do something about our situation… Good times…

I’ve come to realise the cold truth though, that is that the OP is right, all the things he stated are absolutely right, and alot of them have been in a problem for two years now. Though it’s not only the lack of content and fixes to problems, let’s face it. It’s the lack of contact with us, the community, and the horrible PR department that are major problems too.

All of these problems need to be adressed, and if they are doing the best they can like you say they are, implying they can’t do it better, than I’m very sorry for that, because it’s not enough. This game deserves better. This community deserves better. And if they can’t do better, I’m sorry it’s they who are doing it and not people who can in fact do better. So I sincerely hope they can do better and will do better in the future. But after two full years, a bunch of “excited” statements about “excited” new features that turn out to be a bust and promises that were made and -not broken but- ignored, I’m sure enough to say that those times won’t come.

If there was a clearly better alternative, most players would have left by now. ANet’s failure to expand the game in some meaningful way has let down a lot of ANet belivers. This point in GW1’s development we had several new classes, skills and weapons added to the game. We have exactly zip on that front in GW2.

Fuzzion.2504:

However that is far far away. 2017.

Wait when did this happen? ;-; Last I heard they were on track for the 2015 release date.

thiagoperne.7340:

Vermillion.4061:

thiagoperne.7340:

And Good Luck to you finding a game better then gw2, or even close to it. See you soon!

The sad thing is, everything the OP has said is true, the game is great but the amount the developers care for WvW is sickening.

They do what they can, the only one that can resolve the problem is yourself, you play where you like more.

Not only do we have lack of new content for PvP but we still have the same bug problems we did 2 years ago! weve been complaining about these problems for 2 years! Nothing has changed.. We still get stuck on siege after its built, we still get stuck rezzing someone when we need to run away, Still get stuck on face plants after falling off ledges, Se tower in our BL is still glitched, Ppl are still speed hacking thru gates, this list goes on and on and the devs are doing nothing about it! they dont care! we already handed them our money, so i guess that means they no longer need to improve their game.

The problem is not that some people will leave GW2 for AA.
The problem is that,some people left for TESO,some people left for Wildstar,some people will leave for AA and some people will leave for the new WoW expansion, and many many of those people never came back, i can tell you this by looking my friends list.

Avit.3165:

The problem is not that some people will leave GW2 for AA.
The problem is that,some people left for TESO,some people left for Wildstar,some people will leave for AA and some people will leave for the new WoW expansion, and many many of those people never came back, i can tell you this by looking my friends list.

^ People keep thinking its gonna be some massive migration.
But look back at WvW from before TESO and Wildstar came out. It was still lively, in all tiers. Look at it now. Most lower tiers are dead with mid tiers dwindling.

The games wont Kill WvW, They’ll take players away in small chunks, that you dont even notice at first, but do when you look back.

ANet is trying to replace lost players, with new players. Instead of Retaining old players. Dumbest idea ever imo.

Straegen.2938:

If there was a clearly better alternative, most players would have left by now. ANet’s failure to expand the game in some meaningful way has let down a lot of ANet belivers. This point in GW1’s development we had several new classes, skills and weapons added to the game. We have exactly zip on that front in GW2.

This point in GW1’s development we learned through a magazine, not even from the Devs first, that they were abandoning GW1 to create GW2.

Banzie.5248:

Avit.3165:

The problem is not that some people will leave GW2 for AA.
The problem is that,some people left for TESO,some people left for Wildstar,some people will leave for AA and some people will leave for the new WoW expansion, and many many of those people never came back, i can tell you this by looking my friends list.

^ People keep thinking its gonna be some massive migration.
But look back at WvW from before TESO and Wildstar came out. It was still lively, in all tiers. Look at it now. Most lower tiers are dead with mid tiers dwindling.

The games wont Kill WvW, They’ll take players away in small chunks, that you dont even notice at first, but do when you look back.

ANet is trying to replace lost players, with new players. Instead of Retaining old players. Dumbest idea ever imo.

Worked for SONY. At the height of EQ’s success, they were attriting 50% of their playerbase. Hindsight for developers who aren’t paying attention, or treat customers as disposable is always an enlightening process. Unfortunately, as said above, always too late.

Have to agree with a lot of points here, starting with the sentiments of the OP, the fact that there isn’t a good competitive RvR game at present, concerns over the viability of CU (complete with its current funding model) – and yes, I hope it launches successfully.

I stopped calling GW2 an MMO about a year ago. (That’s another long post.)

Haven’t bothered to log in to even get the birthday stuff. The killer was the notice that Season 3 is the same structure as Season 2 (after statements about not playing against the same opponents more than once.)

I will log in for Season 3; if it turns out to be like last season, with additional degradation from the new “improved” siege changes, it’s a foregone conclusion that I and my guild will be gone.

We went without DAoC’s RvR for 7 years, a couple more waiting for CU isn’t a big deal.

We still have other games and real MMO’s to get us through the wait time. And we’re happy to pay for them.

Fuzzion.2504:

Archage has bad combat mechanics,etc. You cant compare AA to GW2.

Not at all. The combat might not be as streamlined as GW2’s but it’s combo system and wide variety to build customization are absolutely wonderful. In AA you have to actually pay attention and plan your attacks, where as in GW2 you have a LOT more room for error and can mitigated most all damage just by dodging.

Archeage is pretty bad. Its just a giant pve roleplaying game. Honestly OP if you liked gw2, you wont ever find another game like it that will replace it. Its too unique. For spvpers and wvwers both, the combat system has spoiled us.

Even Camelot Unchained won’t compete. Its going to have the same terrible combat system it did back in DAoC. The features sound really cool and all, but no game will ever be as smooth as gw2. If you leave just wait a year or so and then come back and see if things changed at all for you.

SkylightMoon.2098:

Archeage is pretty bad. Its just a giant pve roleplaying game.

You obviously haven’t played the game if that’s what you think. ArcheAge is heavily PvP focused. You fight the opposing faction of players, you fight players who’ve caused enough bad deeds to break off of their faction and become a pirate, and you fight your own faction when they flag up and try to pk you. Some of the best equipment in game and the best mount can only be obtained by using tokens you get for killing players of the opposing faction in areas that enter war times. Not to mention the whole northern continent is a high valued area that is player controlled to where guilds fight each other to take lands for themselves or fight to defend lands they’ve spent time fortifying and maintaining.

Brawlermein.1360:

Good luck Anet. I really hope that these listed in the feature pack is not the only improvements coming to WvW. I do not know if your realize how close the WvW communities in GW2 have come, and while it is a great feat for your game, your refusal to reward our commitment and dedication is going to cost you dearly. From what I can gather WvW is filled to the brim with players that have been here since the start. And our patience is at an end. With the release of Archage being F2P, every player in every WvW guild is probably going to at least try it. And since whole guilds are going, the odds of a majority not coming back are increased. You insist on devoting all your time and resources to making living story, and fail to realize why people play MMOs. People do not play MMOs to travel around doing solo instances. They play Online to play with other people. All stories come to an end. So no matter how good or long you make your story’s, people will beat them and be done with them one day. PvP on the other hand, there is always a new battle right around the corner, an enemy you haven’t faced or a tactic you haven’t seen. Only humans can bring originality and surprise to game play, your Ai can only fool us once. This is why the vast majority of all online play is PvP (Every FPS, RTS, etc). Why do you think games like counter strike and star craft were played endlessly? because of the campaign modes? hardly. its because both those games were exclusively pvp, and people(fans primarily) were able to customize and create new and exciting pvp maps and modes to play against each other. If you aren’t going to give us any new WvW content, then at least open it up so we can. Otherwise your game is doomed. All Stories come to an end, but there is always a good pvp battle to find, I guess the question is are you going to host the pvp battles in Tyria? or are you going to make us go somewhere else?

Good luck.

OP if you like fps try planetside 2.

Players are not only moving from this game for AA. I find myself playing a lot less GW2 and instead playing League of Legends and even single player games.

The GW2 players get bored of this game. Anet is losing a lot of players vs so many games, and I know it only seeing my friendlist and inactive guild members in a lot of guilds.

We need 2s/3s/5s REAL pvp.

Brawlermein.1360:

Good luck Anet. I really hope that these listed in the feature pack is not the only improvements coming to WvW. I do not know if your realize how close the WvW communities in GW2 have come, and while it is a great feat for your game, your refusal to reward our commitment and dedication is going to cost you dearly. From what I can gather WvW is filled to the brim with players that have been here since the start. And our patience is at an end. With the release of Archage being F2P, every player in every WvW guild is probably going to at least try it. And since whole guilds are going, the odds of a majority not coming back are increased. You insist on devoting all your time and resources to making living story, and fail to realize why people play MMOs. People do not play MMOs to travel around doing solo instances. They play Online to play with other people. All stories come to an end. So no matter how good or long you make your story’s, people will beat them and be done with them one day. PvP on the other hand, there is always a new battle right around the corner, an enemy you haven’t faced or a tactic you haven’t seen. Only humans can bring originality and surprise to game play, your Ai can only fool us once. This is why the vast majority of all online play is PvP (Every FPS, RTS, etc). Why do you think games like counter strike and star craft were played endlessly? because of the campaign modes? hardly. its because both those games were exclusively pvp, and people(fans primarily) were able to customize and create new and exciting pvp maps and modes to play against each other. If you aren’t going to give us any new WvW content, then at least open it up so we can. Otherwise your game is doomed. All Stories come to an end, but there is always a good pvp battle to find, I guess the question is are you going to host the pvp battles in Tyria? or are you going to make us go somewhere else?

Good luck.

If only it were that simple. I played Archage beta and its a horrible game, note the word “played” as in “past tense” cause its just not even worth playing for free. Too much crappy housy and construction crap in it. Also, it reminds me of Eve Online, another horrible game and on top of that its a Korean style mega grinder, labor points anyone ? ugh …..

While I no longer play GW2, there is just absolutely not a single really good game on the market with RvR style PvP currently, or any good one in near future, if you or someone is aware of one, please do tell, maybe someone can let me know of something I haven’t tried yet. I really want to find a good game to play and stick with for a long while and I have tried vast majority of what is available on the market.

I basically gave up on all MMOs as they are in their current state, this one included.

Not that I think OP is wrong, I agree, I am one of the curious players that already left, but just saying, Archage nor anything else on the current market does it for me, nor anything I am aware of within relatively near future, I will try Star Citizen when it comes out, buts I have a feeling that one is relatively far on the horizon, further then people and even its devs are letting on.