Guild Wars 2

Hello ArenaNet,

I am the guild leader of a PVP focused guild called Illegitimus. Our sole reason for jumping into Guild Wars 2 was because we shared fond memories of PVP from other RvR titles and were really hopeful that a GW2 could recapture that same experience.

We all quit at roughly the same exact time 3 months after release.

Why? WvW lacks depth. WvW is nothing more than a large group running around for XP. It has effectively become what AV became in WoW; a quick way to earn XP and get on with your day.

We were following rumors that WvW would see a major overhaul in August and now that the latest patch notes are out, I have to wonder if the team still cares about providing a thorough WvW experience.

Can we please get an update on what the status is on future WvW content releases.
I can’t be the only person who doesn’t care for the living story, crafting content, dungeons, or PVP zones. We want WvW to be a commercial success, one that lures PVP players in from other games.

Commanders are horribly executed and practically worthless beyond just having an icon to follow around the map.

In short:
Our guild is still together but we aren’t interested in coming back until WvW sees some major overhaul. We’re not particularly interested in new maps or stronger siege weapons, we just want more depth and reasons for people to stay spread out.

In long:
We have talked about several ideas, although you might not ever choose to include any of them, I’m going to list them out as options that we would be interested in.

Allow players to steal supplies from enemy Dolyaks
This would encourage the team that holds the supply camp to actually protect the Dolyaks on their paths of travel. This could even have some sort of reward to the guild that has claimed that supply camp. This even persuades players to upgrade the supply caravans instead of just capping them and moving on to the nearby keep.
This would encourage the opposing team to use tactics such as diversions, distractions, and flanking maneuvers in hopes to steal as many (or as little) supplies from the caravan as possible before reaching the destination. By stealing supplies they hurt the enemy stonghold(s) directly and allow the robber a chance to bring some much desired resources to the nearest keep.
The Mechanics
-When players are running with the 10 supply that they stole from the Dolyaks, characters have a crate in hand, remain unable to attack enemies, and walk 10% slower. If they want to attack, they have to drop the crate first. This encourages bodygaurds for the ‘runners’ as they won’t get far without protection (Anyone here play Pirates vs Vikings vs Knights on Steam?… it’s kind of like that).
To prevent malicious players from immediately building something just to waste the resources once they have stolen supplies, the runners cannot use the 10 supply to build anything. It must make it to a keep.
EXAMPLE :
If a team of 5 run in and only 2 steal supplies, the other 3 would (ideally) protect them all the way back to base. This even adds a new risk : reward type scenario where that group of 5 could potentially get 50 supplies, if they are all confident in making the run with no protection all the way back to the nearest keep. The ‘runners’ should be rewarded somehow for bringing supplies to a keep or camp that needs it.
If the defending team kills a ‘runner’ they should get some sort of bonus for having to leave the Dolyak slightly more vulnerable during that period of time whilst chasing down the enemy. When the supply is dropped, it needs to be picked up a returned to the Dolyak, otherwise the Dolyak will remain lower on supplies by the time it gets to base. When the supply is dropped it can be picked back up again by a nearby teammate (Think Keg Brawl, I’ll let ArenaNet decide if players can pass the supplies around from player to player too )

I bring this suggestion mostly to spread things out more but I also think that there is a certain bit of excitement that everyone experiences when stealing from the enemy. It’s that, "I stole the flag!!! running!!! running!!! Protect me!!! " type feeling, that feels so good.

Give Guilds more incentive to stay and defend keeps
If Guilds stay to defend a capture point, they should have more things to build and receive buffs for defending that area. This will help to slowly break down chunks of each zerg as capture points are taken.

Allow players the ability to harvest materials to build an additional building(s) that allows for the construction of craftable WvW items. Add mines or nearby trees that contain resources for the crafting of WvW items that only certain bases have access to.

Add quests to gather armor and weapons for the Quaggans and take them into battle with you every hour or so.

Please think of the WvW players that are holding out for something more.

Best,
Creaky

Add Fist of the Empire to the list of guilds that have stopped playing, for all reasons you listed here.

You can get supply from enemy dolyaks… its just random and you can’t go over 10 max (you get 5 supply if you are lucky when you kill a dolyak)

Vesir.1546:

You can get supply from enemy dolyaks… its just random and you can’t go over 10 max (you get 5 supply if you are lucky when you kill a dolyak)

Not the same.

Creaky.8596:

Vesir.1546:

You can get supply from enemy dolyaks… its just random and you can’t go over 10 max (you get 5 supply if you are lucky when you kill a dolyak)

Not the same.

WvW is an underdeveloped house of cards that’s slated to fall over as soon as the next big RvR title blows by. The development team is both too small to make anything substantial, and too out of touch with the fanbase for anything they do implement to matter.

Check back in 2015, they may have something done by then…like finally fixing the UI bug that prevents you from kicking people from your WvW party if they’re offline…only been a problem since launch, it’s clearly a complicated issue that’s much to complex to fix in a years time, gonna need a couple more to figure it out: WvW 2015!

I don’t really blame your guild for quitting WvW, it has felt like they have abandoned it the last few months…

But Devon has said new stuffs on the way…

Obscure One.4357:

gonna need a couple more to figure it out: WvW 2015!

More likely → GW2 = WoW in 2015, the way they’re going right now.

Agreed.
I quit playing 2 months after the game came out. I’m getting back into it, because I have time off work and the itch to play an mmorpg. I really want to like this game because it has such potential, but they need to do something about WvW. It’s boring and unrewarding. Same goes for sPvP.

Yeah, the problem is that they keep saying just that and they have been for months. Since then we haven’t even seen a single snippet or even a few sentences or hints.

Yet, they keep wasting time pushing out temporary content that nobody is going to be able to experience a few months from now.

If I were actually into PVE, I would really disappointed to make an ALT and find that none of the content feels different or updated. They even talked about having “a live team that would add additional content to each zone so players could experience new things in each zone” but it was just that… just talk.

PVP=Stand in a circle to cap it, hold the most circles to win the match.
WvW=Use siege to access circles, stand in circles to cap, hold the most to win the match.

R.i.p. players killing players, welcome to the era of the PPT watchers.

I think you might like this, although it’s more of a picture of what we’ll never get…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Real-tools-for-the-WvW-player/first#post2179363

After a year and we still don’t have a functioning group UI in WvW…. don’t expect a whole lot.

I think the lack of consequential WvW changes (not updates, but real changes) is really starting to grate on players. :-/ I’ve been playing random other MMOs and FPSs lately to get a break from the monotony.

Sirendor.1394:

Obscure One.4357:

gonna need a couple more to figure it out: WvW 2015!

More likely -> GW2 = WoW in 2015, the way they’re going right now.

The importantly sad thing here is, they would be juuuuust fine w/ this.

I’ve lost all faith and w/ that, comes no support.

F2P FTW. Not getting any more of my $$ for gems.

I’ll log on once a month and go… yep, same kitten. Nothings changed.

Yeah, I stopped spending money in the gem store once I stopped seeing WvW updates.

The sad thing is that they have the talent and the creativity to create the most awesome WvW experience for people looking to experience the best thing RvR can offer, but nope. They could easily provide an experience that would pull people from other games since there is currently no real competition in this sector.

Guess we will have to wait for Camelot Unchained.

OP there is no point in adding your suggestions here. Even if you manage to get the attention of a developer it will just be the same ’ol “We would really like to do this but it takes time”, i.e. the same thing they have said about everything since launch.

Instead of making real, meaningful changes to WvW they have gone the route of adding a meaningless and shallow power grind to keep people playing WvW, and apparently it’s successfull because the amount of people in WvW is rising.

Playing GW2 right now is like looking at a friend or relative that turned to drugs. So much wasted potential, yet you stay around because you hope that maybe, just maybe all hope is not lost.

Well, they might be incapable of coming up with any new and unique ideas when it comes to WvW, so anything is better than nothing at this point.

Are you guys kidding… I guess you already forgot people flying around the maps, porting through walls, portal gunning into keeps, killing keep lords through walls, shooting arrowcarts through walls, and blinking through walls. I am sure there is more I missed just on fixes we also have traps, wvw skills, culling ajust, player cap increase, and soon some shiny new mechanics. Those talking about next rvr game your kidding right gw2 has years more dev time and tons more revenue than those flavor of the month games people talk about. Even if a game comes out with flawless almost every thing it won’t make any diff Gw2 came out at the perfect time(Tech leap) with the perfect playstyle(a game you actually play). Now I am not saying don’t leave (I would like cheaper gems) I am just saying we will see you when you get back.

edit: remembers another used down skills to get into hills, that pets/clones could climb walls and kill siege, and revived/ported people through water gate in bay.

More additions: they made siege trade able

I keep seeing this same complaint. It doesn’t help to post this every other day.

This game is not marketed as “WvW only”. Try out some of the other stuff. You might enjoy it. I don’t play for content only. I play to play with my friends. Make more friends and they can make any thing enjoyable.

You’re absolutely right Avatar of Belle, the game is currently being marketed as a “Play how you want to but we are only making patches that contain PVE content with every patch”

If they want to please their WvW players, we need WvW content updates as well. Not just PVE all the time, especially not when it’s temporary.

I love the team, I love the graphics, I love the combat, I hate the lack of WvW content.

“dont play our game for what you came here for ONLY….”

LOL what? Who says that to their customers?

Oh wait…people that have no clue how to improve wvw.

Our small skirmish guild is effectively dead. We have two active WvW members left. Granted most of us have put in well over 1k hours into the game but stale WvW and boring PvE has pushed our members into other games. Hopefully a big patch will hit and bring them back course with the latest class changes to WvW I have been thinking it is time for a break.

Straegen.2938:

Our small skirmish guild is effectively dead. We have two active WvW members left. Granted most of us have put in well over 1k hours into the game but stale WvW and boring PvE has pushed our members into other games. Hopefully a big patch will hit and bring them back course with the latest class changes to WvW I have been thinking it is time for a break.

For anyone who has a brain that patch would have to involve the increase of aoe cap and some fixing of downed state, if not totally removed.

Since you guys were small skirmish guild it prolly wasn’t that large to start and It was most likely your program that caused them to stop playing. My guild is pvx and there are events every night with skirmish most nights after. To be fair one nights events are in other games, but lets be honest gw2 is a kittening amazing game and this is just the start.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

I keep seeing this same complaint. It doesn’t help to post this every other day.

This game is not marketed as “WvW only”. Try out some of the other stuff. You might enjoy it. I don’t play for content only. I play to play with my friends. Make more friends and they can make any thing enjoyable.

I have tried pve. don’t enjoy it. I have PVE friends but I still don’t enjoy it. That is not to say that I never PVE, but I do it very rarely. I don’t want to be force to do it, that’s all.

I have only ever enjoyed PVE in raid form. Raids where a strong group of 20-40 people learn how to play together and communicate in a way that benefits all involed. End-game mass group content like the same exact dragon every 4 hours just doesn’t cut it.

At 100% world complete, doing anything in PVE is just repeating what you have already accomplished on your main to the point that making an ALT is just like going through the same content over again.

PVP however is much more involving as you know it’s a real player and real skill at hand. Fighting in a battle that is unpredictable is what maed WvW so much fun.

Let’s take our WvW zerg and open the temples guys.

I don’t remember anything else where you you need a large group.

A large majority of the GOOD gw2 players quit long ago, they are the smart ones. Why play a dull and mindless game that offers nothing? There isn’t even a GvG system when the kitten game is called Guild Wars 2. The failure of allocating resources and distributing them well, is what gw2 downfall is going to be inevitably. The idea of WvW was GREAT and never seen before, but, they fumbled it. Another company will pick it up and created a better system if they are smart, hopefully they read these forums, people post what they want…

Yeah, on Jade Quarry we had a lot of really large guilds from the good old days of DAoC. The ones that still exist have dwindled quite a bit and some guilds have left entirely. That is not to say that the population has suffered, it’s that our hope for WvW has faded into oblivion.

WvW really needs to start experiencing monthly updates from a dedicated team otherwise the WvW playerbase is going to cease to exist.

We want to see it succeed, we want to see players quit w/e they are playing to enjoy WvW but at this moment, Anet’s constant promises mean nothing without discussions or previews.

Creaky.8596:

Yeah, on Jade Quarry we had a lot of really large guilds from the good old days of DAoC. The ones that still exist have dwindled quite a bit and some guilds have left entirely. That is not to say that the population has suffered, it’s that our hope for WvW has faded into oblivion.

WvW really needs to start experiencing monthly updates from a dedicated team otherwise the WvW playerbase is going to cease to exist.

We want to see it succeed, we want to see players quit w/e they are playing to enjoy WvW but at this moment, Anet’s constant promises mean nothing without discussions or previews.

I wish I could give a gold in here, the way I can in reddit. If I could, I would definitely gold coin this.

Aww thanks so much.

King Amadaeus.8619:

PVP=Stand in a circle to cap it, hold the most circles to win the match.
WvW=Use siege to access circles, stand in circles to cap, hold the most to win the match.

R.i.p. players killing players, welcome to the era of the PPT watchers.

haha, u described it well.

to op hang in there, its coming “soon”

salluks.6017:

King Amadaeus.8619:

PVP=Stand in a circle to cap it, hold the most circles to win the match.
WvW=Use siege to access circles, stand in circles to cap, hold the most to win the match.

R.i.p. players killing players, welcome to the era of the PPT watchers.

haha, u described it well.

to op hang in there, its coming “soon”

Indeed.

But on the bright side there’s no sub fee and all the content they release is bad, so we can all go play the good games that’re out while ANet attempts to get their #%&@ together. Aside from the Super Adventure Box, I haven’t had fun in PvE outside of doing the early Charr personal story content, so I’ll be back for that in this next update…but WvW? Meh, I only show up to attend/spectate GvGs or roam and wreck kids, nothing else about WvW is done well enough to justify my time which is better spent doing something entertaining.

Straegen.2938:

Our small skirmish guild is effectively dead. We have two active WvW members left. Granted most of us have put in well over 1k hours into the game but stale WvW and boring PvE has pushed our members into other games. Hopefully a big patch will hit and bring them back course with the latest class changes to WvW I have been thinking it is time for a break.

That is how Anet rewards pvpers. The sooner you ditch the game and move on the better. Why reward a company that ignores your needs but still takes your money?

Meglobob.8620:

But Devon has said new stuffs on the way…

As he is saying since the release of the game last year..

Well in a few weeks we will see the very first WvW content update, by them revamping Borderlands.
Check that out. It’s atleast baby steps for a game mode that till a few months ago only had a life support team on it.

The only so called major changes are not planned until after December!

WvW is the black sheep of GW2, it takes time to make a map, 6 months min to test a map, then there’s all the hacks and exploits some of which are still in the game.

I get the feeling that WvW is too time consuming to cater for properly, hence why we are only getting updates every 6 months instead of 2 weeks.

So OP, check back in January, but dont raise your hopes it will be a big change.

Creaky.8596:

WvW really needs to start experiencing monthly updates from a dedicated team otherwise the WvW playerbase is going to cease to exist.

Yeah I’ve mentioned several times, the only reason I still play GW2 is because of the guild I am in, otherwise I would have stopped playing months ago!
It’s great that PvE players get new content every 2 weeks, but as we already know WvW and PvP suffer from this as in order to do that they need as many people working on that content; meaning little to no content for the rest of us.

Jscull.2514:

“dont play our game for what you came here for ONLY….”

LOL what? Who says that to their customers?

Oh wait…people that have no clue how to improve wvw.

its called sanbox (next gen mmo), but ncsoft wont allow that.
GW2 scheme is outdated and impossible to improve.

I quit my Guild and WvW a couple months ago because WvW is repetitive. I only pop in to check out the new PVE stuff when it comes out, see thakittens mostly more grind for superficial stuff, and log out.

Your ideas were noted. Thank you for your feedback.

Fuzzion.2504:

Your ideas were noted. Thank you for your feedback.

If you want to chop trees and build stuff, go play Minecraft.
In WvW you kill kitten. IJS.

urzen.7096:

I quit my Guild and WvW a couple months ago because WvW is repetitive. I only pop in to check out the new PVE stuff when it comes out, see thakittens mostly more grind for superficial stuff, and log out.

The inevitable fate of GW2. Devs just coming up with ways to squeeze the money before ppl quit a now stale game.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Add Fist of the Empire to the list of guilds that have stopped playing, for all reasons you listed here.

Think of an elephant…
Walking under a tree…
Now, think of a minuscule leaf falling from the tree…
Then, think of that very leaf falling onto the back of the elephant as he wanders by…

I’d hazard a guess it would take the largest branch from the canopy to fall in front of the elephant before he slows slightly, and walks around it.

Get it?

So, PAXA gonna come back to try out leagues? Saw a few of your guys in WvW today o.o

Banzie.5248:

So, PAXA gonna come back to try out leagues? Saw a few of your guys in WvW today o.o

Show us where Anet is inc the aoe cap, removing downed state, or making increasing wxp player kill-based.

Does the leagues “update” have that?

Creaky.8596:

Guess we will have to wait for Camelot Unchained.

FFXIV:ARR is going to add in a RvR game mode. Not sure if it will be good, but I’d start leveling now if that remotely interests you. It’s a long road.

Oh and I suppose ESO will have one too, again, not sure if it’ll be any good though.

XII.9401:

urzen.7096:

I quit my Guild and WvW a couple months ago because WvW is repetitive. I only pop in to check out the new PVE stuff when it comes out, see thakittens mostly more grind for superficial stuff, and log out.

The inevitable fate of GW2. Devs just coming up with ways to squeeze the money before ppl quit a now stale game.

I don’t mind playing through the PVE story stuff. Its still an adventure. But WVW was supposed to be something you keep coming back to. If they never change it, people move on.

Amins.3710:

Sirendor.1394:

Obscure One.4357:

gonna need a couple more to figure it out: WvW 2015!

More likely -> GW2 = WoW in 2015, the way they’re going right now.

The importantly sad thing here is, they would be juuuuust fine w/ this.

I’ve lost all faith and w/ that, comes no support.

F2P FTW. Not getting any more of my $$ for gems.

I’ll log on once a month and go… yep, same kitten. Nothings changed.

Bro..bro…..bro….CU