Guild Wars 2

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/3

This is the last week we played on Gunnar’s Hold. After sitting in a WvW meeting for 4 hours listening to 30/40 guilds talk empty words and the same 6-7 guilds showed up for the actual push at 6 AM as always.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/4

We spent the next 3 days scouting Blacktide. Despite Blacktide losing by 60k to Desolation at the time, we (those 6-7 guilds showing up for actual pushes) still transferred on Monday – some before some after. Middle of the match, but we still made Desolation sweat a little bit when we helped Blacktide close to ~10k.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/5

First week we could play on Blacktide from the beginning. Much drama about this match-up.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/6

Second week we could play on Blacktide from the beginning. Great battle against FSP Russian guilds, which later transferred to Blacktide.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/7

Third week we could play on Blacktide from the beginning, with help of great WvW guilds from FSP, and RG who transferred in the middle of the match, we steamrolled the match-up.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/#EU

Latest match-up in T1.

Summary:
We transferred to a server that was losing it’s match-up. We helped build it up and progress in ranking, as the first and biggest benefit we had some of the best fights GW2 can offer.

Nidhogg.2950:

I do not understand your reference to an older post, and why would I guarantee that KISS wouldnt leave? Im not even in KISS, let alone in a position to make such guarantees. Who would guarantee that a guild wouldnt leave?

Nidhogg @ KISS forums, 18 hours after CIR already transferred to Blacktide
http://www.sickalliance.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3333 (topic deleted after we made an official post that we transferred)

“Several guilds have been approached by the Blacktide guild [Xaoc] to see if they might be interested in transfering to Blacktide. So far the guilds Ive heard about this have declined.

Recently a guild member brought the following post to my attention:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Blacktide-Battle-reports/page/2#post394625

In there the warleader of Unnamed inquires about Blacktide, giving the impression that Unnamed might actually be interested in transfering. Likewise, CIR has let it be known that they are ‘voting about moving server’.

I can assure you that these guilds will not move to Blacktide, whether you feel relieved about that or dissappointed Ill leave up to each of you

For one thing, CIR isnt a democracy,The vote is a sham. They also will not move without the support structure as they do need the very people they look down on.

Should CIR/Unnamed actually transfer to Blacktide then they would not remain there long, Xaoc is different from what they think and I doubt they will feel at home next to a giant like Xaoc.

Since neither CIR/Unnamed are playing in the Russian time zone they also wouldnt benefit much from the Xaoc support.

The reason both guilds spread the rumor they are moving is because they want other guilds to tell them they cannot leave because they are doing such an awesome job. Their leaders have no real intention of leaving, just spreading the word that they might unless Gunnars starts doing things more ‘their way’. Ive been the head diplomat of CIR and if they were truelly moving they wouldnt go about it like this. Communications between them and Blacktide wouldnt be out in the open like this but on comms and internal forums, the public posting proves they will not move. Their leaving would also not impact the server to the degree that they think.

So for better or worse, CIR and Unnamed are here to stay"

Sounds pretty guaranteeing to me, you obviously possess a very in-depth perspective on the guilds you’re speaking for.

Unfortunately, XAOC was exactly what we thought (and in CIR’s case, remembered), and we benefited quite a lot from XAOC support like they benefited from ours. It impacted our old server to the degree we thought, and in a lot shorter timeframe then we thought. No worries tho, I did say you’d figure it out eventually.

For example, I can imagine what happens when a casual PvX EU guild moves to a mid-tier NA server, mid-tier meaning dead in NA off-hours. Should be entertaining, dont forget the mass-mails!

cant be bothered to try sort quotes out from that.

Syndic that match you references the 6am thing for. You forgetting that some of us players stayed online till 6am or beyond so you had something to come on for. We cant do both times ya know.
Infact I stayed till 6.30am, took an entire enemy map and held it, reinforcements never came to map as they wanted to pvdoors instead. Couldnt stay there any longer, but 30minutes later we had lost the entire map of upgraded keeps because the “6am push” didnt want to defend keeps, they wanted to attack them.

It works both ways you know. I can pick up on all the bad you done. It were always going to have an affect on our ranking and guess what we all knew it. If people that cover 1 BL leave and there no replacements then of course the server suffers. The remaining could only cover 2 BLs, done a good job of that infact even though outmanned most times. Doesnt matter what guilds left it be the same, numbers count and when you cant cover a map you own nothing and thus lose a lot of points. And then when you do get to go there you got a tougher fight as it upgraded and defended keeps to deal with.

So please, you werent the be all and end all for gunnars. We have had a very enjoyable time since you left even with loses. But we won some as well. And every match we be outgunned in terms of players in WvW.
The remaining guilds all have good ability but just lack the manpower to get wins. The drop through ranks is nothing to do with your skill or remaining players lack of it. It about numbers and numbers alone.

So sorry to burst your bubble. You may be good, but you are not that good, you were merely one contributing factor to our early success when 24/7 cover was not a necessity. And I know you will disagree with this because you cant accept there were people beyond you contributing, so lets agree to disagree until you go to a server where it is just your “6-7 guilds” vs the 2 other servers and you can prove how you and your friends single handedly can retain a server in tier 4 of the rankings during 7day matches (using just the players your guilds had whilst on gunnars and no more)

:)

Gahn.8150:

How comes it’s always drama when GH is involved in a thread?

Less moaning, more Wv3.

Actualy the drama queens are only few guys from CIR who left gunnars hold a month a go. If you look closely in every topic about gunnars they are here bashing, no matter what is about, even if you open a topic “Hello Gunnars Hold”, one of the first five post is one of theirs.
Example this post, is not about his guild or even their server… yet they are here, lol. Just some attention seekers, apparently they where the “core” of the server and now they represent the blacktide server, the entire server… but I dont think the blacktide knows that.

Syndic.4762:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/history/3
<snip>

It’s simply a lack of manpower, not quality.
The quality of players left on G.H. at the very least matches the quality which moved away from G.H. The numerical number in manpower couldn’t be replaced leaving to more transfers as the WvW focused population dwindles.

It’s a quantity, not quality game, if focusing on the scoreboard and T1.
Quality can turn a battle, but it cannot turn the war in this game. You need numbers for that, you need more coverage and you need fodder to soak up enemies.
And that’s what differs mainly between T1 and TX.

We saw that in the 1 day match period which differed tremendously from the week matches. Suddenly numbers and coverage became important. PvDoor and night coverage was important. And some couldn’t tolerate that because T1 was the important aspect of the game for them (the war), whereas the individual fight (the battle) was important to others. It was very clear based on the /m and /t chat differences – for example when we fought Blacktide in 1 day matches (G.H. won, people was happy and laughed at the enemy zerg which got run over) and the week match (G.H. lost, people complained, and yet still didn’t have respect for night/morning capping zerg).

I’m a huge advocate for ‘play for your own enjoyment’, so I don’t begrudge people transferring/leaving or staying put – but trying to over-represent the situation and ‘impact’ does not really become anybody. Even if wanting some forum drama or egoboosting.

spiritus.7983:

Gahn.8150:

How comes it’s always drama when GH is involved in a thread?

Less moaning, more Wv3.

Actualy the drama queens are only few guys from CIR who left gunnars hold a month a go. If you look closely in every topic about gunnars they are here bashing, no matter what is about, even if you open a topic “Hello Gunnars Hold”, one of the first five post is one of theirs.
Example this post, is not about his guild or even their server… yet they are here, lol. Just some attention seekers, apparently they where the “core” of the server and now they represent the blacktide server, the entire server… but I dont think the blacktide knows that.

I have friends on Gunnar’s Hold, man. It used to be my home server until a couple of weeks ago. Ofcourse I’m interested in what happens to it.

And no, we don’t “represent” Blacktide. Well, we’re representative for Blacktide, but we don’t represent all of Blacktide, if that makes any sense.

Sorry to hear GH is losing people. Personally they earned my respect for their ability to put up a fight against pretty bad odds. And after two weeks of fighting them (from Piken) and Abbadon’s Mouth, you start seeing the differences. I don’t mean to gloat or to offend, but AB, for their numbers and coordonation, are a tragedy in WvW.
Anyway, I hope they do something about server transfers. I think AN should really keep an eye on guilds that migrate like birds from server to server, and I’m not talking about the ones who do it because of long queues. It’s a shame to make WvW a kittenhouse for victory addicts.

AG had this hardship a few weeks go thanks to transfers but we have now become a stronger server with server comms, better commanders, server forums etc. we dropped a few places but now we are standing on better foundations. GH will be fine within time and you may find your server better off.

1 step backwards 2 forward ?

levelnine.7036:

LOL’d at cir and thun being core of GH. you cant be serious.

i bet its quite easy to be in t1, especially when you’re carried there by russian guilds.
and you know, if you leave BT there wont be much of a difference, since majority of FS guilds transferred there not so long ago.

It’s these kind of posts that just tick me off so bad. People who have no idea what’s going on, take posts/threads completely out of context and then hop on the hate bandwagon just because they heard some hearsay crap and take it for facts.

The guilds that left Gunnar’s Hold were part of the core, like it or not. They were guilds that showed up every day to WvW in an organised manner and drove the war effort forward. Were they the only ones in WvW? No, obviously they werent. But random PUG zergs or small guilds that play inconsistently have far lesser impact than experienced WvW guilds that are all in contact via teamspeak and strategically move the pieces across the board in order to best deal with the situation.

These guilds left because they got tired of trying to convince some narcist that it would be better for everyone if they also cooperated, with the narcist constantly declining because he didn’t like “people telling him what to do”. They got tired of being the only consistent organized force on the server, and having to rely on PUG zergs and fair-weather commanders who only showed up after these guilds worked their fingers to the bone to gain a score advantage, and who whined, complained and/or left whenever the going got rough.

We noticed the situation on Blacktide, realized the potential and moved after everyone unanimously voted ‘yes’. Blacktide wasn’t a winning server. We lost the first matchup. However it was the most fun matchup we experienced up until then, simply because of the organisation and the fighting spirit. Things we missed on Gunnar’s Hold.

Blacktide is an extremely WvW focused server. Noone on Blacktide is carrying anyone, everyone is cooperating and we all realize we wouldn’t be anywhere without eachother.

That’s what WvW is about. That’s what makes WvW fun. And that’s why Blacktide is in Tier1 and why Gunnar’s Hold dropped 3~4 tiers when the organised guilds left.

Look, I’m not mocking Gunnar’s Hold for being in a lower tier. You guys are just not as committed to WvW, and that’s fine. But realize how damaging that “meh” attitude is to people who are committed, and that it can be a reason for people to leave.

I honestly don’t know what went on back then in GH but having fought them two weeks in a row, they don’t fit the description you gave, in fact it’s quite the opposite. Plus considering your post is a long whine about how you carried everyone but GH was bad and that drove you to move away, and laughably to one of the top ranked servers, I’m more inclined to believe you are full of crap, but you don’t really have to care about that, what you need to start doing is to develop some kitten manners and stop saying crap about GH cause for a server with such a disatvantage they do quite well.

Nidhogg.2950:

Snort.3698:

Its a language thing.

Misrepresent refers to other, non guildies in this context.

Ah allright, thanks. You have represented Blacktide, Unnamed and yourself here now very well so that should clear up misunderstandings.

Im sorry if you felt your guild was disrespected in this thread. Hope this puts it to rest and that the discussion stays on topic now.

That’s cool with me.

Nemo.6295:

I honestly don’t know what went on back then in GH but having fought them two weeks in a row, they don’t fit the description you gave, in fact it’s quite the opposite. Plus considering your post is a long whine about how you carried everyone but GH was bad and that drove you to move away, and laughably to one of the top ranked servers, I’m more inclined to believe you are full of crap, but you don’t really have to care about that, what you need to start doing is to develop some kitten manners and stop saying crap about GH cause for a server with such a disatvantage they do quite well.

If you want I can direct you to almost identical “blame the others, because we must be the bestest” post from their WARhammer campaign, where they eventually left, after being hammered. Interesting enough, their main tactic there, was “lets create the bigger zerg”. Acceptable tactic of course, when coordination doesnt allow other options. Hopefully Saccy has given you some advice. On a sidenote, oh how much I would have loved to pit against RG as well :-D would have been awesome hehe.

@Scribbles.7493
actually i know whats going on, since im checking russian forums from time to time. and i’ve played with you while you were still on GH.

also, we’ve started dropping tiers with you still on board. do you remeber dat elona/kodash match-up?

im not saying that your guilds is a bunch of nabs or something like that, dont get me wrong. i mean that BT would become t1 without you, and GH would drop down tiers even with you on board. since this game is not about skill or commitment to something.
this game is about 24/7 coverage. if you dont have one – you will lose.

Scribbles drop it please mate. Leave us be.
We have both lost and won with you. We lost without you but hey we have won some also.
Trying to prove why Blacktide is a tier 1 server and why GH is many tiers below simply doesn’t interest anyone here and frankly i don’t care about that also.
You seem more than happy there and that is what matters.

I simply don’t get why you guys come back at a post that isn’t about your guild nor you server.

Nemo.6295:

I honestly don’t know what went on back then in GH but having fought them two weeks in a row, they don’t fit the description you gave, in fact it’s quite the opposite. Plus considering your post is a long whine about how you carried everyone but GH was bad and that drove you to move away, and laughably to one of the top ranked servers, I’m more inclined to believe you are full of crap, but you don’t really have to care about that, what you need to start doing is to develop some kitten manners and stop saying crap about GH cause for a server with such a disatvantage they do quite well.

Tier 6 isn’t really that representative for how well a server holds up in WvW. It’s kind of the drop off point where you either face servers that are underpopulated, don’t care about WvW at all, or view it as something to do for monthly achievements or rainy days when you can’t find a dungeon group.

The rest of your post is just filled with false statements or out of context observations from someone who needs to put in their $0.02 when they have no idea what they’re talking about.

Scribbles drop it please mate. Leave us be.
We have both lost and won with you. We lost without you but hey we have won some also.
Trying to prove why Blacktide is a tier 1 server and why GH is many tiers below simply doesn’t interest anyone here and frankly i don’t care about that also.
You seem more than happy there and that is what matters.

I simply don’t get why you guys come back at a post that isn’t about your guild nor you server.

I don’t hate or disrespect any of you, I just don’t like it when my guild gets brought up in a negative way by people who have no idea what they’re talking about.

I hope you guys all have fun in WvW, because at the end of the day, having fun is what really matters.

These guys seriously believe theyre the king-pins of pvp hehehe.

@Any ANet mod.

Can you please clear out the trash in this thread that has nothing to do with what the OP intended the thread for i.e every post from Blacktide/CiR & even some from me, I know I took the trolls bait & I’m sorry for that.

So please clear this thread up & get it back on topic.

Thanks Mushy

@Scribbles

He actually knows what is he talking about.
The observations he made was exactly what was going on at GH after you left.
Outmaned always but with a fighting spirit, defending keeps, towers and posts against impossible odds but never running from a battle or jumping maps to see which one offers less resistance.

killimandros.5087:

These guys seriously believe theyre the king-pins of pvp hehehe.

If there were only some sort of empirical measure, a scoring system or something like that.
Then we could see how things stand. Perhaps a ranking of servers to see where people are relative to each other.
Then using these facts rather than hyperbole we could come to some conclusions. I know, there was a site that Syndic used in his post,

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/

Scribbles.7493:

<snip>
That’s what WvW is about. That’s what makes WvW fun. And that’s why Blacktide is in Tier1 and why Gunnar’s Hold dropped 3~4 tiers when the organised guilds left.
<snip>

G.H. didn’t drop tiers because organized guilds left, but because hundreds of players left. Could be hundred of PUG/unguilded WvW players and the result would pretty much have been the same.

Manpower left, and that hurt the coverage even more.

So on topic then. Free transfers.

Do you really think free transfers are the problem? because in my opinion, they are not. They’re the solution, and that’s the reason they’re still available after all this time.

Do you think a 3 month limit per transfer would stop people from transfering away from a dead end situation? Because I honestly doubt it. Say you are an extremely dedicated PvE person who enjoys roaming dynamic events and beating them through cooperation, but you’ve rolled on a server where everyone is constantly in the mists. Would you stay and gradually get more and more bored, or would you transfer to a server community with likeminded people?

Again, they could make it a ‘once in a lifetime only’ deal, and people would still take it.

I’ll admit that the transfer system is flawed. It allowed and still allows people to do things that are detrimental to the game. however, demanding free transfers be removed or severely limited because you want to force people to play the game your way is just egoistical.

You know, it goes both ways. Personally I’ve seen nothing but more or less passive agressive behaviour towards the ex-GH guilds. Also, CIR, ThUn and DkR were part of the core of GH even before release through The Initiative. Sure, now you have new core (part of which originates from the old core), but that doesn’t mean the old one never existed

On topic: Did this really need two threads lol

Snort.3698:

killimandros.5087:

These guys seriously believe theyre the king-pins of pvp hehehe.

If there were only some sort of empirical measure, a scoring system or something like that.
Then we could see how things stand. Perhaps a ranking of servers to see where people are relative to each other.
Then using these facts rather than hyperbole we could come to some conclusions. I know, there was a site that Syndic used in his post,

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/

Not to be an kitten but in the heat of moment, I personally know about quite a few guilds better organized and player by player than both CiR and unnamed. Not counting in the vast majority of players guilds in gw, that I dont know about. Youve always relied on the zerg, which is, as I mentioned an acceptable tactic. It doesnt make you any special though. All guilds can transfer up the ladders. Theres no restriction to that. Theres no test one have to pass. And what is quite amuzing me, is that you come here to the gunnar holds server to claim acknowledge of your abilities, which makes me believe you are probably not much else than cannon-fodder to saccy and chaos, amirite?

killimandros.5087:

Snort.3698:

killimandros.5087:

These guys seriously believe theyre the king-pins of pvp hehehe.

If there were only some sort of empirical measure, a scoring system or something like that.
Then we could see how things stand. Perhaps a ranking of servers to see where people are relative to each other.
Then using these facts rather than hyperbole we could come to some conclusions. I know, there was a site that Syndic used in his post,

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/

Not to be an kitten but in the heat of moment, I personally know about quite a few guilds better organized and player by player than both CiR and unnamed. Not counting in the vast majority of players guilds in gw, that I dont know about. Youve always relied on the zerg, which is, as I mentioned an acceptable tactic. It doesnt make you any special though. All guilds can transfer up the ladders. Theres no restriction to that. Theres no test one have to pass. And what is quite amuzing me, is that you come here to the gunnar holds server to claim acknowledge of your abilities, which makes me believe you are probably not much else than cannon-fodder to saccy and chaos, amirite?

I am pretty sure your qualified to judge, you many successes speak for themselves.

In an earlier post I mentioned issues with GH, one was that a number of guilds there didnt understand the concept of mass pvp as it exists in this game at this time(thats is not to say it should not change)

You post is indicative of that shortcoming but not representative of GH.

As for our place on Blacktide, you would have to ask the other guilds.

As for how we do against other guilds, as we moved up the tiers we have yet to be rofl stomped but along with Naplolean I have always believed it is better to be lucky than to be good.

The vast majority left on GH are decent people, a tiny, tiny few talk the talk but…….

My favorite philosopher comes to mind when I am trolled in the manner you have.

Good luck to all on GH.

@Genev Thanks Genev for explaining that CIR isnt here to seek confirmation on awesomeness from their previous server :-)

@Syndic Oh my, isnt my face red? you found that old post on KISS private forums that I made shortly before CIR transfered to blacktide.

After that post was made many people on Gunnars Hold laughed about it, Im sure that you reposting it will cause much hilarity again :-(

Old friend, Im happy to see that CIR has fun on the new server, but despite our recent loss of our comrades in KISS we still do not begrudge you your move to Blacktide, Ive read the many positive things that are written about CIR in the Blacktide threads so it seems they are as happy with you as you are with them.

But CIR moved on some weeks past, we are now leagues away from you. This thread was meant to debate the leaving of KISS and the consequences for Gunnars Hold.

Summarized:

- KISS and others have left, diminishing a server that already had difficulty filling all borderlands. Most of Gunnars hold no ill wil against KISS, we will miss them. both because of what they brought in WvW and the great collection of people they have proven to be.

- Gunnars Hold will continue, servers rise and fall all the time. Thun and CIR have pointed out how influential transfers can be. Darkademic pointed out that loyalty to bits rather then community is rather pointless. Gunnars Hold Community will stick with our own people till the end.

We have great fighters and commanders. The coming weeks will be tough. But on the upside, we have no queues and have been used to fighting from an underdog position for a long time now.

I do not pity Gunnars Hold, it will be tough but the fights are still fun. I pity our friends on Piken Square more, they fought very hard and are now being forced to queue for their borderlands because many people jumped over to them.

The only people causing aggro for anyone is the people of CiR. Why cant you guys leave everyone alone, and saying kiss moved to be carried? your so funny Syndic. you put a smile on my face everyday buddy.

Please leave the gunnars community alone so they can recoup

Good luck to gunnars hold.

This topic has long derailed!

Farewell [KISS] and have fun wherever you might go, as it’s suppose to be in a game!

/close topic!

ahh self proclaimed “core” guilds and arbitrary numbers … if they play as they troll its no loss tbh.

Gunners hold was never a bad WvW server, but we did seem to get hit really hard in pvp match ups. Like when we got hit by 2 german servers who didn’t fight each other only us.

I think the tipping point atm was fighting pikens for a 2nd week, who are really aggressive and well lead. and two weeks of that I think people are just waiting out matchup.

as for KISS and the rest, meh. they just took the easy way out. free transfers need to be fix’d..

how do I report this? because this thread is not about informing this and that about kiss, aparently is about CIR.

To all Gunnars Hold members, please do not opend another thread about our server, ever again. Apparently will be soon transformed in “about CIR” and how they carry not only our server and blacktide server, soon or later ArenaNet itself wont survive without CIR.
/end post

Disaproval posted:
“KISS fought hard for gunnars for 2 months + since CIR, ThUN & DKR bailed to a high ranked server.”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/KISS-leaving-Gunnars-Hold/first

Xandax posted:
“Also when we had day matches, we won most of what we came up against – Blacktide for example was defeated.”, with a mention of guilds coming from WAR (and other games) right before that.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Gunners-Hold-Kiss-leaving-and-the-consequences/first#post699718

In his original topic on his forums (which are down now apparently. Also, protip: forums are only private if you make them private, the KISS forums are accessible by anyone, registered or not, and thus are public) Disaproval can’t help but mention CIR yet again, even though in no way, shape or form we have any relevance whatsoever to his leaving.

There was also a post in the other thread which had Disaproval telling a guildy? of his who wasn’t leaving “not to let Blacktide get their elitist claws into you, because before you know it you’re washing dishes” (might’ve been worded different, but it was about Blacktide, elitist claws and washing dishes, the post is gone now)

All of this, before we even got involved in the topic, except for my post in the matchup thread which was just informing people of what i found out, plus a little lol at the end.

Besdies this, we have been referred to repeatedly as “easymode quitters” “desperate for a win” (which IS an insult, sorry to say), and similar things. Wherever Disaproval psots, he can’t help but attacking us, wherever a member of GH posts, they can’t help but gloat about how organised and awesome they are despite the evil quitters.

People talk about us, so we have every right to come in here and go “Sup guys?”. And if you’re going to attack, then we have every right to attack right back.

When we were on GH, we spent a lot of time in WvW, and I, together with a lot of other people, grumbled that we felt nothing was getting done if we werent there. Then we heard about the WvW meetings which spent tons of time not really acheiving anything, and ending in a few guilds and people having to organise the WvW between themselves, and Disaproval with his kitten attitude happened, and even though i felt hesitant about going to a “Russian” server, i simply didn’t see why we should stay. And i usually have a severe case of server loyalty.
We left for, funnily enough, the same reason KISS left – the server didn’t work out for us.

Sure, GH shaped up after we left, but because you had no choice. Most (not all) of the people who spent tons of time in WvW, getting stuff done in a nice and organised way, were out. GH might not be competitive, or “care about rankings”, but at the same time, nobody likes to drop to the bottom of the pile (no offense to the bottom servers).

That’s what happened, GH had to get organised because most of the organised people got sick of the server. Not some mystical happy fairytale where the evil bears left the forest allowing the poor oppressed denizens to show their worth at last.

Also, the guild i’m in is CIR. If you want, you can call it cir, but going “CiR” makes no sense. I’m not going to go and call KISS KiSs, or some similar weird stuff.
Just felt i had to point that out.

But I like “CiR”. It looks cool.

I’ll stop posting in this thread now. I’ve said what I wanted to say, people replied. All that can follow now is more drama. best of luck to Gunnar’s Hold. Keep fighting and never surrender!

There seems to be quite a few people posting on this thread that do not play on Gunnars Hold, do not intend to move here, by inference are only looking to damage the server reputation and are using paper-thin arguments as thinly veiled attempts to elicit a heated response from others.

If these people are unable to cease this type of posting I suggest a moderator locks the thread and sanctions the trolls.

Gunnars pop would like you to take your mouth where your characters are. From the current WvW population hardly anyone remembers you and we dont need drama in our threads. You are a thing of the past, let it be.

Nidhogg.2950:

Roo for example start before the crack of dawn with choir practise, which is a reference to a movie I dont know apparantly.

It’s this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjhIa-YpL8A#t=3m16s

It would appear we’ve had some people joining the server from Far Shiverpeaks. Welcome to our new comrades, I hope you chaps have a good time here

Genev.2450:

Disaproval posted:
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Also, the guild i’m in is CIR. If you want, you can call it cir, but going “CiR” makes no sense. I’m not going to go and call KISS KiSs, or some similar weird stuff.
Just felt i had to point that out.

With this final gem, I think most readers, unfamilier with internal Gunnars affairs, can see how petty this whole thing is.

Oh, and mods, just close this kitten thing already. Been derailed to heck and it’s not gonna get any better.

Preffering my guild name to be spelled correctly is petty? I would have the same reaction to anything, and even resisted doing the same for people consistently spelling the full name of GH wrong.
I dislike spelling names of communities wrong, regardless of whether i belong to them or not, i’m funny like that