Guild Wars 2

After less than 24 hours do I see 1 matchup in NA and 1 matchup in Euro that are even remotely close?
Or maybe if I squint it could grow to 2-3 more?

Tier 6 in EU seems like the most fun.

I dont see how you can relate the scores to fun. It only shows how much 24/7 population the servers have in comparison.

Malediktus.9250:

I dont see how you can relate the scores to fun. It only shows how much 24/7 population the servers have in comparison.

Not the score, but the map. Evenly devided and a layout for great fights. But it looks like it, doesn’t have to be it.

Tier 2 and 3 are very interesting to follow, because of the gold league implications.

SBI did not expect to beat the nr.1 server in NA – yet they are not 600ppt ing us and we have good fights.

So – the score being close is irrelevant for the interest level in a matchup

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Hopefully ANET does the right thing here.

style.6173:

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Seems SBI, SoS, Mag and even FA want to, according to the way they fight. Uneven matchup means that your people on the map are there for the right reason, lower queues and more fights to be had, against powerful enemies.

Why would I want to be elsewhere ?

bllius.9027:

that are even remotely close?

BP vs. IOJ = always a tight one
u jelly?

with such reduced transfers, people should really consider joining us.
(as long as they coordinate as to not off-set the balance too much)

style.6173:

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Hopefully ANET does the right thing here.

Perhaps the right thing is to force uneven matchups so that those who stacked in T1 are encouraged to spread out to other servers — because it sure isn’t happening by itself.

Why does T1 population have to spread out? Because if WvW dies in the lower tiers (which is happening, slowly), there won’t be enough people playing WvW for Anet to bother supporting it.

Match-ups are broken, since the launch, but it got worse when they implemented random match-ups, not per tier. Personally I refrained from going into WvW, unless when I felt like solo-roaming on hours when there weren’t any blobs about OR when I got the chance to join in with a group of up to 5 other players to roam and fight against/escape from zergs. That’s the only real competitive PvP there still is in WvW.

Zerg vs. Zerg is barely PvP at all and Blob vs. Blob is even worse. Most of the time though it’s Huge Blob vs. Zerg or Zerg vs. 5-man. Barely balanced and barely a fair competition. I hope changes are being thought of, because this is certainly not what I bought this game for.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Because if WvW dies in the lower tiers (which is happening, slowly), there won’t be enough people playing WvW for Anet to bother supporting it.

Wouldn’t that mean a lot less resources they’d have to set aside to keep updating it?
…and a greater likelyhood that everyone wanting even-matchups would then finally settle for sPvP that they’ve obviously been putting the lion’s share of their Skill balancing around? They’ve already got this bloodlust arena to prepare WvW’ers for that transition ….gee, sounds like a win-win situation for Anet…. you might even say exactly as planned

ilr.9675:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Because if WvW dies in the lower tiers (which is happening, slowly), there won’t be enough people playing WvW for Anet to bother supporting it.

Wouldn’t that mean a lot less resources they’d have to set aside to keep updating it?

I think there’s some point where the player-hours would be insufficient to justify spending dev time on the game mode.

ilr.9675:

…and a greater likelyhood that everyone wanting even-matchups would then finally settle for sPvP that they’ve obviously been putting the lion’s share of their Skill balancing around? They’ve already got this bloodlust arena to prepare WvW’ers for that transition ….gee, sounds like a win-win situation for Anet…. you might even say exactly as planned

This is truth. Too bad Anet is in serious denial that sPvP will become an esport.

I notice the server Devon will be going to was matched to the point where they couldn’t gain rank to slip into silver. Typically I would laugh something like this off as a conspiracy theory, but, its Devon after all and he will want to be top of bronze so he can explain how super great his league idea was.

Lord Kuru.3685:

style.6173:

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Hopefully ANET does the right thing here.

Perhaps the right thing is to force uneven matchups so that those who stacked in T1 are encouraged to spread out to other servers — because it sure isn’t happening by itself.

Why does T1 population have to spread out? Because if WvW dies in the lower tiers (which is happening, slowly), there won’t be enough people playing WvW for Anet to bother supporting it.

I agree with you. The problem is that the leagues stacked T1 even more. That is the opposite of what we need to happen.

earendil.1290:

style.6173:

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Seems SBI, SoS, Mag and even FA want to, according to the way they fight. Uneven matchup means that your people on the map are there for the right reason, lower queues and more fights to be had, against powerful enemies.

Why would I want to be elsewhere ?

and you speak for all those servers how? I seriously doubt many people would prefer to take a beat down every week vs having even matchups.

Lord Kuru.3685:

I think there’s some point where the player-hours would be insufficient to justify spending dev time on the game mode.

Ah, that does sound consistent with that latest reasoning they gave us on why TA Forward/Up was taken completely out of the game….. And why Charr Armor rigging (3D modeling/scaling) has not been scheduled for a re-do ….b/c it’s like the least played race.

((side note: F/U was a lot more popular before anet’s updates caused a bug in it that would spawn a ton of broken adds in the final boss room that didn’t despawn when the party wiped …. so it’s fair to reason its failing patronage had nothing at all to do with its original design & functionality …. same thing applies to the Temple of Balthazar event & other undocumented changes resulting from the “living story”))

style.6173:

earendil.1290:

style.6173:

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Seems SBI, SoS, Mag and even FA want to, according to the way they fight. Uneven matchup means that your people on the map are there for the right reason, lower queues and more fights to be had, against powerful enemies.

Why would I want to be elsewhere ?

and you speak for all those servers how? I seriously doubt many people would prefer to take a beat down every week vs having even matchups.

I’m relying on scores and presence. Any of those 4 servers could just throw the towel to get into silver for sure. None seems to do it – check the scores.

I really don’t care anymore about the match ups. You play who you get, kind of like in sports. You play who is on your schedule. Go out there, and do the best you can.

Unlike in sports, winning pretty or ugly and losing pretty or ugly, does make a difference in your standings.

I will never truly comprehend how there algorithm works for server rankings, nor do I really want to waste my brain cells on something that crazy.

earendil.1290:

style.6173:

earendil.1290:

style.6173:

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Seems SBI, SoS, Mag and even FA want to, according to the way they fight. Uneven matchup means that your people on the map are there for the right reason, lower queues and more fights to be had, against powerful enemies.

Why would I want to be elsewhere ?

and you speak for all those servers how? I seriously doubt many people would prefer to take a beat down every week vs having even matchups.

I’m relying on scores and presence. Any of those 4 servers could just throw the towel to get into silver for sure. None seems to do it – check the scores.

Well, if you read the comments in forums from these servers, they all seem to want into gold league, cause they don’t find +600 all week to be fun, just like t1 doesn’t find playing a t2 server to be fun. Imagine t1 playing 2 t3 or t4 servers? How fun do you think that is? Or what about EB in their matchup this week, where they were ticking over +700 at one point.

I am on SBI, and would rather get spanked in gold, than dominate silver. I have had a blast against SoS and SoR this week. There have been some epic fights on SoS BL (over hills on reset night, garrison on both nights), and on saturday night, we were having a blast fighting the SoR zerg in their BL.

Sure, we will lose to SoR, but kitten it is fun.

As far as leagues, everyone wants to win, but you also have the meta achievement and stuff to do. If this brings out a lot of PvE players, who want those achievements, then some servers might be able to compete more with that influx of numbers, and there just might be some closer than expected matchups, or upsets.

After all, in t1, when all BLs get queued, it isn’t about numbers anymore, but leadership.

Nuzt.7894:

I notice the server Devon will be going to was matched to the point where they couldn’t gain rank to slip into silver. Typically I would laugh something like this off as a conspiracy theory, but, its Devon after all and he will want to be top of bronze so he can explain how super great his league idea was.

yeah, except that it looks like EB might knock Kaineng to 16th and NSP to 15th..lol. If NSP really wants 15, then they can get it. Or they can try to tank this week and sit in the top of bronze.

Why are points or map coverage or winning a matchup fun?
Just play the game and enjoy it. I really don’t get those who transfer to a more populated server. You can enjoy fights on middle tier without staying in a queue most of the time.

I think you are loosing the point of the thread.

The statement is that World vs. World match-ups are horribly unbalanced, so much that:

• Server A has double the score servers B & C have together.
  This results in:
  - Server C/B not playing at all cause they get rolled over by blobs.
  - Decent WvW players on A decide not to play either because there’s no real competition.

OR

• Sever A & B individually have triple the score server C has.
  This results in:
  - People on server C sitting out the week in PvE
  - People on servers A & B attacking server C and not eachother
  - Decent WvW players on servers A & B not playing again.

FIX IT ALREADY ARENANET!

IMO Arenanet have done this on purpose so that people feel the league system is better.

All along they could have restricted the range of servers you get matched against.

Sirendor.1394:

I think you are loosing the point of the thread.

The statement is that World vs. World match-ups are horribly unbalanced, so much that:

• Server A has double the score servers B & C have together.
  This results in:
  - Server C/B not playing at all cause they get rolled over by blobs.
  - Decent WvW players on A decide not to play either because there’s no real competition.

OR

• Sever A & B individually have triple the score server C has.
  This results in:
  - People on server C sitting out the week in PvE
  - People on servers A & B attacking server C and not eachother
  - Decent WvW players on servers A & B not playing again.

FIX IT ALREADY ARENANET!

Wanna trade caps on C server? Mad Wxp and karma yo!

LunarNacht.8913:

Why are points or map coverage or winning a matchup fun?
Just play the game and enjoy it. I really don’t get those who transfer to a more populated server. You can enjoy fights on middle tier without staying in a queue most of the time.

Well, the game was actually designed for the points, and winning the match. They just didn’t add the population imbalance into their equation when designing it.

earendil.1290:

style.6173:

This week just proves that T1 in NA needs its own league. Does anyone really want to go through 7 weeks of uneven matchups?

Seems SBI, SoS, Mag and even FA want to, according to the way they fight. Uneven matchup means that your people on the map are there for the right reason, lower queues and more fights to be had, against powerful enemies.

Why would I want to be elsewhere ?

That is not true. When SBI was wining there were always a que to EB . Now that we are losing there were little to no que to ay of the maps even on the weekend. Fighting a losing battle at your spawn is only fun for a few hrs before it starts to feel like ground hog day.

Andrew Clear.1750:

I am on SBI, and would rather get spanked in gold, than dominate silver. I have had a blast against SoS and SoR this week. There have been some epic fights on SoS BL (over hills on reset night, garrison on both nights), and on saturday night, we were having a blast fighting the SoR zerg in their BL.

Sure, we will lose to SoR, but kitten it is fun.

As far as leagues, everyone wants to win, but you also have the meta achievement and stuff to do. If this brings out a lot of PvE players, who want those achievements, then some servers might be able to compete more with that influx of numbers, and there just might be some closer than expected matchups, or upsets.

After all, in t1, when all BLs get queued, it isn’t about numbers anymore, but leadership.

For us on SOR this match up is boring as all hell. Looks like WvW will be pretty much dead by Xmas.

For me I don’t mind a boring matchup as long as it isn’t back to back. This match up against SBI and SoS has given me a chance to recharge my batteries, take a short break and even run some pve/dungeons so I can try out new armor sets/builds instead of constantly having to jump into wvw to save a fully upgraded Hills/Bay/Garri.

Despite the desparity I am enjoying fight’s against SBI (when I have the chance). They seem more organised than some of the T2 servers and I’ve had good fights vs them. It does suck that the population limits their fighting potential.

Reminds me of when they announced the end of free transfers.

The didn’t end free transfers you noob.

You can transfer to medium servers for free right now.

Pugs….

^Troll much? There are 4 medium servers in total. Huzzah. What a change. Should really make world transfers free forever.