Guild Wars 2

Xenesis.6389:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

TYLER YES! DBL for redbl and Alpine on blue and green bl.
Give it a shot and see how it goes!

Actually that makes sense, assuming red truly means the lowest ranked and not RNG.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

Appreciate the update on the timeline and the consideration for other options outside of a rotation. Thank you.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

Why not 3 different maps? With or without color rotation for the maps themselves?
I understand that this would be an immense undertaking and would take a considerable amount of time. That said, I think it would be extremely cool to have one team of servers defending DBL, one defending ABL, and then a third theme for another borderland. An archipelago maybe? You guys could think of something.
Anyway, as a massive WvW fan, that’s where my vote would go.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

I think that the desert is a bit harder to defend than alpine. There are cata spots on south outer fire keep (the most recent patch negated one cata spot but created another) and south outer air keep that are impossible to defend on siege. There are some decent cata spots on fire keep inner (between the pillars and diagonal) and then two double cata wall spots on earth keep. There aren’t really any OP cata spots on the alpine keeps though there are many treb spots in camps and towers. I think that the logic that you presented would be better than a rotation and that Green BL should be the desert BL and the other two should be Alpine.

Hellmasker.1649:

Why not 3 different maps? With or without color rotation for the maps themselves?
I understand that this would be an immense undertaking and would take a considerable amount of time. That said, I think it would be extremely cool to have one team of servers defending DBL, one defending ABL, and then a third theme for another borderland. An archipelago maybe? You guys could think of something.
Anyway, as a massive WvW fan, that’s where my vote would go.

Because they don’t have 3 separate home borderland maps, and it takes a year to build one, they just got done making the desert borderlands which they are still trying to tweak.

I didn’t think the mix map was possible with their current tech, so I think it would be great to turn one into the desert bl, preferable the red borderlands as red teams are usually the weakest and could use a little extra help. If anything if it gets more popular they could always change two borderlands to desert and one alpine every quarterly update.

I’m sure down the line, if they ever create another borderland map they would look into making all 3 borderlands different and perhaps a random shuffle of them every week.

Quarterly update is WAAAAY TOO LONG!.
Options:

1. Start each week with Desert and switch 3 or 4 days later with Alpine. Start the next week with Alpine and switch.. etc.

2. Or.. Rotate clockwise with a D,A,D (or A, D, A) each day.

3. Or. Just roll something totally random every couple of days. Imo, unpredictability is best.
.

And just a thought. Why does EB have to be the same map every time? Why not totally mess with us occasionally and throw an Alpine or Desert map in there for a day or so? Or… make it night time and give us torches… or make gliders work for a day… or just be f’ing creative for once. I know people slammed the golem event, but a ton of players returned for that event. The only problem is that it lasted too long. A week is a lifetime in the modern world.

Keep it interesting. The reason WvW is so boring is because it’s so predictable. Stackers always win, maps are the same, blobs every minute, hour, day, week, month and year, rules rarely change, and the same lame decisions by ANET forever… etc etc

I’m so sick of ANET’s inability to think quickly and act the same. You have spent so much time THINKING and NOT DOING that the mmo / RvR world has passed you by. Probably forever. You have great tech but that is all.

WoW can get away with being lost in last millenium because they have millions of people invested in that game. You do not.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

Quarterly rotation is way way way too long!

If you were to bring back DBL for 3 months, that’ll be 3 months during which all those players who came back will go back to other games and us having 50+ queues, even more now with server mergers, for EB!!!

Again your response shows that not much balancing thoughts were put into the DBLs, as the original plan for WvW was to have several maps one rotation, and those maps should obviously be roughly equal to each other.
DBLs were a gimmick, like EOTM, which is where it would be better suited; and WvW getting a proper new balanced map.

If you are sticking to DBL for the meantime it’d be better to go weekly or fortnightly, cos you know most of us hate DBL, do you really think we would want it for 3 months straight?!
Server mergers wont change players’ minds on the DBL, rather you’ll be forcing players to either play on them, wait for an hour or more for EB queue to pop, or leave the game for 3 months!

Jim Hunter.6821:

Yeah I’ve never understood the argument that “the map is boring”. That’s like saying a chess board or soccer field is boring. The map serves a purpose, it works. You can have boring opponents but that’s not the maps fault. The dbl doesn’t work for the game mode, that was the problem.

Agreed, after playing DB and Maguuma (SEA tz) this week they are WAY more fun than I’ve had in T1 against YB, TC or BG.

WvW is actually fun again.

DB and Mag actually want to fight us and actively engage us.

It is so much better playing against guilds and pugmanders that want to fight instead of win PPT.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

If you dare, make a poll asking for whether people want the DBL deleted forever.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

If you dare, make a poll asking for whether people want the DBL deleted forever.

no

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

+1

Want to see both maps at the same time.

More options for people to play what they want.

Grim West.3194:

And just a thought. Why does EB have to be the same map every time? Why not totally mess with us occasionally and throw an Alpine or Desert map in there for a day or so?

First of all, why would you mess with the only map that gets a queue every single night?
Second, they don’t have tech yet to rotate maps whenever they want, it’s a manual process for them to switch the maps, I don’t care for them to change map every day cause some people are “bored”.

Grim West.3194:

Or… make it night time and give us torches… or make gliders work for a day… or just be kitten creative for once. I know people slammed the golem event, but a ton of players returned for that event. The only problem is that it lasted too long. A week is a lifetime in the modern world.

The problem with the golem event wasn’t that it lasted too long it was only a week, it was because of all the exploits and the buff that broke the game mode and Anet ignored everything about it for the entire week.

For the people that want the desert borderland to be trashed and deleted and never return… get over it. They spent a good amount of time developing it, they’re not going to throw it away, it’s going to be in rotation or permanently in with alpine. Get over your hate and help them fix it with reasonable suggestions.

joneirikb.7506:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

+1

Want to see both maps at the same time.

More options for people to play what they want.

ditto

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

Potentially a couple of polls here might be helpful here. Example one set of polls might relate to Home BL maps versus 3 equal sided maps. Others with how a mix would work. One might help define the next in a series. I still worry how many people see the game splash page and how many web hits result from it, so possibly one of those event stars in game like we see for the ESL might increase the number of people being polled.
Again, appreciate the attention to WvW.

PariahX.6970:

joneirikb.7506:

+1

Want to see both maps at the same time.

More options for people to play what they want.

ditto

Agree, I don’t want to see anyone rotated out of the game mode.

Alpine + DBL + EBG = Awesome Idea.

Way better than rotating out Alpine which IMO is the better map than DBL

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

yes please

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

Tbh that is the only reasonable compromise we got if you have push desert back. 2 alpine, 1 desert.

The problem with a quartely complete replacement is that there are sooooo many that dont like desert that they would become disgruntled and take it out on those that do. Which is exactly what happened with HoT.

Besides, we already know that anything except T1 or primetime reset cant normally queue 3 borders. With 1 desert, we would moderate ourselves down to 1 EB and 2 borders. If weakest server get desert, it wont matter.

So ultimately, yeah. Agreed.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

Personally, while there’s an Alpine option, I don’t intend to set foot in Desert. In that case, it’ll be a waiting game of queues for 2 borderlands: EB or Alpine, which isn’t really fun. (During the Desert BL era, there were massive EB queues throughout the night.)

So I’d prefer having proper WvW fun when Alpine is on rotation, and taking a game break when/if Desert comes back.

Just do it! 2 alpine…..1 desert. Less talk more action

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

Talking about other options, here’re my 2 cents. Have the map rotate weekly AND the matchups rotate on a 2-week basis.
This way, you’d be against the same server on ABL and then on DBL for “revenge”.

joneirikb.7506:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

+1

Want to see both maps at the same time.

More options for people to play what they want.

I’d also love to see both maps simultaneously! More variety for everyone.

Nanesh

Why do you want a empty map? listen to its name desert.

If you do 2/1 please let SFR home map always be Alpine.

Or simple have so all players on the server can vote with map do you want next week.

The Ventari Ele.5812:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

Quarterly rotation is way way way too long!

If you were to bring back DBL for 3 months, that’ll be 3 months during which all those players who came back will go back to other games and us having 50+ queues, even more now with server mergers, for EB!!!

Again your response shows that not much balancing thoughts were put into the DBLs, as the original plan for WvW was to have several maps one rotation, and those maps should obviously be roughly equal to each other.
DBLs were a gimmick, like EOTM, which is where it would be better suited; and WvW getting a proper new balanced map.

If you are sticking to DBL for the meantime it’d be better to go weekly or fortnightly, cos you know most of us hate DBL, do you really think we would want it for 3 months straight?!
Server mergers wont change players’ minds on the DBL, rather you’ll be forcing players to either play on them, wait for an hour or more for EB queue to pop, or leave the game for 3 months!

Most of us?? Who is us? Like everyone is saying bring back both maps, I like the DBL because they are more tactical, ABL is just a zerg fest, can’t even 1 vs 1 or a2 vs 1 someone. …

Shadow.3475:

Why do you want a empty map? listen to its name desert.

If you do 2/1 please let SFR home map always be Alpine.

Or simple have so all players on the server can vote with map do you want next week.

Your own point is why a rotation might have issues if the maps you prefer are cycled out for a time. Some of the mixed options that could be used would limit your downtime.

The Ventari Ele.5812:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

Quarterly rotation is way way way too long!

If you were to bring back DBL for 3 months, that’ll be 3 months during which all those players who came back will go back to other games and us having 50+ queues, even more now with server mergers, for EB!!!

Again your response shows that not much balancing thoughts were put into the DBLs, as the original plan for WvW was to have several maps one rotation, and those maps should obviously be roughly equal to each other.
DBLs were a gimmick, like EOTM, which is where it would be better suited; and WvW getting a proper new balanced map.

If you are sticking to DBL for the meantime it’d be better to go weekly or fortnightly, cos you know most of us hate DBL, do you really think we would want it for 3 months straight?!
Server mergers wont change players’ minds on the DBL, rather you’ll be forcing players to either play on them, wait for an hour or more for EB queue to pop, or leave the game for 3 months!

I am not sure what server you are on but the BLs are dead again for us. Our home BL has a couple people on it capping but mostly its all on EB again.

DBL was just more interesting than ABL and the rapid drop in population again on the BLs shows that it wasn’t the map decreasing population, its the scoring/rewards that makes people leave for better rewarded/more even parts of the game.

The 2/1 seems to be an acceptable option. Tomorrow is Friday, rest time…..make it so #1!

displacedTitan.6897:

The Ventari Ele.5812:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

Quarterly rotation is way way way too long!

If you were to bring back DBL for 3 months, that’ll be 3 months during which all those players who came back will go back to other games and us having 50+ queues, even more now with server mergers, for EB!!!

Again your response shows that not much balancing thoughts were put into the DBLs, as the original plan for WvW was to have several maps one rotation, and those maps should obviously be roughly equal to each other.
DBLs were a gimmick, like EOTM, which is where it would be better suited; and WvW getting a proper new balanced map.

If you are sticking to DBL for the meantime it’d be better to go weekly or fortnightly, cos you know most of us hate DBL, do you really think we would want it for 3 months straight?!
Server mergers wont change players’ minds on the DBL, rather you’ll be forcing players to either play on them, wait for an hour or more for EB queue to pop, or leave the game for 3 months!

I am not sure what server you are on but the BLs are dead again for us. Our home BL has a couple people on it capping but mostly its all on EB again.

DBL was just more interesting than ABL and the rapid drop in population again on the BLs shows that it wasn’t the map decreasing population, its the scoring/rewards that makes people leave for better rewarded/more even parts of the game.

I have accounts on 2 tiers and the bl’s are very active on both.
I’m guessing you consider it dead if there isn’t a tag/karma train running? Try going out and capping a tower, I’m pretty sure you’ll see a response.

Is better now with Alpine than deserted BL´s. Its a paradaise to defend and roam compared to deserted.

Fivedawgs.4267:

The Ventari Ele.5812:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

Quarterly rotation is way way way too long!

If you were to bring back DBL for 3 months, that’ll be 3 months during which all those players who came back will go back to other games and us having 50+ queues, even more now with server mergers, for EB!!!

Again your response shows that not much balancing thoughts were put into the DBLs, as the original plan for WvW was to have several maps one rotation, and those maps should obviously be roughly equal to each other.
DBLs were a gimmick, like EOTM, which is where it would be better suited; and WvW getting a proper new balanced map.

If you are sticking to DBL for the meantime it’d be better to go weekly or fortnightly, cos you know most of us hate DBL, do you really think we would want it for 3 months straight?!
Server mergers wont change players’ minds on the DBL, rather you’ll be forcing players to either play on them, wait for an hour or more for EB queue to pop, or leave the game for 3 months!

Most of us?? Who is us? Like everyone is saying bring back both maps, I like the DBL because they are more tactical, ABL is just a zerg fest, can’t even 1 vs 1 or a2 vs 1 someone. …

As this game mode is designed for*Massive PvP*, sorry you can’t duel or roam anymore!!!

Just do 3 alpine, 1 ebg and 1 DBL lol.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

This is the exact suggestion I made to my guild when we were discussing it among each other. They mostly like Alpine and I and a few others like Desert.. This seems like the fairest solution to me, and you were spot on with how I felt to leave the Desert to green and the other 2 Alpine.

Jayne.9251:

Xenesis.6389:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

TYLER YES! DBL for redbl and Alpine on blue and green bl.
Give it a shot and see how it goes!

Actually that makes sense, assuming red truly means the lowest ranked and not RNG.

E Z.

Give DBL to the lowest rank server in the match; ignoring color. That is, of course, if we agree that DBL is “more easily defended” than Alpine. I think that’s possibly true today, but is very questionable. Regardless, it may not be true after eventual terrain, environment, and NPC changes to Alpine (you gotta know that they’re thinking about that, right?)

dank.3680:

This seems like the fairest solution to me, and you were spot on with how I felt to leave the Desert to green and the other 2 Alpine.

Why would you make desert green? There’s less support for desert borderland, less players are willing to play on it, it’s a little more defensible with the environment, so why give that to green which is usually the server on top of the tier?

Tyler. Variety is the spice of life. Mix the borderlands.

Virtute.8251:

Jayne.9251:

Xenesis.6389:

Tyler Bearce.3427:

The current plan is to rotate the borderlands maps each quarterly update. That said, now that we are actively polling the community, perhaps we can start exploring other options.

For instance, nothing is really stopping us from having a combination of ABL and DBL maps running simultaneously. 2 of one and 1 of the other. If we polled that, and players approved it, then there’d be no need for the rotation, and players on both sides of the issue could play on their preferred map. The downside of course, would be any perception of imbalance that may arise from one map being considered the stronger “Home” map, but we could always give the more defensible map to Red/Blue and leave the less defensible map to Green.

TYLER YES! DBL for redbl and Alpine on blue and green bl.
Give it a shot and see how it goes!

Actually that makes sense, assuming red truly means the lowest ranked and not RNG.

E Z.

Give Alpine to the lowest rank server in the match; ignoring color.

The colors are assigned when the final glicko ratings(with the variance added) are calculated and the matchups are put together. So it is random, but the odds of a top server rolling red? basically only if they were rolling up a tier, or the ratings were really close in the current tier like T1/2.
(Look at who has red borderlands this week and their ranks)

Xenesis.6389:

The colors are assigned when the final glicko ratings(with the variance added) are calculated and the matchups are put together. So it is random, but the odds of a top server rolling red? basically only if they were rolling up a tier, or the ratings were really close in the current tier like T1/2.
(Look at who has red borderlands this week and their ranks)

Yeah, but eh. Nip it in the bud. Just input the glicko rank variable on map selector.

They have to keep some randomness to it, otherwise you’ll get people complaining they don’t get to play the other colors, why are we stuck on red for 6 weeks now!.
Well… use to mostly get those complaints when world completion had to be done in wvw, but not anymore.

while u are at it make eotm as BL too

One DBL, two ABL and one new EB in desert style pls which rotate with One ABL, two DBL and the old EB.
Makes two desert maps and two alpine maps every week.

Imo as much i like DBL for its space, it would make sense to add it only after a CDI and then shave it befor addint it to the game….

one of the things i would like to see is increased rewards for guilds to hold their stuff for X time days or whatver, it should be risky. maybe even add presecursor items or ascended items deppending castle, castles and towers would be disarable for defending teamand the actackers, more value.

We cant be tied to a horrible ppt system only while holding stuff, guild need more incentivation and rewards.

Do that and remove the spam chests placebo…. it is horrible.

Xenesis.6389:

They have to keep some randomness to it, otherwise you’ll get people complaining they don’t get to play the other colors, why are we stuck on red for 6 weeks now!.

Hm? I think you misunderstood me; not the other way.

Aeolus.3615:

one of the things i would like to see is increased rewards for guilds to hold their stuff for X time days or whatver, it should be risky. maybe even add presecursor items or ascended items deppending castle, castles and towers would be disarable for defending teamand the actackers, more value.

Problem is that the game is WvW not GvG….
Defending something is a team play for all the server, but only the guild will receive bonus ?

Sich.7103:

Aeolus.3615:

one of the things i would like to see is increased rewards for guilds to hold their stuff for X time days or whatver, it should be risky. maybe even add presecursor items or ascended items deppending castle, castles and towers would be disarable for defending teamand the actackers, more value.

Problem is that the game is WvW not GvG….
Defending something is a team play for all the server, but only the guild will receive bonus ?

He’s talking about the guild capture-and-hold missions that are already in play on claimed objectives.

RvR, GvG, and PvP are aspects of the same thing. So it is in WvW.

+1 for having both BLs at the same time.

HOPEFULLY FOREVER!!!

Sich.7103, offocurse not, it is not hard to make guilds important and make non guildies important as well…. there would be 2 types of reward, guilds and non guilds.

Guild rewards would use some point to a special chest, after X time every Y time, holding it would spawn after that Y time, points would serve for better loot boost, would improve drop for ascended items to craft the ascended precursors (weapons that i dont recall the name -.-" i tend to offer the percursors…), each tower castles had its own type of items drop.

For non guildies, on a defense event that would trigger a reward if well succeded, better reward based on guild lvl that holds the tower and chest lvl, something like:

-Temporary boon to carry more supplly if title not maxed, cant have more than max possible with max title.
-Better change to have a exotic or ascended chest.
- plus X% gold reward and wxp.
-new title path.

I would also promote the removable of all actual gimmicks, lame Banners would be tools to spread guild boons to non guilds on the field or extend the buffs present from the building to the field, somehting liek that.

Meanwhile make DBL more flat would be a better ideia, with only a canyon and place with moving sands beneath it crossing the map, that would be the only vertical place for ambushes.

Redesign the towers and castles to a more traditional style.

The point of this is to make guilds feel important, in a good design guild can be important and help roammers/havoks/randoms
with other tasks and tools, and avoid the gimmick concept ….

Also add a voice of support for the idea:

1 EBG
1 Desert BG
3 Alpine BL

If you (ANet) is willing to consider altering the number of maps (since it will also affect max population in a match, might also reduce map-limit at most maps as well to compensate for this. Bonus benefit slightly less lag). And the extra work on reworking the map from BL to BG style.

Desert is designed as a border. We cant have kittening 4 of them. It’s not gonna be another EB unless they do what many of us want them to do – remake the kitten map from scratch because nothing else can fix it’s core problems. But that aint gonna happen and you know it. So no point even suggesting that.

Dawdler.8521:

Desert is designed as a border. We cant have kittening 4 of them. It’s not gonna be another EB unless they do what many of us want them to do – remake the kitten map from scratch because nothing else can fix it’s core problems. But that aint gonna happen and you know it. So no point even suggesting that.

I don’t think it would need a full redesign. Make red get “citadel” and green and blue get the other 2. Red is almost always the weakest server, that will help them have a slight advantage in that map.