Guild Wars 2

This week did it for me. Forcing servers to compete with servers that vastly outnumber them is a sure way to alienate your player base.

I’m tired of playing servers that outnumber mine on every map, I just want an even fight.

It’s no longer fun, it’s repetitive and punishing. The maps are not large enough to split a massive server properly and removing swords from objectives will just punish the smaller servers even more.

Seriously, a rank 7 servers should NEVER play a rank 13.

A rank 9 should NEVER play a rank 15.

It’s an absolute joke.

I love this game, and I play to WvW but when the game I love so much does nothing but burn me week in and week out it’s a pretty good indicator that things won’t change.

Yeah, 7 had 8 and 12 last week. This week, we’re that 11 instead of the 12. 7 was closer to 6 than either of us but no, give DB another K-train week in all non NA prime-time hours.

Not annoying enough to quit the game but enough to spend more time in EOTM then getting steamrolled every time you put a toe outside.

Fed up? Let’s put it this way, this is my 3rd account!

I’ll let you guess what happened to the previous accounts on this forum.

I am on you all’s server. And I know what you’re talking about.

However, there is a way to make it work. And I am about to create a thread about how to do it.

Bottom line is it will take BOTH the players and Anet to fix this.

I’ll give you a preview here. Both the #11 and the #13 server are playing the game wrong. We did not play the reset strategically. We are all playing the game wrong.

And Anet is not helping.

I’m on a rank 14 playing a rank 9. What in the everloving…

Let me put it this way. We have not won a single matchup in 23 weeks. And then they throw this bullkitten at us. Well, guess there’s that shiny new LS content out…

Not that our 7,11,13 NA match up wasn’t a foregone conclusion on Friday a few hours after reset, but hell, I just logged in at 11:00 AM EST to try to have a little fun this morning in WvW, and this is what I found… (see pic)

Not only has the dominating server taken everything in EB… they’ve WAY POINTED EVERYTHING!!!

I love the WvW game mode, but man… I doubt this is any kind of real fun for anybody.

I fear that WvW is on life support and will depart if something significant isn’t changed soon.

Oh, and Anet, just in case you were unaware, removing white swords is NOT the kind of change that’s going to help this situation.

Krypto.2069:

Not that our 7,11,13 NA match up wasn’t a foregone conclusion on Friday a few hours after reset, but hell, I just logged in at 11:00 AM EST to try to have a little fun this morning in WvW, and this is what I found… (see pic)

Not only has the dominating server taken everything in EB… they’ve WAY POINTED EVERYTHING!!!

I love the WvW game mode, but man… I doubt this is any kind of real fun for anybody.

I fear that WvW is on life support and will depart if something significant isn’t changed soon.

Remind me of old Tier 8… Ah the golden days… Imagine yourself in that situation for 13 weeks straight?

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

Fed up? Let’s put it this way, this is my 3rd account!

I’ll let you guess what happened to the previous accounts on this forum.

LMAO you really spent more money just to be reignored? Thats too choice. Its like a when kid holds their breath thinking they are going to freak their mom out, but in reality theyll just pass out and automatically start breathing again. end result nothing changes.

Jeknar.6184:

Krypto.2069:

Not that our 7,11,13 NA match up wasn’t a foregone conclusion on Friday a few hours after reset, but hell, I just logged in at 11:00 AM EST to try to have a little fun this morning in WvW, and this is what I found… (see pic)

Not only has the dominating server taken everything in EB… they’ve WAY POINTED EVERYTHING!!!

I love the WvW game mode, but man… I doubt this is any kind of real fun for anybody.

I fear that WvW is on life support and will depart if something significant isn’t changed soon.

Remind me of old Tier 8… Ah the golden days… Imagine yourself in that situation for 13 weeks straight?

How about 23 weeks? We’re approaching the half-year mark.

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

How about 23 weeks? We’re approaching the half-year mark.

Well I had 13 weeks of the same servers in the same roflstomping match (Reffer to SF/FC/ET if you’re in doubt). Also I can assure you that my server been on the receiving end of blowouts much more than any other server in NA, and problably more than most EU servers aswell.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

Fed up? Let’s put it this way, this is my 3rd account!

I’ll let you guess what happened to the previous accounts on this forum.

- So your previous accounts got banned and you want to reward the company by buying a couple more?

Seriously, this is just after the weekend and 2 servers in the 3 silver league matchups already have over 110k points. It’s ridiculous.

Me. After over 2 years, I’ve quit for good in October. Season 3 was the last straw. Mag didn’t belong in gold and didn’t want to be in gold, and after the season was over, and even though we were T3-4-5, nobody came back. I don’t know who’s doing the PPT on Mag but they don’t play when I’m on.

I’m pretty much only on for 6 hours a month for Living Story now, it looks like.

Heh. Those high scoring servers should get bumped up to T1 every so often. We’ll teach them humility.

Boo… uhm… what’s the word I’m looking for? Oh yes: hoo.

Zaxares.5419:

Heh. Those high scoring servers should get bumped up to T1 every so often. We’ll teach them humility.

Its not like we wanted to be on these matchups… But because of how glicko works it’s not worth it lose ppt on purpose to give the others a chance of winning.

Artificially balancing a matchup would result on having a higher chance of having that matchup again, which I’m sure no one want.

I think I liked the old matchup system more than this new one. The randomness is too random to be honest. They said they would set the random number pretty high so they could evaluate servers faster to their corresponding spots and after that lower so that matches like OP’s wouldn’t happen, but not sure if they actually ever got to lower the number, for a reason or another.

But the old system was nagged about staleness. You fought the same servers, week after week after week. It took extremely long for server to climb up the ladder and also come down from high. Also the points were slowly drifting from lower servers to the top ones, making the cap between tiers even bigger and bigger, making it almost impossible for a server to climp up a tier without demolishing its rival servers.

But I liked it more nevertheless. Even if I faced the same servers I had grown a good rival bond between them and it was sad to see them rise up or us to rise up. Knowing I wouldn’t be facing them for, who knows how long. But on the other hand it was also refreshing to rise up a tier and be able to show why we came up a tier.

But in the end. It doesn’t really matter how the glicko works or how the servers get matched against because players seem to transfer to the higher tiers all the time. Some people go higher because they want more players to fight against, some don’t see any future with their own server and some transfer just to be “the top dog”.

The huge WvW population difference between servers is what is killing this game mode. Not the glicko, not the match up system. The sole fact that a server that is 1 rank above you might have 50 more active WvW players just kills the mode. And ANet cannot do anything about that, not at this time at least. They cannot force people to transfer all around the servers.

Encourage people to move to lower tiers? Like that worked before. People transfer in masse to one specific server and boost it all the way to t1 or close at least making a huge snowball effect while it’s rising in rank by demotivating and demolishing all the servers it fight.

The good ol’ days are gone. I wish they would have never gone so I could still be proud Underworld player and bash at Ruins of Surmia in match up forums. The good ol’ days.

TL;DR
ANet made it easy for the Players to destroy WvW. Good ol’ days are gone.

HoD, DR and SBI are all bandwagon servers that have previously had huge influxes of players and used to consistently run guild groups and PuG zergs of 50+ both before and during the recent tournaments.

Where did all your zerglings go?

Hopped again?

Paavotar.3971:

People transfer in masse to one specific server and boost it all the way to t1 or close at least making a huge snowball effect while it’s rising in rank by demotivating and demolishing all the servers it fight.

…And then everyone transfer off and the server dies again.

- Kaineng

Jeknar.6184:

Paavotar.3971:

People transfer in masse to one specific server and boost it all the way to t1 or close at least making a huge snowball effect while it’s rising in rank by demotivating and demolishing all the servers it fight.

…And then everyone transfer off and the server dies again.

- Kaineng

Exactly

Interestingly all servers are “Fed up with wvw”.
I am a commander on FSP (EU) and we are all fed up with it.
I had a discussion with an SFR commander just this morning. He asked some questions to assist him to decide to move his guild to FSP because they are sick to death of blob wiping enemies, the queues and the lack of any real ‘community’, due to the fast player turnover there. That to me says so much, when the “top” server has had enough of the imbalances.
Without looking I guess I have around 7k-8k hours wvw’ing and I am rank platinum, so I know a thing or two about wvw. We have all lost a great deal of faith in Anet.

What wisdom can they possibly have, even considering removing white markers.
The seige disabler feature should be renamed to the match disabler.
Seriously. We are outmanned most of the time and you allow them to add to that imbalance with an unending ability to disable our seige attacks permanantly so we cannot get out of the corner you have coded us into.

If this crap is not resolved within the next few days -I know many people will be just turning their back on the game. We are not your test arena Anet. You are supposed to test this stuff out before you write it into the live game.

It’s not rocket science. Create scaling/descaling buffs based on manpower. If Anet fail to do this, then I feel their next recruitment drive for purchasers of the game will be poor, as bad word spreads fast and wide in the gaming community.

Without these being fixed (see below), “fedupness” will kill the player interest off completely and kill off any team-belief that they can win fair and square;
1. Balance the matchups properly. Include functionality that make it possible to reach No1 in the ranks.
2. Sort seige disablers so either they have a cooldown on reuse or set the radius to only span half a gate area.
3. Forget the idea of removing white contested markers.

Currently as it stands, we are either the slaughterers or the slaughtered for 7 days at a time.

I thought we were supposed to be experiencing fun here right.
Don’t even start me off about the 2nd account holders who just park up their character in a map, to relay info to their friends on the enemy side. Seriously, Anet. You are allowing multiple accounts from the same IP address? Really?

Current fun levels in WvW = 0.
At the point of leaving GW2 levels = Increasing every day.

I am way passed fed-up. I suspect we are (majoritively) about to call the raid!

epborden.7492:

I’m definitely fed up. WvW is one of the MAIN reasons I was drawn to this game and eventually bought it. I’ve put hundreds into this game, which is on me, but still I feel like my loyalty with those dollars is being betrayed. I’ve INVESTED into this game and my time in WvW by ranking higher each week. I don’t know about you guys but when an investment doesn’t pan out it is time to call it quits and vote with your wallet elsewhere. We keep posting these frustration threads and NOTHING is being done to address it. NO posts from the devs acknowledging it. NO posts from the people in charge acknowledging it. NOTHING. How much more blatant could it be that they don’t care about their players? Why bother playing a game where you are constantly back-handed by the absentee status of the very people who make it?

They are not interested in us as a community of regular players. They want new players joining wvw as often as possible, because they know wvw has no stickability to it. Once players become aware of all of its’ weaknesses, many people abandon wvw.

Likewise, I am invested in this game and I am about to jump ship. My patience has almost run out now waiting for them to stabilize wvw properly. In the early months I forgave and tolerated, but it is 25 months since launch now and still it doesn’t work properly, or in the way the games’ community need it to work.

So yeah, fed up, bored, untrusting, frustrated and feeling ripped off.
Great job Anet.
Next time, don’t look at your competitors launch date and throw unfinished code at us. Mmmm what other games are there I could move to now? Clearly I need to start looking asap because, in its’ current form, this is not a game for all to enjoy.

I’m still having fun. ::shrugs::

EotM is fun. Still play every day.

Major Headache.4827:

Interestingly all servers are “Fed up with wvw”.
I am a commander on FSP (EU) and we are all fed up with it.
I had a discussion with an SFR commander just this morning. He asked some questions to assist him to decide to move his guild to FSP because they are sick to death of blob wiping enemies, the queues and the lack of any real ‘community’, due to the fast player turnover there. That to me says so much, when the “top” server has had enough of the imbalances.

Stop trolling. We don’t even have queues or is this guild some EB guild.

To paraphrase a convo from guild with members on both sides of a current matchup…

Our server is so much better than your server!

Youre only winning because you out number us 10-1

Like I said, better.

What are you going to do when your server finally ranks up and faces servers with even numbers, experince and a community with more than just bandwagoners?

I’ll just transfer again if this server starts losing.

Anyway was just having wacky idea…
What if defenders facing overwhelming odds, like making a last stand in the lords room, could get a huge stat buff to champion levels?

I love WvW, but for months we’ve been matched up with servers way higher than us. We finally fell down a tier this week and I’ve been so demoralised by how much we’re dominating (we have the same score as the 2 enemies put together) that I haven’t even gone into WvW this week.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

Fed up? Let’s put it this way, this is my 3rd account!

I’ll let you guess what happened to the previous accounts on this forum.

I wish I had the spare money to buy useless kitten too

one night I was sleep deprived so i had all the time in the world and singlehandedly took a keep that was defended by one guardian. After finally taking the keep a zerg comes buy and just undoes everything.

WVWVW needs to implement mechanics for guerilla warfare and find a way to reduce zerg reliance.

Why couldnt we have a zerg killing bomb trap?
Implement larger rams for larger zergs?

i mean zergs are fun but they should not be the only thing in wvw.

especially since mag has given up

Im sure Anet will do something about it

Voidrunner.5093:

Im sure Anet will do something about it

hahahahahaha

oh, you

Yeah, last week one of the servers we faced had about 4 times the score of both others (blacktide) and the funny thing was they camped us, and if they managed to kill someone 20 versus 1 they started dancing corpses as if that made them good players… the irony.

This kind of gameplay is inherently sad and broken.

Sirendor.1394:

Yeah, last week one of the servers we faced had about 4 times the score of both others (blacktide) and the funny thing was they camped us, and if they managed to kill someone 20 versus 1 they started dancing corpses as if that made them good players… the irony.

This kind of gameplay is inherently sad and broken.

The players, as you can see, are partly responsible for that sad and broken gameplay.

Sirendor.1394:

Yeah, last week one of the servers we faced had about 4 times the score of both others (blacktide) and the funny thing was they camped us, and if they managed to kill someone 20 versus 1 they started dancing corpses as if that made them good players… the irony.

This kind of player is inherently sad and broken.

I think I fixed for you. You can’t really blame ANet if the players are a bag full of kittens.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Sirendor.1394:

Yeah, last week one of the servers we faced had about 4 times the score of both others (blacktide) and the funny thing was they camped us, and if they managed to kill someone 20 versus 1 they started dancing corpses as if that made them good players… the irony.

This kind of gameplay is inherently sad and broken.

The players, as you can see, are partly responsible for that sad and broken gameplay.

I agree on that players are the ones tha transfered to one or the other server, whatever the reason, the problem is that it is allowed to do so, and the difference on population is really huge (aka, the system on WvW is broken, based on numbers and there is no control on nnumbers, not on overall server population, not on current map player difference).

This way, there is not even Matchups with tiers, there is only 1-2 servers that can roflstomp everyone while others can’t do nothing, thne those players that can do nothign move to the servers that has more people, in order to have a chance against the enemy server, the lowest populated server has no people, snowball rolling and becoming huge

There is needed a big change in WvW, on scores, on maps, on everything in order to make things more fair to everyone, and not only the server with the most coverage wins the Matchup

Current states of WvW is what it is: Quantity over Quality.

No good to go, Anet.

mysticalrk.9673:

Current states of WvW is what it is: Quantity over Quality.

No good to go, Anet.

In EotM Quality over Quantity.

Im getting sick of wvw and yaks bend atm.

Sirendor.1394:

Yeah, last week one of the servers we faced had about 4 times the score of both others (blacktide) and the funny thing was they camped us, and if they managed to kill someone 20 versus 1 they started dancing corpses as if that made them good players… the irony.

This kind of gameplay is inherently sad and broken.

The camping is particularly annoying when one side is vastly dominant. Never worked out how anyone enjoys the game when doing their best to deny other sides an opportunity to play when they are no threat to the result.
This is why I always thought keeps/garrisons should be flipped back after a certain period of time & give them immunity from attack to at least give sides some sort of opportunity to try & build defenses up.

People actually care about PPT? Frankly Im not sure why anyone would care about some random score that’s mostly gotten by some random zergs pressing 111 at doors all day. Go into WvW, embrace the fun of wrecking incredibly (emphasis on incredibly) bad players 1v4, that’s all there is too it guys. Unless of course you’re the one getting 1v4ed, which is actually most of the population, then you should PvP more, it helps you get much better than zerging and 111ing does.

I logged into JQ WvW earlier today….our PPT was 55 and there were no commanders…NO Commanders. And we were leading BG…so, I’d say WvW is in trouble.

I’ve lost my interest in WvW. It’s a shame because it was fun and a nice break from other aspects of the game.

I’ve been on 2 servers that imploded. Both had decent wvw presence and both had their major wvw guilds leave in a huge exodus. One was before the server transfer fee and the other was after it. Didn’t stop the big guilds from leaving.

Now, it’s a wasteland in wvw and is absolutely no fun. We’ve fallen to low level tiers where we just consistently get rolled in every match or end up with lots of pvdoor. I don’t even mind losing, I just mind not having a chance of meaningful gameplay. Doesn’t matter how good of a player who are or how much strategy you try to employ when your enemy greatly outnumbers you. It’s not fun when you try to take any point and have the enemy zerg show up and crush your 5 man group because they bring 40. No matter how good you are at defending, you cant hold a keep for long when you’re massively outnumbered. 5 guys cant hold a keep against 50 – at least not for long.

Not sure what the fix is. I cant blame the developers for all the faults of wvw, because the community has a lot to do with the gross imbalance as well. People like to win and people like to cherry pick. It certainly seems that the big guilds all like to stack together on a handful of servers. And I dont buy the argument that some servers care more about wvw than others. Many of their wvw players weren’t on those servers at the start.

I like WvW but my experience is currently very subpar. Either I can save up gold or money for gems to transfer or just give up wvw. But I dont think you should have to pay more money just to get the same experience that others get with their game.

Maybe the solution is to get rid of transfer fees. If the concern is that there would be stacking and cherrypicking, it’s already happened. That fee didnt stop any of the big wvw guilds from leaving my server. Just punishes the individual players that like wvw. Or maybe, just have transfer fees to tier 1 servers. Dont know if wvw can be fixed, but I am getting very fed up with it as TC said in OP.

Current matchups don’t really matter to me, WvW is just stale.. Its the ginger kid that I can’t be bothered to pick on anymore.
Find me in TPvP raging about Celestial ele’s until something changes.

I logged in to play some WvW yesterday and buy some gems..
I saw our tick of 500 logged out without spending money!

The funny thing was i wanted to buy gems for a transfer.. but realized the transfer isn’t gonna change anything about the gamemode.

grifflyman.8102:

This week did it for me. Forcing servers to compete with servers that vastly outnumber them is a sure way to alienate your player base.

I’m tired of playing servers that outnumber mine on every map, I just want an even fight.

It’s no longer fun, it’s repetitive and punishing. The maps are not large enough to split a massive server properly and removing swords from objectives will just punish the smaller servers even more.

Seriously, a rank 7 servers should NEVER play a rank 13.

A rank 9 should NEVER play a rank 15.

It’s an absolute joke.

I love this game, and I play to WvW but when the game I love so much does nothing but burn me week in and week out it’s a pretty good indicator that things won’t change.

Yet you complain when you compete against the same servers that have similar populations. What should be done about it, when folk complain regardless of the situation?

coglin.1867:

Yet you complain when you compete against the same servers that have similar populations. What should be done about it, when folk complain regardless of the situation?

Who complains? The only time I have seen anyone complain about the same matches over and over is IF the matches are mismatches. Two weeks in a row playing the same over-populated server.

There have been literally hundreds of threads complaining about playing the same servers every week.

coglin.1867:

There have been literally hundreds of threads complaining about playing the same servers every week.

Yeeessss…when they are mismatches to begin with. Unless I am missing something.

Before the random add to the rating on reset was implemented a lot of people were complaining that they were fighting the same two to four servers all the time. This was the case even if the matches were rather fair and they ended in an almost tie or the matches were decided on the last day.

Was playing with 3 other people on BG last night. So ye…. Pretty much done.

I agree with most of what people here already have stated, I myself also abbandonded wvw for about a month now because of the lack of updates, wanted / needed refreshing new implementations to the system and bug fixxes, staleness overall because of the unbalanced wvw populations across all the servers, bad match-up’s, pvd’ing and the problem with night capping.

Rewards I must say I’m fine with, maybe a little better drops from the rank up chests.

But anyway, the only conclusion I was able to come up with was to just “boycott” wvw, not joining it anymore until anet finally pays more attention to it again. And I guess that’s probably the best what anyone can do so that anet will realize how bad the situation in wvw currently is, just all commanders, big wvw guilds and so in, if we would all stop logging into wvw, for say as an example beginning from 1. Dec. to 1.Jan. and only the “randoms” keep playing who can’t do so without an commander tag on the map leading the “brainless” mob., I think they then would finally realize that something has to be done really fast.