Guild Wars 2

Perception =/= Reality, go to the pvp forums and post this topic, Pvp is definetly not the focus, might have the “publicity” but not the focus, its been stated many times already, all game modes especially wvw are the focus.

and fyi, Pvp is not a “dead” game mode

Pvp is not a “dead” game mode

lol

Getting cheap superficial content out ever 2 weeks is the focus now since spvp (esport) thing never took off. Wish they focused on WvW for rest of the year to make it great but meh.

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Perception =/= Reality, go to the pvp forums and post this topic, Pvp is definetly not the focus, might have the “publicity” but not the focus, its been stated many times already, all game modes especially wvw are the focus.

and fyi, Pvp is not a “dead” game mode

No WvW is not the focus.

We don’t want orb bonuses

We don’t want siegewars

PvP is dead. When PAX only gets that many subscribers for a major tourney and the comments are from ppl who don’t play…its dead. When I step into the mists and am the ONLY person there b/c I’m waiting on a WvW queue….its dead.

If WvW was the focus we’d have Devs listening to us…….they are ignoring what WvW players are telling them and continuing to focus on a dead (yes you can’t prove otherwise) gametype.

thank you

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/SpehssMehreen-5897/showposts

Can anyone confirm this fella as Anet employee b/c just reading through his post history is pretty lulz

Vena.8436:

“I play this game for WvW not sPvP!” -> “But let me play balanced PvP team deathmatch in WvW!” -> “We don’t want siegewars!”

Welp, we’ve just turned WvW into sPvP.

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point

Jinks.2057:

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point.

But its never that clear cut, now is it? Certainly isn’t for you because you don’t want to let anyone play the game in the way they want to unless its the way you want them to play the game.

Here, let me quote you:
“We don’t want siegewars.” ~ Some people do.
“We don’t want orb bonuses.” ~ Some people do.
“Please give us the dev time and let sPvP get life support dev focus for once…” ~ Some people like sPvP and would rather you not abuse it anymore than it already has been.

Ho boy. Would you look at that? Its not about we, its about me.

Vena.8436:

Jinks.2057:

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point.

But its never that clear cut, now is it? Certainly isn’t for you because you don’t want to let anyone play the game in the way they want to unless its the way you want them to play the game.

Here, let me quote you:
“We don’t want siegewars.” ~ Some people do.
“We don’t want orb bonuses.” ~ Some people do.
“Please give us the dev time and let sPvP get life support dev focus for once…” ~ Some people like sPvP and would rather you not abuse it anymore than it already has been.

Ho boy. Would you look at that? Its not about we, its about me.

Interesting view you have.

1. Siege Wars refers to Open field Siege creep.
2. No one has stated they want the bonuses..stop lying
3. sPvP is dead. They are not the majority. WvW far outnumbers sPvP and infact i’m willing to bet that 1 week of WvW players far outnumbers months of sPvP players. You give dev time to what the majority of your players play not cling to some dead game mode literally the tiniest fraction of your player base plays.

The majority has spoken and you really need to realize it.

Jinks.2057:

Vena.8436:

Jinks.2057:

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point.

But its never that clear cut, now is it? Certainly isn’t for you because you don’t want to let anyone play the game in the way they want to unless its the way you want them to play the game.

Here, let me quote you:
“We don’t want siegewars.” ~ Some people do.
“We don’t want orb bonuses.” ~ Some people do.
“Please give us the dev time and let sPvP get life support dev focus for once…” ~ Some people like sPvP and would rather you not abuse it anymore than it already has been.

Ho boy. Would you look at that? Its not about we, its about me.

Interesting view you have.

1. Siege Wars refers to Open field Siege creep.
2. No one has stated they want the bonuses..stop lying
3. sPvP is dead. They are not the majority. WvW far outnumbers sPvP and infact i’m willing to bet that 1 week of WvW players far outnumbers months of sPvP players. You give dev time to what the majority of your players play not cling to some dead game mode literally the tiniest fraction of your player base plays.

The majority has spoken and you really need to realize it.

I want the orb buffs. There, your argument is shattered.

Stormleaf.1769:

Jinks.2057:

Vena.8436:

Jinks.2057:

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point.

But its never that clear cut, now is it? Certainly isn’t for you because you don’t want to let anyone play the game in the way they want to unless its the way you want them to play the game.

Here, let me quote you:
“We don’t want siegewars.” ~ Some people do.
“We don’t want orb bonuses.” ~ Some people do.
“Please give us the dev time and let sPvP get life support dev focus for once…” ~ Some people like sPvP and would rather you not abuse it anymore than it already has been.

Ho boy. Would you look at that? Its not about we, its about me.

Interesting view you have.

1. Siege Wars refers to Open field Siege creep.
2. No one has stated they want the bonuses..stop lying
3. sPvP is dead. They are not the majority. WvW far outnumbers sPvP and infact i’m willing to bet that 1 week of WvW players far outnumbers months of sPvP players. You give dev time to what the majority of your players play not cling to some dead game mode literally the tiniest fraction of your player base plays.

The majority has spoken and you really need to realize it.

I just want to fail arguing w/ you and report you to Mods. There, your argument is confirmed.

Jinks.2057:

1. Siege Wars refers to Open field Siege creep.
2. No one has stated they want the bonuses..stop lying
3. sPvP is dead. They are not the majority. WvW far outnumbers sPvP and infact i’m willing to bet that 1 week of WvW players far outnumbers months of sPvP players. You give dev time to what the majority of your players play not cling to some dead game mode literally the tiniest fraction of your player base plays.

Oh ho, this is getting easier and easier.
1.) People like to use siege in the open field, just because you disagree with it doesn’t invalidate it or mean that no one likes it.
2.) There was a thread (god knows what the moderators did with it) that, I’m pretty sure, wasn’t 100% No on buffs. Even in that flawed sampling, there are clearly people who do want them. No lies there. (More to the point, its not “buffs” that people are specifically against. Its statistical buffs, many people would probably not even give a kitten if the buffs allowed you to nuke every structure on every map so long as their behind the windmill fun wasn’t ruined.)
3.) Comically, you could just as soon say the same of yourself with regards to the PvE population. Meanwhile your statement has nothing to do with what I or you said: “Let people play the game we want to play!” because at this point you’re just saying: “Let people play the game we want to play, so long as its my version of WvW and not sPvP!” I don’t think you can marry the former and latter statements.

Jinks.2057:

The majority has spoken and you really need to realize it.

And the larger majority plays PvE. Time to close up shop on WvW and sPvP me thinks!

The majority has, after-all, spoken.

Vena.8436:

Oh ho, this is getting easier and easier.
1.) People like to use siege in the open field, just because you disagree with it doesn’t invalidate it or mean that no one likes it.

No ppl use siege in open field b/c the game has been hard coded for it

2.) There was a thread that, I’m pretty sure, wasn’t 100% No on buffs. Even in that flawed sampling, there are clearly people who do want them. No lies there. (More to the point, its not “buffs” that people are specifically against. Its statistical buffs, many people would probably not even give a kitten if the buffs allowed you to nuke every structure on every map so long as their behind the windmill fun wasn’t ruined.)

This isn’t about behind the windmill fun. Infact you’ve been trying to reference this since the beginning. No this post is about Open fields, roaming, 1v1, 1vX, etc.

3.) Comically, you could just as soon say the same of yourself with regards to the PvE population. Meanwhile your statement has nothing to do with what I or you said: “Let people play the game we want to play!” because at this point you’re just saying: “Let people play the game we want to play, so long as its my version of WvW and not sPvP!” I don’t think you can marry the former and latter statements.

PvE will always trump b/c that’s the way it is in EVERY MMO….but then you can make a case for the fact you need to PvE to WvW. sPvP you can do right outta the gate….yet its a dead game mode. It’s all about letting us play the way we want, and your stance is the reason we are in this predicament we currently are

And the larger majority plays PvE. Time to close up shop on WvW and sPvP me thinks!

The majority has, after-all, spoken.

See this is where you fail even harder. PvE wins over all game modes so Anet is catering to the majority already. This is about playing WvW how players want, and telling the devs to wake up. WvW is the majority.

Whatever else you are posting or reading into you should prolly stop b/c all you are doing is making yourself look really bad.

Jinks.2057:

1.)No ppl use siege in open field b/c the game has been hard coded for it

2.)This isn’t about behind the windmill fun. Infact you’ve been trying to reference this since the beginning. No this post is about Open fields, roaming, 1v1, 1vX, etc.

3.)PvE will always trump b/c that’s the way it is in EVERY MMO….but then you can make a case for the fact you need to PvE to WvW. sPvP you can do right outta the gate….yet its a dead game mode. It’s all about letting us play the way we want, and your stance is the reason we are in this predicament we currently are

1.) Which has nothing to do with your statement of “We don’t want siege wars!” You just don’t seem to want siege, at all. Nowhere have you substantiated your claim either.

2.) You called me a liar about “No one wants the buff!” then when proven wrong, talk about some other thing.

3.) Its not about letting anyone other than you, and your definitions, play the game the way they want. You keep throwing the sPvP community under the bus for “the way we want”.

Jinks.2057:

See this is where you fail even harder. PvE wins over all game modes so Anet is catering to the majority already. This is about playing WvW how players want, and telling the devs to wake up. WvW is the majority.

This whole thread started with “Gimme sPvP resources!” Then went on to make false claims that you can’t even corroborate. And are throwing around this odd word about “our way” but its really “my way” since you are not multiple people.

Jinks.2057:

Whatever else you are posting or reading into you should prolly stop b/c all you are doing is making yourself look really bad.

Don’t worry about me, I can take care of myself.

i have to agree with OP, and the stats will back us up: most pvp’ers are in WvW, not in spvp, at any given time. WvW streams and vids get more viewers at all times. these are facts. not e-sport dreams.

OP knows whats up. When you guys gonna listen to the community?

The reason they want it to be an e-sport so badly is because it brings in money (sponcors etc.)… WvW/large scale PvP (what most people actually want from WvW and not siegewars) won’t. For them to do large scale PvP they would have to spend money on more/better servers to deal with the skill lag issues (which have been noticed as a problem since early pre-release days) etc. etc.

They are beating a dead horse with sPvP and siegewars and clinging onto the hope of e-sports (which isn’t going to happen with how things are now).

Instead they should stop and listen to what their players want and grow the game that way…

I don’t spvp because of the imbalance. if we were allowed more variety of builds, like we can in wvw, i would def do it.

Seigfried.5938:

I don’t spvp because of the imbalance. if we were allowed more variety of builds, like we can in wvw, i would def do it.

That’s one of the big reasons I don’t sPvP… very few options statwise. You get runes, sigils, and one neck/jewel. That’s it. While that might be easier for them to balance… it means a lot of builds that are viable and fun in WvW aren’t in sPvP.

The other reason I won’t sPvP… is because even that isn’t about players fighting. It’s about holding points.

So what did players do? They created their own game with 20v20 deathmatches (etc.). A-nets response… put in orbs that give stat buffs… : /

Aberrant.6749:

That’s one of the big reasons I don’t sPvP… very few options statwise. You get runes, sigils, and one neck/jewel. That’s it. While that might be easier for them to balance… it means a lot of builds that are viable and fun in WvW aren’t in sPvP.

There’s no food or oil either which are often times clutch in optimizing (or even permitting) certain specs to function, and many runes are restricted from sPvP. The variety of sPvP specs would probably be greatly improved if the amulet could be “allocated” in stats but with caps on Major/Minor/Minor/X-Minor stat allocations. The amulet doesn’t need to be removed if its actually given statistical freedom to simulate a whole armor set.

Anyone notice how it’s the same 2-3 people that are against the majority and posting in all threads like this?

It’s pretty clear that these new capture and hold point in the BL’s are a desperate attempt by Anet to attract WvW players to sPvP. They think that we will enjoy it so much that we will all become sPvP’ers. And then: esport.

Deli.1302:

Anyone notice how it’s the same 2-3 people that are against the majority and posting in all threads like this?

Thus why I let you all take over since it just proves my point.

Lord Kuru.3685:

It’s pretty clear that these new capture and hold point in the BL’s are a desperate attempt by Anet to attract WvW players to sPvP. They think that we will enjoy it so much that we will all become sPvP’ers. And then: esport.

Yes because sPvP in WvW will bring ppl to sPvP……..

I dont play this game, I cry.

Lord Kuru.3685:

It’s pretty clear that these new capture and hold point in the BL’s are a desperate attempt by Anet to attract WvW players to sPvP. They think that we will enjoy it so much that we will all become sPvP’ers. And then: esport.

They should focus on WvW being an esport. Why satisfy 5 player teams when you can have more fun with 100.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

They should focus on WvW being an esport. Why satisfy 5 player teams when you can have more fun with 100.

^ This

Hrmm looks like the new tactic of ignoring the majority has taken hold of the naysayers in this thread.

I want my WvW Anet not sPvP!!

Seigfried.5938:

I don’t spvp because of the imbalance. if we were allowed more variety of builds, like we can in wvw, i would def do it.

In sPvP I really miss perplexity engineers, burst builds with 120% critical damage and all the other broken builds of WvW.

FirstBlood.7359:

Seigfried.5938:

I don’t spvp because of the imbalance. if we were allowed more variety of builds, like we can in wvw, i would def do it.

In sPvP I really miss perplexity engineers, burst builds with 120% critical damage and all the other broken builds of WvW.

In WvW I really miss team synergy, proper armor choises and actual combat

FirstBlood.7359:

Seigfried.5938:

I don’t spvp because of the imbalance. if we were allowed more variety of builds, like we can in wvw, i would def do it.

In sPvP I really miss perplexity engineers, burst builds with 120% critical damage and all the other broken builds of WvW.

Perplexity runes continuing on like they currently are just supports my statement of how Anet views WvW.

That being said. I would rather face 120% Crit damage vs the crappy AoE Condi Burst/Bunker Meta that currently is sPvP. Least in WvW you have ways to deal with that kittenty meta……not in sPvP

Please focus on our WvW Anet. Listen to the players

Jinks.2057:

Please focus on our WvW Anet. Listen to the players

In WvW build diversity exists, because WvW offers no competition. In zerg against zerg even the worst builds can be carried by outnumbering your opponents. Fighting doors gives no feedback how bad your build really is.

Condition damage in WvW is even worse than in sPvP. The +40% condition duration from bufffood is insane. How would you have to adjust your gear and traits to gain such a bonus?! Given the broken bufffood, you can only counter it with – cond duration bufffood. The – cond duration bufffood is expensive and only useful against condition classes.

Extreme condition and power damage – a problem exacerbated by ascended weapons – makes WvW unfit for competitive play.

B-b-b-b-ut, OP… Don’t you get it? WvW is supposed to be unfair! That’s why As gear doesn’t matter, it’s supposed to be unbalanced and unfair! What does it matter if we make it even worse? It’s supposed to be broken!

At least, that’s what I keep reading in the threads where an even fighting chance is proposed.

Lord Kuru.3685:

It’s pretty clear that these new capture and hold point in the BL’s are a desperate attempt by Anet to attract WvW players to sPvP. They think that we will enjoy it so much that we will all become sPvP’ers. And then: esport.

Hm. I would add that I thought As gear and Guard line buffs were the first step of that.

“Want equal stats? Don’t want to grind for gear? GO SPVP PLZ WE NEED ESPORT GOOO”

FirstBlood.7359:

Jinks.2057:

Please focus on our WvW Anet. Listen to the players

In WvW build diversity exists, because WvW offers no competition. In zerg against zerg even the worst builds can be carried by outnumbering your opponents. Fighting doors gives no feedback how bad your build really is.

WvW has tons of competition. Infact the core game is a week long competition. As for your statement on ZvZ being decided on numbers…..not totally. What happens when 20 skilled players come face tank that 80 man blob?

Condition damage in WvW is even worse than in sPvP. The +40% condition duration from bufffood is insane. How would you have to adjust your gear and traits to gain such a bonus?! Given the broken bufffood, you can only counter it with – cond duration bufffood. The – cond duration bufffood is expensive and only useful against condition classes.

Here’s where your ignorance shines through. You don’t HAVE to run -condi food in WvW. This is where utilizing the combo field mechanics comes into play. Read up on it and be enlightened.

Extreme condition and power damage – a problem exacerbated by ascended weapons – makes WvW unfit for competitive play.

Also WvW has extreme survivability and the ability to create hybrid builds. sPvP fails and needs to have 75% of it’s dev resources re-allocated to WvW.

See the problem with the op is you talk in absolutes like everyone agrees with you. I for one do both wvw and spvp, I prefer smaller open field battles in wvw and well I would like to see anet stop encouraging the zerg I understand that its not everyone’s opinion and some people like giant fights. I also think the new orb buff is a good idea wvw is going to be imbalanced and if the new points did not give a buff no one would fight for them, or worse it would give karma and wxp and just become another stop on the karma train.

as for spvp, the only thing holding back is the lack of diversity in the objectives. This is something people talked about in beta and I think its something that is going to change.

as for gvg, not really my thing but if people really want it the tech is there for custom arenas so I don’t know why they can’t just make a custom tdm arena where the amount of people can be set from 10v10 to 50v50 and guilds could go have at it when they want.

Sacrx says it best, ANET harms WvW to funnel you into sPvP, to get more buzz around sPvP, to get more sponsors, to get a bigger eSports seen. The fact is, that GW2 will not be the eSport ANET wants it to be and ANET should rethink their strategy….

Radioactive.1248:

Sacrx says it best, ANET harms WvW to funnel you into sPvP, to get more buzz around sPvP, to get more sponsors, to get a bigger eSports seen. The fact is, that GW2 will not be the eSport ANET wants it to be and ANET should rethink their strategy….

Yep, how can a company be so dumb? Ratchet down on your success in the hope of building up your fail. Amazing.

Samhayn.2385:

See the problem with the op is you talk in absolutes like everyone agrees with you. I for one do both wvw and spvp, I prefer smaller open field battles in wvw and well I would like to see anet stop encouraging the zerg I understand that its not everyone’s opinion and some people like giant fights. I also think the new orb buff is a good idea wvw is going to be imbalanced and if the new points did not give a buff no one would fight for them, or worse it would give karma and wxp and just become another stop on the karma train.

You are almost there. I roam all the time in WvW and I also play w/ my guild to kill blobs. The orb buff is only going to create an imbalance for the haves (aka zerg servers) to have an advantage against the have nots (outmanned servers). You like small scale action….yet these buffs will literally destroy your gametype vs larger servers

as for spvp, the only thing holding back is the lack of diversity in the objectives. This is something people talked about in beta and I think its something that is going to change.

There will be diversity. We all so the patch notes that got leaked….cept the new game types will only be in custom and not count. tPvP and competitive play will utilize Conquest mode

as for gvg, not really my thing but if people really want it the tech is there for custom arenas so I don’t know why they can’t just make a custom tdm arena where the amount of people can be set from 10v10 to 50v50 and guilds could go have at it when they want.

Nope your ignorance is coming out here. Anet can’t allow 20v20 custom deathmatch arenas b/c they don’t have the hardware in place nor want to spend the money to get it in place. Also the build diversity in WvW trumps sPvP by leaps and bounds…..The GvG community would LOVE them to implement an area for them to do this, but Anet refuses. They decided to do it in WvW where it is possible. You should try GvG btw……..you’d prolly get hooked easily.

GvG matches create way more community buzz and enthusiasm then sPvP ever will. Many WvW guilds aspire to play GvG because it is the purest form of PvP in WvW. Guilds are normally larger than 5 players so sPvP is pointless for many guilds. WvW Guilds are a large portion of the community.

GvG caters to a WvW guilds who want to test their skills vs other guilds. To me GvG is the PvP of WvW. It is something I thoroughly enjoy in this game.

I did a GvG last night. The 60 minute matchup was the most fun I had in weeks. There is nothing else out there like it atm. If Anet was smart enough they would try to cash in on this before somebody else does.

If GvG dies I am willing to bet that many of the community’s best players and guilds will be leave the game.

Jinks.2057:

Nope your ignorance is coming out here.

Jinks.2057:

Here’s where your ignorance shines through.

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Have you noticed that you accuse everyone that does not agree with you of their ignorance? That’s the spirit of a true debate and a sign for respect for everyone that does not share your narrow view of the world.

Jinks.2057:

WvW has tons of competition. Infact the core game is a week long competition. As for your statement on ZvZ being decided on numbers…..not totally. What happens when 20 skilled players come face tank that 80 man blob?

Skilllags happens. No matter how good and skillful as player, you are kitten ed to press 1. “Week long competition”? Would you call the night raiding, PvDooring and Blobbing at the prime time competition?!

I would challenge the others points that you have made, but considering your attitude towards discussion …. a waste of time.

If anet wants more people in pvp they should make an arena that will support up to atleast 20v20. 30v30 would be better

AphoticEssance.7592:

GvG matches create way more community buzz and enthusiasm then sPvP ever will. Many WvW guilds aspire to play GvG because it is the purest form of PvP in WvW. Guilds are normally larger than 5 players so sPvP is pointless for many guilds. WvW Guilds are a large portion of the community.

GvG caters to a WvW guilds who want to test their skills vs other guilds. To me GvG is the PvP of WvW. It is something I thoroughly enjoy in this game.

I did a GvG last night. The 60 minute matchup was the most fun I had in weeks. There is nothing else out there like it atm. If Anet was smart enough they would try to cash in on this before somebody else does.

If GvG dies I am willing to bet that many of the community’s best players and guilds will be leave the game.

Also the best theory-crafters behind the PPT game are moving over to GvG.

On TC, one of our best, who helped TC rise from mid-tier to tier 2 on PPT, recently moved to an EU server so he could theory-craft GvG’s.

This is where the excitement is.

Radioactive.1248:

Sacrx says it best, ANET harms WvW to funnel you into sPvP, to get more buzz around sPvP, to get more sponsors, to get a bigger eSports seen. The fact is, that GW2 will not be the eSport ANET wants it to be and ANET should rethink their strategy….

This is jut terrible tunnel vision on the part of the devs. Turns out that WvW is the kind of PvP that Anet’ customers want to play, not sPvP; but Anet just refuses to acknowledge this.

From what Sacrx says, it looks like it’s going to take some people leaving the company for this tunnel vision to be resolved.

People leaving won’t change it. They don’t have anything tp lose even if all the wvw players quit

Samhayn.2385:

See the problem with the op is you talk in absolutes like everyone agrees with you. I for one do both wvw and spvp, I prefer smaller open field battles in wvw and well I would like to see anet stop encouraging the zerg I understand that its not everyone’s opinion and some people like giant fights. I also think the new orb buff is a good idea wvw is going to be imbalanced and if the new points did not give a buff no one would fight for them, or worse it would give karma and wxp and just become another stop on the karma train.

as for spvp, the only thing holding back is the lack of diversity in the objectives. This is something people talked about in beta and I think its something that is going to change.

as for gvg, not really my thing but if people really want it the tech is there for custom arenas so I don’t know why they can’t just make a custom tdm arena where the amount of people can be set from 10v10 to 50v50 and guilds could go have at it when they want.

Plenty of people suggested tons of great ideas instead of pure stat buffs, that WILL entice people to fight for the new capture points. Example, Increase the amount of damage that rams, catapults and trebs do…. or Increase dolyak movement speed, or increase supply camp capacity etc…. Anet essentially killed gvg. A completely boneheaded move. ( Though I do like the new maps since it will discourage zerging a bit)

Lord Kuru.3685:

Radioactive.1248:

Sacrx says it best, ANET harms WvW to funnel you into sPvP, to get more buzz around sPvP, to get more sponsors, to get a bigger eSports seen. The fact is, that GW2 will not be the eSport ANET wants it to be and ANET should rethink their strategy….

This is jut terrible tunnel vision on the part of the devs. Turns out that WvW is the kind of PvP that Anet’ customers want to play, not sPvP; but Anet just refuses to acknowledge this.

From what Sacrx says, it looks like it’s going to take some people leaving the company for this tunnel vision to be resolved.

Apparently leaving is what it took for sPvP to finally get non-Conquest game modes — 1 year later.

But WvW doesn’t have a year. It’s competitors are launching in 6 months.

I’m looking at it from a money aspect. If people don’t play it actually lifts pressure from the servers. Unless those people were buying stuff with real money anet is actually helped by people quitting

I agree that I am working on an assumption. I think most people stop buying gems a fair wwhile before they quit. As I stated in anoth thread I use to spend $50+ a month on gems. When I quit buying gems anet lost revenue. But now I don’t buy gems anet has nothing to lose if I quit. Point I’m trying to make it that people leaving won’t hurt anet. People stopping spending money will. Anyone who plays without spending money is “dead weight” for lack of a better word.

Valik Shin.9027:

I agree that I am working on an assumption. I think most people stop buying gems a fair wwhile before they quit. As I stated in anoth thread I use to spend $50+ a month on gems. When I quit buying gems anet lost revenue. But now I don’t buy gems anet has nothing to lose if I quit. Point I’m trying to make it that people leaving won’t hurt anet. People stopping spending money will. Anyone who plays without spending money is “dead weight” for lack of a better word.

I’d be surprised if anet saw it that way. I’m sure they think anyone playing is always a potential gem customer, even if they have bought nothing for months, so long as they can think of the right product to offer. The real problem is they don’t believe people will leave as a result of anything they do to wvw because for w/e reason they have a very low opinion of wvw.

FirstBlood.7359:

Jinks.2057:

Nope your ignorance is coming out here.

Jinks.2057:

Here’s where your ignorance shines through.

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Have you noticed that you accuse everyone that does not agree with you of their ignorance? That’s the spirit of a true debate and a sign for respect for everyone that does not share your narrow view of the world.

Jinks.2057:

WvW has tons of competition. Infact the core game is a week long competition. As for your statement on ZvZ being decided on numbers…..not totally. What happens when 20 skilled players come face tank that 80 man blob?

Skilllags happens. No matter how good and skillful as player, you are kitten ed to press 1. “Week long competition”? Would you call the night raiding, PvDooring and Blobbing at the prime time competition?!

I would challenge the others points that you have made, but considering your attitude towards discussion …. a waste of time.

Your failing attempt at cherry picking my posts is laughable.

The fact that you refuse to see that WvW is a week long competition is rather amusing. Do 3 servers compete for points in WvW? Is there a winner and loser? It’s a fact that WvW is a competition….can’t refute that.

I’m not sitting here condoning PvD, Siege Creep, Blobs of Skill Lag, or any of the negative issues you have brought up.

I am simply here stating even though GW2 WvW is fraught w/ all those horrible issues its VASTLY more popular than any sPvP/tPvP venue. So logically as a company you would allocate man hours and resources to the bigger portion of your player base.

As a company you would listen to what that said larger portion of players wish/want in the product they paid/pay for.

Now as for my attitude being poor in terms of discussion….well if completely smashing any falsehoods, trolls, ignorant posts, and refusing to drink the koolaid……yes guilty as charged.

G’day

U may be right. But if so anet has a very messed up and clouded view