Guild Wars 2

Since most of the skillful players are in Heart of the Mists, imagine all the hardcore tpvp players decided to form a WvWvW guild, since they are the REAL pvp players, I wonder how awesome the guild would be in WvWvW

Dayra.7405:

“Walking loot bags” is likely an adequate name for that guild

I came here to say that.

So basically a group where everyone is running 1v1 builds?

Dayra.7405:

“Walking loot bags” is likely an adequate name for that guild

this

they would all be level 1 or level 2 ;p

LOL true dat, but imagine them lvl 80 fully geared, and built to suit WvWvW, now that would be crazy?

THat guild would break apart in 24 hours.

Think about guild full of dungeon masters. Those guys would dodge out of red circle and i would get lot less kills.

Lol @ all this they are the “real” PVP players.

tPVP is more about moving between points to create the 3v2 in your favor than it is about actual PVP.

Open field WvW fighting is more PVP than tPVP ever will be until it gets a mode other than conquest borefest.

erm i’d say they would get owned pretty bad…but hey if i walk into spvp with my wvw build….i’ll get owned even worse..so it works both ways.
but @ op we are REAL pvp’ers, but we play a different game!spvp players are not automatically the better pvp players. a wvw player that learned to survive in the middle of zergs, can do great dmg in spvp with the right build.

Velron.3729:

Open field WvW fighting is more PVP than tPVP ever will be until it gets a mode other than conquest borefest.

lool

Ken.9018:

Since most of the skillful players are in Heart of the Mists

Lost credibility there. tPvP is an entirely different game mode. I can’t begin to count how many “Champion [Title]” players I’ve stomped in battle and one on one. Let them think they’re the best though. It’ll crush their morale that much more when I flag them.

Sil.4560:

Ken.9018:

Since most of the skillful players are in Heart of the Mists

Lost credibility there. tPvP is an entirely different game mode. I can’t begin to count how many “Champion [Title]” players I’ve stomped in battle and one on one. Let them think they’re the best though. It’ll crush their morale that much more when I flag them.

I was under the impression that the OP was being sarcastic…

Velron.3729:

Lol @ all this they are the “real” PVP players.

tPVP is more about moving between points to create the 3v2 in your favor than it is about actual PVP.

Open field WvW fighting is more PVP than tPVP ever will be until it gets a mode other than conquest borefest.

Lol, no, just no.

Tpvp is a game of skill, while wvw is more a game of, who has the biggest group and can swarm the other.

Eh, don’t forget that there are legit differences in builds you can make and stat thresholds you can reach.

Lol wvw players are bad. The problem is there are not enough tpvpers atm to really do it Hell I have trouble finding a 5th most of the time. Maybe when solo ques come some wvw players will come into the mists and learn to fight. In wvw you learn to follow in Tpvp you learn to kill.

They would get slaughtered by any decen organized Wvw guilld

Deamhan.9538:

I was under the impression that the OP was being sarcastic…

Dunno, it’s hard for me to tell. I see so many people who honestly believe that PvP is the definition of skilled gameplay and that WvW somehow doesn’t count.

Conquest mode is pretty awful for actual fighting. At some point ANET will admit defeat and implement proper gvg. May have to wait for expansion or new mmo first tho.

You cannot compare. WvW is a very diffirent cup of tea from sPvP. Runes, sigils, abilities work different. Foodbuffs become a factor, and it isnt about 1v1 at all.

Roaming and mobility become very important instead of bunkering on a point, which is kinda redundant when you can easily get overwhelmed unlike in sPvP. And then there is siege, and knowledge of the map layout. And yes, even the WvW skills start factoring in.

I think they’d do aswell in WvW as a WvW player would in sPvP.

spvp is just way to much about standing in cricles. I don’t think you get more skill from that. :P

If they’re anything like me with PvP, they’d get bored of WvW long before they got good at it and would have no regrets about that either.

People who are great at tpvp suck big time at WvW, seen it on LOADS of occasions, ‘I am a top 1000 pvp’er’, ‘why do I die all the time’…

I love farming tpvpers in WvW even more than I like farming players with legendarys…

Both groups are free walking loot bags…

You guys are all so cute. Spvp and WvW players are equally bad. In both, the players will try to get a numbers advantage because they can’t cut it by themselves.

In both areas, you have players fighting other players.

Only difference is that in WvW there is more terrain, and more dynamics in the forms of things like siege/towers/gear/etc.

I fail to see how one could cultivate better players than the other when it comes down to individual skill level. If anything, structured PvP would likely inhibit the player from dealing with more dynamic situations as the possibilities of different encounters is much, much more limited than WvW.

In the end though, both have great players and both have not so great players. A person going from one to the other will likely struggle a bit at first to adapt.

For me though, I got tired of the whole node cap song and dance long before GW2 even came out. Tried to love it here, but just cant. In that time, I found that I dominated more people than I do in WvW. That said, I dont think I can reasonably make any conclusions from that.

So, to directly answer the point the OP raises… if a group that has never played dubveedub before came into the game mode with the attitude that they learned “everything possible” from structured PvP (or any other game or game mode for that matter), they are probably just going to be walking loot bags. Ones which I will gladly farm!

:)

Those opinions are coming from people that obviously don’t tpvp I do wvw and tpvp a lot 2500+ hours of mostly pvp. Trust me tpvp is skilled game play In wvw commands are list lazly left/right, push through, pull out, and drop the bomb. It doesn’t matter what player is there as long as they can follow these simple commands as the commander is the only real player. There are skirmish groups but very few because most players don’t feel confident enough that they can win with lower number and run in a herd so they are not faced with there own failure, but the commanders since he is the only real player.

About bunkering points if you only play bunker yea your just a babysitter and are no more skilled than a wvwer infact prolly less skilled. As for the rest of the players on the field there combat exp surpasses 90% of wvwers cause they get very little real combat. The 10% is people that yak 24/7 but they are prolly tpvpers anyway lol.

Meglobob, the chances you farm normal wvw players is probably higher than the chance you farm tpvpers. Tpvpers tend to stay in tpvp, otherwise they wouldn’t have gotten this “title”. The chance that you farm players with legendary is obviously lower since the percentage of players having a legendary is lower…

Getting the champion title doesn’t mean anything about how good they are in tpvp (and in extension, in every form of player vs player games). If a person wins 200 matches out of the 1000, they’d have a 1/4 win/lose ratio, which is very low. They nonethless will have that champion title.

Both games requires some experience, if a 100% WvW player would go into his first tournie, he’ll lose .. terribly. Vice versa for a 100% PvP player. Reason: experience on map design and map tactics. Is the one better than the other? No.

PS: Meglobob, wasn’t meant to personal attack you, you were just the last comment relevant to what I was stating against. Except for the guy just above me, he entered his comment before I was done typing ..

Thesilentflute.8761:

Those opinions are coming from people that obviously don’t tpvp I do wvw and tpvp a lot 2500+ hours of mostly pvp. Trust me tpvp is skilled game play In wvw commands are list lazly left/right, push through, pull out, and drop the bomb. It doesn’t matter what player is there as long as they can follow these simple commands as the commander is the only real player. There are skirmish groups but very few because most players don’t feel confident enough that they can win with lower number and run in a herd so they are not faced with there own failure, but the commanders since he is the only real player.

About bunkering points if you only play bunker yea your just a babysitter and are no more skilled than a wvwer infact prolly less skilled. As for the rest of the players on the field there combat exp surpasses 90% of wvwers cause they get very little real combat. The 10% is people that yak 24/7 but they are prolly tpvpers anyway lol.

Dont know what type of player you are dealing with in dubveedub, but all the things you list are pretty much my check list I go through mentally on which commanders I wont follow. Maybe you just didnt know what you were doing or what was going on?

Such a strange division that has been created between WvW and S/TPvP… It never really even comes up in WvW, honestly, but it seems to be a hot topic in the S/TPvP area.

Sounds like you’re talking about NYS. They are a formidable in tpvp and i certainly don’t wish to face them, however their WvW performance is less impressive. Im not trying to dis-NYS in any way shape or form except to say the transition from tpvp to WvW is not what the OP has envisioned.

WvWvW is a numbers game. If “all the top tPvP players” made a WvW guild, it would be pretty small compared to many large WvW guilds. Now, if the question was how would this hypothetical guild do in a tier 8 WvW matchup, they’d probably do okay. Guess maybe if you expand the definition of “top players” to “anyone who’s played tPvP more than 5 times in their life” then you’d have a pretty big guild, so maybe it’s all semantics….

In a top tier match they would get destroyed until they learned about siege/countersiege and map control tactics. There are 3 cap points in a PvP map, and 13-21 objectives per WvW map not counting sentry points. Even with smart experienced players there is a learning curve.

I gotta agree about the “Champion X” title players in WvW, for the most part I haven’t noticed them being anything more than average at best. There are exceptions, I’m sure, but I roam a lot and I never find myself thinking “dang, that guy was really good and he had a PvP title, I bet it’s his experience in there which gave him more skill than me”.

Azaruil.3406:

You guys are all so cute. Spvp and WvW players are equally bad. In both, the players will try to get a numbers advantage because they can’t cut it by themselves.

how are people supposed to ‘cut it by themselves’ vs a zerg?

zergs are the predominant group org in WvW, its only natural to fight fire with fire.

lol.

I think they would be great at WvW.

I mean all they do is stand in circles.

WvW is much easier. You don’t have to think about your fight and coordinate with your teammates at the same time. In fact in WvW you don’t have to talk at all, just listen to 1 person 90% of the time.

Only challenge that comes with WvW is fighting in a low fps and non balanced environment.

Benjamin.7893:

WvW is much easier. You don’t have to think about your fight and coordinate with your teammates at the same time. In fact in WvW you don’t have to talk at all, just listen to 1 person 90% of the time.

Only challenge that comes with WvW is fighting in a low fps and non balanced environment.

Or roaming, ninja-capping, scouting/sentrying…..

People saying WvW is ONLY about zerg v zerg are about as credible as people saying tPvP is ONLY about bunkering on points.

Righteous Sen.1053:

Azaruil.3406:

You guys are all so cute. Spvp and WvW players are equally bad. In both, the players will try to get a numbers advantage because they can’t cut it by themselves.

how are people supposed to ‘cut it by themselves’ vs a zerg?

zergs are the predominant group org in WvW, its only natural to fight fire with fire.

lol.

lol its more like fighting stupid with stupid. Tpvpers would run small groups and out cap to win and even though they are better in combat they are smart enough to know they do not need to fight to win against wvwers and their so called “strategy”. Efficiency and the win is top on their list.

Benjamin.7893:

WvW is much easier. You don’t have to think about your fight and coordinate with your teammates at the same time. In fact in WvW you don’t have to talk at all, just listen to 1 person 90% of the time.

Same exact thing could be said about SPvP.

In the more organized fights, you will not be able to cut it with strategies like that. Actually, your entire zerg of 40 will be wiped in literally seconds to a zerg that knows what they are doing.

Someone who just gave a cursory glance towards S/TPvP would likely make the same assumption.. “Its just a bunch of people running around mindlessly, they dont even have to talk!” This isnt even exclusive to any game mode whatsoever, this is a Player Vs. Player thing that exists wherever Player Vs. Player exists. Playing against noobs requires very little effort and organization. Playing against organization takes more effort and organization.

I can only think that a lot of these comments are coming from a background that isnt very familiar with PvP in general, or perhaps, transplants from other games such as CoD or LoL.

That said, I find the generalizations immensely entertaining

Tuluum what server are you on? I have been in T1 so long I am unfamiliar with your tag?

The few times a guild known for tpvp or spvp has come out in wvw, our 5 man absolutely pooped on them. Bunker wars is not skill…its just who can bounce each other out of the circle more. Player vs player is open world combat….sorry but pvp arenas came after open world combat platforms.

Jscull.2514:

The few times a guild known for tpvp or spvp has come out in wvw, our 5 man absolutely pooped on them. Bunker wars is not skill…its just who can bounce each other out of the circle more. Player vs player is open world combat….sorry but pvp arenas came after open world combat platforms.

Spvp has teams not guilds.

It wouldn’t work out as well as you’d think. I mean top spvp players are generally better players so they’d do well overall but spvp builds are not viable in zerg combat. Some might have selfish 1v1 builds others might have bunker holding builds. WvW combat requires lots of large scale group support and when your build focuses on small combat battles you will fall apart in zerg clashes.

Tuluum.9638:

Benjamin.7893:

WvW is much easier. You don’t have to think about your fight and coordinate with your teammates at the same time. In fact in WvW you don’t have to talk at all, just listen to 1 person 90% of the time.

Same exact thing could be said about SPvP.

In the more organized fights, you will not be able to cut it with strategies like that. Actually, your entire zerg of 40 will be wiped in literally seconds to a zerg that knows what they are doing.

Someone who just gave a cursory glance towards S/TPvP would likely make the same assumption.. “Its just a bunch of people running around mindlessly, they dont even have to talk!” This isnt even exclusive to any game mode whatsoever, this is a Player Vs. Player thing that exists wherever Player Vs. Player exists. Playing against noobs requires very little effort and organization. Playing against organization takes more effort and organization.

I can only think that a lot of these comments are coming from a background that isnt very familiar with PvP in general, or perhaps, transplants from other games such as CoD or LoL.

That said, I find the generalizations immensely entertaining

I’m sorry but those are my observations. Whenever I jump in ts and join the guild raids it’s dead silent with 1 person talking most of the time.

Sometimes strategy includes making a 5man group to cap camps, but that’s about it really. When there’s 2 guild raids maybe the occasional organized or split assault, but does any of that really require personal skill? If you say so then okay, I don’t feel like argueing.

No doubt wvw would come out on top, real pvp doesn’t use nor need “PVE” buffs to make their builds work. So in a way it would be pvp vs wvw+PVEbuffs

Skill levels are about the same in my experience. The difference is that the good and bad players are separated (mostly) by the ladder ranking system, where in WvW they share one big map and you run across those guys who would be rated <1k quite often.

A lot of the top tPvP players do WvW (and vice versa) , so it’s not like it’s some alien planet. There are different team strategies and tactics that are necessary to succeed on a given map (gameplay is hugely different even between EB and the BLs), but neither game mode is especially complicated or difficult to understand.

I’ve honestly never seen a tpvp team play wvw. A part from the occasional teldo “wvw” funzies", in fact most guys I know don’t have a character higher than lvl 2.

Righteous Sen.1053:

Azaruil.3406:

You guys are all so cute. Spvp and WvW players are equally bad. In both, the players will try to get a numbers advantage because they can’t cut it by themselves.

how are people supposed to ‘cut it by themselves’ vs a zerg?

zergs are the predominant group org in WvW, its only natural to fight fire with fire.

lol.

You want to try that again?

My post states that in spvp and wvw, most people will try to get the numbers advantage on you instead of beating you with even numbers, as players in both realms are equally bad.

It’s sad how the moderators refuse to deal with troll threads like this, yet they will delete or infract posters over seemingly random and always petty things.

Ken.9018:

Since most of the skillful players are in Heart of the Mists, imagine all the hardcore tpvp players decided to form a WvWvW guild, since they are the REAL pvp players, I wonder how awesome the guild would be in WvWvW

They’d get rolled. WvW favors numbers heavily. Its a fact that has been proven again and again by the rankings.

T1 SEA time zone you will meet us a small group(4-7) of PvP R40+ with Legendaries roaming around the boarderland while the main zerg is on the other side of the map

I think WvW is slowing turning into PvP, which is not good!