Guild Wars 2

Because new/casual players feel too weak, please also, feel free to remove ascended items from WvW because I don’t want to farm it and I feel like 10/20% weak.

urieldhynne.2743:

Because new/casual players feel too weak, please also, feel free to remove ascended items from WvW because I don’t want to farm it and I feel like 10/20% weak.

WvW players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? psh who cares!

PvE players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? we better fix that!!!

sephiroth.4217:

urieldhynne.2743:

Because new/casual players feel too weak, please also, feel free to remove ascended items from WvW because I don’t want to farm it and I feel like 10/20% weak.

WvW players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? psh who cares!

PvE players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? we better fix that!!!

On the money

Assassin X.8573:

sephiroth.4217:

urieldhynne.2743:

Because new/casual players feel too weak, please also, feel free to remove ascended items from WvW because I don’t want to farm it and I feel like 10/20% weak.

WvW players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? psh who cares!

PvE players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? we better fix that!!!

On the money

As against those lame buffs as I am this is a very “on the money” comment.

Remove these lame buffs and increase decent loot from WvW. It’s just pathetic right now.

sephiroth.4217:

urieldhynne.2743:

Because new/casual players feel too weak, please also, feel free to remove ascended items from WvW because I don’t want to farm it and I feel like 10/20% weak.

WvW players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? psh who cares!

PvE players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? we better fix that!!!

While I agree with your comment, I don’t think that was their reasoning for removing it.

MightyMicah.7451:

sephiroth.4217:

urieldhynne.2743:

Because new/casual players feel too weak, please also, feel free to remove ascended items from WvW because I don’t want to farm it and I feel like 10/20% weak.

WvW players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? psh who cares!

PvE players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? we better fix that!!!

While I agree with your comment, I don’t think that was their reasoning for removing it.

The reason is the new expansion. They are waiting new players in the game because the hype, or really old players coming back. They are tweaking the WvW to those players.

This is unfair for who played WvW for long time and is happy to say “I spent 300 WvW ranks to carry 5+ supplies” or “I have all the WvW rank buff”. But is ok. There are no (non-ridiculous farming) titles, no skins, no stat bonus, no good loot. Nothing for the WvW player.

Even the WvW only gets delete post in the forum, when PvE player have all the devs attention.

Now they want to remove the ranks buff for a fair play? Is ok. So remove the BUFF for those who farm an ascended or legendary, you can keep the cosmetic.

I HAVE NO TIME (or I don’t want to) to farm an ascended, the same some players have no time to get WvW ranks.

Again, WvW players always lose here.

The only difference is that you can buy item to craft ascended very fast using the trading post and you can’t for wvw ranks. So if a new player wants have ascended armor he can always buy gems convert to gold and get everything from the TP. If he wants wvw ranks he is forced to grind.

For me the best solution would be sell a wvw rank pack with gems instead of making the rank abilities useless.

urieldhynne.2743:

I HAVE NO TIME (or I don’t want to) to farm an ascended, the same some players have no time to get WvW ranks.

I’ve got a bunch of ascended gear. Full armor, trinkets, most of my weapons.

I’m a 95% WvW/SPvP player. Most of this stuff was acquired in the past four months, since it’d been away from the game for a while. The only “farming” I really did was converting karma to linen.

So, yeah, it’s work, but it’s within your reach. Which is basically the situation for PvE players crafting ascended gear as well. Sure, they can probably farm it up faster but you can get ascended gear just through regular play.

(And, no, when I say WvW I don’t include EotM.)

Why do people even want the Applied buffs? Since everyone except newbies have them, removing them does nothing, since it applies to everyone, except newbies. They only make it easier for people to kill newbies. Why would you want to make it easier to kill newbies? Why would you need more of an advantage against newbies?

Grinding for ascended weapons and armor is not time-efficient anyway. Do some overtime at work, buy some gems and buy mats to craft armor, its easy and more efficient use of your time. Exotic is perfectly viable in any case.

sephiroth.4217:

urieldhynne.2743:

Because new/casual players feel too weak, please also, feel free to remove ascended items from WvW because I don’t want to farm it and I feel like 10/20% weak.

WvW players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? psh who cares!

PvE players can’t be bothered farming a game mode they dislike to be stronger? we better fix that!!!

I don’t see how it has anything to do with PvE vs WvW. To me it’s more about making a WvW mastery line less of a must-take and returning at least some minor even footing to roaming.

xDudisx.5914:

For me the best solution would be sell a wvw rank pack with gems instead of making the rank abilities useless.

It’s not making the points spent in that line useless, though. It’s still going to be useful for what it was probably originally intended for: roaming and flipping camps. It’s just going to be less useful for zergs.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Why do people even want the Applied buffs? Since everyone except newbies have them, removing them does nothing, since it applies to everyone, except newbies. They only make it easier for people to kill newbies. Why would you want to make it easier to kill newbies? Why would you need more of an advantage against newbies?

Because that’s what make people feel powerful, of course. Same reason “roamers” in WvW go 3v1 and womit “omg you suck cant kill anything go home!” only to run away when its 3v2.

I will certainly miss that extra HP my zerker thief/ele love so much but I am glad they will remove applied strenght/fortitude.

It requires no gold investment to get those traits, unlike crafting asc, you get ranks just by standing somewhere in wvw. You lose nothing when the buffs are gone.

Most importantly, the buffs are quite significant, especially fortitude on low HP classes.

xDudisx.5914:

The only difference is that you can buy item to craft ascended very fast using the trading post and you can’t for wvw ranks. So if a new player wants have ascended armor he can always buy gems convert to gold and get everything from the TP. If he wants wvw ranks he is forced to grind.

For me the best solution would be sell a wvw rank pack with gems instead of making the rank abilities useless.

So… Pay to win?

Wow. Never bought www experience pots and now I know I’ve always done right

urieldhynne.2743:

This is unfair for who played WvW for long time […]

While I understand your disappointment. This is still a computer game with a prizing model that hugely profits from new purchases of the game. So well, they will focus on getting more ppl into GW2 than keeping all the old players content…

Jayden Ennok.3687:

It requires no gold investment to get those traits,

Gold = Time, one way or another. And to get gold you can spend time farming dungeons or orr or champions, whatever. The masteries essentially cost time as well.

The argument still stands. Time spend in PvE gets you a statistical advantage in WvW over those who have not spend this time.
Similarly time spend in WvW gets you a statistical advantage over those whe have not spend this time.

One is okay, infact a wvw dev came out and fully endorsed it citing “not to want to invalidate people’s time spend”. Yet the other is now considered not okay, and it’s okay to invalidate peoples time spend.

I am okay with the removal of the Applied-buffs, but there should also be a nerf to ascended gear then.

Terrahero.9358:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

It requires no gold investment to get those traits,

Gold = Time, one way or another. And to get gold you can spend time farming dungeons or orr or champions, whatever. The masteries essentially cost time as well.

The argument still stands. Time spend in PvE gets you a statistical advantage in WvW over those who have not spend this time.
Similarly time spend in WvW gets you a statistical advantage over those whe have not spend this time.

One is okay, infact a wvw dev came out and fully endorsed it citing “not to want to invalidate people’s time spend”. Yet the other is now considered not okay, and it’s okay to invalidate peoples time spend.

I am okay with the removal of the Applied-buffs, but there should also be a nerf to ascended gear then.

This is probably going to be very hard for you to swallow but the flaw in your logic is the assertion that both parties (if they can even truly exist), WvW’rs and PvE’rs stand mutually exclusive in their game modes and “aren’t equal”. I say this as a hardcore WvWr, the reality is that we’re all just players with (relative) equal opportunity to achieve and obtain the same things as one another. Even if there are various ways of going about doing something, currently everyone has the same access to all content in the game. What you choose to and not to do with your time is on you. If you want to go a short or long route, that’s on you. If you don’t want to farm fractals in favor of more time spent in wvw, that’s on you. Simple fact, hard to grasp apparently.

The idea that “WvW peeps worked hard for their guard stacks” is kinda bunk given that EotM exists and players who farm it to death gain WvW ranks faster than a lot of folks actually fighting in the Mists.

And, let’s face it, guard stacks are also the most selfish WvW trait lines. As much as I love the extra ~3k hp and 100 power, if this forces more pugs to actually pick up abilities like supply mastery or AC mastery, it’ll be a net improvement.

Jim Hunter.6821:

xDudisx.5914:

The only difference is that you can buy item to craft ascended very fast using the trading post and you can’t for wvw ranks. So if a new player wants have ascended armor he can always buy gems convert to gold and get everything from the TP. If he wants wvw ranks he is forced to grind.

For me the best solution would be sell a wvw rank pack with gems instead of making the rank abilities useless.

So… Pay to win?

More like pay for convenience, because you can still grind them. The extra stats from wvw ranks are not much different from crafting ascended armor. The only real difference is that you can obtain ascended using the TP (you can’t buy the complete item but you can buy all the pieces and craft yourself) but you cannot obtain the wvw ranks using the TP.

I really don’t care about Anet removing WvW rank buff, but I hate the hypocrisy and the “WvW player always loses in this game”.

They are always adding thing nobody ask for, like EoTM, and I have ZERO expectation in the new WvW content in the upcoming expansion.

I remember only 1 thing and is commanders tags colors, took more than a year and we had to fight the price at the end….

urieldhynne.2743:

I really don’t care about Anet removing WvW rank buff, but I hate the hypocrisy and the “WvW player always loses in this game”.

They are always adding thing nobody ask for, like EoTM, and I have ZERO expectation in the new WvW content in the upcoming expansion.

I remember only 1 thing and is commanders tags colors, took more than a year and we had to fight the price at the end….

Your only reasoning is that what you perceive as loss on your side, should be distributed to other players by nerfing rewards from content they play.

That’s reasoning out of spite.

Btw, even though wvw could do with improved rewards, the loot is still there and believe it or not, many wvwers crafted their asc from stuff they got in wvw. And you want my gear nerfed so you feel better. Hypocrite.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Terrahero.9358:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

It requires no gold investment to get those traits,

Gold = Time, one way or another. And to get gold you can spend time farming dungeons or orr or champions, whatever. The masteries essentially cost time as well.

The argument still stands. Time spend in PvE gets you a statistical advantage in WvW over those who have not spend this time.
Similarly time spend in WvW gets you a statistical advantage over those whe have not spend this time.

One is okay, infact a wvw dev came out and fully endorsed it citing “not to want to invalidate people’s time spend”. Yet the other is now considered not okay, and it’s okay to invalidate peoples time spend.

I am okay with the removal of the Applied-buffs, but there should also be a nerf to ascended gear then.

This is probably going to be very hard for you to swallow but the flat in your logic is the assertion that both parties (if they can even truly exist), WvW’rs and PvE’rs stand mutually exclusive in their game modes and “aren’t equal”. I say this as a hardcore WvWr, the reality is that we’re all just players with (relative) equal opportunity to achieve and obtain the same things as one another. Even if there are various ways of going about doing something, currently everyone has the same access to all content in the game. What you choose to and not to do with your time is on you. If you want to go a short or long route, that’s on you. If you don’t want to farm fractals in favor of more time spent in wvw, that’s on you. Simple fact, hard to grasp apparently.

That is not a “flat(?)” in my argument. Also i never said that these are mutually exclusive, so i dont know where you got that idea from.
Your little post does not form a counter-argument because it doesn’t even touch what i actually posted.

It’s like you just wanted to rant on this subject and jumped on the first post that had certain key words in it. But you didn’t do a very good job because your post is so utterly vague, i can’t even tell what your opinion on this topic is. Is it that you support the idea that only PvE should get you an advantage in WvW?

urieldhynne.2743:

This is unfair for who played WvW for long time and is happy to say “I spent 300 WvW ranks to carry 5+ supplies” or “I have all the WvW rank buff”. But is ok. There are no (non-ridiculous farming) titles, no skins, no stat bonus, no good loot. Nothing for the WvW player.

I am a WvW player, and I have unlocked those guard stacks. Yet I think they are ridiculous, and I am glad they are being removed.

Aren’t you tired of being forced to kill dumb NPCs when you respawn, just to feel useful again? That’s PvE! WvW players have been complaining about ascended when it came out, and yet ascended armor gives 5% more power, while Applied Fortitude can add 15% to your HP! When you lose to someone with guard stacks when yours are not up, you always wonder what could have happened. Enough of that! Skill-based combat is better than stat-based combat.

If you are incapable of beating a new WvW player without your guard stacks, it is a player skill issue. I like GW2 because there is no gear treadmill. Those guard stacks were a stats treadmill and I am glad they will be gone soon.

Terrahero.9358:

I am okay with the removal of the Applied-buffs, but there should also be a nerf to ascended gear then.

I don’t know about you, but most of my ascended gear comes from WvW. I got my accessories from the seasons, my amulets and rings from the WvW laurel merchant, and my weapons and armor pieces from random drops in rank chests (I’ve gotten a few rings and weapons from pvp as well). WvW is actually the fastest way to obtain ascended trinkets.

As of the armor and weapons, the stats they give are ridiculously small compared to Applied Fortitude. If you do want them however, they are not PvE related in anyway: you can craft in your home BL. WvW rewards are not that great unfortunately, but good enough to get you enough gold to afford these items.

Two Words:

Ascended Downscaling

Loboling.5293:

Two Words:

Ascended Downscaling

Too late for that. The grind crowd would riot.

urieldhynne.2743:

I HAVE NO TIME (or I don’t want to) to farm an ascended, the same some players have no time to get WvW ranks.

According to your post history, you have talked about having full Ascended gear. Maybe you forgot… or maybe you’re just here to stir up trouble and troll. I hope I have helped clear up this little miscommunication.

To be perfectly honest, getting rid of these two buffs is dumb. I have 2 accounts, one is rank 900+ with the buffs which is nice for min/maxing my builds, the other is rank 100+ I’m just shy of getting my first buff.

On my account without the buffs I do just fine, they are nice to have but they aren’t game breaking by any stretch of the imagination. The two buffs do not make players good or skilled, I view them as an achievement/quality of life buff that makes builds a bit easier to work with. My character without them functions just fine, its not very often I find someone who has the buffs that can insta gib me, more times then not I win the fight without them.

New players need to earn these buffs, I think it is completely reasonable to view it this way. Do you just get handed a full set of gear once you hit 80 because your 80 now ? No you don’t, sure it’s not overly difficult to get the gear but really the buffs are not overly difficult to get either.

They are pretty much the only worth while WvW skills to take aside from the supply skills and repair skills. If you want to hug siege all day then you don’t need these buffs and can dump those point into what ever your flavor of siege may be.

I mean seriously if we are just out to make everything easy mode for everyone so we are all on the same playing field, give me a full set of ascended for my new account, take levels out of fractals because I should be able to start at the highest level so its fair, basically why make us work for anything ?

No ascended gear and maxed fortitude and strength long ago
That said, Fortitude and Strength are not needed
Its a chore farming mobs for them

Random.4691:

I mean seriously if we are just out to make everything easy mode for everyone so we are all on the same playing field

I don’t how you got that having your buffs removed was “easy mode”. It just balances the game mode a bit more. Don’t you prefer winning a fight being SURE that you won because of your superior skill and not because you farmed five apathetic NPCs five minutes before? Well I do, I and I will be relieved when these buffs are gone. Ever since I got them, they have been a nuisance more than anything.

basically why make us work for anything ?

Work to get better and to win fights relying on your personal skill.

I don’t understand why people are against less grind in what’s supposed to be a pvp mode. Fight players, not the clock.

Coldtart.4785:

I don’t understand why people are against less grind in what’s supposed to be a pvp mode. Fight players, not the clock.

Some players like it, and it’s possible the changes will promote fighting the clock… sadly.