Guild Wars 2

They are gonna close this because of these T1 players. Sigh

Natronix.9827:

They are gonna close this because randomneverbeenonbgbutbelieveeverythingpostedaboutthem players keep talking crap about BG. Sigh

Fixed that for you.

It’s not just BG, T1 in general making this a kittening match up thread. Make us a favor, and leave. Ty

I’m not sure of this, but isn’t there a cap on the number of players in WvWvW? For instance, a maximum of 450 players between the three servers (as an example), can be playing at one time. However, that maximum of 450 players is not divided equally between the servers. So one server could have 200 people, while server 2 has 150 people… leaving 100 for the remaining server. If this is in fact true, then that is a huge issue right there… Someone please tell me this is not the case. I would love to be wrong on this.

Ever since January 23, it seems that Fort Aspenwood (FA) has lost a number of peeps. And since we don’t have much of a SEA presence, I’m guessing we lost mostly NA peeps. So I think we are going to drop a tier or even two unless we get some SEA presence. We still have a decent NA presence but we can REALLY use some SEA love!! We still have a few decent commanders and the “elitist” attitude isn’t too bad.

I’m not complaining about the lack of fights or anything, but if you’re in any way trying to masquerade your transfers (preemptive stacking in time for Season 2?) as valiant intentions to balance Tier 1 to Tier 3, don’t bother. That said, enjoy the fights and 24/7 coverage with OCX pvdoor cherries on top.

FragFire.7023:

Ever since January 23, it seems that Fort Aspenwood (FA) has lost a number of peeps. And since we don’t have much of a SEA presence, I’m guessing we lost mostly NA peeps. So I think we are going to drop a tier or even two unless we get some SEA presence. We still have a decent NA presence but we can REALLY use some SEA love!! We still have a few decent commanders and the “elitist” attitude isn’t too bad.

That’s desperate recruiting right there, lol. There is no way FA is dropping a tier though. You still have more coverage than SBI, Mag and Yak. Also, you still have the population to come in first this week.

Usagi.4835:

I’m not complaining about the lack of fights or anything, but if you’re in any way trying to masquerade your transfers (preemptive stacking in time for Season 2?) as valiant intentions to balance kitten, don’t bother.

God forbid anyone here gets the crazy idea that maybe the transfers weren’t because of any active recruiting on the server’s part but rather because of friends already on the server who made a good case for the move here when they heard we were in need of relocation.

Then again, conspiracy theories are always a nice way to come up with a convenient answer. Pinning any individual as a grand mastermind behind all of this is unrealistic and ignorant of the intentions of the guilds that moved here. One guild initially decided to move, and players who have been playing with eachother for almost a year and a half decided to stick together. We like each other, that’s all there is to it. If there’s anyone to blame for the transfer to SoS rather than another server, it’s a certain Bob De Niro, and I can guarantee his mind was more on getting his friends to join him than any preemptive Season 2 stacking.

This is for the EBay transfers. I can’t speak for [All] the rest (haha, see what I did there?).

Next week is step 1 in wvw balancing. Don’t be surprised if red -green – blue eventually replaces server versus server versus server…

Hey guys let’s stack offhours to we can “win”.

ROFL.

It’s a game, people need to sleep, if you like fighting doors and get your jimmies off it, more power to you.

Congrats you wins the internetz.

All hail SOS, the new 7-Eleven and heroes of WvW balance.

Yes, SEA guilds please consider FA, ( what happened to UA and your OCX?)

There was never any conspiracy afoot on SoS (I almost think we should be flattered that you think we’re all evil geniuses holed up in a volcano lair). We’d been trying to recruit more SEA and NA for about 10 months now.
The only guild that we knew would be coming was ONE (it was between us and TC I guess).
Next thing we know we get 2 SEA groups and then most of EBay came over.

TC Is distinguishing itself well right now. They are hounding the bloodlust to try and keep up with stomps and are fighting hard. They are a well-matched adversary for us and with better coordination we’d be evenly matched.

As for EotM, that’s going to send things all wonky. Maguuma will camp the heck out of it and will drop down.

We’re also understandably nervous about Sanctum of “we don’t ppt” getting too enamored of the new map and bad things happening.

Chris.3290:

Yes, SEA guilds please consider FA, ( what happened to UA and your OCX?)

From what I’ve heard uA’s members are now in either Sern or Meow.
And since all (or most) of SBI’s sea are thinking of leaving, might as well go to FA and balance out T2. SUPR already went to EU though.

Did they? I played with SUPR this morning so idk…

+1
T2 is the best at its current state. OS is full of guilds willing to gvg everday. Its perfect for guilds that run around 15-25. We fight even matches in open field. If guilds are planning on moving to T2 please speak with the server before kittening this up. I dont want to be in queue.

T1 = balanced..
All the baddies grouped together.. makes people below a happy bunch..

Oi, Luvpie, I’m sure we all appreciate your stated intentions, but, T2 wise, the thread has devolved from the very beginning into the commonly perpetuated myths. You’re welcome to put me right, I’ll try to address T2 balance in general in a couple of posts, sticking to facts.
The framing your friend Chris is attempting seems a good starting point.

TC has the population but they have a lot of PvX and their internal coordination is pitiful at the moment.
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TC Is distinguishing itself well right now. They are hounding the bloodlust to try and keep up with stomps and are fighting hard. They are a well-matched adversary for us and with better coordination we’d be evenly matched.

Hmm, you are talking about the only T2 World that was capable of coordinated overtime and day-long pushes, resulting in the only successful comebacks in Tier 2 since Season 1. All Worlds have room from improvement, but to state TC’s problem is coordination, by comparison with SoS and FA, is a genuinely droll thing to say.

TC’s main problems are now being outnumbered player for player and overwhelmed guild for guild by the other T2 Worlds. Just before Season 1 began, it lost a large SEA guild (WvW) to JQ and a medium NA guild (ZN) to BG. During the first two weeks of Season 1, it lost 3 medium to large guilds, 2 NA and the only medium Oceanic it had: EP to SoS, RoT to SBI and KH to Maguuma. It has since lost a medium zerg-busting team to SBI, namely EXS. There were a few other, less prominent transfers. TC has only 2 (two) NA guilds consistently fielding over 15 players on all Borderlands outside Reset, and those are STUN (20-35) and NOPE (15-25?). CERN is usually pinned in EBG, given its offshoots and its members supplementing the numbers of the other WvW guilds outside Reset, there’s only so much it can do. The rest are nowadays small to medium havoc groups whose commanders gather up the militia during emergencies. Latest CERN off-shoot, EU, is now struggling to gather the numbers to counter FA’s larger EU population. Oceanic is tiny, with the small havoc run by MoM gathering the few militia online to repel the huge SoS Oceanic PvDoor. SEA is somewhat better, with small to medium guilds (~15) like ZzZz, Awe, INVC and FIST doing their best to hold EBG and hunt the much larger SoS SEA map-hopping zergs.

EDIT: In case it escapes anyone, this was Coverage: State of Tarnished Coast

Luvpie.8350:

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Question: Why is SOS asking for balancing when they themselves are recruiting more guilds from T1 and doing what they are pretending to want balance? Does it really work as planned?

As to Fort Aspenwood needing to be propped up:

FA has some great skill groups, but they need to make sure that they can translate that into battlefield success so they don’t become T2’s SoR or Maguuma. (They are very coordinated right now so I don’t think that’s going to happen.)
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We have close to balance in T2 (FA needs a nudge more).
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Yes, SEA guilds please consider FA.

Look, Chris, I understand that it is beneficial for SoS to prevent organized groups from transferring to TC by misdirecting them towards FA. Thus I will let the readers decide how many guilds must that World swallow before FA’s impotent community can overcome its lack of coordination and resilience to finally dominate T2. FA porked out on large chunks of the Silver League during Season 1. According to its own players, it then had 4 guilds transfer and 3 guilds return during the last week of the season as well. Since, a constant stream of people and guilds continued to further consolidate them, culminating in SoR’s FEAR and RETribution coming on board, two really good guilds which can hold a Borderland on their own. FA had by far the largest NA in T2 until last week, its inability to capitalize on it speaks volumes. During EU, their BOMB map-hopping zerg, often augmented by quite a few HOPE members, secures the time zone, while Meow, GWAM and so on allow them to stay in second place during Oceanic, just below SoS. This is the well-coordinated World that needs more transfers? O.o

Of course SoS is the World that lucks out and is unintentionally making the most out of the situation. Its very, very large OCX builds its Borderlands to T3 while PvDing everything else to paper, its very large SEA holds on to it while continuing the map-hopping in search of PvD, it’s EU gets a pass because FA’s BOMB&HOPE map-hoppers logically choose to stay away from PvDing its T3 Keeps and focus TC’s paper ones. Add the old, beautiful & bitter TC-FA arch-rivalry across all time zones, and the above was enough to ensure they would always have a real chance at being number two in this match-up – and they were. Last week, of course, they received an influx of medium to large to very large NA guilds from all over the place to complete the process that began when EP left TC to come help their NA. What’s the tally of medium to large (15-40+) NA guilds on SoS now? EP, CNB, Rx, REND, EPIC, Fang, DIE, One, All, GH, ZoD etc. etc. etc. The reason SoS is still struggling to defeat TC is not population or guilds however, it is precisely the lack of coordination and open-field know-how you are trying to accuse us of.

EDIT: And this was Coverage: State of Fort Aspenwood and Sea of Sorrows.

We’re fond of the SoS community, love fighting them, we welcome their ambition to win these match-ups, but stop condescending and distorting the issues. TC was always a comparatively gracious and polite World with its adversaries, the sort of spin you are trying now is in poor taste.

So what’s happening to FA? We’re preparing for Season Two?
Bad organization? What organization? There are no people on our map o any BLs.

I would expect Chris, who supposedly keeps tabs on most servers more than most since he fondly drops by to give us all weather updates on every server, to know a bit better than to try and be disingenuous by stating TC is a perfect match for SOS in its current state.

OCX/SEA hard counters NA coverage so by stacking all of your timezones, you are turning yourself into a 24hr server. So much for wanting balance in Tier 2. You don’t want balance. You want to win, which is understandable. Just don’t pretend you’re doing the rest of us a favour.

Hard to respect Dalloway’s analysis when he launches into an anti-FA tirade and talks about large SEA (coming from someone who should remember DB and saw T1 during the season).

FA has some great guild groups but is now hurting in off-hours. The statement that they have good EU is utter tripe too. FA is EST front-loaded for NA. A fact that works against them in late NA.

TC did lose most of it’s best Zerg-busting groups, with STUN and NAGA carrying most of the load even while the server continued to eke out victories due to good SEA and better EU ( both advantages neutralized by SoS’s even SEa and now decent EU).
However they just got FUNK and MU who look like they are ready to pick up some of that slack.

Don’t forget that we had a bigger lead at this point last week (just before everyone started transferring over); so I fail to see how TC’s situation is suddenly so dire (unless you have commanders and guilds stretching themselves thin with ultra long play times; we all have heard that CERN is known for staying up late)

How is it hard to respect his argument? You didn’t even address any of his points. It was all fact-based. Hard to respect because of his anti-FA tirade or because it doesn’t suit your agenda? I suppose it’s easier to twist the focus of discussion onto how Dalloway is being so very anti-FA.

And fail to see how TC’s situation is so dire? Of course you don’t. Ironically, for all you spout and all the times you dropped by into matchup threads to give us all updates and made up statistics/facts about what everyone’s servers were like, you’re completely stumped here. Because guess what? You’re not on TC. You’re on SOS.

Utter tripe? FA does have a sizeable EU force or did you somehow fail to notice BOMB or CL? You’re not on this server so stop telling us what the situation is like.

Are you going to actually address anything that was brought up or just dance around it because you have no answers?

Usagi.4835:

I would expect Chris, who supposedly keeps tabs on most servers more than most since he fondly drops by to give us all weather updates on every server, to know a bit better than to try and be disingenuous by stating TC is a perfect match for SOS in its current state.

OCX/SEA hard counters NA coverage so by stacking all of your timezones, you are turning yourself into a 24hr server. So much for wanting balance in Tier 2. You don’t want balance. You want to win, which is understandable. Just don’t pretend you’re doing the rest of us a favour.

We definitely do not want to stack anymore. We’d like to see FA in a better position and see Maguuma get their “unicorn” OCX/SEA coverage.

We’re already worried at what effect EotM will have on existing matchups so it’s not in our interest to just crush T2; nor would that provide good quality matches for us.

Right, and what about the rest? FA has the guilds but they’re sitting around doing god knows what, unless all those new transfers upped and left or aren’t bothering. So sure they might need some OCX presence but I don’t see you looking to try and fill out TC’s timeslots.

You just talk about how TC can tap into a huge overall server population and use that as a reason to try and argue that TC is fine, but as we all know overall server population isn’t really a determinant factor as to how that server might perform in WvW.

Moreover, a large chunk of that overall server population are casuals/PvX who aren’t particularly invested in WvW like the guilds transferring to your server and others are.

There is no good SEA. It’s not consistent like, let’s say, your OCX population because it’s dependent on whether or not a certain guild shows up which half the time they don’t because of real-life commitments.

Usagi.4835:

How is it hard to respect his argument? You didn’t even address any of his points. It was all fact-based. Hard to respect because of his anti-FA tirade or because it doesn’t suit your agenda?

And fail to see how TC’s situation is so dire? Of course you don’t. Ironically, for all you spout and all the times you dropped by into matchup threads to give us all updates about what everyone’s servers were like, you’re completely stumped here. Because guess what? You’re not on TC. You’re on SOS.

Utter tripe? FA does have a sizeable EU force or did you somehow fail to notice BOMB or CL? You’re not on this server so stop telling us what the situation is like.

Are you going to actually address anything that was brought up or just dance around it because you have no answers?

From people who were recently on TC and people currently there, they speak of horrible coordination between guilds. TC still has great numbers and good coverage, it appears only the cohesion is missing. That has probably more to do with your skill groups leaving than you care to admit in public.
TC is indeed much smaller than it was in their “T1.5” days. The fact that we match or outnumber you in every time-zone is also not in contention. Which is why we have this thread, to discourage a bandwagon effect to SoS and/or to create a mirror of T1 with the top two in this tier starting an out of control arms race.

I scoff at the FA EU comments because TC heavily dominated EU until very early NA, until we got ZoD and messed with the math.

Let’s address the number one problem facing TC and wrapping both points together. The almost ancient rivalry with FA is now dragging you down. The hostility shown towards the idea of FA gaining numbers is not helping either. With their gains from FEAR and IoJ, a large number FA don’t get the rivalry. They were focusing you the last few weeks because you were leading.
Yet now, you guys are permanently bivouacked on their BL, perpetuating the rivalry and making things easier for SoS; while you complain about coverage differences.

ITT: SoS and TC arguing over another server who probably doesn’t give a rats kitten about this thread.

There is no hostility towards the idea of FA gaining numbers. Regardless of whether or not TC heavily dominated EU, it wouldn’t change the fact that FA does have a good/sizeable EU force. And ZoD’s arrival changed nothing, TC has been on what’s essentially a downward slide, shedding guilds and players but not gaining any to compensate.

Go check the ppt incomes on Mos for this matchup for each server and compare, then come and tell me that TC is a perfect opponent for SOS.

Here’s a thought, Chris:

Most players do not post, but hundreds of potential transfers use these threads to get an idea before scouting a World, if they even scout it, thinking they’ll just read between the lines to get to the truth. And that’s not viable when faced with this disinformation. It’s something that you have frankly always done. So for once, with your good intentions for balancing Tier 2 in hand, why don’t you stop speaking for other servers, telling people what every server that you’re not on is like and let them speak for themselves.

Chris usually speaks the truth by actually doing research on x server and talking to commanders from it, while most people sugar coat their advertisements.

You speak like TC is completely unable to compete anymore, but it seems your server really does has it good share of fairweathers like one would expect from a militia heavy server

bottom line: (some) sos is worried they might accidentaly slip into t1 but is also totally unwilling to “give away” (were it possible) part of their oceanic which actually directly and indirectly is the backbone of sos ppt.
Ironically the people that are trying to influence this are talking about timezones they don`t (rarely) play in and unclear definitions of balance (mos ppt tells you nothing about the gameplay on the map).

Please stop talking about FA as though its guilds all operate under the framework of focusing on PPT, score, or winning matches. We don’t care much for that. We would, however, be happy to GvG.

Thanks.

I’m still waiting for DB coming up to T1. I still see those flame trolls on the forums promising DB coming to T1 and JQ (or SoR) going down.

I think I have to wait a long time..

so funny people talking about other servers
in FA we dont give a kitten… keep stacking, we like it

If we cared about ppt, we wouldn’t have left JQ over a year ago, much less SoR.
Best of luck in T1 SoS, better you than me.

Not at all Natronix, please do not misunderstand. TC is very much able to compete, the match-ups show it.

Now, and there’s a bit of inherent sarcasm here, do not confuse TC with SBI in terms of fairweathers, the vastly different results of both Worlds tell the story. We have our own, as any other World, but nowadays probably less than the rest of T2 and T3, aside from Maguuma. You haven’t ever seen TC give up yet and we have the backbone to not use this excuse, so overused by worlds like SoR and SBI; no matter what you think of TC posters, you haven’t seen any of them write that it’s pointless to fight for it and the World never went through the meltdowns SBI, FA or SoR suffered. You can’t argue about facts, that is, things which are actually one way or the other.

FA has some great guild groups but is now hurting in off-hours. The statement that they have good EU is utter tripe too.
I scoff at the FA EU comments because TC heavily dominated EU until very early NA, until we got ZoD and messed with the math.
Let’s address the number one problem facing TC and wrapping both points together. The almost ancient rivalry with FA is now dragging you down. The hostility shown towards the idea of FA gaining numbers is not helping either. With their gains from FEAR and IoJ, a large number FA don’t get the rivalry. They were focusing you the last few weeks because you were leading.
Yet now, you guys are permanently bivouacked on their BL, perpetuating the rivalry and making things easier for SoS; while you complain about coverage differences.

As a chap who is actually on during EU, I can tell you for certain that the BOMB & HOPE map zerg showed up every evening on TCBL after 8:05 UCT, like clockwork. Until and including the January 11-18 match-up, they would cause FA to tick higher than TC in EU, paper everything that could be papered and prepare FA for NA. This can be easily fact-checked. During the January 18-25 match-up, EU consolidated itself as a guild and was then able to counter FA EU during the first days of last week; moreover, BOMB largely gave up on its EU prime time at the end of January, and that’s according to its own leaders.
As to why we have turned their Borderlands Red in the past few days, it’s not by choice. According to your own statements, FA has a long tradition of playing for second; I think you’d agree this to be even more so when TC is their direct rival for that spot, so, for now, we cannot simply engage STUN & NOPE during the whole NA in breaking the 3 fully sieged T3 Keeps on your Borderlands, gifted to you by your off-hour population, while ticking below 200, especially knowing they will be back to T3 status as soon as we go to sleep. That would simply allow FA to consolidate its Borderlands to T3 as well, while our Keeps, papered by SoS Oceanic and SEA, would remain the only playground for easy PPT. Having FA double team SoS just for TC to win the match-up is not likely for now, no matter the on-paper assessments of armchair strategists the world over.

TC is indeed much smaller than it was in their “T1.5” days. The fact that we match or outnumber you in every time-zone is also not in contention.

Good, thank you Chris, so we do agree that TC is the underdog and is actually keeping up neck-in-neck with SoS with fewer players and even while having to deal with a generally more hostile third World, FA. That’s all I wanted you lot to admit, we enjoy these match-ups very much, but the attitude some of you chaps adopt is a disappointment.
There were no complaints, I merely engaged in a rebuttal of your ‘anti-TC tirades’, to paraphrase you, tirades which I quoted in my first two posts in this thread, where you were attempting to pass for a fact that TC’s reason for losing ground in front of SoS is the lack of coordination of its superior numbers. I am glad you now refuted that malicious statement.
There arises the question as to why SoS cannot distance itself from this poorly coordinated TC when it matches or outnumbers TC in all time-zones, as per your own post.

Perhaps one day you’ll gather the honesty to admit that, by comparison with Sea of Sorrows, there’s nothing less right about Tarnished Coast and that your World has no advantage over us in terms of coordination and skill-level; after all, everything points in the opposite direction right now.

I hate to be a stick in the mud, But you’re never going to balance the servers to be even like this…Having a Ranking system in a gameplay mode with uneven numbers is always going to lead to higher population servers generally being higher rank..Esp in games where Numbers are often given the largest advantage with little cons to having them.

Someone did state though what will probably happen in the future, I posted it 3 month’s ago… They’re gearing up to combine servers into “teams” for matchups to try and solve some of the issues you guys are talking about, This is why Edge of the Mists had to be made…Not the whole China Excuse.

They’re going to Merge the servers for WvW purposes, Why this isn’t evident to everyone i don’t know.

Dalloway.9853:

stuff

I now know what kind of server TC is. That’s not a good thing.

Terravos.4059:

I hate to be a stick in the mud, But you’re never going to balance the servers to be even like this…Having a Ranking system in a gameplay mode with uneven numbers is always going to lead to higher population servers generally being higher rank..Esp in games where Numbers are often given the largest advantage with little cons to having them.

Someone did state though what will probably happen in the future, I posted it 3 month’s ago… They’re gearing up to combine servers into “teams” for matchups to try and solve some of the issues you guys are talking about, This is why Edge of the Mists had to be made…Not the whole China Excuse.

They’re going to Merge the servers for WvW purposes, Why this isn’t evident to everyone i don’t know.

As in 1 eb for the entire game? Surely you jest.
I think it isn’t evident because it’s improbable. People pay gems to transfer, that’s much more valuable to Anet and NCsoft than a few people whining about scores.

I think if anything they might reduce map populations to the point they don’t have server lag.. Which would also help stacking issues.

Dalloway.9853:

There arises the question as to why SoS cannot distance itself from this poorly coordinated TC when it matches or outnumbers TC in all time-zones, as per your own post.

Because when we tick +300ppt, TC is ticking +225. That’s only 300 points an hour and TC’s unfettered love affair with bloodlust is well-documented.

I’m going to be blunt here. TC’s fair weathers are off doing PvE, and SoS now has defensive numbers that make your daily glom rushes fail. This allows us to go to TCBL in numbers and attack multiple targets, making your PuG based defenses fail even harder, which makes your fair weathers disappear.

This is starting to get embarrassing for TC. The first loss of your T2 dominance in 10 months and suddenly you lose your minds.

Lol. This thread is kittened. Usagi & Dalloway in “damsel in distress mode” for portraying TC (‘Former’ T1.5) as underdog. Both of you seem offended that misinformation is given in the thread about TC/FA. So here goes.

Reason for this thread was getting T2/3 balanced so T2/T3 are closer together and we have some variety & we don’t get locked in a perma threesome with FA’s great NA guilds who don’t have coverage and TC’s STUN (20-30)/CERN/NAGA (15-20)/NOPE/MC(20-25)/FUNK/zZzzZ(15-20) & rest of TC’s PvX/militia. Is TC short in NA in terms of organized guilds… Maybe. How short maybe 1-2 guilds to replace ZN, RoT, EP during NA.

Will SoS mind if TC got NA guilds? kitten no. It would beat hopping borderlands to find STUN/Zzz or NAGA/FUNK/MC on maps to look for fights instead of sup acs.

Is FA the underdog of T3 in terms of coverage. Yes. What do they need? Talk to FA. They are 16 k down after two days. While ppt doesn’t equal coverage it usually is a good indicator of numbers.

Servers were supposed to paint a accurate picture of what their servers need and then target those areas with recruitment. Would people post about other servers’ population and guilds to misinform the forums or purely make assumptions?. Yes. Should you care? kitten no. If a guild doesn’t transfer to TC without talking to you and purely makes the decision on what they read on forums then you are better off. So stop acting like SoS has wronged you. RP a little and get over it.

I only know about NA guilds & population since that is what I play so let me paint SoS’s picture.

Before transfers
SoS : CNB (15-20 max) Rx (15-20) EK (10-15) DIE (15-20) Fang (10-15) Rend (10-15) EPIC (10-15) EP (15-20) Sorry if I missed you
New transfers (average raid numbers during peak NA)
All (One 20-25) GH (20-25), ZoD (20-25) Sorry if I missed you

Before NA transfer we weren’t able to consistently play on more then 2 maps and had to float during NA which you have to do during EU/Ocx. Now our NA can play on 3 maps. Also SoS has militia pool MUCH smaller then TC/FA since we lost ALL of WvW guilds in mass T1 exodus. So SoS needed the NA and other then [one]. GH/ZoD(EB guilds) came on their own without solicitation because we were right fit and had friends of theirs on server. Now SoS is in a good state where it is. We have a bigger militia for off hours to defend against TC’s EU karma blob (ex: 2 weeks ago match). Guilds will work to work communication/training and we will fight as we have always done even when outmanned in 2/4 borderlands during NA primetime. SoS as a server is not recruiting anymore. We don’t want queues and would rather be the underdog then ‘default’ winner.

As everything does with forums this thread has turned into pointing fingers about intentions/evil schemes. This was expected and people should have ignored the PvF warriors. But here we are.

Chris.3290:

Dalloway.9853:

There arises the question as to why SoS cannot distance itself from this poorly coordinated TC when it matches or outnumbers TC in all time-zones, as per your own post.

Because when we tick +300ppt, TC is ticking +225. That’s only 300 points an hour and TC’s unfettered love affair with bloodlust is well-documented.

I’m going to be blunt here. TC’s fair weathers are off doing PvE, and SoS now has defensive numbers that make your daily glom rushes fail. This allows us to go to TCBL in numbers and attack multiple targets, making your PuG based defenses fail even harder, which makes your fair weathers disappear.

This is starting to get embarrassing for TC. The first loss of your T2 dominance in 10 months and suddenly you lose your minds.

FA beat TC one month ago… so yeah.. not the first in 10 months

From someone else point of view. Fa seems to tank a lot. SoS is the new bandwagon server that wants to beat tc and take sor’s place in T1 and tc is probably outnumbered a lot by the new guilds.
Also looks like SoS is buying people.

The reason FA (my server) can manage to get all these guilds and still be third and seemingly out of this match up is 3 fold:

1. Our Ocx took a hit: UA from my understanding is dead and what’s left has merged with others like SERN and MEOW. NV also went through a merger then collapse with CORE when they came over. From what I’ve seen they’re still not the same guild they were (and CORE is dead dead). The success of NV was the backbone of our strong ocx. As others have mentioned we are strong early NA through prime but that late NA transition into OCX is really bad pretty much only a couple guilds left that run in that time (HOPE, SIC, WS) we lost a really great IMO underestimated guild to guess who TC (TUNE). I miss my sweet ums especially when they smash my little asuran head in
So long story short from the end our only potentially dominate PPT timezone is early to prime NA. The rest is competitive at best from an FA standpoint.

2. BOMB no longer runs daily EU raids so we have almost no organized force outside DPS then. When you have almost no SEA and EU that’s a huge gap when the other servers have a decent amount of people on. It’s important to consider what guilds we did get transfer wise. Some really great guilds like FEAR and RETR, BUT and here’s the kicker, they all pretty much play at the same time early NA through prime. Even go back to the pre seaon 1 new guilds and they are almost ALL NA. FEAR, RETR, CORE, FTF, PVP, TFS, ATK, GLOB and guilds that came back or reformed RAM and GODS these are ALL NA guilds. Only non-NA that’s here and not during leagues is DPS and they are an FA guild that came back.

3. Server culture: I know people will say not this “we only play for fights” talk again but this server really does not PPT. If it makes you feel better we are just PPT baddies. Almost never see anything upgraded, Almost never siege anything, many of us will not stop fighting to save anything we just let it go and try to recap it later, map chat is basically for trolling not for calling stuff out, Most of “skill groups” play enemy BLs for fights not any sort of map control or upgrading of our BL, etc., etc. It’s how we get all the good guilds to come here though. No one HAS to PPT or is expected to. In fact the few PPTers left are trolled to no end. Guilds can do what they want, and this server is currently positioned for the best fights to be had. T2 is the best place for guilds groups to get a good challenge but not blodded and not get crap by PPT try-hards. Our server culture is what allows us to turn it on and off anytime we want basically. We have a huge talent pool that if motivated (like for example is there was a chance we could drop to T3 for an extended amount of time) i believe could even in it’s current capacity compete with both the other T2 servers. We just don’t give a kitten about PPT as long as we keep getting fights and can play with like minded people. SOS has not broken T2 and i believe would still get roflstomped in kitten just mad cause the aren’t the clear PPT big dogs anymore in T2. Though i will agree current TC is far from its T1.5 past.

All right, this is getting a bit too serious, fact which in itself contains tragicomic elements.
Luvpie, first of all, let me apologize for the way my comments seem to have inflated spirits, please put it on my lack of forum ‘experience’, so to speak. I do sometimes read the forums, but I have never posted before. I may also employ words or expressions which are more straightforward without recognizing all the implications those have for native English speakers, I am Romanian and, obviously, this is not my native language.
Second of all, and the thing which should’ve been the preamble to my initial post: congratulations on winning the January 25 – February 01 match-up to you and Sea of Sorrows, you won it fair and square! As I actually wrote in the second part of my first post, we’re glad to see SoS in shipshape.

Obviously, I understand that, given the common thread derailments and accusations you speak of, my main points seemed, not to put too fine a point on it, a pretext to you, and I suppose this is why you jumped straight to what you thought was my pet peeve. But I ask you to read below, as I will try to better explain the issue I saw.

Servers were supposed to paint a accurate picture of what their servers need and then target those areas with recruitment. Would people post about other servers’ population and guilds to misinform the forums or purely make assumptions?. Yes. Should you care? kitten no.
Is FA the underdog of T3 in terms of coverage. Yes. What do they need? Talk to FA.

See, that’s the thing right there, you didn’t talk solely about SoS and asked the ‘servers’, i.e. TC and FA, to speak for themselves, you wrote a topic where you gave your own assessments as to where those Worlds are and made recommendations as to where guilds looking to transfer should be headed. And then, of course, there was Chris, who, without dallying, jumped at the opportunity to describe how TC is only stopped from winning the match-up by its “pitiful” lack of coordination. Nevermind his sartorial proclivities in tailoring a ‘researched’ coverage for T1 and T2 and T3. So, I now gather you are confirming that he is seeking to misinform ‘the forums’, as you stated in the quote above.

You mention that we care too much about what’s being said here, though you two were the ones who said it. Please, put yourself in our shoes for just a bit. TC’s posters do not initiate these debates. Yet now, a thread appears, a thread which you started, where transfer recommendations are made by SoS players, recommendations which directly affect TC and half of the NA Worlds. And yet, you’re writing above that we shouldn’t care enough to even post our opinions on the recommendations currently made by you and Chris for all the Worlds involved, nor should we seek to correct what has been said about our realm by you and Chris O.o

This cognitive dissonance would not pass for a fair-minded answer anywhere, though I honestly believe you are sincerely trying to be unbiased.

EDIT: A very good post by Super Kruegs, I agree with it almost entirely, aside from the allegation that we’re upset about not being on top of T2. A pity I cannot link to a few of my older posts on the TC World forums where I openly stated it will be great for us to be the underdogs of this tier. The ruckus on this page was caused solely by what I perceived to be intentionally misleading information concerning TC’s WvW community and I again apologize for coming off as brusque.

Chris.3290:

Because when we tick +300ppt, TC is ticking +225. That’s only 300 points an hour and TC’s unfettered love affair with bloodlust is well-documented.

I’m going to be blunt here. TC’s fair weathers are off doing PvE, and SoS now has defensive numbers that make your daily glom rushes fail. This allows us to go to TCBL in numbers and attack multiple targets, making your PuG based defenses fail even harder, which makes your fair weathers disappear.

This is starting to get embarrassing for TC. The first loss of your T2 dominance in 10 months and suddenly you lose your minds.

That’s a lot of words just to explain that SoS is winning because of coverage.

No one is losing their minds. People can have a different opinion other than yours. You like to talk about TC all the time anyway, I thought you would be enjoying this more

Why is it that every time a server stacks up, there has to be a preemptive thread from one of the transfers justifying their move as some plan to better the entire WvW experience? If the Ehmry Bay guilds wanted to improve WvW they would’ve stayed on their server, not collapse it to stack on the server with the best OCX coverage outside of T1.

Luvpie.8350:

Will SoS mind if TC got NA guilds? kitten no. It would beat hopping borderlands to find STUN/Zzz or NAGA/FUNK/MC on maps to look for fights instead of sup acs.

I know this might come as a shock to you, but you’d get better fights from both FA and TC if you didn’t have the entire server stacked into a map hopping blob.

Luvpie.8350:

RP a little and get over it.

Hurr. You funny.

Boonprot.6274:

Also, to whoever said that BP needs a few 40+ man guilds to xfer, that’s probably the saddest statement I’ve ever seen. Nothing in your tier rolls that deep and, if they do, you can wipe them with 1/3 of their numbers. I promise; we’ve done it before.

Statement was made in the context of servers stating what they could use to be more competetive in higher tiers.
Also, uh, plenty of guilds in my tier do “roll that deep”. Sure we wipe them, but thats because theyre undisciplined. What happens when we run into a large skill group, or a 70 man karma train? Gonna need more numbers.

Just wait, when we get to Tier 3, then suddenly all FA will start playing again, like always.

FA loves easy match ups and usually gives up on tougher ones.

I honestly think ZoD, DIE, GH etc left ehmry bay to get away from dragonbrand. You would never see those guide in wvw unless you hit their borderlands. Those guilds basically did nothing for eBay just keep it in T4.

Terravos.4059:

Someone did state though what will probably happen in the future, I posted it 3 month’s ago… They’re gearing up to combine servers into “teams” for matchups to try and solve some of the issues you guys are talking about, This is why Edge of the Mists had to be made…Not the whole China Excuse.

They’re going to Merge the servers for WvW purposes, Why this isn’t evident to everyone i don’t know.

I dunno if they’ll go that far immediately but I don’t think there’s any doubt that EOTM is a test for that functionality.

Dalloway.9853:

All right, this is getting a bit too serious, fact which in itself contains tragicomic elements.
Luvpie, first of all, let me apologize for the way my comments seem to have inflated spirits, please put it on my lack of forum ‘experience’, so to speak. I do sometimes read the forums, but I have never posted before. I may also employ words or expressions which are more straightforward without recognizing all the implications those have for native English speakers, I am Romanian and, obviously, this is not my native language.
Second of all, and the thing which should’ve been the preamble to my initial post: congratulations on winning the January 25 – February 01 match-up to you and Sea of Sorrows, you won it fair and square! As I actually wrote in the second part of my first post, we’re glad to see SoS in shipshape.

Obviously, I understand that, given the common thread derailments and accusations you speak of, my main points seemed, not to put too fine a point on it, a pretext to you, and I suppose this is why you jumped straight to what you thought was my pet peeve. But I ask you to read below, as I will try to better explain the issue I saw.

Servers were supposed to paint a accurate picture of what their servers need and then target those areas with recruitment. Would people post about other servers’ population and guilds to misinform the forums or purely make assumptions?. Yes. Should you care? kitten no.
Is FA the underdog of T3 in terms of coverage. Yes. What do they need? Talk to FA.

See, that’s the thing right there, you didn’t talk solely about SoS and asked the ‘servers’, i.e. TC and FA, to speak for themselves, you wrote a topic where you gave your own assessments as to where those Worlds are and made recommendations as to where guilds looking to transfer should be headed. And then, of course, there was Chris, who, without dallying, jumped at the opportunity to describe how TC is only stopped from winning the match-up by its “pitiful” lack of coordination. Nevermind his sartorial proclivities in tailoring a ‘researched’ coverage for T1 and T2 and T3. So, I now gather you are confirming that he is seeking to misinform ‘the forums’, as you stated in the quote above.

You mention that we care too much about what’s being said here, though you two were the ones who said it. Please, put yourself in our shoes for just a bit. TC’s posters do not initiate these debates. Yet now, a thread appears, a thread which you started, where transfer recommendations are made by SoS players, recommendations which directly affect TC and half of the NA Worlds. And yet, you’re writing above that we shouldn’t care enough to even post our opinions on the recommendations currently made by you and Chris for all the Worlds involved, nor should we seek to correct what has been said about our realm by you and Chris O.o

This cognitive dissonance would not pass for a fair-minded answer anywhere, though I honestly believe you are sincerely trying to be unbiased.

EDIT: A very good post by Super Kruegs, I agree with it almost entirely, aside from the allegation that we’re upset about not being on top of T2. A pity I cannot link to a few of my older posts on the TC World forums where I openly stated it will be great for us to be the underdogs of this tier. The ruckus on this page was caused solely by what I perceived to be intentionally misleading information concerning TC’s WvW community and I again apologize for coming off as brusque.

Enough of this smoke/mirror kitten. From my posts I painted a picture of TC/FA as you mentioned in the original post states this about TC/FA…

*T2 is pretty balanced right now with FA/TC/SoS with only 17k difference between 1st and 3rd. If you looking to balance T2 Please talk to FA/TC before transferring there! *

That is all that was said about T2 servers by me or anyone from SoS (except Chris). Outside of this Mag has been asking for Ocx to compliment their NA and DB needs NA which everyone knows. Those are my recommendations. From there you and usagi went on a tirade about SoS’s malicious intentions to harm TC’s recruitment & half of NA worlds? I honestly could give a rats kitten about who goes to what server and why (especially our opponents). This was a misguided attempt to offer suggestions to servers looking to transfer in NA since SoS was being approached by couple guilds after the EB transfers.

As for Chris’ comments. Please don’t bunch my posts and his. He is known PvF warrior with free time at work/home. You and Chris please keep at it!

My new recommendation: TC needs help in NA/EU/Ocx/SEA. Honestly this server needs everything. There you go. Hope everyone transfers to TC now