Guild Wars 2

Well Maguuma, I’ll call you guys a “Zerg server” now, but honestly youre one of the like 2 servers I respected from previous fights since you guys usually had some organized guild groups in wvwvw. whenever i fougt CD or dragonbrand noone really stood out to me, but your server always had some good players that did.

But now youre just a zerg server! SO HAH! !!!!1!1!1111!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS jesus what a zerg server you are now haha. i dont recognize any of the guilds. At least things should settle once xfers cost money i guess

saiyr.3071:

Did YB lose any guilds due to the recent announcement?

No we did not Saiyr, We Gained two 30 man NA prime guilds [MF] and [HELL]. We are happy to have them as they seem to fit in so far. It’s just you guys, Maguuma Gained a butt load, Yaks will keep fighting. But, Maguuma has T2 plus population now. Like I said we are not complaining. I hope that the Transfers stay with you and don’t just bail next week on you guys and you get a good team going. We YAKS have always told you guys that we can only field 2 1/2 maps. You never listened…you just shouted Zerg server. We now that you have more…well now you (Maguuma) know….

As I said, Fight well guys, Yaks will keep plugging and still be here next week having fun and playing as a team.

Honnor.6295:

You never listened…you just shouted Zerg server. We now that you have more…well now you (Maguuma) know….

You all still play like a zerg server. Especially [CL].

Too bad we got a bunch of fairweather idiots and we can queue up all 4 maps on reset. Too bad we aren’t going to get stomped before transfers close because I want these people to gtfo.

I think IoJ is heading all the way down to bottom tier. Hopefully we’ll find some balanced matchups there. I’m sad about all the great guilds that left us, but as they leave we go down, and as we go down more leave.

I fee sad for those still on IoJ. It sucks to be in your situation. I hope you guys can bounce back as we would have love to actually fight you fair and square.

Two weeks away and I forgot how much I hated Yak’s Bend. The numbers might not be there anymore, but the mentality hasn’t changed a bit. Still the most unpleasant zerg server I’ve ever had the misfortune of being matched against.

dreztina.4820:

Two weeks away and I forgot how much I hated Yak’s Bend. The numbers might not be there anymore, but the mentality hasn’t changed a bit. Still the most unpleasant zerg server I’ve ever had the misfortune of being matched against.

uhhh? haha ok…. clearly we are the zerg server, our bad

dreztina.4820:

Two weeks away and I forgot how much I hated Yak’s Bend. The numbers might not be there anymore, but the mentality hasn’t changed a bit. Still the most unpleasant zerg server I’ve ever had the misfortune of being matched against.

Hahahaha… I think you need to look in the mirror!

juicifruitz.6251:

saiyr.3071:

Ordibble.3092:

saiyr.3071:

Did YB lose any guilds due to the recent announcement?

I wouldn’t know but I think whatever is up is more generic than just WvW. PvE was so deserted I thought everyone had left and forgot to tell me. But isn’t it a holiday weekend in the US?

It’s a holiday weekend, but I’ve never really known people to do much for it. But I dunno.

YB did lose 2 prominant guilds before last reset in FOO back to Blackgate and DARK who jumped ship to Dragonbrand (of all places), this week we got 1 guild from TC.

Apparently people don’t like our server name and that’s what stops them from coming lol

You’d think that “ermegerd gewnz” would be more of a deterrent…huh. Never put much thought into server names, myself. Sucks that those guys left, I remember seeing a lot of DARK tags.

CrassBippy.4619:

Well Maguuma, I’ll call you guys a “Zerg server” now, but honestly youre one of the like 2 servers I respected from previous fights since you guys usually had some organized guild groups in wvwvw. whenever i fougt CD or dragonbrand noone really stood out to me, but your server always had some good players that did.

But now youre just a zerg server! SO HAH! !!!!1!1!1111!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am rubber, you are glue. Boing fwip!

Honnor.6295:

saiyr.3071:

Did YB lose any guilds due to the recent announcement?

No we did not Saiyr, We Gained two 30 man NA prime guilds [MF] and [HELL]. We are happy to have them as they seem to fit in so far. It’s just you guys, Maguuma Gained a butt load, Yaks will keep fighting. But, Maguuma has T2 plus population now. Like I said we are not complaining. I hope that the Transfers stay with you and don’t just bail next week on you guys and you get a good team going. We YAKS have always told you guys that we can only field 2 1/2 maps. You never listened…you just shouted Zerg server. We now that you have more…well now you (Maguuma) know….

As I said, Fight well guys, Yaks will keep plugging and still be here next week having fun and playing as a team.

I don’t think we really have a T2 pop…definitely not at night. And I definitely hope the mega-bandwagon-omgineedthispoi people don’t stay with us. I am very much okay with staying in this tier and having non-stressful, decent matches, with a decent community.

Xavi.6591:

I fee sad for those still on IoJ. It sucks to be in your situation. I hope you guys can bounce back as we would have love to actually fight you fair and square.

We used to be regularly T2 and even had popped into T1 at one pt (though I wasn’t on that week) if I heard correctly. Now I’m just waiting to see how far we’ll slide.

Isaac.6041:

SkyShroud.2865:

so, why did the guilds left IOJ? dont tell me they left cus they lost? thats kinda like losers

That’s exactly what happened.

Well come Jan 28th with the changes to transfers, everyone wants to move to good servers. It’s a rush to get out places like IoJ at the moment.

Of course at least I won’t have a wait to get into WvW!

dreztina.4820:

Great, for once you don’t outnumber your opponents, congratulations. Doesn’t change the fact that YB has the most unbreakable herd mentality I have encountered in this game. There are zero roamers. Zero solos. Anyone by themselves is running to the zerg, and if you try to fight them, the zerg will come to them. If you start a 1v1 with someone from YB, by the end you’ll still be solo, but there will be swords on the map.

Now, I’m sure some kitten will say ‘oh well lrn 2 wvw,’ but it has nothing to do with wvw, because that same zerg will drop what they are doing and ignore all objectives to chase said solo from one end of the map to the other.

I don’t know how one server ended up so completely zerg minded, but YB could be the lowest pop server in the game and they’d still make sure they never fought a fight where they didn’t have a numbers advantage.

For reference, I bolded and underlined parts that from a solo yaker perspective (well, more half and half, it really varies) that I feel are incorrect or are correct and we are still in the process of disciplining ourselves not to do.

Look, the prospect of WvWvW was entire guilds or pugs coming together on a server to face off against other servers for dominance in relatively large-scale maps. Fights break out everywhere on multiple fronts, from the lowly supply yak escort to castle raids on many sides. If a server wasn’t coming together to make these large armies which are just about required to take a huge objective like a keep or stonemist, then as sad as it is, the combined efforts of the server are thrown out of whack and there is no rhyme or reason to anything, just constant fighting that in the end, loses potential buffs for the server (Oh no not that extra wood from the node!).

I think I might have divulged a bit from what I was getting at. Ahem, as you have pointed out, we have a lot of zergs merging and diverging, pugs and guildmates alike are moving across the map in a coordinated fashion for the most part. This is good and bad, that ‘Herd-Mentality’ you speak so little of probably reminds me of the instances where even commanders can’t control the zergs to hit up an objective that could secure us the lead (hence mindless zerg fights in front of Lowlands Camp). But, what is so great, yes great, about our server is that as we grow in size steadily, the players do get taught slowly about our strategies, about running supplies to certain zergs, about what to hit up next and so on. So, when you say that first couple of lines there about the zerg helping out roamers and soloers, I say ‘GOOD’ because that player could be the commander bringing an omega golem print to another location, Time is literally points and having him ganked is another couple of minutes wasted.

And as a solo yaker I end up doing escort or defense duty a lot. I admit, we might ever so slightly, I mean SLIGHTLY, lack the majority of the small groups roaming at all times. We have a couple dedicated folks doing camp flipping or reinforcement killing but not as many as other servers from what I can tell. What I can tell you is that our strategies worked for the most part, it has gotten us to T3 with around the numbers we have right now. I cannot really consider ‘Herd Mentality’ a bad thing.

The only bad thing, as you have said, was the ‘Chase the Elementalist with 20+ people’ argument. THAT…is still being kinked out, I swear watching that myself is like watching a dog chase a hotdog attached to a trendmill, except the dog is actually doing something productive like losing weight.

And lastly, this is important. The whole numbers advantage, I hear it all the time, it gets tiring so I will let you in on a little secret.

…We are not nearly as big as you would think. The most common tactic we use in a stale mate fight, even IF the other guys have 10 or so more than we do, is a strong front line push, I am not talking about slowly killing I am talking myself, a hammer buddy or two and maybe an elementalist almost within a time-frame rushing into the middle of the other zerg and breaking the back line. It is surprising what happens when rangers or necromancers or mesmers back up, cause the front-line does to, and people get downed when retreating. I would probably go down too but at that point like an avalanche suddenly we start rendering to the other side, and they notice their numbers drop sharply.

What happens then? Do it enough times entire servers get the impression we have a hell of a lot more than we do. And then someone brings it to the forums. It is an endless cycle, and I doubt what I have said will end it.

Anyways, man, I was serious for a bit there, how about a haiku?

The Blue Pangloss Camp,
Just how many ballistas?
…Hail Ballista God.

- Jornosh, Only Survivor of Ballista God

May I have a haiku that summarizes everything you just said?

So how did Yaks get in IoJ East Keep?

WARNING: LONG POST

~points to dilz~

GuardianOMS.8067:

May I have a haiku that summarizes everything you just said?

I’m from Yak’s Bend zzzz
Our zergs have tactics, I swear.
We have the small pop!

Yak’s Bend loves zerging
Despite what they claim to be
Also, ballistas

GuardianOMS.8067:

May I have a haiku that summarizes everything you just said?

Hmm….

Friday only night,
Yak’s bend has queue every map.
Why think we so big?

Ngh…wish I could do multiple haikus…

But just off the top of my head for that one, not too shabby.

Mazergma hates you
Go back to your butt server
Mumble is my home

MeamYee.9635:

GuardianOMS.8067:

May I have a haiku that summarizes everything you just said?

I’m from Yak’s Bend zzzz
Our zergs have tactics, I swear.
We have the small pop!

And now we must have a debate whether ‘zzzz’ is more than one syllable, I mean you do kinda have to keep the sound going in which it repeats itself-

Kyrime.6958:

Yak’s Bend loves zerging
Despite what they claim to be
Also, ballistas

I feel some sort of irony here, if anything I would take that conjecture more seriously from IoJ…whom I must say I feel for you guys, sorry about whatever might have happened to cause the events. I really hope you can recover ;_;

Oh, and I am so stealing that last line, because now I believe every argument should end with ‘Also Ballistas’.

AKASHOTGUNNOBLITZ.

~Read in the voice of Yak’s to Mag~

What you say is dumb
Because you are a zerg too
But we’re not a zerg

As the only member from my guild that post on the forms I would just like to say that last nights assault on Yaks BL was a coordinated effort of many of mags finest guilds. Yes we got transfers the guilds where listed above, but that does not take away from what Mag is or strives to be.

Maguuma strives to be finest zerg server!!!!!!!

This last two weeks feel like going to the in-laws. You know you’re related but there’s this uneasy strangeness to it.

Mortalitas.9710:

As the only member from my guild that post on the forms I would just like to say that last nights assault on Yaks BL was a coordinated effort of many of mags finest guilds. Yes we got transfers the guilds where listed above, but that does not take away from what Mag is or strives to be.

I don’t diminish the skill levels of the guilds of any server unless I specifically say it, I, and others know of Magumma’s top guilds and just how good they are. My only complaint bar anything else is the still ongoing belief that Yak’s Bend has godly amounts of players everywhere at once. The irony of this is that our wish is to in fact have such amounts, and sadly once paid transfers have set in, the recruitment for everyone will sharply diminish. With that said however I am not as bitter as I make myself out to be, rather we Yaks have gotten along fairly well when dealing with higher population servers. To that end I won’t stop fighting, and neither should anyone else.

Let’s roast, blungeon, cut up, impale, annilate, and decimate each other to our heart’s content! Fight on Yaks, Magumma and Isle of Janthir!

It is not nice to gain entry into a keep through illegitimate means. I know it’s easy points, but please don’t do that to us for the third time.

Best,

It’s kind of funny, Yaks strive to have “godly amounts of players” – but Maguuma doesn’t want zergy transfers at all, yet Maguuma is the one that ends up with truly ridiculous numbers.

Kyrime.6958:

It’s kind of funny, Yaks strive to have “godly amounts of players” – but Maguuma doesn’t want zergy transfers at all, yet Maguuma is the one that ends up with truly ridiculous numbers.

Cream, you’re a thief, not a warrior.

I have counted 8-10 new guilds in WvW that I have found and have no idea where the kittenkittenkittendogcat they came from. Be it a 3man guild or 30man guild. (This is not including SM or WaR)

I just met someone who sat on a flame ram for 4minutes and could not figure out how to use it.

All my wats

ViperWire.4261:

I have counted 8-10 new guilds in WvW that I have found and have no idea where the kittenkittenkittendogcat they came from. Be it a 3man guild or 30man guild. (This is not including SM or WaR)

I just met someone who sat on a flame ram for 4minutes and could not figure out how to use it.

All my wats

Should’ve told him that he needed to disengage and bow to the ram first :o

ViperWire.4261:

I have counted 8-10 new guilds in WvW that I have found and have no idea where the kittenkittenkittendogcat they came from. Be it a 3man guild or 30man guild. (This is not including SM or WaR)

I just met someone who sat on a flame ram for 4minutes and could not figure out how to use it.

All my wats

Welcome to Mazergma. May I take your coat?

I just tried to join Yak’s BL. There is a queue at 2:10 p.m. PST.

We definitely should be careful about demoralizing Yak’s and IOJ ourselves. We saw how that went with DR and BP. Transfers up the wazoo.

this is how we should play this.. wait until friday reset, completely give up everything for 3 days.

get absolutely dominated against CD AND DB in T3. start playing again on monday after transferes are paid.

I guess we made legion public lol , in that case maguuma is coming together as u said before. TTK and GOA are gateways for players of all skill levels to be trained and geared up for world vs world. We believe and want smaller guilds to take part of our guilds so we continue to bring maguuma together. Our guilds come to a BL and do serious damage because we play as a team with everyone. This is part of the reason of maguuma lead. Not because we had 2 new guilds join us . Yes we understand that some of the servers have lost members but is the hard effort of both legion and the public mumble that we are doing so good this tier. Great job everyone , keep it up and let’s not get chocky.

Dear BP, DR and all other servers! Please come pick up your recent transfers to our server. If they are not picked up within 24 hours we will have to publicly execute one every 30 minutes at Garrison in Mag BL. Thank you for your time:)

BTW IOJ and anyone else about taking about our numbers today IOJ has had more numbers and we have won. I was holding their BL earlier today till I got hungry lol , never the less maguuma was undermanned for a while and came on top . I also think that’s a key element of what been going on with our players is that fact we didn’t have the numbers for so long.

uflyandy.6392:

I guess we made legion public lol , in that case maguuma is coming together as u said before. TTK and GOA are gateways for players of all skill levels to be trained and geared up for world vs world. We believe and want smaller guilds to take part of our guilds so we continue to bring maguuma together. Our guilds come to a BL and do serious damage because we play as a team with everyone. This is part of the reason of maguuma lead. Not because we had 2 new guilds join us . Yes we understand that some of the servers have lost members but is the hard effort of both legion and the public mumble that we are doing so good this tier. Great job everyone , keep it up and let’s not get chocky.

i understand and appreciate when your guild has done. you train baddies good wvw habits and general tactical knowledge. this is great, however this only lets you run in zergs effectively.

the one thing many players lack in general is how to handle themselves in small scale fights, i’ve seen so many people just refuse to engage a small fight, and run to the nearest zerg instead. doing this means those players can’t carry their own weight in the zerg, and leads to situations where zergs of 20 are kited, choked and eventually wiped by 6-7 more skillful players.

i dont really know how to get the new players to not suck, but always running in zergs isn’t going to help them get better.

I was counting on it being a close fight(albeit still with us losing) with Yaks this week, and I thought IoJ would actually come out strong(I didn’t know about the situation in these two servers, apologies).

Imagine my surprise when Maguuma is winning by a mile. This has never quite happened before since I joined Maguuma about a month ago, and frankly, the situation is worrying. As some of the Mag regulars have said, we don’t want the zerg transfers here, because when that happens, people start to do weird, stupid things.

Last week, one of the commanders(who may well be reading this) came calling for help containing BP because a lot of us went over to help out with DR borderlands which we had some trouble in, and he was really taken aback by the actions of two of them.

Apparently, while we were gone, there were 2 guys who wanted to get the NE tower, and the commander complied as the other points were under Mag control. They started PvD-ing the tower with 4 people, and when that was done and over with, these 2 players went in to get the PoI, and said “Thanks guys, I am done.” and logged off, leaving the other 2(including the commander) behind, without even killing the tower lord. What followed was a few good-willed BP defenders who finally responded to the crosses(after actually dealing with the NW tower if i remember correctly), and that was the end of that particular group.

I hope things really stabilize once paid transfers come in, as I enjoy playing with all the guilds that make Mag what it is, and I would hate to see even just one of them transferring due to the “bads” or just wanting to get out of the zergs.

uflyandy.6392:

…keep it up and let’s not get chocky.

Do the ram god and bunzy come in chocky flavour? If so, I’ll take two of each.

So what’s all this about Maguuma being a T2 pop server now? I dunno about that. This matchup seems more like a 1v1 to me, Yak’s aren’t as strong as they once were either IMO. Fort Aspenwood is eager to meet Maguuma 2.0 though, FA <3 Maguuma long time.
Fond memories..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdUrt1P7IU

About small team movement that’s GOA next plan to have small Zerg busting units. Train out more skilled players, to tell you the truth I hate Zergs. Only reason I do it at times is because we don’t have enough commanders in the battle field. It’s back to the basics , support , combo fields so on so on. A way to learn is in dungeons get the basics there and then start in world vs world. Great guilds that did this at one point was AoN, I think the alliance and maguuma should work together and keep training our more advance players about small teams till we get the general gamer in the picture. World vs world will keep changing as as we play more skilled servers we will learn and change the way we play. Never the less all guilds should continue and try to always keep the communication going.

zastari.1730:

Honnor.6295:

You never listened…you just shouted Zerg server. We now that you have more…well now you (Maguuma) know….

You all still play like a zerg server. Especially [CL].

Too bad we got a bunch of fairweather idiots and we can queue up all 4 maps on reset. Too bad we aren’t going to get stomped before transfers close because I want these people to gtfo.

We appreciate all that [CL] does for us. They all like to play together and get things done together.

Maniac.5163:

So what’s all this about Maguuma being a T2 pop server now? I dunno about that. This matchup seems more like a 1v1 to me, Yak’s aren’t as strong as they once were either IMO. Fort Aspenwood is eager to meet Maguuma 2.0 though, FA <3 Maguuma long time.
Fond memories..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdUrt1P7IU

Who knows…

We definitely grew in the recent weeks. But hard to tell exactly by how much. And it looks like we will be meeting CD and DB next week if things remain the same. So FA n Maguuma rubbing moobs together won’t happen again

Kyrime.6958:

It’s kind of funny, Yaks strive to have “godly amounts of players” – but Maguuma doesn’t want zergy transfers at all, yet Maguuma is the one that ends up with truly ridiculous numbers.

I don’t recall us striving to have “godly amounts of players” Maybe some want that, but that is not what most of our server wants. We want more people for better coverage overall and having more in general would be nice. I can’t speak for all of yaks but much of it does not want tier 1 or 2 population. What we really want is more good solid players overall for better coverage. We currently have quite a few good solid players and guilds, but we just don’t have the coverage and numbers for a sustained stay in tier 3 which I believe is our ideal placement. Had some of the most fun fighting servers like FA, CD, and TC(I know TC is not tier 3 anymore but we fought them in tier 3). I hope we get what we want without getting too many people.

Zerg server is one where everyone on each map travels in one big karma train zerg with a 1 dimensional strategy that expects to win because it has bigger guns and no one is willing or able to think for themselves. Right? Right so basically Crystal… or… nvm.

I’m not worred about Maguuma becoming a zerg server. At worst, we’ll go through a few lame matches going up till we meet higher competition in the higher tiers that will wash away anyone who doesn’t belong. Then we’ll have a few difficult matches going back down until we’re left with the same core, plus maybe a few more who have become Maguu-men (and women).

Kyrime.6958:

It’s kind of funny, Yaks strive to have “godly amounts of players” – but Maguuma doesn’t want zergy transfers at all, yet Maguuma is the one that ends up with truly ridiculous numbers.

Wouldn’t want ‘godly amounts of people’ at all. Servers lose all identity and just become mercenary camps. Same thing that happened to SoR and Blackgate after we played them seems to have now happened to Mag. Of course those two servers are way above us in tiers, so if that’s where you want to go, I guess that is what has to happen, but I wouldn’t want to be them. Bunch of bandwagoners filling them up.

6+3=9 yellow bananas and all

The difference between Mag’s zerg and Yak’s zerg is that Maguuma built a community based on discipline, coordination and skill PRIOR to having superior numbers. Yaks has actively recruited anyone that will transfer since transfers existed.

Maguuma is the one and only server to not actively recruit and have instead built a community that revolves around talent and have pulled in transfers because people want a high quality WVW experience. Every other server in every other tier has no quality control and just wants numbers.

That’s what separates Maguuma from literally every other server in the game. Yeah we have superior numbers now but we got them from in game skill, not forum hording players.